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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 25 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Esquire
Springville, UT

Education should be a priority, but it won't.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Randy Shumway" have you seen the documentary "Waiting for Superman"?

The problem isn't that there are not great teachers out there. The problem is that the established teachers won't allow for a newcomer to change how things have been done for the past 20 years. The system discourages change or differences. You also lose many people who would be great teachers to the certification process. There are people who have worked in industry and have better teaching skills than many of the established teachers, but they cannot get a job teaching because the certification process requires approval from the existing group of bad teachers.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I almost always disagree with RedShirt, but on this I do agree.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RedShirt - 99.99% of the time, I disagree with you, but in this ONE case, I'll agree...but the problem is not so much with the Teachers, as it is with the Administrators.

My wife is a degreed Psycologist, working in the School District for early childhood intervention.
She has the skills and education to make a differnce, but budgets and Administrators actually call the shots.
I can't begin to tell you the number of times Teachers and Counselors make recommendations, only to be undermined, shot down, over turned, or flat out ignored by the un-skilled and un-educated Administrators.

FYI - The actual Teachers and Counselors working with the children, face-to-face, day in and day out --- make less than 1/2 to 1/10 the salaries of those Admistrators.

Start with them, then we can talk about the situations in the class rooms.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

"Wherefore is there a price in the hand of a fool to get wisdom, seeing he hath no heart to it?"

So says an old proverb, and it is true also for knowledge.
Another proverb states: ... fools hate knowledge.

There's another one, of course, about leading horses to water. Most horses will drink though. They have, at least, horse sense which "more advanced animals" may not.

Money will not, in other words, buy knowledge. There must be a desire to learn. As I recall my school days I do recall that there were those who learned with poor teachers as well as with good teachers, and as I think of post-school years I can honestly say I could continue learning without a teacher and also choose my subjects.

I also know there were scores of people who had no desire to be at school or to learn and teachers could neither coax or coerce or stimulate the desire to learn into them. A good teacher can help the willing student of course but there are those who might be excused school when they are just wasting everyone's time and causing havoc on the rest.

Sikeli
Herriman, UT

I hope this has the desired effect, but since most of the legislature think they are education experts since they once sat at a desk in a school, it won't. My pessimism runs deep after dealing with my rep.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Article with a question:

By MATTHEW MOSK, BRIAN ROSS (@brianross) and RONNIE GREENE
ABC NEWS and iWATCH NEWS
Oct. 20, 2011

With the approval of the Obama administration, an electric car company that received a $529 million federal government loan guarantee is assembling its first line of cars in Finland, saying it could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work.

Does " could not find a facility in the United States capable of doing the work", mean our people aren't educated enough?

squirt
Taylorsville, ut

RedShirt, as a veteran teacher I take exception with your over-generalization and misrepresentation of the wonderful veteran teachers I have been privileged to work with. Are you an educator? If so, I am truly frightened that you have this perception. It truly sounds like more of the anti-teacher rhetoric rather than the truth. If you are not a teacher, please visit some schools and talk to both new and veteran teachers to hear what they have to say.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "squirt | 6:38 p.m. " have you watched the documentary "Waiting for Superman"?

I am a parent. I have seen what "veteran teachers" are allowed to do, and how they don't stand up and take the initiative to make things better.

I have relatives that are teachers, and have been teachers for several years. They are quite open about how innovation is shunned.

I have pulled my kids out of public schools because of the horrible teaching practices of the "veteran teachers". I now have my kids enrolled in a school with few "veteran teachers" that actually is innovative.

MCowley
LAGUNA HILLS, CA

Seeing as Randy Shumway was a Democrat School Board member in Dublin California is it any wonder he would write a de facto supportive article for the status quo and Teachers Union? Randy, come up with some real ideas other than throw more money at the system.

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