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Dick Harmon: Cougars have chance for credibility, Utes look to avoid 0-5 start in Pac-12

Cougars seek credibility against TCU

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  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    @won84
    hey bro hows actually playin a good team feel? you done poudin your chest over thos highschool teams now? and funny that you say i turn on the tv hoping to see them lose when in reality i have A LOT of friends on that team. i dont have a problem with anyone on the byu team i jsut have a problem with fans like you. LOL. your team is not good and it shows against someone with a winning record not all those 1-5 teams your beating and poundin your chest about

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Thanks for the article Dick

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    "you byu fans will say anything to try and make your team sound relevant."

    Oh manfanforlife, we don't have to say anything. You as well as ESPN do it for us.

    The best way the Ute fans could attack BYU is to quit giving them attention. If you truly want BYU to become irrelevant stop "seizing the opportunity" to post or comment on them and stop turning on the TV hoping to watch them lose.

    You've created much of your problem though I might credit some of BYU's relevance to years of winning.

    Though, I must admit, I would probably do the same if it were possible to find a nationally televised Ute game.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Talk about two teams going in opposite directions:

    - Last year, Utah going BCS and BYU going independent

    - This year, Utah being irrelevant in the new Pac-12 and BYU being quite relevant in BCS Big 12 talk

    - This year, BYU finding its QB and Utah losing its

    - This year, BYU getting on the winning track after losing to Utah and Utah getting on the losing track after beating BYU

    - This year, BYU going bowling and Utah not (after their fans talk up their Pac-12 championship; NOT!)

    Maybe next year will be different? Well, BYU will likely be better (more experienced QB) and Utah will still be looking for a BCS-quality QB.

  • 4YNWYOMING Evanston, WY
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    Oregon actually looked good against the Cougs. Even with the turnovers, they looked good. My guess is that they will "rise-up" and allow the red to continue to bleed from the Utes. Hays is nowhere as good as Riley. That will be their ticket. The lack of execution by Hays.

    Utah 14
    OreSt 26

    BYU wins! Don't care what the score is. BYU will win.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    *announcers

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    @whatnow
    yeah actually better than all those guys. check his stats he at one point had more tds than incompletions i dont know if thats still the case. announces have also said numerous times"he throws the best deep ball in college football"
    but one thing i will say is i like the points that you stated about his running making his passing more effective, great point.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    sffl:

    Just kidding about the typos.

    Hey, I did watch the game.

    The talking heads on the MWC "22" program (is it the last word/the only word? no; yet it does provide meaningful debate) have shown time over time the TCU db's are the weak link on that team.

    RG had success because he forced the TCU db's to choose between run support or defending against the pass.

    He has had success this year because he has forced all defenses to make the same choice.

    His potential to run the ball has opened his passing game.

    (RG) "...throws the best deep ball in college fb..."

    Better than Andrew Luck?

    Better than Matt Barkley?

    Better than Kellen More?

    Back to your other point:

    As far as being a BYU fan, I am.

    I'm also a fan of about 15 other teams.

    Another great weekend of college FB starting Friday Night.

    Enjoy.

  • goinfishn Orem, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Utah to the Rose Bowl in its first season in he PAc 12. There is still hope. Byu will be the national champion. Utah fans don't give up. Cougars keep your chin-up.
    The real story is both teams are not that good. Maybe we could combine them and go the Vagas Bowl. That is the only chance Utah has of a bowl game.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    The fact is Utah stinks: Yet we beat 3 teams with a winning record.
    The fact is BYU is good: Yet they haven't beat a team with a winning record.

    Utah has no offense, if the defense against Pitt shows up @RES:

    Utah 20
    OSU 17

    TCU is reloading:

    TCU 38
    BYU 33

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    @whatnow
    like i said before go back and look at the tcu game and you'll see how he beat them. through the air not on the ground. and 72 carries isnt a whole lot to consider someone a pass first qb when he has more passes than carries, and also had more tds than inc, and throws the best deep ball in college football. and yes sorry wasnt paying attention when i was typing thanks for pointing it out.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    Vegas says TCU wins 35-21. I think BYU holds up better than that. The game comes down to the last two drives, the team that gets in the end zone instead of settling for FGs will take it. My heart says BYU, but as much as it pains me, my head says "good showing, but BYU won't have a good season until next year." I hope I'm wrong!

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    @nunya
    whats irrelevant is byu always will be. its just fans like you who pump yourselves up to be good when in reality YOU'RE NOT. period

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    ..........and still enjoying that thrashing.

  • I4C4U Wellsville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    I wonder how long it will be that we don't see 54-10 in a comments section. I sure hope its not till Utah has a winning record in the PAC-12 or another win over BYU. We could still be hearing about it for years to come.
    I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see BYU beating TCU this year. I believe that to have their very best team they will need Jake Heaps. Maybe not this year but in the years to come.

    TCU 31
    BYU 13

    Utah 20
    OSU 17

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    re:Oklahoma Cougar

    I think you sort of have things reversed don't you? Utah is the one in the PAC 12 playing in a BCS conference and BYU is playing against Idaho State and hoping for credibility. Utah is having a bad year and much of that has to do with their QB injury situation. Remember Utah did destroy BYU by 40 in Provo. Yikes!! BYU fans needs to accept the fact that their school hasn't been invited to any BCS conference yet and until they are the Y is going to be the one searching for credibility. Utah already has it with 2 BCS wins and now a member of the Pac 12.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    sffl:

    "...ust fla...ging...".

    Sticky keys?

    RG has more carries (72) than all Bears, other than the TB (104).

    @ 6'2 220,with sprinters speed, RG is a handful.

    The run game opens up the passing game.

    Have a wonderful day.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    @ sportsfanforlife....what? as appose to IRRELEVANT....like ur lil utes? hahahahahaha....cracks me up because you guys will hit an all time low when you lose to OSU this weekend. Life is good.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    @ 2BCSWINS....um, you're not the smartest in your family huh? I can tell. Anyway, of course TCU is down this year....and guess what? BYU is even more down this year then last. Take a look at your irrelevant team...starting qb goes down and POOF, nada. BYU had similar issues with a qb, didn't go down but he stunk it up enough to justify bringing in our 2nd stringer (luxury utes don't have). Yes it's BETTER to be in a the pac 10.2 then independence but it's WORSE being the bottom feeder of the pac 10.2 then it is being independent. hahaha

    OSU 41
    utes 6

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    @whatnow
    either you are very ignorant to the game or you ust fla out dont know what is ging on in football. baylors qb is NOT a run first qb go back and watch the game and you'll see that he won the game through the air. you byu fans will say anything to try and make your team sound relevant.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    Bet on the horse or bet on the jockey?

    Bet on BYU or bet on Riley?

    (Friendly bets: sodas etc..)

    TCU has beaten BYU lately.

    However...

    TCU is down/reloading.

    TCU has lost games to bonafide oponents.

    TCU lost to a run first QB (Baylor).

    TCU and BYU are coming off basically BYE weeks.

    BYU is on a hot streak.

    Ok.

    Riley leads BYU to a win.

    One more thing:

    An ESPN/nation-wide/full-on/complete meltdown, at least one, at Cowboys Stadium, by TCU Coach Patterson, would be a nice big bonus;

    Some "crumbs" for a UTE fan, who has seen and hopes to see better days?

    With regard to the UTES:

    The OSU team that played WSU on the road, in Seattle (no less) did not look like the same tentative, oh no, here comes another loss team, that played against BYU in Corvallis.

    I know, I know; consider the level of competition etc..

    Oh, ye of little faith.

    Here goes:

    As much as it kills me to write this, OSU (somewhere in the 20's) UTAH (somewhere in the single digits) unless the O,...maybe...naw...unless the D or ST scores for the UTES.

  • Oklahoma Cougar Mustang, OK
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    motorbike @ 10:38 am

    You Ute fans should have the little barking dog syndrome down pat after almost 30 years of nipping at the heels of your big brother down south.

    And perhaps after five + years of mediocrity, we can say the same thing about Running Ute basketball program. Nipping and yapping and "marking it down".

    2bcswins @ 8:07 am

    After accusing BYU fans of "living the past" it is now your turn to live on your past glories.

    Seemingly will be many years of mediocrity for all Ute teams (except for the wonderful Red Rocks) in the near future. You may have landed in the land of big time. Hope you enjoy the pending years of IRRELEVANCE.

  • sportsman101 salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    hahahaha love hearin all these byu fans pound their chest like theyre actually beating even half decent teams weak in and weak out (pun inteneded) when in reality youre not. and youre poundin youre chest about getting a pac 12 win before utah when you beat a terribly sorry osu team hahahahah. play the teams utah has already played and beat them then talk about getting a decent pac 12 win. the article even says it yall havent beat a team with 1 winning record this year utah has. THAT WAS YOU.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    My friends and I love to watch BYU. We think they are doing fine. Will they beat TCU? We will watch them in their next games regardless. I wish Utah well. They certainly have had a tough time. I suspect 1.5 million screens Friday night. That is big money. I like BYU playing all over the country. It will take a few years to get a good scheduling system working properly. It is hard to understand this bickering back and forth.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    I think there's hope for both teams. TCU hasn't beaten a decent team this year and Oregon State is an even bigger mess than Utah. If the defense keep it a low scoring games and offenses control the clock I see a double win for the State of Utah.

  • Bob Cratchet Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Don't see BYU pulling this one off. It's a down year for TCU, but they will still have a stiff defense. I hope I'm wrong, but I see TCU taking this one home.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    I don't see this game as a tipping point for the Y one way or the other. BYU has been off the national radar screen since the Texas loss and the surprising benching of Heaps has most college football commentators seeing BYU as a program in decline which I happen to agree. Bronco only signs a 3 year deal when he could have had much more has some relevance as well regarding the future of BYU football. As an independent, BYU isn't going to get ANY big time opponents to play in Provo. There will always be the Utah game but that is small potatoes for most folks across the country. You look at the recent high school recruits going to the U compared to the Y and it is clear - at least in the state of Utah - that BYU is no longer the BIG CHEESE in the state - UTAH is. BYU could come back to even par with Utah IF they were to get an invite to the BIG 12 but that seems more and more like a pipe dream.

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    BYU needs to decide what kind of team it wants to be long-term.

    If you want a talented straight drop-back passer, with a pass-first offense, then recruit for that.

    If you want a multipurpose quarterback, in a run-first offense, then recruit for that.

    But don't recruit one of the most talented drop-back passers in the US - Jake Heaps - and then put him in an offense that works better with a more mobile quarterback.

    We did not recruit Jake Heaps to play defense and throw himself at guys or volunteer to get hurt on special teams.

    For years guys like John Beck and others would slide at the coaches direction, to avoid injuries that take your leader out. So what.

    Issues with Jake Heaps have been way overstated. He did do a lot of good things earlier in the year. He also in my view was a victim of poor play-calling. At key points BYU would revert to "dink and dunk" and "three yards and a cloud of dust." Jake wasn't recruited for that, either.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    Mark this down--

    Cellar Bowl prediction:

    Colorado 35
    Utah 13

    Utes first BCS Bowl game!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    A lot of Coug fans nipping and barking like that of little dogs when the big dog is down.
    But the big dogs' wounds will heal while BYU will always remain the noisy little dog - well outside of about one week per year compliments of a status reminder from the big dog.
    Get used to 54-10...I can't wait for QCW (quiet Cougar week) again next year. Such a peaceful time of year.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    I think it would be funny if the Ute go to the Vegas bowl.

  • Northern Logan, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    I have a dream, that football in the state of Utah will one day reign supreme.

    (That's why its called a dream)

    When you think about it, Utahs pace of progression from economy to athletics, it will only continue to progress.
    Utah is one of the few places that still creates families, as other places produces less and utah produces more eveventually the scales will tip.
    Bigger, stronger, faster with better coaching training competition and more money.

  • BigRich Orem, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Could we please, please, please have all the teams in this state have consistent wins against every quality opponent they play? Until then, Utah is just a state with so-so to sometimes pretty good teams. BYU and Utah have all had a few shining moments in the sun, USU came close to a couple this year, but in the end, we do not beat the big teams on a consistent enough basis to garner the respect we want from the BCS. Doesn't matter whether we are Independent or PAC 12. As much as BYU and the U are rivals, the two programs are similar in their success and lack thereof.

  • Rickwell, P. Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    It cracks me up when ute fans tell BYU fans that they would rather be 3-4 than 6-2. Or the better one was they would rather be the bottom of something then the top of nothing.

    How does that recruiting conversation go...

    the u: "Sure we went 0-8 last year in conference, and didn't go to a bowl, but we are still in an AQ conference. And we have 2 BCS wins!"

    The recruit: "no thanks, I will play for ANYONE else who has a winning record. ASU, Washington, or even BYU. At least their games are on TV."

    But...54-10!

    Wow you beat BYU, congratulations, yippee.

    In the last 12 games (including last year) you have been handled by everyone who is worth anything.

    And you are trying to convince BYU fans you're better? Its an ugly contest. Fine, u win. Happy?

    2008 was a long, long, long, time ago.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    I have one quibble with the article...can you really say so definitively that Pitta was the best tight end ever at BYU? I think I'll stick with Chad Lewis. That is all, back to your usual BYU/Utah hatefest.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    You know what helps with obscurity? Top 25. BYU is receiving votes and if they beat TCU or lose to TCU and win out including their bowl game = top 25 ranking. Go Cougars, beat TCU.

  • U4Me Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Hummmmm, I actually liked this article and agree with Dick!

    Take Note; Have wife make a Doctors appointment, something might be wrong with me.

    You called it like is Dick, good job.

    Amen Bro. Harmon

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Cougar fans, buckle up. This is going to be a rough ride. I've seen good BYU teams in the past. This one is not one of them.

    TCU 42 BYU 24

    Utah fans, your season ended at Cal. Your team will be lucky to go to any bowl game this year. And, frankly, your team's QB situation looks about as bright as a graveyard on Halloween night. Could be a long couple of years.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    @ Laser

    Right on, nice winning record come back. Now this is an example of a Cougar Nation post that is direct, applicable and smart.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    You missed the obvious comparison. OSU presents a measuring stick for Utah and the rejuvenated Cougars. If the utes can't beat the same Beavers team that BYU dominated two weeks ago (much more than the 10 point margin on the final scoreboard), we'll know that the Cougars truly have been able to rise up.

    I wouldn't bet against the Cougs to come away from Cowboys stadium with another win. It's ridiculous that this TCU team is favored by 13 points.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    as crazy as this sounds I think BYU has a chance to beat TCU this year and the main reason - the totally unorthodox and quirky play of Reily Nelson at QB. TCU has always had a tough - close - game against Air Force in the past and BYU is more like Air Force this year than traditional BYU. I predict a close game ...

    TCU 31 BYU 28

    or

    BYU 27 TCU 24

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    This stuff is getting old. Let's just play and enjoy the game and congratulate the Ute and Cougar players. They deserve it. This is what football is all about. How to deal with adversity and overcome. Who cares who is the pretiest which what this silly conference merri-go-round is--just a bunch of money hungry execs. and boosters. The real heroes are the ones on the field--giving their best day in and day out, win or loss. This is what is fun to watch a teams find a way to win.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    It's great to see this INDEPENDENT and PAC 12 working out so nicely for two Utah teams.......in the mean time, BYU is still dreaming for a Big 12 option and it looks like Louisville is getting all the love!

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    @AK Cougar | 11:06 p.m. Oct. 26, 2011
    Palmer, AK
    "TCU for their 5 wins have played some pretty cup cake teams. Their only quality win was against Air Force."

    Who exactly was the Y's quality win? Idaho St.? San Jose St.? Utah St.? Oregon St. I think they have pretty much played all the St. teams in college football. TCU is definitley down compared to where they have been the last couple of years. The Y scheduled them this year banking on that, I still see the Y taking another beating in this one however. A down TCU/Utah team is still 44 points better then the Y. No worries though the Y still has the armed forces bowl, and the wins over the mighty teams in the WAC to hang their hat on, lol.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    AtL134, you do know sagarin is reflective, not necessarily predictive, right? More wins and a teams score would be higher and they'd have beaten THOSE "teams they were supposed to."

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Love the Sloan/Fesenko reference in the first line. He was worth keeping last year for that line alone.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    ET:

    0-5 really sucks doesn't it.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    Utah has only beat 1 team this year with a winning record...BYU. OSU is much better than their record, they have a huge reciever. Utah won't beat this team with a losing record.

    BYU probably has resolved the qb issue for the year and TCU also has played a weak schedule. BYU's defense won't be confused by TCU, Nelson has enough moxi and an Appo and Hoffman to win by a field goal.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    Both teams have pretty much beaten the teams they're ranked higher than and lost to the ones they're ranked lower than. Both teams are in the 50s in the sagarin rankings and have one almost-win against a higher team (texas and USC). The good news for utah is that oregon state is one of three teams ranked worse than 100 that are on their schedule (and they haven't played the other two yet either).

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Oct. 26, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    This marks the first EVER Harmon article I have actually been interested in. Gongrats, Dick.

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Oct. 26, 2011 11:06 p.m.

    Good article and comparisons here. BYU is headed in the right direction. I hope Harmon's prediction about BYU vs TCU is incorrect. It will be a tough contest, but I have a hunch BYU will pull this one out. TCU for their 5 wins have played some pretty cup cake teams. Their only quality win was against Air Force. Their defense and offense are full of speed, but BYU has some of its own firepower.

    I see BYU winning this one in a close one.

    Go Cougars.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 26, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    Nope! It's not only Riley. Add Alisa and the emergence of Cody Hoffman and it's:

    BYU 31
    TCU 28

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Oct. 26, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    owlmaster2...no, really? thanks for pointing out that which was already obvious but what do you expect from a ute....anyway I tend to agree that it's better to lose against great teams then to win against weak teams but the notion that you'd rather be at the bottom of something than the top of nothing is actually not real..basically you're not telling the truth with your attempt at trying to make it look like it's great to be last, as long as you're in the pac 10.2. Hahahaha, great try though. As I said in another post...I've never seen a team go from top of the world to irrelevant so quick as I've seen the runaway utes do, you guys are good at it. How quick?...in only 7 games quick. hahahaha, laughing way out loud.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 26, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    I agree with Mr. Harmon's article. I just hope he's wrong with his predictions....

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    54 - 10 is a very familiar number nunya. I think that was the last game bYu had that presented any competition. By the way, you can keep ETB, we don't want him.
    And yes, I'd rather be the bottom of something than the top of nothing.

  • nunya sacramento, ca
    Oct. 26, 2011 9:25 p.m.

    why yes there is sir....there is a sorrier pac 10.2 team....they are also known as utes, utah, runaway utes and the newest name is IRRELEVANT. hahahaha

    OSU 54
    irrelevant 10

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 26, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    owlmaster2

    You're confused. ETB is a confused Utah fan who is fond of posting silliness just to get a reaction.

  • Shake -n- Bake Woods Cross, Utah
    Oct. 26, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Re: Owlmaster-

    Thank goodness for BYU fans, Ernest is one of your own. He's a Ute fan through and through who posts ridiculous posts on any and every article on BYU.

  • mo Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    Most balanced and insightful opinion I'very read on both trams all year. Neither team has season-worthy bragging rights (though head to head prowess was undeniably the Utes' to claim) and both still have much to prove.

    Nice work, Mr. Harmon.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    Pfffftt!!! Jealous?? Jealous of what Ernest?? Nothing? Your team is Independent and plays for nothing. No matter how many Junior Colleges you beat you win nothing.
    I do cheer for bYu when they aren't playing the U but to assume anyone is jealous of nothing is pretty funny actually.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Honestly, a big time win on a national stage against a quality opponent is way over due. Hard to underestimate just how badly Bronco and the boys need this win on a national stage. Lose and we slip further into irrelevance.

    Although it may be a bit premature, it seems that this game and this next few weeks may be a tipping point for the entire BYU football program. Even though just a fear at this point, many of us are concerned that BYU may end up on the outside looking in as the Big XII and others continue to ignore the Cougs and choose lesser programs that don't bring so much baggage to the negotating table.

    Independence may prove us all wrong in the long run, but it is kind of pitiful to watch johnny-come-lately teams like Utah/Boise State/TCU and perhaps AFA, Houston, SMU and others be invited to the big table.

    Really hope I am wrong and BYU comes up big Friday night and takes coach Patterson and his Big XII bound Horned Frogs to the woodshed. Its payback time and its long overdue!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 8:52 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass "That's how it goes when everyone wants to be us or is super jealous of us."

    And, ironically enough, here you are on a BYU comment board, validating your own sarcastic statement.

    Jealous much? Or have you completely given up on the Utes this year and have decided to convert over to a team that has actually won a game in the PAC 12?

    Either way, it's pretty hilarious :)

    Go Cougars!

  • SoUtHapa Saint George, Utah
    Oct. 26, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    Isn't it great when people recommend their own comment? Usual ridiculous remark. Nice, ETB!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 26, 2011 8:27 p.m.

    We have always had way more credibility than any other programs. We cougars are number one every year in credibility. That's how it goes when everyone wants to be us or is super jealous of us.