Immigration brings out worst in GOP candidates

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  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:43 p.m.

    Pagan, I give, what does an illegal immigrant look like? That's a silly question. It could be anybody. Someone here illegally does not look any different than anyone else. It's there status here that is the difference.

    Illegal immigration brings out the worst in business, the media, all politicians etc. Let's not limit it.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    Who are these ignorant 'washington post group writers?' They act as if we can afford anything, as if we are all part of the Obama administration. How dare Romney take a stand against in state tuition for illegals. He is so silly, doesn't he know that we are doing swimmingly as far as financial matters go? Doesn't he know that we are no longer a land of laws? Silly, silly.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 31, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    (Republican Gov. of Az. Jan) Brewer: Illegal immigrants are beheading people 07/01/2010 Fox News

    *'Brewer Finally Backpedals: I Was Wrong About Headless Bodies' 09/04/10 - By Ben Frumin - Talking Points Memo


    But claiming someone who you can't even IDENTIFY (what does an illegal immigrant look like?) does not mean you can lie about what they are doing.

    And claiming a group is BE-HEADING people, is pretty extreme.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Oct. 30, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    It's going to get worse and worse until it explodes, if our country keeps refusing to enforce our immigration laws.

    Not even amnesty will stop it. As the people becoming citizens will just be laid off, until business can find more illegal cheap labor.

    Amnesty to work will just make Americans more resentful of the new class of workers that are taking their jobs.

    Corporate greed in this country is destroying our stand of living, our morals, and our belief in right and wrong. Utah's business community is no different. We need a Honesty Compact.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 30, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Alabama's farmers are seeing thier food rot because there's nobody to pick it. They arn't willing to pay americans enough to entice them to do it.

    When McCain was running he said that Americans wouldn't pick lettuce for even $25 and hour. Millions applied but farmers didn't want to pay that much.

    Farmers vote overwhelmingly republican yet really enjoy picking up their government subsidy check for 10's of thousands of dollars and just LOVE illegal workers. So being a republican is really more about being a hypocrite than principaled isn't it?

    Pay $25 an hour to only legal workers and the probelm is solved. For once actually value hard labor.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 3:41 p.m.

    @ Another Perspective

    Nice try rationalizing lawbreaking and lawlessness, but the United States IS a sovereign nation; it DOES have "clear title" to this land; and those who illegally invade and steal from it literally ARE thieves and robbers.

    Incidentally, who can doubt but that Jesus foresaw this day of astonishing greed in the heart of Zion? No WONDER he said: "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Republican Smoke and Mirrors.

    They use Illegal Immigration as a Red Herring to stir up their voitng base --
    just like they do with Taxes and Abortion.

    Vote for me, I'll do something about it -- then nothing.

    They will never do anything to change Illegal Immigration, Taxation or Abortion.
    Because they need and heavily rely on those issues for votes.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Oct. 30, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    President Eisenhower deported many in the most successful effort to date.
    They are criminals. Those who hire them should be prosecuted, fined and spend 6 months in jail at a minimum. Take away the jobs and these people will stay home and can fight the drug pushers in their own country.

  • Another Perspective Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    @ anti-liar

    Your domicile? You need to read history. You don't have clear title. Your argument is without merit.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    As regards "ugly," there is nothing uglier than distorting the truth. So it is "vicious" toward the burglar who would invade one's domicile to lock one's door at night? "Vicious" toward the would-be carjacker to secure one's car while driving? "Vicious" tpward the couterfeiter to carefully examine a hundred dollar bill before accepting it? We should endorse and turn a blind eye toward such crime based on the half-truth that each of these would-be criminals are only doing what they're doing in order to "obtain a better life?"

    Is not the essential principle THE SAME, as regards opposition to illegal immigration? "He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10:1)

    "What is it about the immigration issue that brings out the worst in politicians?"

    Once again, Mr. Gerson deliberately distorts the issue. What's happening is, politicians are realizing that Americans are sick of foreign nationals illegally invading this country, spitting on its sovereignty and laws, stealing its jobs, burglarizing its treasury (they being actual invaders of this country), and usurping the identities of its children.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    "Certainly the "attraction" is not based on genuine love and respect for this country and it's values......."
    This quote can very well fit right in with many in government, corporations, finance, etc. in the United States, who are there only to amass a fortune through whatever means it takes.
    We certainly cannot compare the plight of an immigrant family in their quest for a better life, with these "wealthy, important" American robber barons.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Oct. 30, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    "He doesn't say how to pay for it though! "

    OK, so, we're supposed to pay for things?

    Fine. How about Medicare part D?
    How about Wars?
    How about balancing the budget without tax increases?

    Seems like those on the right only want to "pay" for certain things.

    How about a little consistency?

  • Invisible Hand Provo, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Romney and Perry need to stop pandering to the lowest common denominator of the Republican party. These arguments are childish and irrelevant and distract from the important issues of entitlement and tax reform.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    The party of business knows where labour comes from for industries such as food production and processing. These guys have to talk the talk, but they're never going to be able to walk the walk.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 8:44 a.m.

    If it is wrong to attack the illegals, how about just attacking the employers of the illegals? Fine them $10,000 for each illegal employee and maybe revoke their business license if it exceeds some number, such as 50 illegals over a given amount of time? Wouldn't that get the Liberals on the side of going after illegals, if it would put the squeeze on businesses?

    We've got millions of illegals and millions of unemployed in the US. One would think Democrats would be interested in getting US workers back on the job, yet they seem to be coddling the illegals, even as the Republicans have no problem employing the illegals. Seems like no one actually care about the US citizen. Maybe we can outsource that caring to another country.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    Article summary: The author disparages and denigrates ANY AND ALL attempts to enforce immigration laws.

    Apparentally, according to the author, ANY AND ALL arriving here as trespassers are fully entitled to medical care.

    He doesn't say how to pay for it though!

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    The Obama administration has deported more illeagels in 3 years than Bush ever ., or anything else for that matter. The party of NO does nothing. They have NO ideas, and have nothing to offer. GOP policies have never worked, and never will

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    Oct. 30, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    It is really not that tough to understand what is happening and why.

    Neither party wants to lose the Hispanic vote.

    You think Perry would be governor of Texas without the Hispanic vote?

    The GOP has had numerous opportunity to do SOMETHING, anything about the immigration issue, but kicked the can down the road. Now that they are no longer in charge, they scream loudly about the need for reform.

    Proving, it is much easier to blame someone else than to do something yourself. Fairly common theme in politics.

    Now, these candidates will pander to the base to get the nomination, and if elected, will do little to attack the problem.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 4:22 a.m.

    "But it is the responsibility of political leaders to address this issue without enflaming it."

    And who's using the inflammatory language? Who's doing the "dividing?" Do such untruthful terms as "vicious," "attack," "ethnic politics," "ugly," and "targeting the sick and aspiring" ring a bell?

    As far as what Republicans "need" to do, what they need to do is stick to PRINCIPLE over political expediency. After all, it is about illegality -- NOT about "ethnicity," the "sick," nor the "aspiring."

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 4:02 a.m.

    In a cunning effort to falsely characterize Romney as an immigration hypocrite, Gerson, as well as Perry, dishonestly distort the facts. Each knows perfectly well that in his health plan, Romney of Massachusetts was only complying, as required, with the Federal mandate to render emergency first aid to illegals.

    Were Gerson honest, he also would acknowledge the basic fact that it would be far less costly to American taxpayers if illegals were not here at all, instead of advancing the false issue of "free benefits" vs. "no free benefits" to persons who have no respect for this country and its citizens, and who have no right to be here.

    "But the whole magnet theory is questionable."

    Oh is it, Mr. Gerson. So then WHY ARE THEY HERE?

    Of COURSE it is because IN THEIR TOTALITY, the jobs, the various public benefits, the housing, the opportunities to wire money home, and on and on, very much DO constitute a magnet. Certainly the "attraction" is NOT based on genuine love and respect for this country and its values. If it were, they would not be here illegally invading this country and stealing its children's identities. Instead they would be entering LEGALLY.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Oct. 30, 2011 1:13 a.m.

    I guess it depends upon where you stand with illegal immigration and supporting the laws of the land.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 30, 2011 12:47 a.m.

    During the nineties, the Clinton administration conducted audits of several meat packing plants. They found that over 90% of the employees in many plants were illegal aliens. They began assessing fines and beginning criminal investigations against many of the plants. The meat packing industry complained to congress and congress immediately defunded the administration's programs. Congress was controlled by Republicans at the time.

    Herman Cain is a past president of the National Restaurant Association, which lobbies vigorously against tough immigration enforcement.

    The Republican base may be vehemently anti illegal immigration, but the corporate wing of the party wants all the cheap labor it can get. The candidates may be trying to mollify the base now, but once they are in office, the wishes of the corporate wing will triumph, as they always do.