The American people deserve better than someone being tried in the court of
public opinion based on unfounded accusations," Cain said, drawing
enthusiastic applause from the Republican crowd. "I value my character and
my integrity more than anything else."Sad state of affairs when
the GOP cheer for the man who admitted to paying a complaintaint to go away. I
was hoping that Bill Clintons ways were gone from the white house but Cain seems
to think they are okay if they are paid for.Seems to me we just
found another politician who will lie his butt off.Ron Paul came off
very credible tonight. I wish Mitt would follow Pauls economic plan otherwise
we will be no better off than we are right now.
All set to eliminate, if I can just remember that third thing I want to
eliminate. I'm surprised Perry didn't shrink down to mouse size and scurry
President Obama is looking good. Keep it up folks.
Obama said we have 53 states in the union. That didn't seem to eliminate him
from becomming our president. I think Perry is plenty smart, but the DNC media
is trying to choose for us who the candidate will be. They tend to label those
whom they fear the most, like Palen.
Actually, Obama referred to 57 states.
Hutterite: "President Obama is looking pretty good"?????????? Surely
you were being sarcastic.
He had some one-liners, but this debate made it very clear that Herman Cain
doesn't know how to talk about anything but his 9-9-9 plan. Anytime he got a
question he had no clue about, he simply said, "Before we worry about that,
we need to grow this economy, which is why I've proposed a bold plan: nine,
As far as Perrys oops moment, no big deal. Obamas 57 state comment followed by
there is still two I have not been too. How about the one Navy Corpsman
(Corpseman). How about The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued
the region for centuries. How about On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors
its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience
here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong. There is plenty
more from Obama. So get off of Perry course look what we got when we got the
King of Gaffes.
chachi...Yes, I am afraid you are right...experience in government
is a must to go to the highest office in the land. Going through the ranks is
generally required for leadership in any organization.Herman Cain
will certainly fade from this point on, even though qualified as he is in the
business world. Good luck Mr. Cain as you continue to serve mankind in other
ways, and also as you defend your character from attack.
Can someone recap what exactly Mitt Romney stood for tonight? It changes so
often it's very difficult to keep track of.He was very pro-choice
about 15 years ago, very pro-life today.He supported the stimulus
before it happened, now says he never supported it.Was for the Auto
Bailouts when they happened, when he was Michigan's native son, now was never
for them to suffice the Tea Party.Says he is not for lowering taxes
on the wealthy, yet a huge part of his tax plan is to eliminate the Death/Estate
Tax....that only applies to Estate's valued over $5,000,000. What exactly does
he consider wealthy?Helped shape the formation of
"Obamacare" while Governor, yet will now repeal that legislation.I'd bring up his stance on the debt ceiling debate, but like a true
leader, he failed to make any comments during the debate, only criticized the
outcome.It's so sad this is the best Republicans can come up with.
Mitt Romney is John Kerry II, except he might actual stand for less than Kerry
"The American people deserve better than someone being tried in the court
of public opinion based on unfounded accusations," Cain said, drawing
enthusiastic applause from the Republican crowd.Court of public
opinion versus world of legal technicalities where there is a difference between
an agreement and a settlement? I would be too ashamed to represent the base that
so enthusiastically flocks to Herman Cain.
If anything, this just exposed Perry and his false promises of cutting
government back because he didn't even know the names of those agencies he was
going to abolish. Perry is just as phony as Obama and Romney.
Really Williary you are taking issue on a stance that he had from 15 years ago?
Oh my far be it for a man to decide to change his mind after 15 years! He must
be pure evil to revise his stance as he ages! Also please substantiate your
claims on auto bailouts when last I looked he said let them go bankrupt, unless
of course you are referring to another 15 year old stance. For the health care
issue is that not up to the state to decide how they will treat their people
rather than for the nation to decide? Therein lies the big difference.
Furthermore he did make his voice known during the debt debate he said we
shouldn't raise the debt ceiling.
I think there are three candidates who could win the Republican nomination --
Romney, Cain and uh, I can't remember the third one. Oops. Perry could make an excellent vice president. He reminds me of Joe Biden.
What worries me about Perry is not that he had a brain cramp, that can happen to
anyone. It's that he doesn't seem to know that 50% of the Energy Dept.'s budget
goes to maintaining our nuclear weapons and nuclear reactors. Personally I don't
think that's something we should stop doing.
I have no problem with Perry drawing a blank. That happens to everybody at one
time or another. It means he is human.The bigger concern I have is
the idea of wholesale elimination of any government agency. It seems like
throwing the baby out with the bathwater.These agencies were put in
place for good reasons. Yes, they may need to make some changes in response to
the global economic situation, but just eliminating them altogether seems
radical and reckless. Perhaps consolidating some of them could achieve some
efficiencies, but which?Executive Departments:Department
of Agriculture (USDA)Department of Commerce (DOC)Department of
Defense (DOD)Department of Education (ED)Department of Energy
(DOE)Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)Department of
Homeland Security (DHS)Department of Housing and Urban Development
(HUD)Department of Justice (DOJ)Department of Labor (DOL)Department of State (DOS)Department of the Interior (DOI)Department of the TreasuryDepartment of Transportation (DOT)Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)Do we really understand what
each of these Departments actually do and why they exist?
>>"Sad state of affairs when the GOP cheer for the man who admitted
to paying a complainant to go away."Actually, paying to settle
such complaints is very common, even where no harassment was intended. It's not
uncommon that some actions perceived as harassment by a victim were intended as
innocent remarks or actions on the part of the accused; and it's usually cheaper
to settle the case than to go to trial.I'm not saying that's what
happened here. Some of the complaints leveled against Cain are detailed and, if
true, inexcusable. But it's also yet to be proven whether they are true and the
fact that a settlement existed isn't by itself de facto proof that Cain is
guilty of anything.
Doug 10So your saying in our country a person IS Guilty until proven
ini inicent?WOW! Remember what the Blondes attorney said "
What Cain did FALLS under sexual harassment" keywords FALLS under!Read the law, he could have told a joke that she over heard.She did go on to file suites after that incident at a different job.Yes Douggie 10 that is creditability at its finest.
This is all good for Romney!Perry imploded. Done.Cain
will eventually implode, but it is in Romney's favor for people to hang on to
Cain. As each day goes by, that's one less day for people to regroup to back
Gingrich, or Paul, or any of the third tier candidates.
@ Williary - you might try actually listening to Romney some time, instead of
just regurgitating the same old tired, lame attack points you've been spoonfed
by opponents and media whose biggest objective is to keep the pot stirred.
I like that virtually no one posting here can complete a sentence correctly.
Welcome to Utah and the Republican party.
Wiliary: nice try.I hope Romney gets elected. He's clearly the best choice
@DN - I fail to see how this violates your rules.Huntsman actually
said something intelligent, for once.Perry was wise for refusing to
comment on Cain's situation.Perry is, seriously, dumber than W, if
you can believe that. And that is coming from a Texan.
Perry shoulda said something like: "There are several federal agencies I
would eliminate as President such as Department of Education,... etc."
Leave it open ended. A shrewd politician will never fence himself in as Perry
@Marrion Barry - your comment exposes much more about your bias and
provincialism than it does about Utah Republicans. As one who takes pride in
the proper use of English, I too cringe at the wholesale slaughter of our
language that frequently occurs on these comment boards. As I read
back through the comments on this particular thread, I found the mistakes pretty
innocuous, and your criticism to be extremely petty. Any time Brother Chuck
Schroeder is absent, the bell curve on grammar improves significantly.You should pull your head out of the DN and apply the same critical analysis
to other similar venues. I highly doubt you'll find that the writing skills of
Utah Republicans are inferior to the writing on comment boards for almost any
newspaper or blog in our entire country. Welcome to abysmal language skills
across the nation - not just among Utah Republicans.Your implication
that Utah Republicans have inferior writing skills in comparison to Utah
Democrats - as evidenced by comments to DN articles - is so demonstrably false
that I wonder if you even read the posts of our more liberal contributors.Next time you post, please make an attempt at fairness.
I'd eliminated, or at least combine into other agencies, the following:Department of Agriculture (USDA)Department of Education (ED)Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)Department of Labor
(DOL)Department of the Interior (DOI)Department of Transportation
(DOT)Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)But, for sure
eliminate ED and DOL.
DSB | 10:47 a.m. Nov. 10, 2011Cedar Hills, UT Well put. I
thought he was talking about my comments but you may be using me in your
rebuttal. I do not take any of this personally. I do, however, enjoy irritating
Republicans when I can - but only about their Republicanism.
@FDRfan - thank you. The poor grammar here was honestly so minor (compared to
many comment threads), that I honestly didn't notice anyone as a particularly
heinous abuser. And, I recognize that many people are just writing like they
express themselves verbally, so I generally don't get too worked up about it.
These comments aren't English assignments, although once in awhile a comment is
so grammatically egregious as to warrant a bit of mockery.Also, I
humbly acknowledge your successful record of irritating me over my
Miss Piggie, I think the next president should do away with three federal
departments, the Department of Education, the Department of... er... the
Department of... uh... the, dang, I can't... oops.That's what I
think... I think.