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2012 race likely to be close, tough, maybe brutal


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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    A close and tough race? Doesn't show much wisdom of our people.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Nov. 7, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    Story writes:
    "He said he fears that a lot of conservatives will sit out the 2012 election if Romney is the nominee.
    From what i have read the past year that is not the case. The conservatives will vote for whomever their nominee is. Anyone besides Obama. And frankly, I don't blame them.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    I guess if people are content with the current economy and want 4 more years of the same misery then the election will be close. For those who actually have a clue what's going on and understand the grave mess Obama has created then this next election is a no brainer. The question really is - how many percentage wise have a clue and how many are clueless?

  • Hubble65 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    I would love to see a moderate Republican get elected. However, I don't think that is going to happen. All measures show the economy is slowly growing and there are some predictions from some conservative think tanks that say barring a European crisis, the economy should be doing fine by fall of 2011. I don't think anyone in the Republican Party is shoe in and no one there really appeals to me. The independent voter and the working mom are the ones that will determine this election. I also believe that the Republican strategy of do nothing is going to haunt them. I can hear them being called the Do Nothing Party except for the rich and for corporations and people being turned off by that. I'm not sure the President wins but I'm leaning that he will. He is a stellar campaigner and much better than the monkeys the Republicans are putting up. Bottom line, if both the Republican candidates and Obama are in a boat and it sinks who is saved? The country and that is perhaps the sorriest thing of all.

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Screwdriver: Democrats controlled both houses of Congress for two years and Obama pretty much had his way, but obviously that has not helped the economy.
    In fact it made things worse by increasing government spending and debt.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:28 p.m.


    Find those remarks or let me know where to find them. Be specific. Don't put out names unless you can give sources.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Spending less means GOVERNMENT job loss, not private sector job loss, unless that private sector company is spending "government" money.

    Government workers are among the highest paid workers in America. Many of them are doing redundant jobs. Many could be fired without reducing the efficiency of government.

    Mr. Obama's solution to job creation is to hire more government workers. He has never realized that non-governmental people pay the taxes that pay the wages of government workers. No revenue is coming in, yet he wants to increase expenditures. That's certain failure.

    Anyone else in any party is more qualified to fill the office of President than Mr. Obama. Mr. Obama is a total and complete failure as President.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Mick - reference many remarks by LDS leaders in the past before 1978, specifically Mark E. Peterson, and numerous remarks about Martin Luther King being a communist, etc.

    International Cougar Fan - most Americans lost about 10% in wages over the past 10 years. While it's unAmerican to suggest that the top 1% - who saw an increase of 275% in the past 10 years - should shoulder more of the tax burden, that means the shrinking middle class has to pay for the military budget, and everything else. Well, guess what, we don't have the money. If you believe that grandma should take a 20% cut in retirement, while the military is untouched, you're probably going to have more Americans disagree with you than agree with you.

    It's wrenching to see military families and those who benefit from military spending suffer along with most of the nation, it's simply inevitable, especially as we expect those at the top - the job givers - to avoid more of the tax burden.

    Mitt Romney or anyone else is not going to reverse globalization, but just as the Democrats laid all the blame on GWB, the GOP will finger Obama as being the source of all problems.

  • SLMG Murtoa Australia, Victoria
    Nov. 6, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    Everyone keeps rattling on about Obama and what he has or has not accomplished, when this article is about the Republican Party and there picking a viable candidate. The Republican Party keeps tearing it's self apart with it's in fighting, with no end in sight. Why can't they find a candidate that could win the election and be good for the country at the same time, because none of the candidates running right now fill the bill, everyone carries to much baggage. Give me a good honest Republican candidate that isn't all huff and puff and I will vote for him/her if not I will stay with Obama because he is just as good right now as anyone that the GOP is offering.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 12:47 p.m.

    @what in tucket
    "Isn't it a no brainer that less spending, lower taxes, less red tape would get our economy going? "

    Less spending leads to jobs being lost. Lower taxes don't mean a thing, we already have the lowest tax rates in half a century. Less red tape means more capacity for financial institutions to mess around like they did to cause this recession in the first place. If I had to come up with a plan to destroy this economy more than it has... I'd go with your plan.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    @Roland Kayser:

    Here are two of several articles on the topic.

    (1.) By MATTHEW MOSK, BRIAN ROSS (@brianross) and RONNIE GREENE
    Oct. 20, 2011

    With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

    (2.) Obama administration to support offshore drilling in Brazil

    Posted by Steve M on August 18, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Share via e-mail

    The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazils state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazils Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazils planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials.

  • The_Kaiser Holladay, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    Spending is the number one issue period.

    The Soviet's economy didn't collapse because of the lack of a strong military...

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 10:52 a.m.


    Is Operation "Fast and Furious" considered foreign policy?

  • speed66 Heber City, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    The real issue here is the lack of leadership and a leading voice for the GOP.

    So far they have only attacked and have done very little to lay out a meaningful plan - unless you count the various flat tax atrocities. Romney is going to have a very tough time in the general. His casual relationship with the truth, lack of authenticity and his close ties to wall street are not going to play well. His tax plan is absurd. I encourage all to read it and the analysis thereof.

    Unfortunately, he is also going to have defend the GOP's hijacking of the Senate now requiring 60 votes instead of 51 to pass every thing.

    The worst part about the upcoming election isn't the nasty ads and rhetoric, it's the refusal by the GOP to get anything done. Despite the overwhelming majority of Americans agreeing with the premise behind the "Buffett" rule, they still refuse to do anything.

    It may well be a time for the US to adopt a multi-party system. It feels to too many of us that both of the current camps are simply too corrupt to get anything meaningful done.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    isn't it amazing that after 6 + years since the 2006 election when the Democrats took over Congress that people still think Obama is up to being president? Time for the adults to take over. In China, India, Russia they realized socialism wasn't doing it for them and became capitalists. We on the other hand are headed toward socialism a failed system under Obama. Time to get rid of tax and spend. Isn't it a no brainer that less spending, lower taxes, less red tape would get our economy going?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    As long as we're so angrily divided, I think every race is going to be bitter, tough and close moving forward.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Nov. 6, 2011 7:31 a.m.


    Please give references to the "less than nice thing" said about civil rights by lds leaders.

    Obama has never answered for Rev. Wright. He has only been handled with kid gloves by the press.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 6, 2011 5:16 a.m.

    To worf: Brazil got a loan from the Export-Import bank to buy American made drilling equipment. It is nothing like you make it sound.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Nov. 6, 2011 1:14 a.m.

    Most of us in the military are tired of Obama making cuts in Defense and nothing else. We want a Commander in Chief that we can respect. We want a guy who stands for us and not against us. We are tired of having our pay in question every couple of months because he can't control his terrible spending habit.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    "Obama has done great things in the only realm he actually fully controls; foreign policy."

    What has Obama done with foreign policy? What have we gained from Iraq & Libya?

    Oh yes!

    * Finland got five hundred fifty million dollars to create an auto factory.
    * Brazil got over twenty two billion for oil drilling.
    * We subsidize factories in China.

    Good job with foreign policy BO.

  • ThinksIThink SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 5, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    I agree he has done a good job in the foreign policy area. At home is another question. I was seriously against Obama in 08 because of his association with Reverand Wright. But, now that I see Romney being attacked for his faith, I regret my snap judgment. The LDS church has a history of leaders saying some less than nice things about race and the civil rights movement. Romney should not be held to account for those past statements. Similarly, Obama should not be held account for things said by his former pastor. Nevertheless, I don't think Obama is up to the job at hand. But, I could be wrong.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 5, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Obama has done great things in the only realm he actually fully controls; foreign policy. It's congress that passes laws and spends money here at home.