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Published: Monday, Oct. 24 2011 8:00 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

tcu 37
byu 10

I'll love every minute of it.

Sincerly, your BCS brother

Portland Trail Blazers
Sandy, UT

Last time we heard that BYU was the top choice to replace Texas A&M, then TCU got the invite.

This time we are hearing that West Virginia is the top choice to replace Missouri if they leave.

Maybe this will be BYU's time to get an invite...

American Fork, UT

Lots of interesting info Dick, good column, in that you added more factors that people don't know about. We all know the situation is fluid and no one knows what will happen, but it is interesting to see how BYU fits in with all of the teams . . . and has a good average ranking in the BCS in the last 5 years. Now it's just up to six of the BIG 12 schools to choose BYU. Go Cougs!

Salt Lake City, UT

While many in Missouri wish to hold out for the Big Ten (tried that, didn't happen), Florida president Bernie Machen (remember he used to run the University of Utah until 2003?) is determined that the SEC move to 14 will include AAU schools. Hence the enthusiasm for first Texas A&M and now Missouri since Machen wants more academic relevance in the SEC, and he's been more than willing to do it at the expense of the Big 12 and "big bad Texas."

Of the 3 top candidates for Big 12 replacements, BYU is by far and away the top academic replacement despite the lack of doctoral level programs (the biggest academic knock against the LDS Church owned & operated school). But the unique requirements (no Sunday play etc...) will likely cost the Cougars BCS league inclusion. Look for BYU to be left out of BCS league inclusion not just this time but for the long run and a possible reassessmentnt of the athletic mission and scaling athletics back to the WCC participation including dropping football.

Iowa City, IA

Bottom line, BYU brings big TV ratings with little or no advertising. That equals...cash. PAC 12 let their bigotry get in the way (I'm not throwing around fancy words, it is what it is) and convinced themselves that the u o u wold give them that market. Wrong...everyone knows BYU is king in the state.

The Big 12 should grab BYU and instantly have the entire Utah market (yes entire, because ute fans watch intently hoping the Cougs will lose), and a huge slice of the National market and I'm not even going to mention the international market for now.

Utah has to hope BYU never gets invited or else they stand to lose everything, recruits, money, advertising, the list is huge. I know ute fans make fun of BYU for being independent, that's just surface talk, deep inside they know they couldn't compete if BYU goes to a BCS conference.

Salt Lake City, UT

Television market size doesn't matter when the Big 12 is trying to survive.

Missouri has the St Louis market, but for some odd reason Kansas and Kansas State have the Kansas City market.

Kosta Fesenko
Chicken McNuggetville, UT


your comments are amusing. you say that BYU is king, and yet more than half of your post is a pre-emptive strike against utah, and utah isn't even mentioned in this article. talk about obsessed!

If the Big 12 grabs BYU, (which I think they will), it will be a good fit. I am hoping it happens.

American Fork, UT

I just don't see BYU ever getting an invite to a BCS conference. Of course, I was positive that Utah would never get an invite either...

Portland Trail Blazers
Sandy, UT

looks like the Pac 12 has more love as of late for BYU than Utah...

Mildred in Fillmore
Salt Lake City, UT

Why do we always talk about conference realignment? Independance is the best.

Lake Elsinore, CA

"Instead, the Big 12 presidents "reaffirmed" a plan to have all league schools turn over their TV rights to the league."

BYU, if this is the case, stay away from the Big 12! Us fans outside of Utah are enjoying watching you play on live TV every week. Going to the Big 12 is taking two steps back.

Salt Lake, Utah


Except that the Big 12 is forcing all schools to hand over their television rights. So the TV market size is a contributing factor in their decision.

South Jordan, UT

BYU, Louisville and West Virginia may have a bigger TV share but their teams are not going to help your BCS ranking. Oklahoma and Texas are going to have a hard time with strength of schedule with them. A better choice to help out the conference with a good football team is Boise State.

Salt Lake City, UT

Iheartblood - "Except that the Big 12 is forcing all schools to hand over their television rights. So the TV market size is a contributing factor in their decision."

The Big 12 members are being asked to hand over their tier 1 (ESPN) and tier 2 (Fox) television revenues. Those contracts are a fixed amount, and have nothing to do with local TV markets (i.e. adding SLC would not increase the contract values).

Members are not being asked to hand over tier 3 rights, so if BYU were to join and broadcast a game on BYUtv, they would get that money, not the league.

Again, since contract values aren't changing, market size is not a deciding factor.

Lindon, UT

Market size is always a factor, & you better believe it! Boise does not hold a candle to the market size of SLC, Louisville, or West Virginia. Boise State, Air Force, and Navy are reportedly (may be) on their way to receiving an invite from the Big East. Those three teams will not be enough for the Big East to retain their BCS status. But a report indicated that Notre Dame, BYU, and Boise State would. Notre Dame already has their not FB programs in the Big East. Add Air Force, and a few others, and you could have an east and west division - 12 teams total. That would be a strong conference.

Cedar City, UT

@ Chris B,

That's about on par with Vanderbilt talking smack about being in a BCS Conference.

The comic relief is great, please keep it coming.

Lindon, UT

Continued from previous post: I have a hunch that BYU will get an invite from the Big East before they are invited to join the Big 12. I think they would be a better fit in the Big East and I think they would receive better treatment than they would get in the Big 12. The only downside is the travel. But if they played the 5 other teams in say a west division, played 2 teams say in an east division, on a rotating basis, plus 4 non-conference games, that would be 11 games (12 if they went to the Big East playoff game). Then a bowl game would make 13. That seems to be the norm for many of the BCS teams in conferences that have a playoff. What do you think?

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

SLC BYU Fan er, Utah troll

"Look for BYU to be left out of BCS league inclusion not just this time but for the long run and a possible reassessmentnt of the athletic mission and scaling athletics back to the WCC participation including dropping football."

You've been spewing this same nonsense for months, but you've never been able to cite one credible source.

btw, your BYU-hating fantasies are not a credible source.

Portland Trail Blazers
Sandy, UT

Chris B,

Utah is officially on the same level, if not lower, than Vanderbilt, Colorado, Duke, Indiana for football.

BYU 6-2
Utah 3-4


Great Article!!! Only inaccuracy is that people in Pittsburgh are not exactly West Virginia fans. You've heard of Polish jokes? In Pittsburgh, the joke is always on West Virginians. BYU has a much better market value in terms of television sets.

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