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BYU football: November scheduling tough for Cougars

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  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Nov. 9, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Its great BYU is going to play Hawaii, because BYU could have played 13 games instead of 12 when playing Hawaii in Hawaii. Why BYU didn't take that opportunity is beyond logic and instead BYU's 2011 schedule had five teams that haven't played in a post season bowl game since the BCS system was established. Other Division 1A independents in football have a tougher schedule than BYU, but maybe BYU was ensuring that they could have more wins in the season versus trying to be BCS bowl eligible. See the schedule for 2012 and will be a repeat of 2011 on strength of schedule? If it is, BYU's sports revenue and Cougar Club membership will see a decrease.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 8, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    To: sammyg | 7:10 p.m. Nov. 7, 2011 Springville, UT - To help clarify this situation, being affiliated with the PAC12 is a far better situation than having an independent football program that plays twice in November and takes on the likes of the Univ. of Idaho. Second, the rest of the athletic programs are scattered between different conferences and affiliations. This simply is no way to run a first class athletic program. The Cougars have lost their rivalry games and associations. The jury is still out as to whether this football program will survive. Jumping to the Big East for football only does not help the situation. The Univ. of Utah had a great opportunity and took advanatge of it. They made the right decision for them. BYU going independent in football has been a bust so far. Do you really think it is great to watch BYU play Univ. of Idaho and Idaho State on TV? No one else does. BYU football used to mean something. Right now the ship is adrift.

  • CalmDown Saint George, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    54-10,

    Obviously, you are free to babble on regarding some alternate reality from who knows where. What Y fans who are satisfied with the current schedule? You may be referring to the mature, stable readers who realize, as Y Dad so aptly stated, that it is what it is and will take some time to come together.
    I was recently matched up in a tennis match with a player ranked one notch below me. After the match the gentleman, out of frustration and as if I should feel guilty, asked me how it felt to beat someone at his lower level. My response was simply, "it's a lot better than losing to you!" The team can't control who they're scheduled against so, since the competition is supposedly inferior are they supposed to feel guilty for winning? And, we as fans are not allowed to enjoy a victory? I have a feeling 54-10 is about all you have to celebrate in life, judging by your lame posts. Now that's sad.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    54-10

    As a Y fan, I really don't care about this year's schedule, nor next year's. It is what it is, an uncontrollable chain of events in BYU football and something that will develop into something far better than a lousy Pac 10.2 conference affiliation.

    I guess it's the 'classic study' types that think scheduling is done a week or two ahead of time in all leagues from Mighty Mites all the way to the NFL. Some people even think schedules just happen randomly as well.

    It's understandable as I consider the several sources of comments here.

    Here's current event nugget for you as well...

    The Pac 10.2 affiliation is nothing more than Obamanomics at its best. Let me explain...

    Stanford, Oregon and other storied programs are like the Wall Street types. They make the BIG money.

    Utah and CU have not make big money. They are like the 'Occupy' protesters that want the money from the Wall Street types without working for it.

    Hopefully this explains a couple of things.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Cougar "fans" don't care about the strength of schedule. The BYU schedule is ranked the 109th most difficult out of 120 schools yet there are always comments from the "fans" how their schedule is as difficult as anyones. Most fans want their team to compete at the highest level, BYU "fans" just want a glossy record. Even the Dnews sports writers who cover BYU write how the Big East would be better for BYU than the Big 12 because it would provide an easier path to a BCS game.

    Sad.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    @slc BYU fan aka "kosta fesenko", "duckhunter hunter", "hondo", "officer coolguy", "articuno BYU", etc.

    You are fooling no one but you look more the fool with every post.

  • abejones SCOTT DEPOT, WV
    Nov. 7, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    BYU and the Big East are talking. I have no idea what the BYU leaders want, they certainly wanted the Big 12. I URGE them to seize this new opportunity. I do not know, but surely the Big East is more willing to deal with BYU's rather complicated Tv and Exposure ambitions. It does ask a lot, you know. I feel, as a Mountaineer also, that my state university has made a grave error and is headed for genteel poverty as a country cousin in the Big 12. I see both the old and new members of the Big East as BYU kind of people, that as schools, they are much finer institutions than the Big 12. BYU has traveled to Georgia, Virginia, Fla, and Phil and Boston in the past, The new Big East would give them that plus a regional identity with the rising schools of the future... Houston, UCF (the largest college in Fla) SMU (coach Jones is a genius)plus natural rivals Boise and Air Force.

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Fellow Y fans, when we respond in snap shot observations of what a conference may or may not add up to right now, we are only elevating the appearance of jealousy.

    As a Y fan and not a U hater, I am one football enthusiast who feels it elevates both programs by having the U in the Pac 12. To point out current weaknesses in any of the Pac 12 teams at the moment is short sighted going forward and past ignorant looking back. Every single program in their conference has had highs and lows, but, overall as a conference it remains, along with the Big 10 and 12 and of course the SEC, as one of the toughest places to compete and an absolute attraction for high level recruits. If not for the religious conflict of interest, I would love to have seen the Y part of it.

    That said, I hope that the current season scheduling is, as the article points out, due to only 3 months lead time to get it done and that the future looks more like Notre Dames schedule than Slippery Rock State's.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Uncle Rico

    CU and Wazoooooo are no different than ANY Wac or pee wee team. Zona and UCLA are below average at best. Byu's schedule will get better in the years to come. The Utesies schedule will still have CU, wazzooooo and all the other Pac fodder year after year.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Coach Mendenhall said in this article "we're playing good football". Wow. Is he seeing something we aren't? Unbelievable statement. This tour of Idaho and then New Mexico State and finally Hawaii. What an awesome schedule. Uh huh. This season is horrible by any objective measure. I don't know about the rest of you people, but I'm ready for some collegiate basketball. Apparently there we will either have an abreviated or no NBA.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 7, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    Oooops. By tearing down BYU.

    Freudian slip?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 7, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    Man the gnashing of teeth just continues to grow.

    First I am really impressed that the haters can keep reading this stuff and then make the same comments, over and over and over.

    Second, I am really impressed with their ability to take selective items out of context to make a statement. Things like "this November schedule PROVES that independence was a failure for ALL TIME." Three month's to build a national schedule that normally is built 8 years in advance?

    Third, their un-ending need to establish credibility for Utah by tearing down Utah is also impressive. Can we be honest for a moment? BYU is proving to be mediocre this year. Not the team or the season we envisioned for our first year of independence. Utah is proving to be mediocre this year. Not the team or the season you envisioned for your first year in the PAC. Utah owns scoreboard this year on BYU big time. Thats it. Thats all.

    Independence is still proving to be way better than our other option was - holding pat. End of story, thanks for reading!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 7, 2011 7:07 a.m.

    While it's true that November is weak, December is decent with games against Hawaii and likely a very good Tulsa team whose only losses are to three Top 10 teams.

    I'm not sure why everyone is grumbling, we knew independence would be like this the first two years. 2013 is already looking like a better schedule, with Notre Dame in November. Hawaii, Boise State and Notre Dame will all turn into late October, November games for the Cougs.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 6:47 a.m.

    As usual, the blog is overrun with spam from our jealous little brothers and utah trolls pretending to be BYU fans.

    Despite the naysaying from the uninformed, BYU's schedule will continue to improve.

    Utah will forever be a mid-major stuck in a major conference; occassional good showings against fellow conference bottom dwellers, like Arizona and Oregon State, surrounded by beatdowns from the big boys of the conference.

    Enjoy your bottom dweller irrelevance. Washington State welcomes the company.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 5:42 a.m.

    More reasons to "Consider" the Big East.

    -Scheduling problems go away, Boise St. becomes your year ending "Rivailry" game.

    -Bronco's dream of playing the Academies every year, is built in. (2/3).

    -Conference Championship is on the line, with a BCS bowl berth as the payoff.

    and Not...

    -BYU's eposure takes a hit. No way ESPN does 10 BYU games.

    -Revenue is cut in half by joining the Big East.

    -Restrictions by the League will not sit well with fans and the Administration.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Nov. 7, 2011 5:33 a.m.

    Idaho and New Mexico State are both better than New Mexico. And they are both on a par with Washington State and Colorado (Utah's two final opponents).

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    First, let's talk reality for a moment. The November schedule for BYU in 2011 is pathetic. When most schools are gearing up for their most important games, BYU is playing only twice in November with the likes of the Univ. of Idaho. Yes, independence has not been the great thing it was promoted to be. This year has been a disaster for a once great football program. To be honest, yes, there is talk everyhwere of just how much longer BYU will be playing football. The legacy of a once great program is slowly fading into the night. Basically, this season is over and the last 2 games of the year are meaningless. Simply throw in the towel and let's get to work putting this program back into a conference or shut it down.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    SLC

    I checked the football games played on Sunday, Espn schedule shows 6 games so far this season. 3 are Hawaii, which in actuality are started on the islands on Saturday, but finished on Sunday on the mainland. Three others were in the first week of the season, mainly to start the season off.

    I don't think the ncaa or conferences are set to start Sunday play.

    Dream on, the y will not let it go and will work a good strong schedule with other indy for Nov. Navy, Army and ND will be part of the schedule later.

    Sunday play for bb might enter into the discussions but the programs of the y are good enough to work with and around.

    To all who want to compare the y with the u, get a life. I want all the teams from utah to win. I want to see the kids from the state to do well, NFL players, from the state, ie Paul Krueger, etc. I don't care which school they went to, just that they are from utah.

    Go all the utah teams.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    SLC

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    First, the Big 12 and the Big East are both short on teams and conference schedules next year. BYU should do all it can to be that fill-in ASAP.

    Second, please stop with the dropping football comments, you embarrass yourselves with that stuff. There has been no discussion of it at all, other than ignorant, anonymous comments on boards like this.

    Missouri made its SEC move announcement...time to start more Big 12 rumor mongering!

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    Notre Dame along with the two east coast service academies have many more options for November schedules than does BYU. November is the biggest argument on why BYU should try and join the Big 12. While the presidents/chancellors of the Big 12 want BYU, the media partners particularly FOX TV Sports do not want the Cougars due to their strict "no Sunday play" policy. Along with the obvious conflict of "training players for the NFL" being the Sunday play operation that it is is why there is more talk behind the scenes of BYU ultimately deciding to drop football and limit intercollegiate athletics to what the West Coast Conference offers.

  • LoveTheRockyMtns Orem, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    How come USU gets to play all the WAC teams, and BYU only gets to play the worst 5 teams in the conference?

    How come BYU doesn't get to play Nevada in the WAC championship game?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    BYU has a great November schedule. 2 byes and home games against Idaho and New Mexico State.

    Is BYU going to change its name to BYE?

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    The Team in Provo will be playing for a spot in the Armed Forces Bowl each year and nothing more. The Cougars lose to good teams and are only able to beat the likes of Idaho State. That doesn't impress anyone outside of Provo.

    Though the Provo team has a better record, everyone knows the Utes are having a much better season. Two of Utah's wins were BYU-esque -- one against a DIV. AA team and one against a non-BCS mid-major -- but road wins vs. "real" BCS programs have been impressive.

    The Utes will end with a better season than the Provo team and a better bowl. However, it's not a fair measuring stick for Utah anymore since the Provo team's a small mid-major.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    how will these byes and weak schedules in Nov help in sucuring a bcs bowl if BYU gets close to a bid

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    It's ok and understandable for these first couple of seasons.

    No one cares about what other people say. Other than Utah fans this is a non-story, it's temporary, and in the end BYU will be playing some great programs.

    2013 will be a great year.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    November scheduling is the only negative that I see regarding the whole independence issue. It seems now that most conferences prohibit/discourage out-of-conference games over the last half of their season.

    But if two of the four games in November can be BCS-type competition, I'd prefer remaining an independent.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    "I think we'll be very healthy. It's the healthiest our team has been this late in the season"

    I guess its easier to stay healthy when you play every community college in Idaho 5 weeks in a row?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 6:32 p.m.

    BYU is making the transition to becoming an FCS school.