These are guestworkers here on temporary work visas that were issued over the
past decade plus on the basis of a nonexistent shortage of skilled American
workers. In reality, hundreds of thousands of American workers have been tapped
on the shoulder at work and forced to train these people to take over their
jobs. Then the Americans got a pink slip. Often, bringing foreign guestworkers
in is step #1 in a process that eventually offshores the work. In any case, it's
on the job training for foreign workers at our expense. These are foreign
workers who never should have been brought in in the first place! By now, many
of them have been here so long, that it's not just some jobs they stole, it's
entire career paths that should have gone to Americans. Our job market now is
reflecting over a decade of this sort of damage. We need to end or at least
severely curtail foreign guestworker visas, especially at a time like this.
Repatriate jobs and business processes to America and don't listen to fake
Law requires SOME H-1B employers -- those heavily dependent on H-1B employment
to make a "good faith," effort to hire U.S. employees, but there is no
enforcement mechanism even in that circumstance.I do not understand
Congressman Chaffetz's not dropping the cap on families. He says the
family-based per-country cap will go from 7 percent to 15 percent. Families,
surely, should be encouraged. Why not drop that cap entirely.
Alas, I read my paper a day late. I'm excited, though, that Congressman Chaffetz
has introduced this bill. We say all we want is for them to come here legally,
and fixing the problem so people can immigrate legally is wonderful. I hope HR3012 will, in fact, help do that. When the congressman says it will
add no more green cards, does he mean the total number of visas granted will not
increase? Or does he mean it does not create a new type of visa (such as A-1,
H-1B, L-1, etc.) If we are going to drop the cap, drop the cap not just for each
country, but for the whole program.I wonder if he is referring to
the H-1B visa, for it is for professional-level jobs. Those receiving it need to
have the equivalent of a bachelor's degree, minimum. If it is the H-1B, though,
he might be wrong in saying the law requires hiring the foreign workers only if
there is not enough domestic workers. There is a myth that the H-1B requires
that, but that is not, in fact, a requirement of the H-1B program.--
After reading the Fed's report (thanks wjalden) we need to shut down immigration
and all but agriculture visas for a few years until our workforce stabilizes.
*** "While per-country limits make some limited sense in the area of family
immigration, they make no sense in the context of employment-based
immigration." ***Actually employment-based immigration visas
make no sense in the context of a high unemployment rate that, according to
yesterday's Fed report, will be stuck there for years. Mass immigration is not
the solution to our economic crisis. Our economy is slow and our budget and
trade deficits are in the stratsophere in spite of a decade of extremely high
rates of immigration.Furthernmore, if businesses want changes in our
legal immigration policies why give away all your bargaining chips for nothing
in return? They get changes in employment-based immigration if and only if they
support illegal immigration enforcement, reduction in chain migration, and/or
the elimination of the diversity lottery.There is no shortage of
legal ways to come to this country. Over a million people immigrate here legally
every year (in 2009: 1,130,818) - over twice as many as were allowed in the
1970s. It is time to think of immigration in terms of a budget. More of one
category has to mean less in another.
Read lots of comments that say we have an employment problem and unemployed
can't find work. My experience, laid off from a very good job, is that if I
wanted to work I needed to go where the work was and do the work that need to be
done. I could not be "zip code inhibited". The problem is too many
unemployed Americans aren't willing to go where the work is, our unemployment
compensation makes it too easy to maintain the status-quo. Americans that are
unemployed aren't willing in many cases to change their career path or move into
another field, where the international workers trying to come here are doing
just that so they can get here. This change to the process will help bring
highly qualified people into the country to work. Will it bring some people in
to do work that Americans could do, YES; but in nearly all of those cases the
people qualified to do the work won't move to where the work is. Who's lose is
that? Work where the work is, if you can't find work where you are, then find
out where it is and move there. Simple isn't it!
homebrew | 6:41 p.m. Nov. 2, 2011 South Jordan, UT He looks like the
cat who ate the canary in this pitcure. I can hear him saying "TRUST
ME" Jokes on us. ====================== HaHaHa ---
I was thinking he looked like the "Grinch" who stole
He looks like the cat who ate the canary in this pitcure. I can hear him saying
"TRUST ME" Jokes on us.
Jason, we like you, but please consider:We are about ready to take
any job with 25 millions out of work and underunemployed. This seems callous,
Mr Chaffetz. Why don't you people in Congress insist on a uniform
and enforced rule of naturalization, let the people of the US, legally born to
American parents, or those who legally immigrated, work, and why don't you
remove the barriers to business, and call for import levies to stop business
from leaving the country and call businesses back to the USA?You
stubbornly ignore the obvious in dealing with our own unemployment, repeatedly
upset and frustrate the apirations of the people, when our unemployment problems
could be readily overcome, and that with rapidity.All this you could do
without increasing taxation on the people or picking on the retired and the
Mr. Chaffetz, I have a question of you. When will you ever look after the well
being of the citizens of Utah instead of your corporate campaign contributors?
Whatever is best for the rich and corporations IS NOT always what is best for
the rest of us. Yes, we know that the folks you "hang"
with love cheap labor. Their thirst for more and more cheap labor and profit is
endless. But we have a state and country to maintain. People to
feed. People to live in homes. Will you (ever) do the noble thing
and do what is right for the American people instead of creating a corporate
Is inviting more unskilled workers into our country really supposed to help the
This is another way, regardless of what virtues it may have, for American
capital to whipsaw American labor and bust unions. Chaffetz, you are the poster
child for the state of Utah.
With all due respect Mr. Chaffetz, this bill is nothing but a stunt action. This
bill fixes nothing. Instead of fixing the real backlog and accountability (visas
are wasted year after year) issues, the committee chose to pass a half baked,
thoughtless, and ignorant immigration policy. As you are aware sir, year after
year after year the 140,000 visas assigned to EB category go unused. Why we
don't tackle this first? If we were to use all of the available quotas, we would
not have this backlog issue in the first place. This bill is not about fairness
or fixing issues, this bill is about spreading pains. Please remember sir,
EBROW are people too, not just the Indians, with children and American dreams.
Currently the waiting time for EB3 is 7 years, if this bill is enacted it will
be 12-14 years. Is this fair? The bill will just make everyone life miserable.
Visa recapture must be included . Btw, India does not get 7% , with the
spillover India gets close to 50% of the visas.
Jason Chaffetz, is in a fog of misleading rhetoric again. - QUICK, hand me a
tissue, I'm about to cry like Glenn Beck. After READING again your sob story.
Those feels good, sounds good word's, the activist's in Utah "sympathizes
with", don't pay our bill's, put food on the table, get us a job, help out
the poor, middle-class, the under-employed and unemployed the disabled,
Veteran's, the elderly, the homeless, people needing medical and dental help,
keeping a roof over our head, and a host of other thing's as well, if we are
down for the count and don't even own a penny. I told you I would tell you the
truth. I didn't say you would like it. I'm tired of the media and some
politicians saying we need to put aside our ideological differences during the
primary process when that is exactly when we need to have them the most. This is
"NOT FROM" the University of Utah's Hinckley Institute of Politics.
STOP ALL "WORK VISA's" DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS - make them take their
kid's with them. STOP THE International Student Exchange PROGRAM'S - these
foreign exchange students never go back and over stay their Visa's.
I think that Congressman Chaffetz is on to something. Our immigration policy
does not work well at all. For those who come here legally, there are lots of
unnecessary restrictions on legal immigrants. At the same time, it is very easy
for people to come here illegally, and if they are able to stay away from ICE,
they have significantly fewer restrictions. That's kind of frustrating and
backwards. We essentially punish legal immigrants, but reward illegal
immigrants. I like Chafftez's idea, make it easier to come here legally and
make it worthwhile to do so.
4 years ago you promnised,, What? 4 years ago. Typical republican speed. The
democrats have gotten some things done, despite your NO votes on everything.
Republicans like Chaffetz, do nothing. And No good comes from anything they do.
Wars and destroying economy's, are not good things. Ending wars ,and trying to
fix economy's Are good things. Why dont you get on with something Jason.
Anything. Do something. You and All your GOP obstructionist's. Do something.
Something to help those who lost their job, or house, because of the Bush
Administraion's destruction of our economy, Treasury, and general Well Being.
The democrats ,Without your help, have passed ,National healthcare,(first time
ever in U.S.)Created jobs,(More jobs than the Bush Admistration did in 8 years.
Bush actually lost jobs) Saved the country from a depression, (We were falling
off a cliff) And it seems to me he is at least Trying. Do Something Republicans,
GOP, Chafftez, Lee, Hatch, Bishop, Do Something.This president inherrited this
mess. REMEMBER?? He's trying to fix the mess. He's trying to get things done.
He's trying to help. Wanna give him a hand?? Wanna try to Do Something?? OR
Wait till November!! REALLY??
As you stated,it is a beginning and it will bring folks here legally who can pay
their way. I have some concerns after hearing that so many Americans cannot
afford the education for highly skilled jobs,should we not also look at
companies along with the government educating Americans? My company paid for my
college courses. Tax breaks perhaps? We really need to do both and I think we
are smart enough to do so. We need to educate our own and allow an orderly
immigration to this country.
Looks like maybe I missed something. Chaffetz is saying that the number of
visas remains the same, but the only thing that will change is that the number
of immigrants from any given country is no longer enforced. Doesn't this simply
mean that China, India, and perhaps a couple of other countries (Russia?) can
now supply all of our H1 visa needs, without the need to get labor from other
pesky countries? I presume that is what Chaffetz is trying to solve - the
problem of not getting enough Chinese and Indian workers? Is there any US
company that is getting an H1 visa that can't find someone somewhere in the
World that can use that visa, that isn't Chinese or Indian? Is it a case of
capability or cost?
Thank you, Rep. Chaffetz! I really commend your common sense approach to finding
issues that are important and can get done. One important misconception
regarding the bill seems to be that it will increase the foreign workers in US.
As you said this bill does not add a single new green card to the system. So the
number of foreign workers is not changed - the only change is to allow the best
workers to come in. In our meritocratic society we should welcome the best
people from around the world - there is absolutely no reason to discriminate on
the basis of country of birth. Cheers!
I'm not sure that a cap on immigrant visas is not necessary. Certainly the visa
system is gamed by businesses. I am highly skeptical that, with 9%
unemployment, businesses cannot find skilled labor. There needs to be some
guarantee that the business is paying at least average wages and that there are
no US citizens interested in the job. I just don't think the current system is
adequate for this.
If I asked Rep Chaffetz what time it was and he told me it was noon I would
ordinarily be assured it was midnight..however, this is absolutley a move in the
right direction. American industry has been able to be cutting edge over the
decades partly because we have welcomed foreign talent. This is even more
critical now when the American education system is in decline and our production
of engineers and scientists has fallen. While I also believe that we as
Americans need to invest in our own/current citizens in order to meet the demand
for engineers and scientists this is one of the steps we can take to build a
value added, sustainable economy.
Why on earth do we need more foreign workers, legal or illegal, when we have
millions of unemployed Americans who are well qualified and can't buy a job
right now? We don't need foreigners to "create jobs", we have millions
of Americans who can do it. What we really need is an immigration time out for
several years to sort out who is here, who needs to be sent home, and whether or
not we actually "need" any of them. Very disappointing that Chaffetz
is focusing on flooding the U.S. with more competition for jobs instead of
trying to create more jobs by removing those who shouldn't be here in the first
Thanks, Rep. Chaffetz! I celebrate the first real proposal out of my Washington
delegation to actually improve the laws in behalf of legal immigration. Up to
now everything had seemed to be anti-illegal only.It seems
reasonable that we remove the "per country" caps in favor of letting
supply and demand determine the proportion of visa holders come from which
country. Allowing an increase in the proportion of visas that help reunite
families is also right in line with the Utah Compact's vision of supporting
family unity.I hope this is the first of many improvements to come
and am proud to see Utahns lead the way.How do Senators Hatch and
Lee and Representatives Matheson and Bishop feel about this?
Jason, what's going on here? These are the visas that the Alcala Law Firm used
to illegally bring several thousand people here to work in construction,
landscaping and hotel/motel maid service. These visas are not just for the
highly skilled, and if you remove the limits, most will end up in Mexico. That's going to really upset the firms that do have need for skilled
people that there are enough people to fill the jobs. Are you pulling our leg,
or is someone pulling yours. We seem headed to a sub labor bubble.
Why are we bringing people here? Business needs to pay a fair wage to get
American workers, and start hiring the highly skilled over 40.
These are not just for highly skilled workers. They are used for any job field
outside agriculture including ranching and dairy. They are a magnet for
mistreatment. Check out the H-2B visa. Remember the visa workers in Utah's west
desert? Let's keep the visa system fair for all the world. Bump up
the 7% to 10% but don't remove it completely.