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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 26 2011 10:30 a.m. MDT

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UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Mick - huge issue with your assumptions here. If it were true that Unions were to blame for the domestic car makers problems, how is it that European car makers, such as VW, now the number 2 or 1 car maker in the world, lives with European social progressive governments, is unionized, and build next to none of their cars in Asia. Same with BMW, Mercedes. The French were even able to buy controling interest in Nissan.

Horrible teachers are fired, check your facts. Our competitors overseas do offer full retirement benefits (Asia and EMEA) to their employees where our companies don't, and yet they compete.

The public does have a say. YOU elect the representatives of the public who negotiate with the unions. These people who sign these contract are hired by you and your neighbors. If they aren't doing their jobs to keep things in balance, hold them responsible.

It is about balance. Either side having too much power ends badly. We saw it with companies doing very bad things to save money, and we have seen it with unions too. Removing one side from the table will not fix things.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Hey Pagan and all of you other Romney-haters out there....

Romney didn't "reverse" himself. What an absolutely mis-leading title for the article. And, gee, I'm suuuuure that title was just a coincident, wasn't it?

Give me a break.

He didn't "reverse" himself because he didn't say anything. HOW can you "reverse" yourself when you don't say anything to begin with?

Honestly, do you guys even think?

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

If unions representing government employees have the ability to vote themselves raises WITHOUT any input from the very citizens who pay their salaries (through the taxation of the citizens/public) then what those unions are doing amounts to nothing less than legalized theft.

What do you liberals not understand about that?

THIS was the key issue in Wisconsin and it is the key issue all across America in various forms: people must abandon the ridiculous notion that they deserve something for doing nothing.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Obama has created more jobs in foreign countries than here, and with the use of our money.

What has this got to do with Romney, companies, millionaires, billionaires, banks, corperations, unions, flip-flopping, George Bush, or price of tea in China?

Focus on the problem and lets fix it.

ItrustNo1
La Grange, TN

As I read some of these comments I realize just how much the media controls how we think. Headline: Romney Reverses Himself, Supports Anti-Union Law. Anyone who has read the whole article would see that Romney, as far back as April, stated that he supported the anti-union law on his website. He never said he did not support the law. The article interpreted what he said to mean that. Because of this misinterpretation Romney had to come forth the next day and clarify, once again, that he supports the Anti-Union Law 110%, and then the media uses this opportunity to call Mitt a flip-flopper. We the people are being plaid like a fiddle by the media. Most media today is liberal and is scared to death that Romney will be nominated. Just imagine Romney debating Obama on the economy.he,he Don't buy into this stuff about Romney. Romney is the only candidate we have that can pull the Independent vote and beat Obama in both a debate and the election. We have to win this thing this time because our country can't stand four more years of this administration.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Guy with a brain... if what you said were true, yes that would be theft... I guess, sort of... not really. The employeer, the state, still doesn't have to employ them or have a relationship with the union. Reagon proved that with the Air Traffic Controlers. They wanted more, he said no, they went on strike, he fired them. Perhaps you forgot that little tidbit from history.

So no, it is not theft. The employer can choose to renegotiate the contract or not. Employer still has the choice.

Worf - exactly what jobs has Obama sent overseas? You got something to back that statement back. Yes, there was a new agreement with Korea, but the ink on that one has not even dried. What else can you point to that "Obama" did to send jobs overseas?... other than more radio head talking points.

Is it your claim that when "conservatives" were in office, jobs didn't go overseas? Or that conservatives don't promote businesses like Walmart which is one of the world biggest job exporters?

And by the way, Romney I think has been relatively consistent on this issue... so I don't see what the "news" really is here.

worf
Mcallen, TX

@UtahBlueDevil,

With the money sent, you've got to assume job creations. This is just two of many examples.

(1.) By MATTHEW MOSK, BRIAN ROSS (@brianross) and RONNIE GREENE
ABC NEWS and iWATCH NEWS
Oct. 20, 2011

With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

(2.) Obama administration to support offshore drilling in Brazil

Posted by Steve M on August 18, 2009 at 12:47 pm | Share via e-mail

The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazils state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazils Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazils planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials.

Christy
Beaverton, OR

DSB | 4:37 p.m. Oct. 26, 2011
Cedar Hills, UT

Just more of the media, and apparently most people on these comment boards, engaging in the type of "gotcha" journalism and dishonest characterizations that seem to dominate the dialogue today.

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"Gotcha journalism"? Is that what reporting the facts is referred to now?

How can a true, authentic person flip flop so completely on issues such as abortion, climate change, minimum wage, health care, and DADT?

This is what will prevent him from winning, not his religion.

Mick
Murray, Utah

Utahbluedevil-

I don't have a say. I don't have lobby money from unions or other organizations to persuade "my representative". UEA has powerful lobby money. Teachers don't get fired. I have several examples of the "good old boy" system in local schools. Poor teaching. Students sluffing in his room, but because they are a head hancho in the UEA association, he gets a free pass.

I also have examples of a friend who worked for the port of long beach for years. He was a member of the teamsters. Obtained his job from a lottery because that is how popular the jobs are. He works four hours a day and received a full 8 hour salary with complete benefits. He was able to retire at age 55 with a full retirement and benefits. You and I pay for that with a higher fee on everything that comes through the port of long beach, which by the way, is everything.

Elcapitan
Ivins, UT

Sergio.."Romney is clearly anti labor and anti the working man".

Anybody in the work force may be called working people. Where did you come off using the old union slogan implying that, only union workers types are working people. People work hard in offices, labrotories, and in other similar type places too. If you get up and go to work in the mornings you should be called a working person.

Sergio, this is just union rhetoric designed to divide people and get your own way.

radically_independent
Orem, Utah

Mick - Really? Your thinking is that "Good Old Boy" systems can be prevented by getting rid of unions? I am not a union supported, but your linkage is a stretch. "Poor Teaching" is an interesting term. Even if you got rid of the "Poor Teachers", you wouldn't solve the problem asn probably 90% of problems in the classroon are a result of poor parenting rather than poor teaching.

There are bad teachers, just there are bad people in every profession. I would challenge the notion that being unionized determines if someone is a hard worker or not. I can think of many example on non-union people who aren't the most motivated workers either. Is it your claim that if public servents like police and fire were not unionized, we would get better service?

Southwest Airlines is a non-union airline, the poster child for the anti union movement - and yet even they posted a loss last quarter, while highly unionized Delta posted a profit, despite charging the same for the same service.

radically_independent
Orem, Utah

I will say though that Unions may be an entities that have passed their time. Historically speaking, employers truly did get away with murder - literally. But labor laws, and silly little things like OSHA have removed a lot of the needs driving these groups to exist.

I do question the need for unions in public service jobs. But the conservative standpoint that unions are not needed in government is a bit two faced, because 5 minutes later these very same conservatives will be claiming government can't do anything right. So if government indeed needs watchdoging, to check its desire to have unbalanced power - one would think that in itself would justify unions.

I personally don't think all government is incompetent, and therefor doesn't always need to be checked. But there are instances that you do have bad school administrators where they yield way too much power to make a teacher's life miserable. In these cases unions do play a role in checking those influences. I taught here in the valley and have seen this first hand.

BTW I never was a union member - not all teachers are.

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