Published: Wednesday, Nov. 2 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT
Pound of flesh? The compact has nothing to do with being fair to anyone. The
National Immigration Forum (pro-illegal Washington group) has taken credit for
it. It's nothing more than a tool to promote amnesty. I think Utahns
have seen through it. It's never caught on nationally except with a few small
splinter groups across the country. We need a Utah Honesty Compact
as far as immigration goes.
For a different and not-quite-so-rosy view of the Utah Compact I urge readers to
do an online search for a series of four eye-opening articles by former Arizona
State Senator Karen Johnson (Who Wrote the Utah Compact; Propaganda and the Utah
Compact; The One-Sided Utah Compact; and All Roads Lead to Radical). I agree with JBrady above. We need a Utah Honesty Compact! I would love to
see public officials and religious leaders not only publically denounce illegal
immigration but also strongly urge their constituents and congregants to be
honest in their dealings with their fellow citizens and legal immigrants and
sign a compact or contract that states they will employ only those legally
authorized to work here. Anything less is a betrayal of trust. I
for one will not support the Utah Compact.
"fair and reasonable" have little to do with the current political
climate."Scapegoating and senseless retribution" may well
be wrong, but they make for great politics.Our current system seems
focused on punishing the innocent. A family of my acquaintance was here legally
and had been for over a decade. They were good, hardworking folks. Their visas
ran out and they were told to go.Families that are predominantly
made up of US citizens but include one or two illegal aliens are made to either
leave or break up the family. Did some of those folks choose to come here
illegally? Sure. Should there be some consequences? Sure. But why ship them
AND the US citizens out?Please, no crocodile tears and foolishness
about how the citizens could stay if they want. Of course the family should
stay together. But, assuming no other issues with the law beyond immigration
status, there should be an option for them to make amends and continue their
lives here together.Our current program (the result of successive
administrations of both parties) puts us in danger of creating a permanent
underclass. That has never worked out anywhere and it usually ends rather
"Compassionate," "fair," "reasonable," and
"thoughtful" are apt descriptions of what the anti-illegal immigration
crowd isn't. Unfortunately, there are a lot of them, especially in the
Foreign invaders don't deserve amnesty, which is what the compact does. Crossing
borders and occupying a country is never right. Our brave ancestors sweeped
this land clean so we could have the Kingdom of God here, and if the immigrants
want to take part in this great land they need to wait their turn in line like
every one else. And if the politically correct liberals let their hearts bleed
over this, maybe they should put their money where their mouth is and trade
places with one of these immigrants. Move out of your house and let them have
it, and move south into Mexico. Then maybe you will appreciate this great land.
It would be great if someone came up with a "Compact" that dealt with
fairness for Utah citizens. Where is the care about the 9% or so that are
unemployed? Where is the care about the thousands of Utah citizens whose
identities have been stolen by the people that the Utah Compact is so concerned
about? Where is the care about the thousands of Utah citizens who are impacted
by the crimes committed by the Utah Compact subjects? There is
nothing wrong with being concerned about the plight of others around the World.
It does, though, become an issue when you involuntarily make that plight the
concern of everyone else.
To "Twin Lights | 5:48 a.m." you cry for the illegals that are sent
back to their country, but you don't cry for the illegal who left their family
behind to persue a life here? What about the murderer who is forced to leave
their family behind to go to prison, do you have the same compassion for them
also?Should we also make provisions to immediately remove people
that don't have family here so that their familes can be intact?What
about the criminal in prison? Should we make all efforts to ensure that they
can maintain a normal family life?There is a reson why they are
called anchor babies, and once you make the exception for those with children
here you are going to open the floodgate for illegal immigrants coming here and
giving birth as soon as possible to get them on the quick path to legal status.
Encouraging law breaking, no matter the issue, is wrong. There was a law in
place forbidding people to enter the United States without permission. Those
who broke that law must face the consequences of breaking that law. The
consequence, as spelled out in the Act is that them must be deported. That's
the law.Those who mock the law, both the illegal immigrant and the
citizens who support illegal immigration, have no respect for law or for order.
They favor disorder and disrespect. They want their "favorite
criminal" to be allowed to stay in America simply because they have become
friends with that criminal.That is not reason enough to encourage
breaking the law. That is not reason enough to ignore the consequences of law
breaking.Let them leave this country, with their families, and then
let them apply to return - legally.
Enforcing the law is "scapegoating and senseless retribution"? No it
is not -- not in a country that's devoted to the rule of law. Ignore one law
because its enforcement is deemed politically incorrect by the intelligensia and
we abandon the rule of law for the rule of popular opinion. Compassion is fine,
but not at the expense of abandonment of one of the foundation principles that's
made this country great.
Would the anti-illegal immigration advocates who are members of the LDS Church
(you know who you are) please reconcile their posiiton with the Church's
endorsement of the Utah Compact? Were the brethren not inspired on this one?
Does the admonition to follow the prophet only apply when you agree with the
Mike Richards | 8:36 a.m. Nov. 2, 2011 South Jordan, Utah Encouraging law breaking, no matter the issue, is wrong. ============= So, you must support punishing the Businesses who
are supporting, supplying and providing the only draw for illegal
immigration.Just like drugs and other illegal activity -You can waste you time going after the millions of individual usersor
better yet - Go after and Punish the Pusher, Dealer, and
Smugglers....Businesses.Thanks for being on OUR side of the issue.
After struggling with the issue of legal/illegal on this matter, I am not
surprised at the Church's stand here. The children are innocent of
any violations. It is for their sake, we extend compassion. The Lord has always stood on the side of Mercy.
The uncontrolled immigration of workers is the same thing as sending American
jobs overseas to cheap labor. The reason those overseas nations have cheap
labor is because of the economic oppression imposed upon their citizens by the
commercial business tyrants. It is their desire and plan to bring about that
same condition in America. The Utah Compact is a part of that plan.
While propagandizing the humane considerations for foreign labor, the people
who support the compact ignore the welfare of Utah and American citizens. The actual purpose of the Utah Compact is to enrich the rich and
powerful business interests. And the people who support the compact could care
less about the welfare of Americans.
@"Curmudgeon" 9:22I'll be glad to! I was
taught to "honor, obey, and sustain", the law. To me, (among other
things), that translates to: paying my taxes, being courteous to, and paying the
fines levied against me by police officers, and otherwise doing my part to make
society better including calling police when I see a law potentially being
violated. Several years ago I TRIED reporting illegal trespassers; the cops
said they "couldn't do anything about it"!I also believe I
should be "subject to kings, rulers, and magistrates". So, while I
may not agree with everything our current President does (or doesn't do)
regarding immigration I support that he has the AUTHORITY to make those
decisions. But I have the RESPONSIBILITY to try to elect someone next time who
more closely (in my opinion) enforces the nations laws. Keep in
mind: immigration enforcement issues are NOT new laws. I/we only want ones
ENFORCED that are already existing! I have no BELIEF WHATSOEVER that the
"Utah Compact" was designed to do anything except guarantee another
year of subservient wages/workers to an unethical business community!
Redshirt1701,Please. Equating a murderer in prison with an illegal
immigrant is beyond the pale and deserves no serious consideration or
response.I don't call them anchor babies and neither should anyone
else. And in my experience it certainly does not give their families a quick
path to illegal status (hence my post).Mike RichardsThose who support changing the law to allow folks now here illegally to stay
under a revised legal code do no mockery. They simply advocate for a change in
the law. Period.
JBrady at 1:22 am,By stating that the Utah Compact is "nothing
more than a tool to promote amnesty," this implies that The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints supports amnesty. Do you think the LDS church
supports amnesty, or were the LDS church leaders duped by pro-amnesty D.C.
lobbyists? In both cases, I think the answer is "no."It
has been very difficult for many Latter-day Saints to set aside the philosophies
of man and embrace the teachings of our LDS church leaders. Of course, I have no
idea whether JBrady is a member of the LDS church, but this is a church-owned
newspaper, and most commenters here are members of the LDS church. It is
difficult to admit the shortcomings of our own opinions, but if we sincerely try
to understand the teachings of the LDS church leaders, then we can grow as
individuals. Individual growth begets better governance.
Should we obey, honor, and sustain laws that are stupid and oppressive?I
can think of several people that are honored as heroes for breaking laws that
were stupid and oppressive in their days. (John Hancock and the Tea Act?)
To "Twin Lights | 11:13 a.m." but it is the same problem. A criminal
who is sent to prison for any reason will be separated from their family. So,
sending them back to their home country is actually MORE human than sending them
to prision for breaking the law.By sending them back to their own
country they can be reunited with their family as soon as their family decides
to go.Why do you want to keep families separated by allowing part of
a family to remain in the US while the rest of their family is outside the US?
How do you condone mercy when it is accompanied by a willing violation of the
rule of law? Native-born Americans are not shown mercy when we violate the laws
of the land, but we should look the other way when people sneak into our country
illegally? What crime can I commit and get away with? Can I get free health care
too? Give me a break!
Redshirt1701 | 8:20 a.m. Nov. 2, 2011 Deep Space 9, Ut ================ RedShirt --- You lost any and all
creditability in this debate about obeying laws, with your silly hypocritical
rants about breaking all sorts of laws about Speeding and HOV lanes
yesterday.I'll use something you understand better - your absolutist
logic....You either are a law abider, or a law breaker.Stop
picking and choosing which law are OK for you to break & ignore -- while
forcing 100% compliance on everyone else. Grow up, and please show
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