Its great BYU is going to play Hawaii, because BYU could have played 13 games
instead of 12 when playing Hawaii in Hawaii. Why BYU didn't take that
opportunity is beyond logic and instead BYU's 2011 schedule had five teams that
haven't played in a post season bowl game since the BCS system was established.
Other Division 1A independents in football have a tougher schedule than BYU, but
maybe BYU was ensuring that they could have more wins in the season versus
trying to be BCS bowl eligible. See the schedule for 2012 and will be a repeat
of 2011 on strength of schedule? If it is, BYU's sports revenue and Cougar Club
membership will see a decrease.
To: sammyg | 7:10 p.m. Nov. 7, 2011 Springville, UT - To help clarify this
situation, being affiliated with the PAC12 is a far better situation than having
an independent football program that plays twice in November and takes on the
likes of the Univ. of Idaho. Second, the rest of the athletic programs are
scattered between different conferences and affiliations. This simply is no way
to run a first class athletic program. The Cougars have lost their rivalry games
and associations. The jury is still out as to whether this football program will
survive. Jumping to the Big East for football only does not help the situation.
The Univ. of Utah had a great opportunity and took advanatge of it. They made
the right decision for them. BYU going independent in football has been a bust
so far. Do you really think it is great to watch BYU play Univ. of Idaho and
Idaho State on TV? No one else does. BYU football used to mean something. Right
now the ship is adrift.
54-10,Obviously, you are free to babble on regarding some alternate
reality from who knows where. What Y fans who are satisfied with the current
schedule? You may be referring to the mature, stable readers who realize, as Y
Dad so aptly stated, that it is what it is and will take some time to come
together. I was recently matched up in a tennis match with a player ranked
one notch below me. After the match the gentleman, out of frustration and as if
I should feel guilty, asked me how it felt to beat someone at his lower level.
My response was simply, "it's a lot better than losing to you!" The
team can't control who they're scheduled against so, since the competition is
supposedly inferior are they supposed to feel guilty for winning? And, we as
fans are not allowed to enjoy a victory? I have a feeling 54-10 is about all
you have to celebrate in life, judging by your lame posts. Now that's sad.
54-10As a Y fan, I really don't care about this year's schedule, nor
next year's. It is what it is, an uncontrollable chain of events in BYU football
and something that will develop into something far better than a lousy Pac 10.2
conference affiliation.I guess it's the 'classic study' types that
think scheduling is done a week or two ahead of time in all leagues from Mighty
Mites all the way to the NFL. Some people even think schedules just happen
randomly as well.It's understandable as I consider the several
sources of comments here.Here's current event nugget for you as
well...The Pac 10.2 affiliation is nothing more than Obamanomics at
its best. Let me explain...Stanford, Oregon and other storied
programs are like the Wall Street types. They make the BIG money.Utah and CU have not make big money. They are like the 'Occupy' protesters
that want the money from the Wall Street types without working for it.Hopefully this explains a couple of things.
Cougar "fans" don't care about the strength of schedule. The BYU
schedule is ranked the 109th most difficult out of 120 schools yet there are
always comments from the "fans" how their schedule is as difficult as
anyones. Most fans want their team to compete at the highest level, BYU
"fans" just want a glossy record. Even the Dnews sports writers who
cover BYU write how the Big East would be better for BYU than the Big 12 because
it would provide an easier path to a BCS game.Sad.
@slc BYU fan aka "kosta fesenko", "duckhunter hunter",
"hondo", "officer coolguy", "articuno BYU",
etc.You are fooling no one but you look more the fool with every
BYU and the Big East are talking. I have no idea what the BYU leaders want, they
certainly wanted the Big 12. I URGE them to seize this new opportunity. I do not
know, but surely the Big East is more willing to deal with BYU's rather
complicated Tv and Exposure ambitions. It does ask a lot, you know. I feel, as a
Mountaineer also, that my state university has made a grave error and is headed
for genteel poverty as a country cousin in the Big 12. I see both the old and
new members of the Big East as BYU kind of people, that as schools, they are
much finer institutions than the Big 12. BYU has traveled to Georgia, Virginia,
Fla, and Phil and Boston in the past, The new Big East would give them that plus
a regional identity with the rising schools of the future... Houston, UCF (the
largest college in Fla) SMU (coach Jones is a genius)plus natural rivals Boise
and Air Force.
Fellow Y fans, when we respond in snap shot observations of what a conference
may or may not add up to right now, we are only elevating the appearance of
jealousy. As a Y fan and not a U hater, I am one football enthusiast
who feels it elevates both programs by having the U in the Pac 12. To point out
current weaknesses in any of the Pac 12 teams at the moment is short sighted
going forward and past ignorant looking back. Every single program in their
conference has had highs and lows, but, overall as a conference it remains,
along with the Big 10 and 12 and of course the SEC, as one of the toughest
places to compete and an absolute attraction for high level recruits. If not for
the religious conflict of interest, I would love to have seen the Y part of
it.That said, I hope that the current season scheduling is, as the
article points out, due to only 3 months lead time to get it done and that the
future looks more like Notre Dames schedule than Slippery Rock State's.
Uncle RicoCU and Wazoooooo are no different than ANY Wac or pee wee
team. Zona and UCLA are below average at best. Byu's schedule will get better in
the years to come. The Utesies schedule will still have CU, wazzooooo and all
the other Pac fodder year after year.
Coach Mendenhall said in this article "we're playing good football".
Wow. Is he seeing something we aren't? Unbelievable statement. This tour of
Idaho and then New Mexico State and finally Hawaii. What an awesome schedule.
Uh huh. This season is horrible by any objective measure. I don't know about
the rest of you people, but I'm ready for some collegiate basketball.
Apparently there we will either have an abreviated or no NBA.
Oooops. By tearing down BYU.Freudian slip?
Man the gnashing of teeth just continues to grow.First I am really
impressed that the haters can keep reading this stuff and then make the same
comments, over and over and over.Second, I am really impressed with
their ability to take selective items out of context to make a statement.
Things like "this November schedule PROVES that independence was a failure
for ALL TIME." Three month's to build a national schedule that normally is
built 8 years in advance?Third, their un-ending need to establish
credibility for Utah by tearing down Utah is also impressive. Can we be honest
for a moment? BYU is proving to be mediocre this year. Not the team or the
season we envisioned for our first year of independence. Utah is proving to be
mediocre this year. Not the team or the season you envisioned for your first
year in the PAC. Utah owns scoreboard this year on BYU big time. Thats it.
Thats all.Independence is still proving to be way better than our
other option was - holding pat. End of story, thanks for reading!
While it's true that November is weak, December is decent with games against
Hawaii and likely a very good Tulsa team whose only losses are to three Top 10
teams.I'm not sure why everyone is grumbling, we knew independence
would be like this the first two years. 2013 is already looking like a better
schedule, with Notre Dame in November. Hawaii, Boise State and Notre Dame will
all turn into late October, November games for the Cougs.
As usual, the blog is overrun with spam from our jealous little brothers and
utah trolls pretending to be BYU fans.Despite the naysaying from the
uninformed, BYU's schedule will continue to improve.Utah will
forever be a mid-major stuck in a major conference; occassional good showings
against fellow conference bottom dwellers, like Arizona and Oregon State,
surrounded by beatdowns from the big boys of the conference.Enjoy
your bottom dweller irrelevance. Washington State welcomes the company.
More reasons to "Consider" the Big East.-Scheduling
problems go away, Boise St. becomes your year ending "Rivailry"
game.-Bronco's dream of playing the Academies every year, is built
in. (2/3).-Conference Championship is on the line, with a BCS bowl
berth as the payoff.and Not...-BYU's eposure takes a
hit. No way ESPN does 10 BYU games.-Revenue is cut in half by
joining the Big East.-Restrictions by the League will not sit well
with fans and the Administration.
Idaho and New Mexico State are both better than New Mexico. And they are both
on a par with Washington State and Colorado (Utah's two final opponents).
First, let's talk reality for a moment. The November schedule for BYU in 2011 is
pathetic. When most schools are gearing up for their most important games, BYU
is playing only twice in November with the likes of the Univ. of Idaho. Yes,
independence has not been the great thing it was promoted to be. This year has
been a disaster for a once great football program. To be honest, yes, there is
talk everyhwere of just how much longer BYU will be playing football. The legacy
of a once great program is slowly fading into the night. Basically, this season
is over and the last 2 games of the year are meaningless. Simply throw in the
towel and let's get to work putting this program back into a conference or shut
SLCI checked the football games played on Sunday, Espn schedule
shows 6 games so far this season. 3 are Hawaii, which in actuality are started
on the islands on Saturday, but finished on Sunday on the mainland. Three others
were in the first week of the season, mainly to start the season off.I don't think the ncaa or conferences are set to start Sunday play. Dream on, the y will not let it go and will work a good strong schedule with
other indy for Nov. Navy, Army and ND will be part of the schedule later.Sunday play for bb might enter into the discussions but the programs of
the y are good enough to work with and around.To all who want to
compare the y with the u, get a life. I want all the teams from utah to win. I
want to see the kids from the state to do well, NFL players, from the state, ie
Paul Krueger, etc. I don't care which school they went to, just that they are
from utah.Go all the utah teams.
First, the Big 12 and the Big East are both short on teams and conference
schedules next year. BYU should do all it can to be that fill-in ASAP.Second, please stop with the dropping football comments, you embarrass
yourselves with that stuff. There has been no discussion of it at all, other
than ignorant, anonymous comments on boards like this.Missouri made
its SEC move announcement...time to start more Big 12 rumor mongering!
Notre Dame along with the two east coast service academies have many more
options for November schedules than does BYU. November is the biggest argument
on why BYU should try and join the Big 12. While the presidents/chancellors of
the Big 12 want BYU, the media partners particularly FOX TV Sports do not want
the Cougars due to their strict "no Sunday play" policy. Along with
the obvious conflict of "training players for the NFL" being the
Sunday play operation that it is is why there is more talk behind the scenes of
BYU ultimately deciding to drop football and limit intercollegiate athletics to
what the West Coast Conference offers.
How come USU gets to play all the WAC teams, and BYU only gets to play the worst
5 teams in the conference?How come BYU doesn't get to play Nevada in
the WAC championship game?
BYU has a great November schedule. 2 byes and home games against Idaho and New
Mexico State. Is BYU going to change its name to BYE?
The Team in Provo will be playing for a spot in the Armed Forces Bowl each year
and nothing more. The Cougars lose to good teams and are only able to beat the
likes of Idaho State. That doesn't impress anyone outside of Provo.Though the Provo team has a better record, everyone knows the Utes are having
a much better season. Two of Utah's wins were BYU-esque -- one against a DIV.
AA team and one against a non-BCS mid-major -- but road wins vs.
"real" BCS programs have been impressive.The Utes will end
with a better season than the Provo team and a better bowl. However, it's not a
fair measuring stick for Utah anymore since the Provo team's a small mid-major.
how will these byes and weak schedules in Nov help in sucuring a bcs bowl if BYU
gets close to a bid
It's ok and understandable for these first couple of seasons.No one
cares about what other people say. Other than Utah fans this is a non-story,
it's temporary, and in the end BYU will be playing some great programs.2013 will be a great year.
November scheduling is the only negative that I see regarding the whole
independence issue. It seems now that most conferences prohibit/discourage
out-of-conference games over the last half of their season. But if
two of the four games in November can be BCS-type competition, I'd prefer
remaining an independent.
"I think we'll be very healthy. It's the healthiest our team has been this
late in the season"I guess its easier to stay healthy when you
play every community college in Idaho 5 weeks in a row?
BYU is making the transition to becoming an FCS school.