For a grueling workout of your critical thinking skills, nothing beats a few
university courses in philosophy.
I don't buy into the idea that education's sole purpose is to provide
"marketable skills," and that if it doesn't it is a "waste."
In my view the purpose of education is to improve the quality of ones life, not
just the quantity. People can make a contribution to society in ways other than
monetarily. Don't we still need authors, musicians, actors, painters,
philosophers, etc., even when these professions may not be lucrative? Hooray for
liberal education and those who specialize in it.
Harry, its the individual's time to waste, is it not? If they want to waste it
learning new things who are we to naysay them their wasted time? And I'd hardly
say that a broad education is a waste of time. It also depends on how one
defines "marketable skills".
I completely disagree with this letter. Critical thinking skills are in short
supply, and such skill can and should be taught beyond mathematics.
I'll have to take issue that "math" fosters critical thinking.
Indeed, much of today's economic woes come from Wall Street applying supposedly
sophisticated economic mathematical models, invented by "ivory tower"
economists and finance professors. They believed they could model risk into
those fancy mathematical models, and Wall Street used that "math" to
gamble our investments away and then take a bailout from the federal
government... not much critical thinking there!
Career is not the only reason we pursue an education, though creative people can
make a career out of anything they love. The letter writer wants us to become a
world of drones.
Math is a great skill to aid critical thinking and in the understanding of many
subjects.But it is definitely not the same as critical thinking.Critical thinking is exploratory thinking. Testing both prior
assumptions and new theories. It helps us check for vulnerabilities.
Re: "For a grueling workout of your critical thinking skills, nothing beats
a few university courses in philosophy."Hmmmm. I took a few
university courses in philosophy. For the easy humanities credit. I came
closest to studying critical thinking in science, math and engineering. But, my
real critical-thinking education came in the workplace, both during and after
[my wife and I worked my way through] college, learning to compete in a
real-life job market.Sorry, but no ivory-tower college class focuses
the mind as acutely on critical thinking tasks as does figuring out where your
next meal will come from."Educators" quite often miss this
According to the "Critical Thinking Community", the definition of
Critical Thinking is:"Critical thinking is the intellectually
disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying,
analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or
generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication,
as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal
intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy,
precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth,
and fairness."Judging by that definition, the best way to teach
critical thinking, without getting the bias of the instructor, would be through
math and science. The humanities is a bad place to teach critical thinking
because the "correct" answer is determined by the instructor.Basically, teaching critical thinking in the humanities has become
indoctrination to the instructor's point of view.
Maybe we need to require a degree in "Critical Thinking" before anyone
can be elected to public office.
@ procuradorfiscalI think you're confusing critical thinking with
practical problem solving. We need both, but they're not the same thing.
Redshirt:Science is not a safe harbor from opinionated instruction,
as the climate change debate demonstrates. In Kansas I understand they teach
the earth is 6000 years old and evolution doesn't exist.You may be
able to avoid human opinion in arithmetic and geometry, but the theoretical
debates in higher math get heated, as well.Maybe the best thing to
do is to teach children (and adults) that they should think for themselves and
question what they hear, in politics, religion, education, math and other
areas.Some people call that critical thinking.
Here's my outsider truthful philosophy, and, I said I'll tell ya'll the truth, I
didn't say you'll like it. In Utah it's "NEVER" a surprise to see a
RINO/Liberal professor from Utah State University, jump to the defense of the
status quo, regarding a liberal arts education, if their courses teach the art
of "critical thinking," should there be a Major then of "critical
common sense"?. Opps, there's something I forgot, the profession of
journalism, has no common sense, it it bleeds, it leads, they are tought. And
yet, it's a terrible waste of time and resources, both private and public tax
dollars. "MORE" Scandals in the Classroom ?. They could be a
Teacher?. BUT Elementary school curriculum isn't just about the three R's any
more. Reading, Riting and Rithmetic, now have to make time for lessons in gender
diversity and for nosy questionnaires that lead kids into teen sex and illegal
drug usage. They get their "sheep skin", get out in the real world,
can't find a job, while graduating without any marketable skills, live home with
mommie, owe studient loans, live off the American tax payers, and give those low
paying jobs to the illegals. My views.
Re: "I think you're confusing critical thinking with practical problem
solving. We need both, but they're not the same thing."Oh, I'm
pretty sure I know "purposeful, analytical, reflective judgment concerning
what to believe or what to do; logical thinking that draws conclusions from
facts and evidence" when I see it.Tertiary-level
"educators," on the other hand -- well, that's another story.
To "10CC | 9:17 a.m." yes, at the higher theoretical levels there are
still debates. However, at the level that most students will see when getting a
bachelors degree, the theoretical levels of math and physics do not enter into
the discussion.You can have students look at data for many well
known reproducable scientific principals that can get students to think and
reason. You don't have those types of exercises in sociology, english, history,
or other fields that are more dependant on opinion of the instructors than on
simple mathematical equations.
"The fact of the matter is that many of those who attend college wind up
with a broad education, while at the same time, graduating without any
marketable skills. This is a terrible waste of time and resources, both private
and public." ~ Harry Haycock============== College
is not about gaining a "marketable skills".That would be
called a "Trade School".Critical thinking: is
learning how to think outside of the box, using completely unorthodox
views or practices, opening your mind to new, and better ways of doing
things.Making Paradigm shifts on everything on every level.It's called INNOVATION.Research and Development is doing something not
in existance.So, how can you "market" something that doesn't
even exist?FYI - The World's greatest Critical Thinkers and
innovators dropped out of College due to their emphasis on "marketable
skills".Thomas Edison, Albert Einstein, Steve Jobs,
Bill Gates....They never learned "marketable skills"
- but because of that, they created completely new markets.You won't
learn that kind of Critical thinking at "Glenn Beck University", or
any other Capitalist based schools who focus on making the most gain $$$.That's why Universities and Professors are so "Liberal".Everything Capitalist Conservatives dispise with a passion.
Twin Lights states, "Critical thinking is exploratory thinking. Testing
both prior assumptions and new theories. It helps us check for
vulnerabilities."I couldn't agree more. So why is it that
Liberals don't do any of this? There is nothing exploratory in their thinking.
They don't test prior assumptions or even look at new theories. Their ultimate
vulnerability is that they cling to the old, failed policies of the past.Why Libs don't learn from their mistakes is beyond me but their are the
gold standard for insanity --- doing the same failed thing over and over
expecting a different outcome.And yet we are told by the so-called,
self-proclaimed, deep critical thinkers that their way is the only way and we
are foolish if we don't listen to them and let them run our lives.Thanks but no thanks. Maybe when an original idea comes out of the Left that
hasn't been tried or failed before I'll take notice.Until then, I'll
continue to stick with true principles of freedom, liberty and allowing all
mankind to succeed or fail using their own skills and abilities.
Isn't the real purpose of a university is to teach one how to learn. Top
companies hire and advance people because they have a degree, not what is on the
degree. I'll also surmise that by the time I am done commenting it will change
again. @Charles from somewhere outside, you shouldn't have missed the day they
talked about history. How's that for critical thinking?
@Charles | 10:07 a.m. Oct. 27, 2011 The Greater Outdoors, UT ================ I see another "A+" student from Glenn
Beck University's Revisionist School of History.I'm sorry -- but that is
so wrong, that it appears you've completely come around again on yourself and
you've got it so twisted and backwards. Those principles you cherish
now were brought to you by the "Critical Thinkers" of the late 18th
century.Those authors of Liberty [noted, the root word
"Libre" also used to denote a Liberal], with their crazy new idea of
Democarcy and forming a Representaive form of Government ALL originated from the
"Looney-Left" and even they themselves refered to it as the
"Great Experiment". These were not the Kingsmen and
"Tories" of America who wanted to "Conserve" the status quo,
the British monarcy -- who made up the political right. That would be Benedit
Arnold, who was a conservative Tory.So much for Critical Thinking!
To "LDS Liberal | 11:46 a.m." I hate to be the one to break it to you,
but Glenn Beck University is not a real school. It is the name of his outlet
for documentaries. What you call revisionist history only seems revisionist
because of the revisions that the liberals made to history over the past 100
years.You should also note that it was early 1900's when liberal
went from the meaning that you give to the modern liberal definition of
eliminating freedom via government regulation.Today, the Kingsmen
and Tories are the liberals, wanting to revisit the failed institutions of
Socialism and Communism. It is the Conservatives that are going against the
staus quo and wanting to cut regulations and help people to be responsible for
themselves rather than being dependant on the government.
Math does not teach everything you need for critical thinking. It teaches a
rigorous form of logic, but critical thinking is a far bigger issue, involving
detection of biases, rhetorical fallacies, false analogies, false dilemmas, ad
hominem, tu quoque, appeals to authority, etc., none of which are taught in
math. If anything, we should beef up education in rhetoric, which is the
foundation of the liberal arts.
Utah. We don't want anything critical. Or thinking.
You make me laugh LDS Lib. It's sad to read all your hatred for Rush, Hannity
and Beck. What I don't understand is why you would listen to these men for 9
hours a day with all the hate you have for them? Why would you subject yourself
to that torture if they are so wrong and you are so right?What's
clear is that you have no clue what they've said in the past week let alone what
was said today. And yet you post as if you listen to them all day, every day.Are your posts an example of critical thinking or just hatred for those
who don't believe like you?Again I ask you, would you post the same
hate, anger and vitriol if the Savior was standing next to you?Where
does freedom and liberty fit into your agenda? Am I free to do with my money
what I want or do I have to do what you want me to do with it?Am I
free to buy or not buy healthcare?Really, as Iceman once said to
Maverick, "Whose side are you on?"
Anything that repubs cannot drill or shout at, they don't understand. Fine arts, languages, etc they just cannot understand. Go back to your drills
and shouting at town hall meetings. Until repubs understand that
there's more to life than just gouging other Americans as fast as they can with
as much as they can, they'll be forever lost in this fine arts discussion.
Critical thinking? In Utah? Isn't that illegal?