NeilT: and which Utah "right wing conservative legislators", in your
mind, need to be voted out??
This recall reveals what should already have been obvious. First, it proves how
near the U.S. is to failing as a constitutional republic. Secondly, it reveals
the primary cause is government inaction to a massive invasion, primarily from
Mexico. And finally, it demonstrates a need for citizen enforcement. The
socialists need illegal aliens as feeders to the ballot box.
Glad to see Pierce go. It's time to return to civility, especially in the
immigration debate. Would love to see some of Utah's right wing conservative
legislators voted out of office.
One more thing: Pearce was also one of the legislators who wasted time and
taxpayer money by sponsoring a bill to name a State Gun. Thanks for that one,
The talk around town is that he lost largely because it was an open race with
two Republicans running. Anytime you have two Republicans in a race where
Democrats can vote, the more moderate of the two will win.That said,
Pearce has been an embarrassment. His campaign was a mess with illegal sign
postings, a sham candidate intended to split Lewis's vote, and a deceptive
robo-call.However, the reason he was recalled in the first place is
that he beat illegal immigration into the ground and completely ignored more
pressing issues like jobs and education. Additionally, he tried to change the
constitutional definition of citizenship at the state level. Whatever you think
about immigration, the US Constitution can't be changed at the state level!
PookyBear84010 | 12:35 p.m. Nov. 10, 2011KAYSVILLE, UT Actually I was aware of that but it stretches the imagination so much more.
@The AtheistCan an LDS member be a Neo-Nazi?If someone has had
a bad past but repented of ones sins then yes they are allowed to join the
church.How well do LDS really know their fellow members and
converts?Repentance is a beautiful principle. It doesn't mater what your
past is... as long as you've repented.
@Johnson 72:Actually, my friend, it's all a matter of perception. This
recall election was a "district" election, a district in which the
majority of the voters were 1) Republican, 2) conservative and 3) Mormon. For
them it was "win,win". Your perception, it would appear, rests
primarily on a bias that anything "Mormon" is bad. Are you as equally
glib concerning the color of skin and/or of ethnicity when it comes to judging
all matters politico?
This is good news for the Church, for Arizona, and for the country.
The LDS people control politics in Mesa.Pearce has been criticized
for his association with white supremacist J.T. Ready, whom Pearce endorsed for
Mesa City Council in 2006 and appeared with him at several rallies. In 2004
Pearce was photographed attending J.T Ready's baptism, and Church documents
reveal that Pearce ordained J.T Ready into the LDS priesthood.Pearce
has since claimed he was unaware of Ready's neo-Nazi affiliations at the time he
made the endorsement.This raises a few important questions:Can an LDS member be a Neo-Nazi? In Arizona, apparently so.How
well do LDS really know their fellow members and converts? Apparently, not very
well.Pearce's son, Justin, resigned from the Arizona Motor Vehicles
Division in 1999, after he produced counterfeit driver's licenses for himself
and four friends with false ages, in an effort to avoid alcohol prohibition
laws.Justin subsequently pled guilty to tampering with a public
record and received a suspended sentence.In February 2011 Mesa
police arrested Pearce's other son, Joshua, on two outstanding warrants tied to
a probation violation and failing to appear in court.Mesa Mormons
replaced an embarassing Mormon with a less embarassing one.
@Clark -- Actually it was The Economist, Washington Post, and Christian Science
Monitor that emphasized the Mormon angle of this story. This DN article is
basically a Frankenstein version of those publications' original reporting.
@FDRfan--this was not a case of a Mormon Democrat ousting a conservative
Republican. Both candidates were Mormon, conservative, and Republican. The
article goes on to say that Lewis's views are very similar to Pearce's. So yeah,
that could probably happen in Utah, too.
Do any of you Utah Monday Morning quarterbacks know the story of Pearce? I
suggest you find out what happened to his family that started his strong stance
on ILLEGAL immigration issues.Pearce is NOT anti-LEGAL immigration;
to say otherwise is to show your own ignorance on the issue.
Today is great day for the U.S.A. Mr. Russel Pearce was as "NO NOTHING' as
they come. We need people that can look at the issues as they really are and not
through the lense of hate.
Kinda stinks for Az. Lose a mormon but then again gain another one.
Religion needs to stay out of this disagreement and change. My advise would be
to make sure your own house is clean before you say someone else is living in
I have resided in Arizona for 18 years, and retired after 32 years in law
enforcement as a command officer in California. California is a sanctuary
state. For those who read the AP and other slanted articles, we do
have an illegal immigrant problem of monumental proportions! Wake up! So,
what's the problem? Simple: they are here contrary to US law, they almost
always use stolen or forged ID, they commit crimes far in excess of their
proproton to the rest of us "legal" citizens, they fill our jails, and
they illegally apply for welfare, and the list goes on. Russel did
what he thought was correct to try and overcome the almost total absence of US
law enforcement (remember "catch and release), that the Border Patrol only
catches about 20% of those who try to enter the US (that means up to 80% get
through, so the the low "catch" rates now encountered in some areas
are nothing to crow about). As far as I care, the Arizona law
didn't go far enough. We are (or were) a nation of laws. Sad
anti-immigrant rhetoric is correct because that how Pearse got painted and is
the reason why the law was stricken by the courts. There is nothing wrong with
being anti-illegal immigrant, but when one's opinions as expressed in laws and
viewpoints are transformed into prejudicial anti-immigrant rhetoric then that is
the tipping point that got him in trouble.
Spy vs. Spy; my first thought reading the headline. Take that for whatever it's
Quit complaining. The irony of the whole thing is neat.
Wouldn't it be great if this could happen in Utah? Imagine a Mormon Democrat
ousting a conservative Republican.
clarky,they did it so you would have something to post about.
Wonder why it is so important to DN to identify the religious affiliation of
these candidates when it publishes so MANY articles about how religion shouldn't
matter! Talk about flip flopping!