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  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 12, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    As scholarship or walk on player, you want to play and win against whoever the opponent team is. Of course a player is going to want to play the best opposing team, so the player can be noticed want and recruited by an NFL scout. The only down side of BYU's independence has been the scheduling of primarily teams that are Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) level and this a disincentive for a talented player that would like to be noticed by a NFL team. BYU's scheduling for the next 3 years as an independent is reflective of a Football Championship Subdivision (FCS) level and this is an automatic turn off in recruitment of talented players.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    @2BCswims
    "You must have forgot that a Utah team without urban and urban's players beat down the Y 54 - 10 on its home field. So tell me what does that say about Bronco and this Y team big cougie?"

    Just to set the record straight, I am always impressed with the level of intensity, desire and determination that Utah players always show when playing BYU.

    One source of frustration for me as a Cougar fan is that "the speed of the lead dog determines the rate of the pack" and Bronco's teams just don't seem to match the level of intensity shown by other rivals or big game opponents. If I had one wish, it would be that Bronco would get fired up for big games and in turn get his players fired up.

    In the 54-10 loss to Utah I was angry with how poorly the players seemed to be prepared and how the defense just seemed to quit in the 3rd quarter after the fumbled kick return. He seemed so non-chalant about it afterwards and to me, being that poorly prepared was inexcusable (you'll find similar comments of mine in many articles after that game.)

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    @2BCswims
    "Let me ask you Big Cougie if that is true and this Ute team is truly as bad as you say it is. What exactly does that say about the Y's team?"

    I have no illusions of grandeur about this team even though they may win 10 games. It's like last year's Ute team that won 10 games and for a while thought they were going to go to another BCS bowl game and fans were talking about playing in the National Championship game after they beat up on UNLV, New Mexico, CSU, San Jose St, Wyoming etc (basically a WAC schedule).

    Utah then proceeded to lose to Notre Dame, TCU and Boise STate by a combined 101-13 score and needed several miracles to happen to beat a really bad BYU team led by a true freshman QB in Rice-Chex stadium no less. There was no luster on their 10 win season and there is no luster on BYU's this year if they win out and get to 10 wins.

    Also, if you look in past articles, I've been very critical of Bronco's mishandling of things this year and not having the team prepared for big games.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    @UncleRicoBlows
    "It does seem; however, that I touched a nerve with you."

    It's ironic, Cougar fans mention winning a National Championship and that touches a nerve with you enough that you have to take the time to type in and post a response telling us it touched a nerve. Then you turn around and are critical of someone else who you feel is responding due to a touched nerve.

    Isn't that what a typical Ute fan does? You are okay focusing on the splinter in my eye while ignoring the great big beam sticking out of your own eye.

    You can cry, kick and tantrum all you want but it doesn't change the fact that BYU won the National Championship and did it playing by the rules of the day. I don't need to justify it because the AP, the UPI, USA Today/CNN, Sagarin Ratings, Football Writers Assoc of America, etc etc already did that.

    You just need to find a way to get over your grief and move on. You appear to be stuck somewhere between Shock & Denial and Anger. Good luck with that, some people never make it through the 7 stages of grief. Best wishes.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    @Big cougie

    Your comments have to make me laugh the most out of all the cougie fan's. You truly have no clue on what you're saying. Do you just start typing and think because you believe it that it's true.

    You say urban and all his players are gone so utah is back to the 70's and 80's...lol Let me ask you Big Cougie if that is true and this Ute team is truly as bad as you say it is. What exactly does that say about the Y's team? You must have forgot that a Utah team without urban and urban's players beat down the Y 54 - 10 on its home field. So tell me what does that say about Bronco and this Y team big cougie?

  • OldPortD.A.M. Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Uncle Rico Knows

    Wow, sorry for calling you a ute fan. Touch a nerve there?

    But your argument is still useless.

    You can argue all you want, bring up any stat you want, try to rewrite history all you want...

    I don't have to justify anything, that is what you are trying to do.

    The 1984 NC is in Provo and it ain't going anywhere.

    So why bring it up?

  • fan29 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 10, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    BYU needs to get on board with a conference. This Independence thing is a joke. This schedule is a joke and it's not going to get any better. Not one win on this schedule is over a team with a winning record. Hawaii is the only team left with a winning record at 5 wins and 4 loses and by the time BYU plays them they may not have a winning record. Admit BYU you made a huge mistake going Independent and get yourself inline with a Conference!!! I don't won't to have to watch anymore Idaho State's, New Mexico State's, San Jose State's, Idaho's. Do you get the message?? I would rather see you play Weber St or Utah State at Cedar City if we have to play Jr College Teams!!!

  • Uncle Rico Knows Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 10:45 p.m.

    @ Big Cougar and OldPortD.A.M
    At what point did I say I was a UTE fan? For the record, this is not the case. I love how insecure BYU fans always assume that people who don't like BYU are automatically UTE fans. Very typical. It does seem; however, that I touched a nerve with you. The way you have to justify your championship speaks volumes about this controversy. Had the BYU resume been stronger in 1984, there would be absolutely no need to find justification for it. There were far more arguments against it than for it, despite what the final vote said. 1984 has always been remembered as one of the biggest controversies in NCAA National Championship history.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico
    "I am tired of BYU fans throwing around their "National Championship" like it was a major accomplishment. Here are the facts regarding this NC:"

    BTW, it was a major accomplishment. Name another FBS team outside of a major conference in the modern era that has managed to win a National Championship in football. BYU is the last team to win the national championship from a league outside of the BCS.

    If you don't know which is better, winning a National Championship or winning a BCS Bowl game, just look at how a deflated 2008 Alabama didn't care enough about the Sugar Bowl to even come out and play hard yet the 2009 Alabama team came out for the BCS National Championship game with Texas and played like Lions.

    Take it from the fan of a team that's actually won something big, a National Championship is several orders of magnitude better than winning a BCS Bowl game. But, I should expect, because your team has never won anything big, you probably wouldn't understand. You might ask your great granddaddy about his 1944 Utes, they won a National Championship in basketball back in the peach basket era.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico Blows
    "I am tired of BYU fans throwing around their "National Championship" like it was a major accomplishment. Here are the facts regarding this NC:"

    BTW, it was a major accomplishment. Name another FBS team outside of a major conference in the modern era that has managed to win a National Championship in football. BYU is the last team to win the national championship from a league outside of the BCS.

    If you don't know which is better, winning a National Championship or winning a BCS Bowl game, just look at how a deflated 2008 Alabama didn't care enough about the Sugar Bowl to even come out and play hard yet the 2009 Alabama team came out for the BCS National Championship game with Texas and played like Lions.

    Take it from the fan of a team that's actually won something big, a National Championship is several orders of magnitude better than winning a BCS Bowl game. But, I should expect, because your team has never won anything big, you probably wouldn't understand. You might ask your great granddaddy about his 1944 Utes, they won a National Championship in basketball back in the peach basket era.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    @BYUHOCKEY
    "Heaps and Wynn have very similar styles."

    Huh?! Wynn struggles to throw the ball 30 yds and has a throwing motion more commonly seen amongst shot putters while Heaps has an NFL arm and has no problem making any throws on the field (unless it's to an open receiver).

    Also, the wind blows and Wynn goes down writhing in agony clutching some part of his anatomy while Heaps, like a deer with it's white tail up, doesn't even wait for someone to get close to him before he's getting rid of the ball in a panic.

    Have you even watched them play?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 9, 2011 5:50 p.m.

    Smak that BYU is irrelevant is a laugh. Define relevant. Let me help:

    Def: Relevant (adj) Bearing on or connected with the matter at hand. (Dictionary.com).

    Is Utah relevant to the PAC12 conference championship? Yes, if they beat UCLA, otherwise no.
    Is BYU relevant to any conference championship? No.
    Is BYU relevant to NC? Not this year, but they could be if they beat a contender some year.
    Is Utah relevant to NC? See above.
    Is BYU relevant to its fans? Yes.
    Is BYU relevant to ESPN? Yes.

    And so on.

    For me Utah University is completely irrelevant. I don't read anything about the Utah team. I don't comment on their blogs. I don't care what happens to them. They do not matter to my universe.

    Clearly, BYU is highly relevant to the daily anti-BYU posters on these blogs. Every BYU win is pain to them. They care. Greatly. They are envious of BYU accomplishments. I pity the fools.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    Doesn't matter how you spin it. There is really nothing exciting about November for BYU. The traditional day of all the rivalries, BYU is sitting at home. This is, no doubt, a temporary thing. Ute fans have Colorado to look forward to and that's almost as lame as not having a game on rivalry week.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    @Uncle Rico Blows
    "I am tired of BYU fans throwing around their "National Championship" like it was a major accomplishment. Here are the facts regarding this NC:"

    BTW, it was a major accomplishment. Name another FBS team outside of a major conference in the modern era that has managed to win a National Championship in football. BYU is the last team to win the national championship from a league outside of the BCS.

    If you don't know which is better, winning a National Championship or winning a BCS Bowl game, just look at how a deflated 2008 Alabama didn't care enough about the Sugar Bowl to even come out and play hard yet the 2009 Alabama team came out for the BCS National Championship game with Texas and played like Lions.

    Take it from the fan of a team that's actually won something big, a National Championship is several orders of magnitude better than winning a BCS Bowl game. But, I should expect, because your team has never won anything big, you probably wouldn't understand. You might ask your great granddaddy about his 1944 Utes, they won a National Championship in basketball back in the peach basket era.

  • OldPortD.A.M. Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 9, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    Uncle Rico Knows

    I am tired of u fans trying to rewrite history about BYU national championship. Here are the facts regarding the NC:

    1. The 1984 NC Trophy is in Provo.
    2. The 1984 NC Trophy is in Provo.
    3. The 1984 NC Trophy is in Provo.
    4. The 1984 NC Trophy is in Provo.
    5. The 1984 NC Trophy is in Provo.
    6. They earned it in the EXACT same way every NC has, through voting. And it was unanimous.

    u can cry all you want it doesn't change history.

  • Uncle Rico Knows Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    I am tired of BYU fans throwing around their "National Championship" like it was a major accomplishment. Here are the facts regarding this NC:

    1) BYU played ZERO ranked opponnents in 1984.
    2) BYU beat a 6-6 (6th place in Big Ten) Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.
    3) BYU had the 96th worst schedule among 98 Division 1 schools in 1984.
    4) The combined record of BYU's 1984 opponnents was 61-85-3.
    5) Despite the WEAK schedule, BYU won five games by 1 touchdown or less.
    6) In 1984 BYU played in the weakest football conference in the country (WAC)

    These numbers say everything. BYU only received the NC because they were undefeated. I think these numbers show why we now have the BCS system, and under the current system, BYU would not have even been considered to hold the National Championship trophy.

  • WisCoug MOUNT HOREB, WI
    Nov. 9, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    @BLEEDRED
    "I guess we are all motivated in different ways.

    The Cougs; Playing in a Helicopter Bowl, Macaroni and Cheese Bowl, half empty stadium, ESPN Friday night spotlight. $8M Independence ESPN deal.

    The Utes; Playing in BCS Bowls, legitimate Bowls, packet stadium, national spotlight. $30M PAC12 ESPN contract"

    First, the PAC12 contract is worth about $20M, not $30M.

    Second, even in what is obviously a down year BYU's average attendance is 16,000 higher than the maximum capacity of Rice-Eccles.

    Third, you act as thought being in the PAC12 means you will play in a BCS game without question, but it is more likely that you end up in either the Maaco Las Vegas Bowl, Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, or New Mexico Bowl. Forgive me if I don't see a huge difference between lining up against Tulsa or SMU and lining up against SDSU, Air Force, or Army.

    Obviously Utah is in a better position right now than BYU, but you seem to think the disparity is larger than it really is.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 9, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    It's interesting that with all of the sniping about BYU's weak WAC opponents, on this week's ESPN Bottom Ten List

    PAC 12 - Colorado (with Arizona and OSU on the waiting list)
    MWC - New Mexico and UNLV
    WAC - no teams mentioned

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    @BYUHOCKEY
    "Heaps and Wynn have very similar styles."

    Huh?! Wynn struggles to throw the ball 30 yds and has a throwing motion more commonly seen amongst shot putters while Heaps has an NFL arm and has no problem making any throws on the field (unless it's to an open receiver).

    Also, the wind blows and Wynn goes down writhing in agony clutching some part of his anatomy while Heaps, like a deer with it's white tail up, doesn't even wait for someone to get close to him before he's getting rid of the ball in a panic.

    Have you even watched them play?

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Let's not even bring Alex Smith into this...okay. Just look at his past record on the professional level. Give it a few more weeks and I'll gaurentee that Alex Smith will be Alex Smith and the Niners will still be scratching their heads about their QB quandry

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    @ChrisB
    @ChrisB
    "I ask for what your program has done in the past 10 years and you respond by asking what my program has done in the past 15 GAMES?"

    LOL (at you)! Apparently Rickwell didn't know that you own all the copyrights on asking questions about what a team has done in the past.

    So based on your logic nobody can ask their own questions and have to use only your questions? Do we have to rent them from you or are they considered freeware? Are there terms and conditions we have to agree to before we use any of your questions? Can we go to your website and download a list of what are and aren't acceptable questions we can ask? Also, for posters who live out of state, can they buy franchises from you to set up in their local areas?

    what a maroon. Now that Urban Meyer is gone, all of his players are gone and the spread option that he brought to Utah is gone, what have the utes done to show that they're any better than being the next Washington State in the Pac12? The utes are backsliding to the 70's-80's under Whittingham.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    @Chris B
    "byu was a powerhouse in the 80's because of breakthroughs in offensive efficiency. Unfortunately, coaching has more than caught up with what byu could exploit 30 years ago."

    Utah had 2 great seasons in the past 100+ yrs. Those 2 seasons are a result of Urban Meyer bringing the spread offense to Utah. Just like with BYU's passing offense in the 70's and 80's, there was a learning curve with defending the Spread. Defensive Coordinators have largely caught up with it now. Teams that have exceptional athletes still are successful with it due to their overall athletiscm and speed.

    Since Utah lacks that overall speed and athleticsm they have struggled with the spread in recent years since most of their really good players that Urban recruited left the program after the 2008 season. Now that all the players are Kyle's recruits your marginal athletes on offense struggle mightily (last year you lost to Notre Dame, TCU and Boise ST by a combined 101-13 score).

    As a result, Kyle has been forced to scrap it for a more conventional offense like what Utah ran in the past. Basically under Whitt, Utah is de-evolving and returning to normal.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 9, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    Chris B

    You're saying we were relevant before??

    I just want to know if dumping our Honor Code is enough? How about we completely abandon all morals.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    HS Sports Dude,

    I am sure that every NFL team right now that is not at least 6-2 or 5-3 with a decent QB would take a GAME manager, and a QB who deosn't lose games. He may not be winning all of them with his arm, but he made a huge 4th and goal play to beat undefeated Detroit. He was also 9-9 with 2 TD passes in the 3rd quarter to bring the Niners back against the Eagles on the road. Go ask any NFL coach if they would take a game manger at QB, that is not making mistakes, has the least amount of INT's out of any starting QB that has played in every single game this year, and they would all say yes, and would love to have the Niners 7-1 record, with their only loss a blown OT game vs the Cowboys. Which was the defenses fault. Smith had a good game. Smith finally has a coach that believes in him, & he has also had to learn 7 different offenses in as many years. Most QB's would struggle in that situation. Too bad for Bama last Sat night. OUCH

  • Hegdehog Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    @ChrisB

    Please tell me what your team has done this year in the Pac12 or in the past 3 years to make anyone in the country believe you ever have a chance at national relevance again or that you were ever more than a mere 2 fluke seasons out of 100+ yrs thanks to Urban Meyer and the players he left behind for you when he bolted for Florida?

    This ought to be good..

    Waiting....

    ? (crickets chirping)

  • payara OREM, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    After a season of Indy. Please, please join either the Big 12 or the Big East. Even Utah's pathetic year shows up that you can totally screw your season up and be in contention to play in the rose bowl.

    The big East with BSU would be my first choice the reason being: BYU would have to play one top 10 team inroute to a BCS game. The Big 12 would take about 3 games. BYU would be realivent about 1 in 4 years in the Big 12 and be in the mix every year in the BIG East. Right now I am hating November, no games and our bowl game is looking very ordinary.

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 9, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    So utah, who had two good season and two BCS games want to think that they are now relevant?

    So what? I can't list all thirteen teams who have been to two BCS games and have been in a BCS conference from the beginning. oooooh Utah, your so important.

    Chris B and the rest of you think that Utah, "because we were invited to a BCS conference," makes you relevant?

    Seriously? What makes you relevant? You are the bottom of the PAC 12. You look awful at best, and have no important wins this season or last season. The big games, you got crushed. Your last significant game was in the BCS game, and you can't seem to get past that.

    What cracks me up is that you don't talk smack to the other teams in the PAC 12, but you turn around and talk smack to BYU?

    That is rich.

    "Hey BYU, we're losers in out new conference so were wanted to let you know that you are irrelevant."

    Oh burn, Good one.

    Welcome to the PAC 12. You've found your place. Now be quiet and let the big boys play.

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Motivation has never been the problem.

    Lack of Speed
    Too little Talent
    Weak Coaching
    Weak schedule
    Hype and arrogance
    A Coach who criticizes fans and sidesteps accountability
    Overall inconsistency

    THOSE are the problems.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 9, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    All righty kids, my time is limited this morning, so here goes without reading all of the comments first:

    Patriot, sorry to hear you didn't listen to your coaches. My coaches were always teaching, win or lose. Grow from your losses? If you don't, your bound to repeat them.

    Momentum? I see that we made the same type of killer mistakes against a better team the second time around, but this time we didn't roll over and actually fought back. Draw a straight line through the Utah humiliation, the TCU disappointment and to the end of the season, and I like our chances in our final shot at redemption.

    Motivation? Win out of lose out, we have a date, probably with another ranked team. Do the boys space it off, or do they use every opportunity to continue to grow and progress with an eye toward finishing strong, even if not where we wanted to finish. Just because some of YOU wouldn't be motivated in this situation, please don't reflect your mundane world attitude on to this group of men.

    We see who they are, warts and all. Same with you. The good, bad and especially the ugly.

  • North Summit 05 Coalville, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 6:13 a.m.

    Chris B check the records BYU has won alot more MWC championships in all sports than Utah has BYU lead the MWC in winning I believe Dick Harmon wrote about that when both schools were leaving and if Utah is so good and so amazing why did the not win a NATIONAL Title. Dont even start on Michigan being not great that year last I checked when Utah won the Sugar bowl didnt they beat a Michigan with a losing record BYU beat a Michigan team with a winning record so ya. The TCU game we do have alot to motivate we were able to score more than 3 points we had several chances to win which we didnt in recent years we were able to move the ball check the total yards. Oh and Chris lets just see who wins their bowl game if Utah gets one! And why all the bashing about the Big East Houston Air Force Boise State didnt they add Navy as well those would be some great games to see I'd much rather watch BYU vs any of them than Utah play a weak Pac 12 team

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    I guess we are all motivated in different ways.

    The Cougs; Playing in a Helicopter Bowl, Macaroni and Cheese Bowl, half empty stadium, ESPN Friday night spotlight. $8M Independence ESPN deal.

    The Utes; Playing in BCS Bowls, legitimate Bowls, packet stadium, national spotlight. $30M PAC12 ESPN contract

    Independence Card, don't leave the stadium without it.

    Band of Lil Brothers, thats hilarious, call T shirts Co. stop Quest Perfected T's and Print Band of Lil Brothers T's

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 9, 2011 12:20 a.m.

    @ Rickwell

    Great game ASU! I have no excuses why we lost other than the better team won. You guys played well against us last month. But, you didn't look great. I've been impressed with the talent and speed the Sun Devil's have. Too bad they don't capitalize on that talent year after year. ASU has been known as the chokers for the last several years. Start winning when it matters and stop losing to teams your supposed to win. Utah is new to the league and they are having growing pains (obviously) Give them a few years of recruiting and I guarantee you'll see the Utes become contenders for the pac-12 title. We'll see you in Tempe next year!

    Go Utes!

  • Ute's R Gr8 Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    Chris B. for President!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    I wish I could be as cool as Chris B.

  • HS Sport Dude South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    As an Alabama fan...I'd have to say both BYU and Utah are irrelevant. BYU has a strong losing record against BCS opponents (last 40 years). Utah has not really played that many but does near a 500 record against the BCS (last 40 years). Google it you'll be surprised how bad BYU has been against current BCS schools. IMHO....BYU has only been good one year...I think it was 1998 when they beat a top 5 Kansas State team in a bowl game. That was a good team. The 1984 team may have been good but we really will never know. The best team they played was an 8-4 Hawaii or an 8-4 Air Force. They played a 6-6 Michigan Team in the Holiday bowl.

    And...BYU...please don't start bragging about your Heisman Trophy winner. He lost the very next game throwing 4 picks and was a complete bust in the NFL. The Wacky WAC was so bad that during his years with lack of athletes playing DB...a decent QB goes off.

    And Utah....your #1 pick is now just finally "managing" the game. Not winning them...just not losing them.

  • BYUHOCKEY American Fork, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    The real question is will Norm Chow invite Jake Heaps to be the new Utah QB (redshirt next year) and start after Jordan Wynn graduates. or is Travis Wilson good enough to start his sophomore year? With a real QB coach and OC in Norm Chow, Heaps could be the ticket the Utes need to get to the Rose Bowl in a few years. Heaps and Wynn have very similar styles. Chase Hansen will be a linebacker or safety most likely as that is Coach Whittingham's usual high school QB to college transition. get the best athletes and turn them into defenders.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 6:00 p.m.

    Rickwell,

    Maybe your team (BYU or ASU, whichever fits at the time) beat Utah this year. When was the last time ASU went to the Rose Bowl or anything for that matter? Was it 1997? Did they win the game?

    Move on and come back when your team has anything relevant. How did your team do last week?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 8, 2011 5:52 p.m.

    Hmmmm. I love me Cougs but ..... "But now the focus is really on how good we can get our team to be. That's kind of fun, too." How good can this team get against the level of competition they're going up against? 2 bye weeks this month alone and remaining games against Idaho, New Mexico State & Hawaii. Sorry, but that doesn't do much for me. How can they truly raise the level of their players going up against that typ of competition week end/week out. They need a "real" conference. Let's hope the Big East or Big 12 pans out.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Let's summarize for Chris B. who is too young to know the history of football in Utah. (In fact I suspect he's in 8th grade somewhere on the Wasatch Front.)

    UTAH
    BCS Games = 2
    BCS Championship Games = 0
    National Championships - 0
    Heisman Trophy Winners = 0

    BYU
    National Championships = 1
    Heisman Trophy Winners - 1

    Using Cheris B's logic, USC, Notre Dame, Miami, Michigan, Univesity of Washington, Boston College, University of Texas, Auburn and several others are "irrelevant" and "never will be again." The real fact is that Utah is a bottom feeder in the PAC 12 (maybe they can beat Colorado this year----maybe------another "irrelevant team") and will wait dozens of years to even get into the Rose Bowl, if even then. Weren't they supposed to play there this year---then they played USC, Washington, Arizona State and California first...? How'd that go, Chris? Oops. And when Utah looks at all their accomplishments (54-10 for example) they still will never have a National Championship. Enjoy that, Chris B.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Somebody teach Chris B how to snipe hunt.

    "He enjoys irrelevancy." Umm! I wonder if the utes find him as a relevant fan?

    Motivation is now having a ten win season.

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:29 p.m.

    PAC12Fan

    Interesting because ute fans what everyone to believe that only 2004 and 2008 are important.

    As an ASU fan, I think that only important date this year was the one we beat you down at your house.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Rickwell,

    We went to TWO BCS games. Not one.

    This encompassed TWO entire seasons.

    24 games.

    Not one game.

    24 amazing games as part of two amazing season.

    Which merit BCS game and BCS league inclusion.

    Enjoy irrelevancy. I will.

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    Chris B

    All of your accomplishments you listed came from one game. One.

    Quick, without looking, tell me who won the second tier BCS game two seasons ago...

    Waiting...

    ?

    Right, can't do it without looking. It's Meaningless.

    Since 2008? You've done nothing.

    Worse yet, you want to have an ugly contest with BYU's last 10 years and your last 10 games? Fine you win. Happy?

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:18 p.m.

    Rickwell,

    Where did the 15 games come from? I do believe we beat BYU twice during that 15 games.

    When does Cougar history start? From the beginning or from the time that BYU was good? From the time Utah was bad?

    Is it 15 games?
    Is it 30 years?
    Is it 40 years?
    Is it only 1984?

    I'm confused. Since BYU is private and independent, can they simply erase all the bad years off the record books and start playing the games they win on KBYU?

    617-424-31 All time record since 1892 for Utah meaning they have won 60% of their games.

    484-369-26 All time record since 1922 for BYU meaning they have won 56% of their games.

    55-34-4 All time for Utah.

    So when did history start?

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    Well, I can get up for my B league old man's sports league so I imagine getting up for a nationally televised game in front of 60,000 fans won't be a problem. Go Cougars!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    Naval Vet:

    You are right that BYU could win the Idaho State Championship or even the Nevada State Championship or possibly the New Mexico State Championship.

    That's funny.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Being motivated in BYU's current circumstance is a matter of Honor, Integrity and Class. It seems like some of you will never be able to understand these concepts. No big surprise there.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    Rickwell,

    I ask for what your program has done in the past 10 years and you respond by asking what my program has done in the past 15 GAMES?

    LOL.

    Clearly, we did enough in recent history.

    We earned a BCS game invite.
    We won that BCS game.
    We earned a second BCS game invite.
    We won that game.
    We beat the #2 SEC team and finished with #2 ranking in the whole NCAA.
    We earned a BCS league invite.

    My school isn't on the outside looking in trying to justify BCS league/game inclusion.

    Been there. Done that. We'll do it again.

    and you?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Please tell me what your team has done in the past 10 years to make anyone in the country believe you ever have a chance at national relevance again?"

    FIVE AP Top 25 finishes

    which is as many AP Top 25 finishes as Utah has had in their entire history

    ONE Doak Walker Award Winner - nation's best running back

    which is one more national individual award than Utah has ever had

    With all of their "inclusivity", Utah has zero accomplishments on a national scale.

    No national championships, no Heisman trophies, no national individual award winners, no college football hall of fame players...

    and no wins of any significance since they were invited to the PAC 12.

  • Provo4Life PROVO, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    First things first. Chris B you're comments are idiotic! That being said...
    There is nothing to be motivated for! They locked up bowl eligibilitya few weeks back and a bowl game months ago. Unless they were undefeated they don't have anything to play for. Coach Bronco Mendenhallsays, "But now the focus is really on how good we can get our team to be." Wake up call, not that great! The quality of opponents won't allow you too. You'll play at their level or be beating them by so much that others will have to play masking any real weaknesses.
    For senior center Terence Brown, "just playing football is enough motivation for me." Really? It obviously didn't motivate you to work on snapping. O Line play has been horrible for such an experienced line.
    I for one am sick of hearing how great this team is. Show me! Can't happen until next year, but I want better coaching, players and schedule!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    KamUte:

    Did Bronco specifically say the state championship he was aiming for was the "UTAH" state championship? Because if the Y beats Idaho this weekend, they might be able to back into an "IDAHO" state championship since BSU didn't play any Idaho teams this year.

    Why WOULDN'T the Y be able to back into an Idaho state championship with a weak Idaho SOS, and having never faced a ranked Idaho opponent? That strategy worked back in '84...

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:31 p.m.

    Chris B

    Please tell us what your team has done in the last 15 games to make anyone in the country believe you are relevant at all?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    byu was a powerhouse in the 80's because of breakthroughs in offensive efficiency. Unfortunately, coaching has more than caught up with what byu could exploit 30 years ago.

    byu fans -

    Please tell me what your team has done in the past 10 years to make anyone in the country believe you ever have a chance at national relevance again?

    This ought to be good..

    Waiting....

    ?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    This program will never be relevant nationally again.

    It is the choice you have made by forcing athletes away from your school with the honor code.

    it's your choice. Now stop believing you ever have a shot at a BCS win.

    You dont.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    "Going into the season, Mendenhall and some players stated that the goal moving forward as an independent was to win a state championship and a national championship. This season, dreams of a national title disappeared following a 17-16 loss at Texas. The following week, a chance for a state title was erased with a 54-10 loss against Utah."

    Ouch!

    Where is the motivation? Hopefully the faithful can get up for Idaho.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    "But now the focus is really on how good we can get our team to be". I'm not sure how playing Idaho and New Mex St. is going to gauge how good or bad you are Bronco.

    Also, Bronco says his teams gained momentum after getting beat by TCU. What a bunch of hooey. I have never heard a coach claim anything good to be gained by losing. BYU was down BIG for a good portion of this game and came back to make it semi-respectable losing by 10. That translates somehow to momentum?? Yikes.. BYU is in trouble.

  • truthserum LEHI, UT
    Nov. 8, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Let's call a spade a spade.... ESPN exposure has been great. Playing lame schools has been, well, lame. Independence just isn't what we thought it was going to be. However, I'm not sure if the Big East is the answer. Air Force? Boise? Houston? The Big East??? Yuck.