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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 1 2011 10:22 a.m. MDT

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'New York Times hosts large debate on the Christianity of presidential politics' - Title

What about the 'Wicca' of presidental politics?

Or the Muslim?

Oh! Wait! That's right!

America favors only ONE religion...

Federal judge dismisses Summum suit against Pleasant Grove By Dennis Romboy DSNews 06/04/10

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit against the city that claim it violated the establishment clause of the US consitution by allowing a Ten Commandments monument by rejecting one showing the the Salt Lake-based religious sects beliefs. The clause in the First Amendment prohibits government from adopting a national religion.

And then claims it is 'tolerant.'

cjb
Bountiful, UT

This nation has its cultural basis in christianity, but the government isn't christian, it is one dedicated to freedom of religion.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

I have no interest in personal insight into Romney's faith, or Joe Lieberman's Judaism, Perry's fundamentalism, Biden's Catholicism, Obama's devotion to Rev. Wright, ad nauseam. Let's hear about economic policy, energy, trade, taxation, immigration, foreign policy, Supreme Court philosophy and a list of other important items.

Please stop rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Macfarren
Dallas, TX

Khan says Mitt "emphasizes his 'Christianity' in the hope that it will distract from his liberal tendencies . . .

Khan, are you nuts? If anything, Mitt has been completely avoiding mentioning religion because he knows it's currently a hotbed of controversy.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

The one concern I have about religion in politics is this -- how much will the candidates attempt to impose their religious beliefs on the jurisdiction they seek to represent/govern. If they will follow the Constitution, and not seek to establish their religion as the be-all and end-all of how everyone in the country should and live and believe, then let them believe what they want. If they, as the radical fundamentals are wont to do, try to impose their lifeway on everyone else, then they must be rejected.

jzwillows
willows, ca

A good Mormon president would be better than a bad president of the official Christian religion (the group that decides who is and who isn't a Christian).
A good Jewish president would be better than a bad Mormon president.
A good Muslim president . . . and so on . . .
So why not look for good cadidates by considering their beliefs on the constitution and forget their religious beliefs?

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

The New York Times declared it is fair to ask: "If politicians say their religion guides them. . . Isnt it pretty well understood that a persons sum total of experience is going to shape and guide their outlook and their decisions? That is the same for all persons be they religious or not.

In politics one size does not fit all. For example Mitt Romney, Harry Reid, Mike Lee and Jim Matheson belong to the same religion but their political ideologies vary significantly. Mitt Romney is not as conservative as Mike Lee, Jim Matheson is more liberal than Romney and Harry Reid is more liberal than Matheson.

What do I care about then when voting? Is the person honest? Is he faithful in his own home? Does he seem to support issues that preserve freedom and liberty? Does he seem to be wise and able to adjust to situations governing with wisdom? I dont really care what the religion is or even what party for that matter. Only last week did I find out what religion Ronald Reagan was and in my opinion he was one of the greatest Presidents since Abraham Lincoln.

YouthforEagar
MONROE, UT

Christianity is what the republican party WAS built on, but now we've got Eric Cantor.

DSB
Cedar Hills, UT

I think anyone who conclusively says "Jesus is more aligned with my political affiliation than your's" has probably run out of ideas and is losing the battle on whatever topic is being debated. That person probably has no political empathy whatsoever, and even lesser understanding of Jesus.

YouthforEagar
MONROE, UT

@DSB
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, all of the founders of the republican party were devout christians. That's all I wanted to point out.

DSB
Cedar Hills, UT

@YouthforEager - I wasn't responding to you at all, and have no clue what you're even talking about with Eric Cantor.

But if the judgmental shoe fits...

Honor Code
Denver, Colorado

Religion and Politics don't mix!!!

Gramajane
OAKLEY, ID

Did anybody else notice what I found SO interesting - that only one of the debate group supplied a scripture from the Bible showing what Jesus did when confronted with a challenge to honor God or obey the law? And he was a Mormon.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

To Mighty Might : Your an idiot, nice try to turn this into a Mormon/Christianity thing.

To Pagen : This crap seriously gets old. America does not favor one religion. People in America choose their faith. People in America may lean more toward one faith, doesn't mean "America" chooses on over the other. Doesn't mean Catholics are better than Mormons, or Baptist are better then Catholics...etc. It means people make a choice, and that is the great thing about America. We get to make choices. And by the way you say "the First Amendment prohibits government from adopting a national religion". No it doesn't.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

You see, it makes no law about establishing a religion. And it does not prohibit the free exercise of religion. You people need to get off the 1st Amendment, you don't even understand it properly. Use your head, that's why God gave it to you.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

I told you I would tell you the truth. I didn't say you would like it.

My views.

"If politicians say their religion guides them, and influential ministers have a litmus test for candidates' 'biblical values' which politicians espouse policies that align with Christianity?"

None of them, they are in Office to not thump the Bible, we look for candidates who embrace principles of our Country and the American people, for their health, safty, and well being. We don't pray for them, for their 4th form of Government that is K Street, that is a major thoroughfare in the United States capital of Washington, D.C. known as a center for numerous think tanks, lobbyists, and advocacy groups. For the GOP that's a perfectly acommitment to their false biblical principles, in the Party of Family Values. Not mine. The singular formula for applying Christianity is in "The Meeting Hall" on Sunday, in the LDS Church, not The White House.

RAB
Bountiful, UT

Since it is apparently virtually impossible for a person to be elected without lying, the question of their religion is mute. None of them abide by their religion.

als Atheist
Provo, UT

In our response to 9/11 and the terrorist threat, "Christian" leaders took an eye for an eye approach: a military response, and it has only made things worse. The more we attack and have continued to attack, the worse the problem keeps getting.

How about a different approach? Go meet the foreign enemy first-hand, as a fellow human being, to find out what it's like in their world. Look within our own culture to find the source of our fear of others. Turn inward and confront our own fears. Fear itself is the problem, and fear-mongering is everywhere.

We must face our fears. Somehow we have to evolve, both physically and culturally, or we are doomed to a downward spiral of self-destruction.

I think we should start by admitting that God does not bless America or any other country above others. He does not chose one people over another, and He promises land to no one.

These beliefs are remnants of archaic cultures that now only serve to inspire fear and justify acts of murder and genocide.

Our salvation must come from ourselves, not from religion.

Kirk R Graves
West Jordan, UT

UtahBruin | 5:40 p.m. Nov. 1, 2011
'And by the way you say "the First Amendment prohibits government from adopting a national religion". No it doesn't.'

Actually, as much as I hate to do it, I have to support Pagan here. The 1st ammendment does prohibit the GOVERNMENT from adopting a national religion.

However, that doesn't imply that it prohits individuals from adopting a religion that becomes so predominant that it is, defacto, the "national religion". This is the statement I think you were trying to make.

OlpuebloguyInWyo
Evanston, WY

Hey all....look at the picture. Does it appear that Rick Perry is trying to look at Romney's notes?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

I rather religion not enter politics. When someone tries to tell me that they're righteous, or have god on their side, my first instinct is to grab my wallet and run. Fast and far.

When a politician says it, that instinct is magnified tenfold.

Religion should be something you LIVE, not something you yammer on and no about. Religion is a personal experience. Organized religion is about money and power.

Beware the person who wears his/her religion on their sleeve. If they sneeze, they're going to want to wipe their nose on yours because they don't want to sully their own.

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