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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 2 2011 7:50 a.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It IS unconstitutional. The church is welcome to make its' views known to our legislators, just like anybody else. Including me. I refuse to accept that they should get preferential hearing on issues such as this. Freedom of for me means freedom from.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

It's about time.

Loosen up on liquor sales and a lot of people will be much happier. More business for stores and restaurants, more tax dollars for the government. The Church needs to worry about its people, not everyone else.

Plebeius
Holladay, UT

Why should the church not have any influence? That is a narrow and naive view. I want it things only when they are in my favor.
I know what half a the addlepated will say "seperation of church and state" but this is not what it implies.

gramma b
Orem, UT

This is one of the stupidest lawsuits I've ever seen. But, I don't think it's surprising, considering its source.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Yeah, this is exactly what we need. More liquor. More DUI's. More escape from reality. More liver disease. MORE! MORE! MORE!

ouisc
Farmington, UT

This lawsuit is right on. Utah has embarassing liquor laws, that are based upon personal phobias and misinformation, generated from personal religeous beliefs. Utah generates the strangest, most inconsistent liquor laws, based upon lawmaker's statements that could easily be applied to non-alcoholic industries as well. But aren't.

I don't know what this lawsuit will bring--the State of Utah likes the control of alcohol, because it brings the state great revenue. But who knows what will happen when a Federal judge recognizes that our laws are based on unrealistic, personal phobias that are quoted in our legislature.

Good luck!

Kaare Bye
KAMAS, UT

No we will be a part of stopping _ALL liquer sales in Utah, keep your demogathery inszide your head please

golfinggrandma
Sand, UT

It's about time some one took them to court! What happened to free agency that they preach? If you people the chance to make a choice, you are taking away their free agency.

golfinggrandma
Sand, UT

Oops...left out a word....If you deny people the chance to make a choice, you take away their free agency.

The Atheist
Provo, UT

It really is strange that the opinions of a group that does not believe in consuming liquor at all should have anything of value to add to the regulations governing the consumption of alcohol.

That would be like considering the opinion of vegetarians on how to cook and serve meat.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Good luck enforcing that one. Can you keep legislators from asking the First Presidency their views on liquor laws? Sure. But most of these guys are LDS anyway...are you going to pass a law that they have to step out into the foyer whenever there's a word of wisdom talk at church?

And sorry to burst your bubble Hutterite, but there's nothing in the constitution about freedom from religion. You might just have to learn to accept some religious interference in your life. I have to put up with plenty of atheist interference in mine - why should you be any different?

Clark Griswold
Cedar City, UT

The LDS authorities (not many of my local acquaintances, who don't seem to care much and sometimes come over for a sip) may have influenced the selection available to me, but they've never had any influence on my attitude toward a tall cold one. Given that, is influencing the selection supposed to make me feel more positive towards them? If it is, may I suggest maybe that's not working very well? I have a momma, I don't need government in that role.

cheffy chef
Holladay, UT

No matter what my views are on alcohol consumption I do believe the Mormon church should stay out of this debate. It is bad for the LDS church and the state of Utah to take the church's view on drinking into consideration when making the laws that effect everyone living in the state. And it is of course unconstitutional. Prohibition created a culture of heavy drinkers, speak easys and organized crime. I should think we all would have learned better.
Limiting access to booze does not sway anyone from it. Never has. The church should remain a church and stay out of politics.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

I live in Washington State. Costco sponsored an initiative last year that would have ended the states monopoly at the state liquor stores. Bars can sell hard liquor in Washington but all other sales must be through the state liquor stores. Costco wants to sell liquor at their stores. They have spent $22 Million to get this initiative passed this time (it failed last year).

Mormons comprise less than 5% of this states population yet state liquor stores exist here.

Does the LDS church have freedom of speech? Yup.
Does the LDS church have the same rights as anyone else? Nope, the church is not a person and does not vote.

This law suit seeks to deny the LDS church their first amendment rights.

If this were in sports San Diego State would have sought to ban Jimmer from playing last year because BYU was simply too powerful with the Jimmer.

These clowns always seek to change the rules when they see that they cannot win.

DeltaFoxtrot
West Valley, UT

@USAlover: Considering the 64 DUI arrests over the weekend I'd say the liquor laws are hardly doing their job. Just like criminals with guns, if a drinker wants a drink he's going to get one... no matter what the law says. These laws aren't stopping any drunks, they are only making it harder for average folks to have a drink or two.

Want to know why SLC has a shortage of good (and I mean REALLY good) restaurants? Because they can't get liquor licenses. Alcohol sales are a HUGE part of a restaurant's income. Putting restrictions on it only hurts businesses.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

@ ouisc

Is it also "embarrassing" to you that Utah has the LOWEST DUI rate in the nation? Is it embarrassing to you that people in Utah insist on drinking and then driving? Is it embarrassing to you that liquor in abundance produces social ills and costs that are bourne by all the taxpayers, not just the drinkers? Does it embarrass you that the funds from the sale of liquor as controlled by the State all go towards funding education? Are these facts also "phobia's" in your view? Cannot anyone who really wants a drink actualy get enough to get drunk fairly easily, just not by using the neighborhood grocery store as a "supplier" like they do in so many States that have a huge problem with DUI's, speaking of hard liquor only, as beer is readily available everywhere every day of the week? Would you rather we were like Nevada?

educated_conservative
Springville, UT

It seems right for legislatures to NOT actively solicit input from the LDS Church or any other. But at the same time one cannot deny a church's right (or anyone else's right, for that matter) to make it's input known. You know, free speech and all of that.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

I think this will just backfire on them. Everyone knows the LDS church's views already so this lawsuit is likely to make some politicians react in a less compromise-ready sort of way, regardless of the outcome.

gramma b
Orem, UT

There is no constitutional right to consume alcohol. The regulation of alcohol is one of the legitimate "police" functions of state and local governments. All states regulate alcohol to one degree or another. This is so because the consumption of alcohol has negative effects on all of society, even those who do not drink. And, there are jurisdictions in the US with laws as strict as, or stricter than, Utah's, especially in the South, where there are large groups of non-drinkers who are not Mormon.

Legislators are free to consider the views of anyone, and all citizens and groups are free to express those views. All law is based on someone's set of values, and most of those values had their roots, at least initially, in religion.

The foregoing are some of the reasons why this lawsuit is so stupid. Another reason is that it is trying to state an antitrust claim against legislation, which is just dumb. It honestly makes one wonder whether overconsumption of alcohol led to the drafting of the complaint.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@toosmartforyou

"Is it also "embarrassing" to you that Utah has the LOWEST DUI rate in the nation? "

That's because Utah has a large percentage of the population that don't drink such as myself. But here's the important question. These laws that make getting alcohol more difficult... are they going to stop alcoholics from getting drunk? Or are they just an annoyance for the casual drinker who just wants a drink or two? In other words... are these laws really leading to the lowest DUI rate or is the fact half the state is LDS pretty much guaranteeing the lowest DUI rate in the nation regardless of the laws? Utah is, by about 3%, the lowest state in the nation for smoking rates but it doesn't seem to be any harder to buy cigarettes here than in Maryland. Regardless of cigarette access Utah is always going to be the lowest rate of smoking because of the massive LDS population. I think that applies, to some extent at least, to alcohol too. Having the lowest DUI rates is great but I'm not convinced that the laws have as much impact as some think. Having trax run later would help though.

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