The elephant in the room that no one seems to notice is Israel. Do you really
think the Jews are going to let Iran get a nuke that might be used against them?
The leader of Iran Akma(whatever) has said that the destruction of Israel is on
his "to do" list. Even if you an American don't believe him, could
you take the chance if you were living in Israel? Question is, what will the
U.S. position be regarding a strike on Iran by Israel? That's what the
candidates should be asked.
The only one speaking sense at the debate were Huntsman and Ron Paul!I find it absolutely disturbing how much Mormon culture supports war under any
circumstance. These wars are not what Christianity calls a "just war."
Never has a preemptive strike or preemptive war ever been justified! The Bible,
Book of Mormon only speak of war when the enemies are at the gates and Iran
isn't at the gates. Please understand this! "Blessed are the
peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God". There will always be wars that are never justified nor ethical, but desiring
and pursuing peace in the midst of war will never be considered a vice.
Even if Iran had a nuclear weapon, they have no missiles capable of reaching the
United States.Even if Iran somehow got a missile that could reach
the US... we have laser armed 747s designed specifically for shooting down high
altitude missiles.Though I honestly believe Israel would step in and
knock out Iran's nuclear program before they could build a weapon... Iran is a
much larger threat to Israel than they are to the US.
I think we need to put the whole iran thing into perspective. What would it
really mean if an enemy had a nuclear bomb and used it against the united
states. If Iran were able to create nuclear weapons and actually bomb the US,
the US would retaliate on such a scale that there would effectively be no Iran.
We have enough nuclear power to obliderate any country that did something like
this. These countries know this, and hopefully aren't stupid enough, for all our
sakes, not to test us on it.
Wake up, idealists. Remember the Iranian hostage crisis? That is the same
crowd that is in charge in Iran. Don't pretend that we can have peace if Iran
develops a nuclear weapon. Liberals who screamed so loudly about the U.S.
nuclear weapons and nuclear energy programs seem to be OK with an irresponsible
rogue nation developing them.
I would love to see some rational specific discussion on how to fix our problems
here at home and not have the conversation hijacked by rushing to extremist
Go Newt! He is shredding Romney and Cain. I am proud of this guy.
I totally agree with Sergio. The GOP needs to just scrap most of the current
candidates and try something different. I think Huntsman is rational, and I
could vote for him. I like some aspects of Ron Paul, but don't really agree
with his incredibly limited roll of the federal government. I don't think the
Equal Rights Amendment would have happened because of the free market system.Most of these candidates are very big government in the areas they want.
If you are going to be anti-choice, you are going to have to have a federal
agent track every pregnancy--doesn't sound like small government there. Just
think ladies, you could have Agent Smith attending your prenatal checkup with
you.My personal favorite moment of the debate was the question would
you use water boarding. That question roughly translated, is would you
knowingly violate the Geneva Convention and international law and treaties?
Michele Bachmann answered that question like she was ordering a BLT at a
deli...Oh yes, we learned valuable information. WOW! I can earn valuable money
by robbing a bank, but it isn't open for interpretation of law. I can't believe
that was seriously discussed.
I am really surprised by some of the comments here. They show a real lack of
understanding of what has been going on. Led by the Bush administration in
2003/2004, there has been a concerted attempt at globalizing this issue. The
Obama administration has continued that policy, expand it, and in fact is
largely why Obama is over in China and Russia. With out these two other powers
in sync, the global community can't do much to turn this around.The
Iranian program has been slowed dramatically, with if you read the report the
amount material year over year actually reducing. There have been lots of
efforts both public and covert including espionage to slow down the program.
One thing most who actually study the program do agree on is using military
force will actually only prolong the current iranian policy makers run....
introducing Iranian nationalism into a situation where Iran has become
increasingly isolated, and has had its own internal political problems.The answer to this isn't going to come in the form of a silly campaign talking
point, and Romney should have known better. He is smarter than this...
I missed the debates last night, can anyone tell me if Ron Paul recieved more
than 30 seconds out of the 90 minutes? And as usual, the media keeps him out of
the spotlight, because he is the only candidate who has read the constitution.
It sounds like to me that last nights debates were about torturing which does
nothing but make more enemies.
@Pagan"Not implying that you watch Fox, but there is a LOT of
information out there that is not correct."I don't happen to
watch Fox, but I think we're avoiding the bigger issue here. This is more than
a red vs. blue, Republican vs. Obama fight. I'm kicking myself because my silly
mistake enabled you to avoid the central point of my original post, which was
that Ron Paul is a candidate dedicated to a Constitutional foreign policy. Ron
Paul would not approve the assassination of an American citizen without a trial,
as Obama has done in the case of Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16 year old son. This
is a policy Mitt Romney and Barack Obama agree on, further proof that this is
not simply a partisan fight.I appreciate your correction but I can
only be held responsible for my own mistakes, not those of John Kyl, Bill
O'Reilly, or birther nonsense. I think one of the biggest problems of this
forum is we all engage in too much collectivist thinking. We judge individuals
by the groups we perceive them to belong to, and not their individual merit.
@ NeilTIf Americans were smart (I wonder about that anymore), they
would realize that law breaking by the President and Congress is the root of all
of our ills. Paul, not Romney is the ONLY candidate that knows how to obey the
This election (like the rest) is rigged!The moderators of the debate
were kind enough to bless Ron Paul with 90 seconds of time. 90 SECONDS!!The fact that the press does not want to hear from Ron Paul is proof
positive that he needs to be our next president.That is of course
unless the people of America are good with uncontrollable war, constitutional
erosion, endless debt and giving away our employment to foreign countries. If we
really want to keep these policies in place, continue on shutting down Ron Paul
down and vote for Obama, Romney, Perry, Cain, Gingrich and all of the other
schmucks that are here to "change" America.Vote for the
ones that have MSNBC'S permission to be elected.
If we go to war with Iran because we "think" they have a nuclear
weapon then I am moving out of this country.
Waterboarding is illegal and the US should have no part of it. Republicans
need to stop the in-fighting and unite behind Romney. He is not perfect, just
the most qualified.
These promises and lies the republican candidates are are saying that they will
do are ridiculous! Anyone of middle age and older knows full well that a
president as 1 man does nothing. It's the paid(under the table) old crony
congessmen that pass all of these filthy laws favoring big business that run
this country. Look where they have us now. And you people say you want a new
president-RIDICULOUS. How about joining together as two parties and doing what
is right for our country and the citizens, wouldn't that work? Run the crooked
greedy congressmen now in office out, and cleaning up the graff, lying, cheating
and stealing would be a good start. This country is a "complete" mess
right now. Lets clean our houses voters!
Ron Paul has been Right for over 30 years. There is no constitutional basis why
we have our military in all of these sovereign, foreign Countries! We are
following what the (Late) Great Brittan found out after boasting that The Sun
never sets on Great Brittan". Well, the Sun has set on them, as it did on
the soviets when they finally figured out Afghanistan was a loosing
proposition.When are we going to wake up? If it is worth American
Lives, Let us see a Formal Declaration of War From Congress. This little
skirmish in Afghanistan/Pakistan (and Iraq) would have been completed within 6
months, if there was a goal to this fighting. There has never been a plan. Not
under Bush and not under Obama. Support our troops by bringing them home!
Asked about attacking Iran, Paul said the president is obliged to follow the
Constitution and go through Congress before attacking the country. He compared
the current situation to the one before the United States launched its invasion
of Iraq in 2003.Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich strongly advocated
going to war with Iran. Romney said that if crippling sanctions fail, military
action would be used because it is unacceptable for Iran to become a nuclear
power like the United States, Russia, Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan,
North Korea and Israel. Proof they will not be good presidents if elected.
It literally made me sick watching the mainstream media once again silence the
one sane voice in this election, said Campaign Manager John Tate. The one
dissenter to a decade of unchecked war. The one candidate who stands for true
defense and actual constitutional government. Ron Paul was silenced, in perhaps
the most important debate of the cycle.
You say you want smaller government and when a guy like Ron paul comes along,
smaller government is proven to be idle talk with most Republicans. I guess they
like their socialst government programs and their nazi invasion tactics of other
countries after all. I laugh at your claims of wanting smaller
government because you are just basing it off of phony broken campaign promises
of Romney, Perry or Cain.
'Thanks for keeping me on my toes.' - David King | 12:01 a.m. Nov. 13, 2011 You are welcome. With so much mis-information out
there.... *Sen Kyl mocked for making up numbers in abortion debate
By Sara Israelsen-Hartley DSNews 04/12/11 *'Bill O'Reilly
apologizes to Shirley Sherrod for 'not doing my homework' - By Matea Gold - LA
Times - Published by DSNews - 07/22/10 'NEW YORK Fox News host Bill
O'Reilly offered a rare mea culpa Wednesday, apologizing for airing a
controversial tape of a speech given by a black U.S. Dept. of Agriculture
official that was edited to make it appear she was racist.'
*'Univ. of Maryland study finds Fox News viewers to be misinformed on key
issues' - By Ryan Witt - Examiner - 12/17/10'Over 40% of respondents said
President Obama started TARP even though TARP was signed into law by President
Bush on October 3rd of 2008.' Not implying that you watch Fox, but
there is a LOT of information out there that is not correct. i.e.
Obama was born in Kenya. I LOVE using that now! :) *'White
House releases Obama birth certificate' - By Julie Pace - AP - 04/27/11
If we elect Romney, Iran won't have nuclear weapons? How? I would like to know
some specifics on that.Yeah, I would like to bomb Iran, a lot of
people would like to bomb Iran, but we just can't go around doing that stuff.As much as I like Israel (this is really about them, more than it is
about US) I think that the best advice we can give them is that they should
outflank Iran on the diplomatic front and make peace with the Palestinians. Is
it worth all the trouble, the expense and the risk so that a bunch of settlers
in the West Bank can hang onto Palestinian lands. Israel, quit while you are
ahead.If not, the US still should not get sucked into a foreign
There should be a constitutional amendment to require the GOP's new war be paid
for in cash in advance by each taxpayer. This time the Trillion Dollar price tag
should be paid for and not added to the debt like the last two. (The unfunded
wars of the Bush Administration coupled with the Tax break was a major factor to
The GOP needs to go back to the drawing board and try to come up with a
candidate worthy of American voters consideration. The only two who appear to be
worthy of being in the race are Huntsman and Paul; all the others are way off
the mark. America maybe in real trouble if it can't come up with better leaders
and statesmen than these self centered politicians.
I am amazed at the race of the Republican primary candidates to the ultra right.
The Tea Party is marginalized and the Christian block is weak in the general
population.I would love to see some rational specific discussion on how to
fix our problems here at home and not have the conversation hijacked by rushing
to extremist views.
Can someone please explain to me how starting yet another war - this time in
Iran - is defending the Constitution?
@Pagan"Where did you get your information David?As, there
were ZERO US troops in Libya before and after Ghdafi was killed."Oops. I meant to put simply "U.S. involvement" not military. I
stand corrected. I did know that no U.S. ground troops were involved, and for
that I give the President credit.Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
If we want a decent president in the vein of "normal" presidents, I
hope republicans get around to Huntsman. If we want some serious change for the
better, we need someone like Paul.
Perry said....That's what happens in war. I'm for using the techniques,
not torture, but using those techniques that we know will extract the
information to save young Americans' lives and will be for it until I die.I thought he died the other night in the last debate.Somebody forgot to tell him.USA maintains overseas bases in Japan,
Korea, South Africa, Germany, like it was 1965,and that is not all of them. Current cost to maintain overseas bases like it was 1965 is $86 million
per day. Has anyone heard one GOP candidate say anything about
bringing those folks home...Mitt sort of did when he said he will cut $100
million a year in overseas spending.How will they get along without
that 1.2 days of income? ....oh perish the thought... In other
words he is not going to upset the applecart that has got us into this mess.Still looking for someone who can be elected and has the backbone to
call it like it is.Mitt is putting perfume over garbage, does not
fix the problem but it makes it smell better.
I missed the debate. Did anyone suggest that we send Dick Cheney to Iran first
in order to make sure Iran has nukes before blowing another nation to kingdom
come? Did any of the candidates volunteer to lead (or maybe have a SON lead) the
first bombing attack, presumably on Tehran? And could we sell sponsorship ads on
the sides of bombers to companies that paid no income taxes?
Re Pagan: What world do you live in?...NATO struck Libya. The U.S.A. is is is
NATO. I understand, your comments are meant to provoke.. O.K.... You yourself
couldn't believe half of what you post here. It is, of coarse, a proxy war,
funded with the deficit spending(our tax money).
They need to start a war to win.
"Tough Talk" is necessary in this tough world. That said, Mitt has
left war as the last option on his list of solutions. BHO is almost certainly
going to take this country into a wider war in the middle east, if he wins
re-election, with or without congressional approval................ Who does not
believe this? .........what are their names?
'Unlike Obama, he would not involve the U.S. military in Libya without a
declaration of war by Congress.' - David King | 8:12 p.m. Nov. 12, 2011 Where did you get your information David? As, there were
ZERO US troops in Libya before and after Ghdafi was killed.
'A few years ago, a green President Obama figured we could just apologize to
Muslim nations...' - ouisc | 9:13 p.m. Nov. 12, 2011 Reply facts: *'Osama bin Laden Killed: 'Justice Is Done,' President Says' - By DEAN
SCHABNER - ABC News - 05/01/2011 'Osama bin Laden, hunted as the
mastermind behind the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil, has been killed,
President Obama announced tonight.' *'We have been waiting
for this moment': Libya confirms Gadhafi is dead' - MSNBC - 10/20/2011 SIRTE, Libya Deposed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has been killed, the
Libyan prime minister confirmed Thursday, following news of his capture and
reports of his death.
sorry that last comment was directed at veracity. Interesting name for someone
that did not put much support for their argument by the way.
Care to comment on why you think they are wrong or do you just want to stick to
A few years ago, a green President Obama figured we could just apologize to
Muslim nations, including Iran, and diplomatically become allies with Iran. A
few months in, he saw Israel's intelligence on Iran, and realized he is in way
over his head. Now President Obama's letters and requests to Iran go
unanswered--we are irrelevant to Iran.So for the past year, we've
enacted sanctions, more sanctions, and even more sanctions, which has only made
the current government in Iran even stronger.We really need to find
out what other key nations are willing to do. I think we've effectively proven
the U.S. can not go into a war in the Middle East with a couple of buddies and
clean things up. I give Obama credit on this one--he's currently calling out
other key nations to find out how far they're willing to go to prevent Iran from
nuclear weapons.I'm rather disappointed in the responses by the GOP.
Although I think we have lost valuable time with Iran the past two years, the
approach we need to take is to engage other key nations and develop a plan with
the rest of the world.
After reading the first three or four remarks to this article, I now understand
how Obama was elected, what kind of individual elected him and why America is in
a world of hurt presently...and it is this type of thinking which might re-elect
Obama again...maybe it is Obama that will usher in the end-of-the-world if so he
is well on his way.Wake up people and smell the roses.
So a vote for Romney = a vote to go to war with Iran. Very interesting.
Because unless Romney has some secret mojo sauce, that is the only option he has
left himself. Buckle folks - looks like were going to send out
boys back to the middle east to another war..... and surely re-igniting the war
in Korea will be next on his list. Lets see how many votes he thinks this will
buy him, predeclaring his decision to go to war.
My respect for Cain as a master of obfuscation is rising: "I'm against
torture, but I will let someone else define it, and some one ELSE decide who
gets it. That's what leaders do." OK, it's not word for word, but it's
JohnJacob, Pagan, and Melanna all ignore one inconvenient little truth. His
name is Ron Paul. He has been against all wars of aggression, and stood firm
regardless of party. Unlike Obama, he would not involve the U.S. military in
Libya without a declaration of war by Congress. Unlike Obama, he would not
assume he holds the power to assassinate American citizens without a trial.
There's one candidate dedicated to adhering to the U.S. Constitution when it
comes to foreign policy, and it is not Romney, Perry, Cain, or Obama. Take a
look at what Ron Paul has said for decades and you will see why Ron Paul
receives more money from the active duty than Obama, and more than all other
Republicans combined. (Center for Responsive Politics study)
Perhaps Mitt should rehire Ollie North and John Poindexter, arms for hostages
worked so well for them the the first time, eh?
what great idea the last to wars the gop started then washed their hands of
really did wonders for our economy.
Another Republican president, another unfunded war based on heresay. I wonder how many trillions in debt we will accrue before NO weapons are
found...again. As exampled by: "The Iraqi regime .
. . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking
nuclear weapons.' - George W. Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002 *'US
gives up search for Iraq WMD' - BBC News - 01/12/05 'Mr Duelfer reported
last year that Iraq had no stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons at the
time of the US-led invasion nearly two years ago.' *'George W Bush
says Iraq intelligence failure is his biggest regret' - By Alex Spillius -
12/01/08 - The UK telegraph'Though the outgoing US president failed
to take responsibility for the misfortunes that have beset the country during
his eight years in office, he was candid about wishing things had gone
better.' Result? *'U.S. Military deaths in Iraq war at
4,473 - AP - Published by the DSNews - 08/02/2011
The last 2 unfunded wars cost 3 trillion and counting so Republicans can really
be for less spending and smaller government by adding a 3rd war which we will go
further in debt with China for. Thanks GW Bush for adding 6 trillion to the
debt that includes your other unfunded projects such as 700 billion for banks, 1
trillion for medicaid prescription, 2 stimulus packages.