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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 9 2011 2:40 p.m. MST

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Obama seeks ideas on reducing black joblessness' - Title

On idea:

Education.

As supported by:

*'Marriage an important key to avoiding poverty' - By Jennifer A. Marshall, The Heritage Foundation - Published by the DSnews - 10/17/10

'Waiting until marriage to have children is the second of three "golden rules" for avoiding poverty that researchers identified over the years: (1) GRADUATE from high school; (2) marry before having children; and (3) get a job.'

And yet Utah has a poor example, of supporting education.

*'Herbert's new education panel missing diversity' - By Amy K. Stewart - Deseret News - 04/19/10

*'Utah Legislature: Lawmaker proposes ending affirmative action in higher education' - By Josh Smith - DSNews - 02/12/10

'Rep. Curtis Oda, R-Clearfield, is proposing legislation that would forbid state agencies, contractors, universities and colleges from providing preference based on race or sex.'

And yet, in the SLC discrimination report from 2009, it shows that, of the African Americans who live in SLC...

30% live below, the poverty line.

Page 19.

FYI, Herberts education panel was LATER changed, to meet the diversity, of their students.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Pagan,
help me understand your comment, please.

the article was about black joblessness, but you attack education in Utah. I don't see the connection.

I think maybe you're trying to say education is key in employment. If so, I agree with you.

You post other quotes with which I wholeheartedy agree - don't have kids till you're married, finish high school (at least), and get a job.

Where you really lose me is in the rest of your comment where you seem to infer that education decisions in Utah should be based on the color of one's skin, rather than the content of one's character.

connect the dots for me a little better, please. I think I'd understand a little better if you used a logical thought process, rather than just stringing together what appears to be random quotes and headlines. Tell me WHY they go together, don't just list them out.

thank you

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Where you really lose me is in the rest of your comment where you seem to infer that education decisions in Utah should be based on the color of one's skin, rather than the content of one's character.' - lost in DC | 3:14 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011

Apparently I need to direct you, again, to the SLC discrimination report. Which shows black Americans in SLC to have the HIGHEST poverty rate.

Page 19.

Or...

*'Study: African Americans Paid Significantly Less Than Whites' - By Boyce Watkins, PhD - Aug 3rd 2010

'The U.S. Census Bureau just released a study stating that African Americans earn far less than whites.'

I have many, many examples of discrimination based on the color of one's skin.

But it will do little good, if you choose to ignore them.

Want choices based on 'the content of one's character'...?

Fine.

Stop the discrimination that is factual, supported, and EXIST'S...

in the work place.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Pagan,
I'm not ignoring what you are saying, I just cannot make sense of it. Heck, I even agreed with a number of the quotes you posted. But you post quotes and snippets without logically tying them together.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm trying to understand what you're saying. That's why I said "please help me understand" and offered thanks in advance.

Try explaining without all the quotes and snippets(I know that like asking a bird to fly without wings). I see them, I can read them, I don't need you to repeat them. I know discrimination of all types exist, I'm not trying to argue that.

unfortunately blacks earn less than whites - I got that. unfortunately they have a higher poverty rate - I got that, too.

please tell me why we should judge someone by the color of their skin.

When you post 'Rep. Curtis Oda, R-Clearfield, is proposing legislation that would forbid state agencies, contractors, universities and colleges from providing preference based on race or sex.' in a manner that says you disagree with it, it makes me think you DO believe in judging by skin color rather than by character.

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