There's nothing wrong with rivalries, and, no this one's not dead, just limping
along for the moment.But, some of you sure take this to a level of
immaturity that benefits you by hiding behind your user names. If you're not,
you should be embarrassed by how ridiculous some of these posts are.
Totally disagree with Rock on this one. Totally. The rivalry is
the same as ever and always will be. The last time my football buddies and I
talked about it was...let's see...last Friday? The idea that the
rivaly game in the past was always a prelude to a conference championship, bowl
game, or whatever, is silly. Check the facts on that one, it was not true most
of the time. And, who are the experts Rock refers to--himself?Of course, when the game is not played in November there won't be as
much hype about it in November. That's pretty obvious.But, so what?
As long as the game is played, it will be the biggest sporting even in the
state for the weeks preceeding the game. It is a gem of a game,
which needs to continue.Long live the rivalry!
Wow what an idiotic article. And, as usual, what a bunch of idiotic comments. I
didn't bother reading the second half of the article, or the second half of
comments, but my favorite response was from Keisel. Ya, cause it's not about the
rivalry, or the quality of opponent. It's about stadium size???? One of my other
favorites was from Internationalzoob. You can watch your team play the bottom
half of the WAC and 1AA schools on ESPN and byutv, so being independent is
BETTER than the Pac12?? Get real buddy. Anyone with half a brain knows that
Utah's situation in the Pac12 doesn't even compare to byu being in the IWC(
Independent WAC) And for the record, I live in Sandpoint Idaho. Just about in
Canada, and I have been able to watch EVERY Utah game on Dishnet except the
Montana St game, which I watched online
I have to laugh at all these cougar fans claiming Utah isn't their biggest
opponent of the season. We're the only team that has played to a sell-out crowd
in LES since Nov. 28, 2009. Or in other words, since the LAST time Utah played
@Truth MachineThe Utes haven't gone winless in the PAC :)The Provo school is no longer the biggest game on Utah's schedule -- not even
close. In fact, Saturday's game vs. Arizona was much, much bigger for the Utes
than that thing in September.Who's the biggest game each year on the
Provo school's schedule? We all know who it is. If you want to play the Utes,
agree to the RES-RES-LES rotation and at the beginning of the year.Utah calls the shots now.
@indianacoug no team in the sec (besides maybe ole miss) would schedule byu as a
"tough" opponent just ask tcu what they think. if patterson says he
would rather schedule a better team from a better conference than play byu if he
doesnt have to then thats saying something. but maybe not to you byu fans and
thats fine to the rest of the world.
Re: UteanymousAs I said frequently in a famous movie: "Back in
'82..."Unfortunately know one now cares what happened back
then. Maybe we should stop living in the past.Why don't you give us
a statistical break down of BYU's upcoming opponent Idaho?
The only reason BYU is a national brand is because it is affiliated with the LDS
church and there are LDS members throughout the nation...does this make sense to
all of you BYU fans claiming BYU is a national brand? You really think BYU
became a national brand based on WAC championships in the 80's? You have to be
kidding me right?@fightirishcoug "I can tell you, here in
the South East part of the country, nobody knows or cares who the Utah is. Utah
is a joke here. BYU, however, is well known and respected."I
have lived in Georgia and South Carolina, and I will tell you right now that BYU
is not anymore well known or respected than Utah...Actually after 2008 Utah is
more respected after beating down Bama!
I used to think that Ohio St fans were the most annoying and delusional fans in
the country. Boy was I wrong. BlueHusky, schedule fillers which include Utah in
your opinion don't usually beat another team in their house on prime time
national TV by 44 points. BYU should drop Utah for another BCS team such as
Indiana to save themselves from further embarrassment. If BYU beat Texas or ND
then it would be featured on ESPN? Oh man, give me a break! Keep the knee
RE: sportsman101"NOONE cares about byu especially teams from
the eastcoast byu is an idaho to them the same way idaho is to byu thats the
funny thing."I'm just a little curious how you came to this
conclusion? Last I checked ESPN wasn't doing random segments on the Idaho
vandals, but they did two on BYU this week. When I lived in Connecticut and
football season rolled around, miraculously all of my colleagues and neighbors
knew who the cougars were and that they had a pretty decent team. True, there
weren't a ton of BYU fans out there, but they certainly have a respected
program... Maybe you don't consider CT part of the "eastcoast??" I'm
amazed that this discussion board has become a "we're better than you"
thread considering how horrible both BYU and Utah are right now. Let's wait to
brag until one of these teams has actually accomplished something.
RE: bigutefan"Utah has hit elite status".Glad
to hear that all that is required to be "elite" is membership in a BCS
conference. I can now tell all my friends that Indiana University is elite,
thereby making me an elite person, right? I don't know why those from Michigan
and OSU didn't believe this obviously true fact before... Fortunately, a highly
regarded Ute fan--you know, a fan from that really prestigious
"research" school in SLC--said it's true, so I guess I am now part of
the elite. I will sleep well tonight. Thanks bigutefan
@bluehusky LOL you byu delusional fans will say anything to make your irrelevant
team look better than they really are. NOONE cares about byu especially teams
from the eastcoast byu is an idaho to them the same way idaho is to byu thats
the funny thing. byu isnt anyones rival everyone who you you said is THEIR
rival. when you can start pulling in more athletes from the southeast like utah
then you can say more ppl care about byu until then stop talkin, all you byu
fans are annoying to the rest of the world.
@UteanymousAnd no one besides BYU fans care about that national
championship that BYU won against a "very good" 6-6 Michigan team. But
by all means, keep living in the past because BYU isn't going to be relevant
anytime soon in the future. 1984 forever!
I'm a PAC12 guy and a BYU guy. As a Husky, we had three big rivals, USC, UCLA,
and Oregon. Washington State was not a real rivalry. We expected to beat WSU,
and did, most of the time. Beating USC was a big deal.Utah is a
non-entity in the PAC12. They are nobody's rival. Maybe they will be, but I
suspect they'll be average, winning a few games but not enough to hate, like we
do Oregon.BYU is completely different. It truly is a national brand,
and BYU playing Utah is no more important to someone in Oklahoma than BYU
playing Idaho. Utah is completely irrelevant to BYU's status. If BYU beats Utah,
the world will not much notice. If BYU beats Texas or ND, then it will be an
article in USA Today and featured on ESPN. Boise State vs BYU next year will be
the biggest game for BYU.BYU has no need to play Utah except as a
schedule filler. Drop Utah and give me anybody else in a BCS conference.This is now a meaningless rivalry for both sides.
Uncle Rico54-10 is using the score of the game as his screen name.
Nothing SCREAMS obsession like a fan who uses the score of supposedly
"meaningless" game as his moniker.MN UteThe
difference between BYU's period of dominance and Utah's period of dominance is
BYU has had success on a national scale - 17 Top 25 finishes in the last 34
years, while Utah has two BCS wins, and NOTHING else on a national scale.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman
TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5National Individual Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0National College Football Hall of FameBYU 6Utah 1 (no
players)BYU has almost as many AP Top 25 Finishes in the last five
years (4), as Utah has in its entire history.NOBODY, besides fans of
the rivalry care about head-to-head.
Truthmachine: nice job limiting the game list to favor BYU. Be fair and look at
it into the 3 clear periods of the program.1896-1971: Utah 41, BYU 81972-1992: Utah 2, BYU 191993-Now: Utah 12, BYU 7The cougars
had a great streak, not denying it, but give credit to the streak the Utes had
before yours and are having now. Also, BYU is no longer the biggest game
on the schedule, that was actually against USC, and then again against UW, and
then again against ASU, and then Cal, and then again next week vs. UCLA, because
those matter for bowls. I'm not saying the BYU game's not important, it
determines whether we can go undefeated or not (not saying we will, but you get
the point), but it's now just a non conference game.now, I have no doubt
BYU's offense is gonna get better with Tanner Mangum coming, but so will Utah's,
and our D remains strong. I wish the cougs the best luck, but I doubt you'll
find any scared Utes up here on the hill.
K, normally I don't like addressing hate-posts, but this is ridiculous. To both
the Ute and BYU fans, chill. 1. @fightirishcoug: you said that in
the past 12 years, the U of U has become an institution of hate. While I admit
many Ute posts are over the top, so are many BYU posts. Some of the posts I've
seen on both sides are insane in how malicious they are, but it's not just the
utes. Also, BYU and Notre Dame ARE better than the UofU in SOME areas of study.
I'm studying biomed, and I picked the U over MN, Madison, and Purdue because
it's ranked the same and leaves ND and BYU in the dust in the rankings. BYU is
an incredible accounting school, and ND is great, I don't deny that, but give a
good college the credit it's due.
Re: Truth Machine No BYU is not Utah's biggest game.However when BYU comes and talks trash about Utah, we can naturally bring up
the head to head game to prove the point the Utah is better.
Who am I sir? "winning often meant a conference
championship"Not for Utah, which has only won 6 conference
championships in the last 60 years.Utah fans are simply scared of
BYU and are just trying to limit the pain when the worm turns again and BYU
starts dominating the series again, like the Cougars have for the last 40 years
- BYU 26 Utah 14 since 1972.
54-10... proves, that regardless of how much Utah fans (or
disconnected sportswriters) may try to downplay the rivalry, BYU will always be
the biggest game on Utah's schedule.Utah fans would rather go
winless in the PAC 12 than lose to BYU 56-6 in RES.
"A lot of BYU fans nowadays would trade a win over Utah for a win over
TCU."You can't trade what you don't have.
Personally I am happy to see the rivalry end. When I was a student, first at
BYU and then Notre Dame, football was secondary to academics, both schools are
far superior to schools, such as U of U. Even though my father was an alum and a
professor at Utah, we cheered for both schools when they were not playing each
other. The U of U, unfortunately in the past ten to twelve years has because
an institution of hate. I can tell you, here in the South East part of the
country, nobody knows or cares who the Utah is. Utah is a joke here. BYU,
however, is well known and respected.
It isn't just having "something to play for" though. BYU and USU had
a great rivalry when you were never sure who would win. Now if USU wins or even
comes close its time to fire coaches and bench players.I think that
may be happening in the Utah BYU rivalry. When the odds were very even it was a
great game. Now Utah is beginning to pull away, having won three out of four
games. With the recruiting advantage Utah has from being in the PAC-12, I
suspect you will see more lopsided scores such as this year's 54-10 shellacking
in the future. Then the Utah BYU game will go the way of the BYU USU series. It
will be played occasionally and nobody will get too worked up about it.
I don't understand how moving the BYU-Utah game to the beginning of the year or
the change in conferences minimize the rivalry. USC and Notre Dame have never
been in the same conference and it is a great game. I know it is at the end of
I would trade a win over Utah for one over TCU. Maybe its just because if we can
beat TCU we can beat Utah.
@bigutefan,I think that you need to check your history books. BYU
has played home and home series with pac10 teams for years. Including legit
"elite teams" like UW, USC, UCLA, and Cal and Oregon as well as bottom
of the pac teams like Oregon St, WSU, ASU and U of A. There is not a requirement
from the pac10 for 2:1 scheduling, and as a bottom of the pac team they don't
have the credibility to make such demands with their quaint little home field.
Cougs would never trade a victory over utah for a victory over tcu. The rivalry
game is still in the minds and water cooler discussions whenever alumni of the 2
schools start talking college football. Suggestion to Brad - buy a
watercooler for the newsroom.
OK, so times are changing. What should be done about it? I can't tell if this is
crying about Utah's elevation, an attempt to poke a stick into the BYU fan hive,
or unhappiness that a writer will have to develop more than the same tired
themes for his paper. What was the point of this, Brad?
All BYU games are televised on ESPN or BYUtv! That means I get to watch all
their games here in Korea. Nobody is talking about the Utes outside
of Utah because you can't watch their games. I think BYU has the much better
deal! I am loving Independence and I don't really see the benefits of going to
a conference like the PAC12 where very few people get to watch you play.
I have not even bothered to read the rest of the comments on this article but
here are my personal feelings as a cougar fan for what its worth.I
respect Utah, but have a mild dislike for them.I think Utah fans are the
most annoying fans on the face of the earth.Unless Utah is playing BYU I
cheer for them.I think Utah has a classy and outstanding coaching staff,
possibly the best in the country.Utah players are some of the nicest I
have met.The rivalry means nothing to me anymore.
@ KieselIn case you haven't heard, Utah is a BCS school, your team
is still a non-BCS school. Most teams that the PAC-12 signs contracts with for
out of conference games are 2-1 home/away games. Has nothing to do with your
stadium. Utah has hit elite status. In order to keep the rivalry, BYU is going
to have to concede and play 2-1 games or the rivalry will end. If the PAC-12
makes it mandatory, which they very well could, then BYU will have some thinking
to do. I miss the games being at the end of the year, but from here on out, Utah
is going to dominate Provo. The game needs to be in the beginning of a season to
gain confidence. I know Provo fans won't understand this, but Utah has now
played 7 BCS games in a row, it's a whole different world, and unfortunately
nobody is knocking on the door in Provo. Time to examine why that is and how to
get it together. Less drama would be a good start!
"Granted in recent years as Utah has become more competitive, the game has
gained a certain degree of infamy due to classless fans, media, and too often
players."--deibuMust we always bring up Max Hall...
Re: Keisels Beard "Why would BYU accept a 2 for 1 against a
team with a smaller stadium? "So they could play a non-Wac team
in November.Independence : being in the WAC but not playing the top
3 teams in the conference.
"What if Utah went to the Pac-12, and got permission to play BYU in
November, under the condition that for there are 2 games at RES for every 1 game
at LES. "Why would BYU accept a 2 for 1 against a team with a
@Uncle RicoYou just don't get it. Many Utah fans and others
associated with the Utah program just don't want to play BYU every year. Not
even on a 2 home games for 1 basis. It has to do with only three non conference
games available. Why exclude Utah State for BYU? Why limit our games to teams
west of Denver? Our rivalry was great when we were in the same conference(s) -
winning often meant a conference championship. But not any more... we have
BYU's biggest rivalry these days comes in beating up on itself. I can't believe
how poorly they have played in the games that really mattered. A BCS Conference
is a pipe dream.
I admit the Utah game has never had any special significance for me as a fan,
not being from Utah. When I was at BYU the big games were against Washington or
Miami or Oregon, etc. Granted in recent years as Utah has become more
competitive, the game has gained a certain degree of infamy due to classless
fans, media, and too often players. Under current TV arrangements, the BYU-Utah
game will probably be a game I can only watch every other year. Let's face it,
if it is not on national TV most people outside of Utah simply don't care. On
the flip side, I am amazed at the number of people who now talk BYU football
with me on Monday morning--even during a less than brilliant year. Anyway, for
me, BYU-Utah will continue to just be another game on the schedule against a
quality PAC 12 opponent. This is probably the feeling of most non-Utahns. That
said, there will always be a rivalry, although hopefully one with a lot less
embarrassing nastiness, for those who are from Utah.
BYU is desperate to fill out November scheduling. They hardly have any future
opponents scheduled in November that are not in the WAC.Stanford
plays Notre Dame in November. Other Pac teams play other non-conference teams
in November.What if Utah went to the Pac-12, and got permission to
play BYU in November, under the condition that for there are 2 games at RES for
every 1 game at LES. BYU would then have something to look forward
to in November instead of byes and Wac games.
To Brad Rock,Couldn't disagree more. The rivalry indeed feels
different, but it is not over or irrelevant. Of course it is not being talked
about as much this November. Duh. The game was moved to September. How often
was the game talked about in August or September of each year when it was played
in November. Your argument is like saying that Christmas is less relevant or
fading because people talk about it less in July. Yes, we have all moved on
from the game and it feels funny to be in November and not have things heating
up for it, but it will still be intense next year. Are you saying that BYU fans
are not going to want some big time revenge next year for the smack down they
received this year? Are you saying Ute fans will not want another beating over
their rivals to the south? Contrary to your recent conversatinos, the game has
come up in my conversations as of late. So far it is one of the big highlights
of the Utes' season, which has had many low lights. The rivalry is a lot of fun
and I disagree that it is fading.
@ AK Cougar"The game is obviously more important to Utes than
Cougars"Of course you would say that considering your school is
on the losing end of the overall rivalry record.
The game is obviously more important to Utes than Cougars.
Remember that one year when Utah put a smack down on BYU 54-10 at LES?Good times.
anyone who reads the comment boards on here knows it still means something. I
agree that it's different though.
A 54-10 beat down at LES and 7 Utah wins in the last 10 games.Enough