Cougars seek credibility against TCU
@won84hey bro hows actually playin a good team feel? you done poudin your
chest over thos highschool teams now? and funny that you say i turn on the tv
hoping to see them lose when in reality i have A LOT of friends on that team. i
dont have a problem with anyone on the byu team i jsut have a problem with fans
like you. LOL. your team is not good and it shows against someone with a winning
record not all those 1-5 teams your beating and poundin your chest about
Thanks for the article Dick
"you byu fans will say anything to try and make your team sound
relevant."Oh manfanforlife, we don't have to say anything. You
as well as ESPN do it for us.The best way the Ute fans could attack
BYU is to quit giving them attention. If you truly want BYU to become
irrelevant stop "seizing the opportunity" to post or comment on them
and stop turning on the TV hoping to watch them lose.You've created
much of your problem though I might credit some of BYU's relevance to years of
winning.Though, I must admit, I would probably do the same if it
were possible to find a nationally televised Ute game.
Talk about two teams going in opposite directions:- Last year, Utah
going BCS and BYU going independent- This year, Utah being
irrelevant in the new Pac-12 and BYU being quite relevant in BCS Big 12 talk- This year, BYU finding its QB and Utah losing its- This
year, BYU getting on the winning track after losing to Utah and Utah getting on
the losing track after beating BYU- This year, BYU going bowling and
Utah not (after their fans talk up their Pac-12 championship; NOT!)Maybe next year will be different? Well, BYU will likely be better (more
experienced QB) and Utah will still be looking for a BCS-quality QB.
Oregon actually looked good against the Cougs. Even with the turnovers, they
looked good. My guess is that they will "rise-up" and allow the red to
continue to bleed from the Utes. Hays is nowhere as good as Riley. That will be
their ticket. The lack of execution by Hays.Utah 14OreSt 26BYU wins! Don't care what the score is. BYU will win.
@whatnowyeah actually better than all those guys. check his stats he at
one point had more tds than incompletions i dont know if thats still the case.
announces have also said numerous times"he throws the best deep ball in
college football"but one thing i will say is i like the points that
you stated about his running making his passing more effective, great point.
sffl:Just kidding about the typos.Hey, I did watch the
game.The talking heads on the MWC "22" program (is it the
last word/the only word? no; yet it does provide meaningful debate) have shown
time over time the TCU db's are the weak link on that team.RG had
success because he forced the TCU db's to choose between run support or
defending against the pass.He has had success this year because he
has forced all defenses to make the same choice.His potential to run
the ball has opened his passing game.(RG) "...throws the best
deep ball in college fb..."Better than Andrew Luck?Better than Matt Barkley?Better than Kellen More?Back
to your other point:As far as being a BYU fan, I am.I'm
also a fan of about 15 other teams.Another great weekend of college
FB starting Friday Night.Enjoy.
Utah to the Rose Bowl in its first season in he PAc 12. There is still hope. Byu
will be the national champion. Utah fans don't give up. Cougars keep your
chin-up. The real story is both teams are not that good. Maybe we could
combine them and go the Vagas Bowl. That is the only chance Utah has of a bowl
The fact is Utah stinks: Yet we beat 3 teams with a winning record.The
fact is BYU is good: Yet they haven't beat a team with a winning record.Utah has no offense, if the defense against Pitt shows up @RES:Utah 20OSU 17TCU is reloading:TCU 38BYU 33
@whatnowlike i said before go back and look at the tcu game and you'll see
how he beat them. through the air not on the ground. and 72 carries isnt a whole
lot to consider someone a pass first qb when he has more passes than carries,
and also had more tds than inc, and throws the best deep ball in college
football. and yes sorry wasnt paying attention when i was typing thanks for
pointing it out.
Vegas says TCU wins 35-21. I think BYU holds up better than that. The game comes
down to the last two drives, the team that gets in the end zone instead of
settling for FGs will take it. My heart says BYU, but as much as it pains me, my
head says "good showing, but BYU won't have a good season until next
year." I hope I'm wrong!
@nunyawhats irrelevant is byu always will be. its just fans like you who
pump yourselves up to be good when in reality YOU'RE NOT. period
..........and still enjoying that thrashing.
I wonder how long it will be that we don't see 54-10 in a comments section. I
sure hope its not till Utah has a winning record in the PAC-12 or another win
over BYU. We could still be hearing about it for years to come. I hope I'm
wrong but I just don't see BYU beating TCU this year. I believe that to have
their very best team they will need Jake Heaps. Maybe not this year but in the
years to come.TCU 31BYU 13Utah 20OSU 17
re:Oklahoma CougarI think you sort of have things reversed don't
you? Utah is the one in the PAC 12 playing in a BCS conference and BYU is
playing against Idaho State and hoping for credibility. Utah is having a bad
year and much of that has to do with their QB injury situation. Remember Utah
did destroy BYU by 40 in Provo. Yikes!! BYU fans needs to accept the fact that
their school hasn't been invited to any BCS conference yet and until they are
the Y is going to be the one searching for credibility. Utah already has it with
2 BCS wins and now a member of the Pac 12.
sffl:"...ust fla...ging...".Sticky keys?RG has more carries (72) than all Bears, other than the TB (104).@ 6'2 220,with sprinters speed, RG is a handful.The run game
opens up the passing game.Have a wonderful day.
@ sportsfanforlife....what? as appose to IRRELEVANT....like ur lil utes?
hahahahahaha....cracks me up because you guys will hit an all time low when you
lose to OSU this weekend. Life is good.
@ 2BCSWINS....um, you're not the smartest in your family huh? I can tell.
Anyway, of course TCU is down this year....and guess what? BYU is even more
down this year then last. Take a look at your irrelevant team...starting qb
goes down and POOF, nada. BYU had similar issues with a qb, didn't go down but
he stunk it up enough to justify bringing in our 2nd stringer (luxury utes don't
have). Yes it's BETTER to be in a the pac 10.2 then independence but it's WORSE
being the bottom feeder of the pac 10.2 then it is being independent. hahahaOSU 41utes 6
@whatnoweither you are very ignorant to the game or you ust fla out dont
know what is ging on in football. baylors qb is NOT a run first qb go back and
watch the game and you'll see that he won the game through the air. you byu fans
will say anything to try and make your team sound relevant.
Bet on the horse or bet on the jockey?Bet on BYU or bet on Riley?(Friendly bets: sodas etc..)TCU has beaten BYU lately.However... TCU is down/reloading. TCU has lost
games to bonafide oponents.TCU lost to a run first QB (Baylor).TCU and BYU are coming off basically BYE weeks.BYU is on a
hot streak.Ok.Riley leads BYU to a win.One
more thing:An ESPN/nation-wide/full-on/complete meltdown, at least
one, at Cowboys Stadium, by TCU Coach Patterson, would be a nice big bonus;Some "crumbs" for a UTE fan, who has seen and hopes to see
better days?With regard to the UTES:The OSU team that
played WSU on the road, in Seattle (no less) did not look like the same
tentative, oh no, here comes another loss team, that played against BYU in
Corvallis.I know, I know; consider the level of competition etc..Oh, ye of little faith.Here goes:As much as it
kills me to write this, OSU (somewhere in the 20's) UTAH (somewhere in the
single digits) unless the O,...maybe...naw...unless the D or ST scores for the
motorbike @ 10:38 amYou Ute fans should have the little barking dog
syndrome down pat after almost 30 years of nipping at the heels of your big
brother down south.And perhaps after five + years of mediocrity, we
can say the same thing about Running Ute basketball program. Nipping and
yapping and "marking it down". 2bcswins @ 8:07 amAfter accusing BYU fans of "living the past" it is now your turn to
live on your past glories. Seemingly will be many years of
mediocrity for all Ute teams (except for the wonderful Red Rocks) in the near
future. You may have landed in the land of big time. Hope you enjoy the
pending years of IRRELEVANCE.
hahahaha love hearin all these byu fans pound their chest like theyre actually
beating even half decent teams weak in and weak out (pun inteneded) when in
reality youre not. and youre poundin youre chest about getting a pac 12 win
before utah when you beat a terribly sorry osu team hahahahah. play the teams
utah has already played and beat them then talk about getting a decent pac 12
win. the article even says it yall havent beat a team with 1 winning record this
year utah has. THAT WAS YOU.
My friends and I love to watch BYU. We think they are doing fine. Will they
beat TCU? We will watch them in their next games regardless. I wish Utah well.
They certainly have had a tough time. I suspect 1.5 million screens Friday
night. That is big money. I like BYU playing all over the country. It will take
a few years to get a good scheduling system working properly. It is hard to
understand this bickering back and forth.
I think there's hope for both teams. TCU hasn't beaten a decent team this year
and Oregon State is an even bigger mess than Utah. If the defense keep it a low
scoring games and offenses control the clock I see a double win for the State of
Don't see BYU pulling this one off. It's a down year for TCU, but they will
still have a stiff defense. I hope I'm wrong, but I see TCU taking this one
I don't see this game as a tipping point for the Y one way or the other. BYU has
been off the national radar screen since the Texas loss and the surprising
benching of Heaps has most college football commentators seeing BYU as a program
in decline which I happen to agree. Bronco only signs a 3 year deal when he
could have had much more has some relevance as well regarding the future of BYU
football. As an independent, BYU isn't going to get ANY big time opponents to
play in Provo. There will always be the Utah game but that is small potatoes for
most folks across the country. You look at the recent high school recruits going
to the U compared to the Y and it is clear - at least in the state of Utah -
that BYU is no longer the BIG CHEESE in the state - UTAH is. BYU could come back
to even par with Utah IF they were to get an invite to the BIG 12 but that seems
more and more like a pipe dream.
BYU needs to decide what kind of team it wants to be long-term.If
you want a talented straight drop-back passer, with a pass-first offense, then
recruit for that.If you want a multipurpose quarterback, in a
run-first offense, then recruit for that.But don't recruit one of
the most talented drop-back passers in the US - Jake Heaps - and then put him in
an offense that works better with a more mobile quarterback. We did
not recruit Jake Heaps to play defense and throw himself at guys or volunteer to
get hurt on special teams.For years guys like John Beck and others
would slide at the coaches direction, to avoid injuries that take your leader
out. So what.Issues with Jake Heaps have been way overstated. He did
do a lot of good things earlier in the year. He also in my view was a victim of
poor play-calling. At key points BYU would revert to "dink and dunk"
and "three yards and a cloud of dust." Jake wasn't recruited for that,
Mark this down--Cellar Bowl prediction:Colorado 35Utah 13Utes first BCS Bowl game!
A lot of Coug fans nipping and barking like that of little dogs when the big dog
is down.But the big dogs' wounds will heal while BYU will always remain
the noisy little dog - well outside of about one week per year compliments of a
status reminder from the big dog. Get used to 54-10...I can't wait for QCW
(quiet Cougar week) again next year. Such a peaceful time of year.
I think it would be funny if the Ute go to the Vegas bowl.
I have a dream, that football in the state of Utah will one day reign
supreme.(That's why its called a dream)When you think
about it, Utahs pace of progression from economy to athletics, it will only
continue to progress.Utah is one of the few places that still creates
families, as other places produces less and utah produces more eveventually the
scales will tip. Bigger, stronger, faster with better coaching training
competition and more money.
Could we please, please, please have all the teams in this state have consistent
wins against every quality opponent they play? Until then, Utah is just a state
with so-so to sometimes pretty good teams. BYU and Utah have all had a few
shining moments in the sun, USU came close to a couple this year, but in the
end, we do not beat the big teams on a consistent enough basis to garner the
respect we want from the BCS. Doesn't matter whether we are Independent or PAC
12. As much as BYU and the U are rivals, the two programs are similar in their
success and lack thereof.
It cracks me up when ute fans tell BYU fans that they would rather be 3-4 than
6-2. Or the better one was they would rather be the bottom of something then the
top of nothing.How does that recruiting conversation go...the u: "Sure we went 0-8 last year in conference, and didn't go to a
bowl, but we are still in an AQ conference. And we have 2 BCS wins!"The recruit: "no thanks, I will play for ANYONE else who has a
winning record. ASU, Washington, or even BYU. At least their games are on
TV."But...54-10! Wow you beat BYU, congratulations,
yippee.In the last 12 games (including last year) you have been
handled by everyone who is worth anything.And you are trying to
convince BYU fans you're better? Its an ugly contest. Fine, u win. Happy?2008 was a long, long, long, time ago.
I have one quibble with the article...can you really say so definitively that
Pitta was the best tight end ever at BYU? I think I'll stick with Chad Lewis.
That is all, back to your usual BYU/Utah hatefest.
You know what helps with obscurity? Top 25. BYU is receiving votes and if they
beat TCU or lose to TCU and win out including their bowl game = top 25 ranking.
Go Cougars, beat TCU.
Hummmmm, I actually liked this article and agree with Dick!Take
Note; Have wife make a Doctors appointment, something might be wrong with me.You called it like is Dick, good job.Amen Bro. Harmon
Cougar fans, buckle up. This is going to be a rough ride. I've seen good BYU
teams in the past. This one is not one of them.TCU 42 BYU 24Utah fans, your season ended at Cal. Your team will be lucky to go to
any bowl game this year. And, frankly, your team's QB situation looks about as
bright as a graveyard on Halloween night. Could be a long couple of years.
@ LaserRight on, nice winning record come back. Now this is an
example of a Cougar Nation post that is direct, applicable and smart.
You missed the obvious comparison. OSU presents a measuring stick for Utah and
the rejuvenated Cougars. If the utes can't beat the same Beavers team that BYU
dominated two weeks ago (much more than the 10 point margin on the final
scoreboard), we'll know that the Cougars truly have been able to rise up.I wouldn't bet against the Cougs to come away from Cowboys stadium with
another win. It's ridiculous that this TCU team is favored by 13 points.
as crazy as this sounds I think BYU has a chance to beat TCU this year and the
main reason - the totally unorthodox and quirky play of Reily Nelson at QB. TCU
has always had a tough - close - game against Air Force in the past and BYU is
more like Air Force this year than traditional BYU. I predict a close game
...TCU 31 BYU 28 or BYU 27 TCU 24
This stuff is getting old. Let's just play and enjoy the game and congratulate
the Ute and Cougar players. They deserve it. This is what football is all
about. How to deal with adversity and overcome. Who cares who is the pretiest
which what this silly conference merri-go-round is--just a bunch of money hungry
execs. and boosters. The real heroes are the ones on the field--giving their
best day in and day out, win or loss. This is what is fun to watch a teams find
a way to win.
It's great to see this INDEPENDENT and PAC 12 working out so nicely for two Utah
teams.......in the mean time, BYU is still dreaming for a Big 12 option and it
looks like Louisville is getting all the love!
@AK Cougar | 11:06 p.m. Oct. 26, 2011 Palmer, AK "TCU for their
5 wins have played some pretty cup cake teams. Their only quality win was
against Air Force."Who exactly was the Y's quality win? Idaho
St.? San Jose St.? Utah St.? Oregon St. I think they have pretty much played all
the St. teams in college football. TCU is definitley down compared to where they
have been the last couple of years. The Y scheduled them this year banking on
that, I still see the Y taking another beating in this one however. A down
TCU/Utah team is still 44 points better then the Y. No worries though the Y
still has the armed forces bowl, and the wins over the mighty teams in the WAC
to hang their hat on, lol.
AtL134, you do know sagarin is reflective, not necessarily predictive, right?
More wins and a teams score would be higher and they'd have beaten THOSE
"teams they were supposed to."
Love the Sloan/Fesenko reference in the first line. He was worth keeping last
year for that line alone.
ET: 0-5 really sucks doesn't it.
Utah has only beat 1 team this year with a winning record...BYU. OSU is much
better than their record, they have a huge reciever. Utah won't beat this team
with a losing record. BYU probably has resolved the qb issue for the
year and TCU also has played a weak schedule. BYU's defense won't be confused
by TCU, Nelson has enough moxi and an Appo and Hoffman to win by a field goal.
Both teams have pretty much beaten the teams they're ranked higher than and lost
to the ones they're ranked lower than. Both teams are in the 50s in the sagarin
rankings and have one almost-win against a higher team (texas and USC). The good
news for utah is that oregon state is one of three teams ranked worse than 100
that are on their schedule (and they haven't played the other two yet either).
This marks the first EVER Harmon article I have actually been interested in.
Good article and comparisons here. BYU is headed in the right direction. I
hope Harmon's prediction about BYU vs TCU is incorrect. It will be a tough
contest, but I have a hunch BYU will pull this one out. TCU for their 5 wins
have played some pretty cup cake teams. Their only quality win was against Air
Force. Their defense and offense are full of speed, but BYU has some of its own
firepower. I see BYU winning this one in a close one. Go Cougars.
Nope! It's not only Riley. Add Alisa and the emergence of Cody Hoffman and
it's:BYU 31TCU 28
owlmaster2...no, really? thanks for pointing out that which was already obvious
but what do you expect from a ute....anyway I tend to agree that it's better to
lose against great teams then to win against weak teams but the notion that
you'd rather be at the bottom of something than the top of nothing is actually
not real..basically you're not telling the truth with your attempt at trying to
make it look like it's great to be last, as long as you're in the pac 10.2.
Hahahaha, great try though. As I said in another post...I've never seen a team
go from top of the world to irrelevant so quick as I've seen the runaway utes
do, you guys are good at it. How quick?...in only 7 games quick. hahahaha,
laughing way out loud.
I agree with Mr. Harmon's article. I just hope he's wrong with his
54 - 10 is a very familiar number nunya. I think that was the last game bYu had
that presented any competition. By the way, you can keep ETB, we don't want
him.And yes, I'd rather be the bottom of something than the top of
why yes there is sir....there is a sorrier pac 10.2 team....they are also known
as utes, utah, runaway utes and the newest name is IRRELEVANT. hahahahaOSU 54irrelevant 10
owlmaster2You're confused. ETB is a confused Utah fan who is fond of
posting silliness just to get a reaction.
Re: Owlmaster-Thank goodness for BYU fans, Ernest is one of your
own. He's a Ute fan through and through who posts ridiculous posts on any and
every article on BYU.
Most balanced and insightful opinion I'very read on both trams all year. Neither
team has season-worthy bragging rights (though head to head prowess was
undeniably the Utes' to claim) and both still have much to prove. Nice work, Mr. Harmon.
Pfffftt!!! Jealous?? Jealous of what Ernest?? Nothing? Your team is
Independent and plays for nothing. No matter how many Junior Colleges you beat
you win nothing.I do cheer for bYu when they aren't playing the U but to
assume anyone is jealous of nothing is pretty funny actually.
Honestly, a big time win on a national stage against a quality opponent is way
over due. Hard to underestimate just how badly Bronco and the boys need this
win on a national stage. Lose and we slip further into irrelevance.Although it may be a bit premature, it seems that this game and this next few
weeks may be a tipping point for the entire BYU football program. Even though
just a fear at this point, many of us are concerned that BYU may end up on the
outside looking in as the Big XII and others continue to ignore the Cougs and
choose lesser programs that don't bring so much baggage to the negotating table.
Independence may prove us all wrong in the long run, but it is kind
of pitiful to watch johnny-come-lately teams like Utah/Boise State/TCU and
perhaps AFA, Houston, SMU and others be invited to the big table. Really hope I am wrong and BYU comes up big Friday night and takes coach
Patterson and his Big XII bound Horned Frogs to the woodshed. Its payback time
and its long overdue!
@Ernest T. Bass "That's how it goes when everyone wants to be us or is
super jealous of us."And, ironically enough, here you are on a
BYU comment board, validating your own sarcastic statement.Jealous
much? Or have you completely given up on the Utes this year and have decided to
convert over to a team that has actually won a game in the PAC 12?Either way, it's pretty hilarious :)Go Cougars!
Isn't it great when people recommend their own comment? Usual ridiculous remark.
We have always had way more credibility than any other programs. We cougars are
number one every year in credibility. That's how it goes when everyone wants to
be us or is super jealous of us.