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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 25 2011 7:55 a.m. MDT

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Joe Moe
Logan, UT

This all makes me very sad. It is disheartening that children would be used, manipulated, and hurt....by people on either side of this issue.

I think it is true that some gay parents will provide better for a child than a straight couple. But social policy is not based on "sometimes" and in "some cases." Social policy is based on community-wide interests. Marriage and the family, while very personal and very unique, has had government protection and sanction for one reason: it is the generative core of society. It is not a business arrangement, nor even a social arrangement. Despite the exceptions and outliers (married couples who can't have children, single people having children, homosexual partners, etc.), the simple truth is this: humanity is propagated by males and females pairing off, conceiving, and providing for children.

That is the model that nature and our society has historically supported, and which we should continue supporting. People may behave how they want in their own bedrooms, but that doesn't mean as a society we should support, foster, underwrite, or encourage it.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Carrigan is among a growing multitude of American children possibly more than 1.2 million of them being raised by gay and lesbian parents, often without all the legal protections afforded to mom-and-dad households.' - Article

So, the problem lies NOT with the child's parents...

but with the stigma the family must endure!

The issue has NEVER been about the gender of the parents. Even the American Academy of Pediatrics supports that:

"In most ways, the accumulated research shows, children of same-sex parents are not markedly different from those of heterosexual parents."

'Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents' - POLICY STATEMENT - PEDIATRICS Vol. 109 No. 2 February 2002, pp. 339-340 - Pulished: 02/01/10

- AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS (AAP)

The parents are a no fault for the stigma that OTHERS force on their families.

They, instead, are the ones trying to CREATE a loving home.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

*Court affirms overturning gay adoption ban By Kelli Kennedy AP Published by DSNews 09/22/10

The appeals panel said the state's evidence did not back up those claims and that its "experts' opinions were not valid from a scientific point of view." Department of Children & Families also now agrees, according to Wednesday's ruling, "that gay people and heterosexuals make equally good parents."

From an article published in the NY Times on 05 Nov 2009 titled, "Whats Good for the Kids"

These children do just fine, says Abbie E. Goldberg, an assistant professor in the department of psychology at Clark University, who concedes there are some who will continue to believe that gay parents are a danger to their children, in spite of a growing web of psychological and sociological evidence to the contrary."

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

" The technical report recommends caution in interpreting these data, as the majority of these studies are of short duration and small numbers. But these studies dispute and disprove the commonly held prejudice that homosexual parents are poor parents. Rather, the literature suggests that children who grow up with gay or lesbian parents fare just as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as children whose parents are heterosexual. "

Joseph F. Hagan, Jr, MD, FAAP, Chair
AAP Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health

'You are normal

Homosexuality is not a mental disorder. All of the major medical organizations, including The American Psychiatric Association, The American Psychological Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics agree that homosexuality is not an illness or disorder, but a form of sexual expression.'

Published online: 11/2008
Source: Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Teens: Information for Teens and Parents

- America Acadamy of Pediactrics

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

@Joe Moe: Maybe a little off your point, but interracial couples dealt with and are still dealing with the exact same issue. And, interracial marriage was also taboo and not supported by the general public not that long ago. Maybe you are one that still does not support it. I can guarantee you that my parents would have have supported it for myself or my siblings. Interracial marriage has gone from taboo to more acceptance, just as gay marriage and same-sex couples having children will, someday, become much more widely accepted. But guess what? It starts with parents teaching their kids to be tolerant. You don't even have to be accepting, just tolerant.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'People may behave how they want in their own bedrooms, but that doesn't mean as a society we should support, foster, underwrite, or encourage it.' - Joe Moe | 8:35 a.m. Oct. 25, 2011

You have a right to your opinion.

However then, following your same logic, LGBT Americans shouldn't be required to pay taxes that married straight couples do not and...

why then should gay couples adopt the children that straight couples could not, or will not take care of themselves?

The answer is simple.

Society SHOULD support persons, gay or straight, who want to adopt children who have no parents who will support, them.

This, is also a bedrock of society:

children.

And it is NOT gay couples who are having those children by 'accident.'

No, instead this condemnation of gay parents serves no other purpose than to harm the well being of the children they chose to raise.

And, if straight couples were SO 'crucial' to a societies existance...
then they should be held ACCOUNTABLE for the children they stopped being responsible, for.

Joe Moe
Logan, UT

Re:Pagan Thanks for your thoughts!

"...following your same logic, LGBT Americans shouldn't be required to pay taxes that married straight couples do not and..." I am open to discussion on this, and see it as tangential, but my first response is: the tax breaks are rooted in helping the generative family build citizens (children), and the whole society has interest in their success, as with schools.

"why then should gay couples adopt the children that straight couples could not, or will not take care of themselves?.... And it is NOT gay couples who are having those children by 'accident.'" The failures of a given generative family is a separate issue, though I agree it is also vital and worthy of discussion.

"No, instead this condemnation of gay parents serves no other purpose than to harm the well being of the children they chose to raise." Depends on the form of the condemnation, some of which is indeed unfair and counter-productive. But society has a right, even an obligation, to address marriage.

"If straight couples were SO 'crucial' to a societies existance...
then they should be held ACCOUNTABLE for the children they stopped being responsible, for." __AMEN!!!__

Joe Moe
Logan, UT

Re:Pagan. This is 3of4 posts allowed...running out of room!

You make a good point about grandparents and childless couples and tax status. I honestly don't know the nuances of the law in this regards, but I agree, tax grandparents the same as singles; in regards to this issue, that's fine with me.

I'm not sure I understand what this means: "The unfairness of the treatment towards LGBT parents is the issue of this story ..... treatment towards LGBT persons, in, marriages." I think I'm responding when I say: my thesis is that the institution of marriage is about raising children (exceptions notwithstanding). Society's interest in families is procreation, and propagation of a healthy society. Marriage between siblings, homosexuals, etc., runs directly in contrast to that interest, so they have been disallowed.

But you are right that I have ignored the more immediate issue of allowing gays to adopt children that have already been procreated. That was accidental. I would have to add to my thesis two items, which I won't have space to defend: one, that having a mom and dad naturally tend to be more healthy, and two, the slippery-slope/endorsement issue with gay adoptions.

Ranch
HUNTSVILLE, UT

Joe Moe says:

"...the simple truth is this: humanity is propagated by males and females pairing off, conceiving, and providing for children.

That is the model that nature and our society has historically supported, and which we should continue supporting."

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We also support the family model you describe, the traditional model. We, however, expand on that and include GLBT couples/marriage and families. Inclusion of GLBT in the equation does nothing to diminish or damage the traditional model.

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