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Published: Monday, Oct. 24 2011 10:36 a.m. MDT

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I M LDS 2
Provo, UT

There is no doubt in my mind that many people gave Obama the "novelty vote" - voting for the first black President. But I liked his ideas and experience.

I have been a Republican my entire life. Having said that, I am not ashamed to admit I voted for Obama in the last election (McCain/Palin was not a legitimate option), and I have not regretted it. I believe Obama is doing what any President would do in a similar difficult situation.

For instance, following WWI, Wilsonian progressives and anti-trust laws broke up much of the industrialist greed of the day. But then Hardings election meant big bucks for big business: a new age for fat-cat tycoons and good old boys in the Republican Party.

Ironically, many of Hardings pro-business policies hurt the American economy in the long run. The sudden free-for-all in the market led to over-speculation and corruption ("buying on margin"), just like the "casino investing" of today. This overspeculation, along with widespread corruption, faulty international finances, and tariff wars, eventually led to the stock market crash of 1929.

Current GOP candidates are all speculators with WallStreet ties.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Sorry Pagan, I will cancel out your vote.' - defibman | 11:23 a.m. Oct. 24, 2011

That may very well be true.

But since you haven't given a REASON why your not going to vote for Obama...

and I supported my stance against Romney WITHOUT resorting to race OR religion...

your 'recommends' at 5pm MST stands at 8, and mine stands at...

14.

Good day to you.

defibman
Syracuse, UT

@ Pagan.

I have put it on posts many times why I will not vote for BO.

Bush spending on a daily basis = $1.6 Billion

Obama spending on a daily basis = $3.1 Billion

And you and others still wonder why we are in the hole we are in.

P.S. I didn't know it was a contest as to how many of your friends you can get to "Recommend" your opinion. Or how many computers you can run to so you can recommend your own post.

PPS I still cancel out your vote. Na na na na na! No mater how many computers you sign on to or how many quotes from sources that don't matter.

sharrona
layton, UT

The Deuce ,First, as a non-LDS, I find those who do not take time to understand the LDS faith before making comments.

Romney vs. Obama: Who do black Mormons support? What about Herman Cain?
(P. of G.P. Moses 7:8)And there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people. And 7:22for the seed of Cain were black, and had Not a place among them.

Pragmatic
Salt Lake City, UT

Deseret News...the title of your article is very condescending to anybody with a brain. Why should a Mormon vote for someone just because they are Mormon? Why should a black vote for a black just because they are black? This is what your article implies. This is a very sad commentary regarding the Voter.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

Sorry but people shouldn't vote solely on religion, no matter what race or religion you are. I find this article silly.

freddysheddy
Bountiful, UT

Why can't the DesNews do any original reporting? The author of this article could have easily performed his own interviews and obtained his own information instead of providing a stupid hyperlink and a brief inaccurate summary. The DesNews is going downhill so fast. Horrible, horrible journalism.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

You want to see Democrats vote for a Mormon? Hey give us someone like Harry Reid, if Nevada doesn't mind.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Just more Limbaugh-ish silly based reasoning going on here. Yes, most black voted for Obama. Most blacks are also Democrats. So did they vote for him because he is black, or because he was a democrat. Ironically, most republicans voted for McCain who is also a republican.... now is anyone saying they voted for him just because most republicans are white and therefor voted for him because McCain is white?

The logic is the 'conservatives' is mind bending.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch at the DN, it is assumed most Mormons will vote for Romney.... that they would not consider another candidate simply because of their mutual faith.

Is it not time to treat votes like they had brains and that they are capable of making decisions based on policy, rather than the race, religion or party of the ideas sponsor? Sometimes the DN gets right on the verge of a propaganda rag rather than a principles based publication.

In my family, which is multi-cultural, we will vote based on many factors, but two of them will not be the candidates religion nor his\her race.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

@I M LDS 2, I notice you're a student of history and comment that we've been this way before. And in the Crash of '29, many of the wealthy, who found themselves instantly impoverished, jumped from windowsills and killed themselves. Ironically enough, the ensuing regulations following will no doubt prevent such a happening. Yet that is what is wanted by those who don't feel they have enough. And if we don't remember history, we are bound to repeat it. Obama is also a student of history, and I have noted that much of his thinking is shaped by the lessons learned in the past, which he applies as needed to the present situation. I would assume that you also find this link in his thinking. I don't find it in any candidate in the Republican party that I can point to, which is a shame, and especially since some of them should be more aware. Like Romney. If any of these gentlemen/lady would like to give our sitting President a run for his money, they would do well to be students of history.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'I have put it on posts many times why I will not vote for BO. ' - defibman | 5:46 p.m. Oct. 24, 2011

That's nice.

But I'm talking about THIS article. THIS post.

I do not know EVERY post you have EVER posted. It is arrogant to believe I just simply 'should' know this.

You need to back up your claims.

Also, where did you get your numbers?

Because if Obama added $3 billion per DAY, like your claiming, he would add $1 trillion dollars...per MONTH!

($3 billion x 33 days = $1 Trillion dollars)

In, just the three years, Obama has been president he would have added $36 trillion dollars by now.

Debt added to date? $4 trillion.

Which is AS MUCH as George W. Bush added to the national debt.

Where's your outrage?

'PPS I still cancel out your vote. Na na na na na!' - defibman | 5:46 p.m. Oct. 24, 2011

And this...is where we stop pretending this was an adult conversation.

live4uid
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

ummm, so Pagan you just admitted that Obama has added just as much debt to the country as Bush, right? You do realize Obama has been president for almost 3 years to Bush's 8 right? I respect your research techniques, but do not see your logic.

The Deuce
Livermore, CA

To: sharrona | 6:01 p.m. Oct. 24, 2011 Layton, UT - your scripture point is well made but it is old news and not that relevant since the late 1970's when all worthy males were given the Priesthood. I would think that your point now is nothing more than a historical note and does not have any relevance to 2011 issues. However, if you are trying to make the point that people pick and choose which historical points to reference when forming an opinion, then some will probably still think this is current doctrine. Not bad for a non-LDS, right!

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, Utah

"Kerry also got a huge proportion of the black vote but since you seem insistent on claiming black people voted for Obama just because he's black, I'm curious what the primary percentage of Mormons was in voting for Romney. Didn't he get something like 85-90% of this state and that includes all the non-mormon republicans."

atl134,
First of all, my claim that blacks voted for him because he was black was also supported by the fact that all the blacks who talked politics with me told me exactly that. I didn't say it; they said it!

Secondly, voting for someone because of their religion isn't the best thing, but it's better than voting for someone because of their race. Being black means your skin is black. Being a Mormon likely means you have very high standards and values, you realize the importance of families, etc. See the difference?

riddlemethis
Clearfield, UT

Pagan:
Because if Obama added $3 billion per DAY, like your claiming, he would add $1 trillion dollars...per MONTH!

($3 billion x 33 days = $1 Trillion dollars)

In case you missed it 3 billion x 33 = 100 billion. It's 100 billion x 10 that eaquals a trillion. So Obama would be adding a trillion every 10 months.

Since you love sources so much, please show us a source for 100 billion equals a trillion.

Obama's Trillion ( that's 1000 billion not 100 billion) dollar spending plan/ Washington Post 10/1/2008

Obama Quadruples deficit: Bush v Obama deficit in Pictures/ Heritage foundation March 24, 2009

Defibman's #s add up. Your #s don't.

bobosmom
small town, Nebraska

I don't think its any of my business if a African-American member of the LDS church votes Republican or Democrat. At long as they go and voted there conscience. Just like I don't think its anybody's business who I vote for. You may not like ombama or the Republican nominee. But that's one of the blessings of living in the good old USA you can voice your opinion and we should all be grateful for that blessing.

DanielWayneLewis
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

The difference between Romney's religion and Obama's religion is we KNOW that Romney is a Mormon; we know that Obama claims to be a "Christian", yet his behaviour indicates he is either a Muslim or an Atheist.... Romney goes to temple, does all the things that Mormons do, but the only time Obama talks about being Christian is when people accuse him of being Muslim...
That said, why does the DN avoid talking about John Huntsman??? If any Mormon is going to be president, it will need to be someone who actually picks a side and sticks to it, someone who garners respect from both parties, not a wishy-washy has-been....

m.g. scott
LAYTON, UT

Condsider this: All things being equal except that the first term junior senator from Illinois is a white guy named Barry O'Brien. Does anyone want to tell me that he would ever have been considered experienced enough to run for president? He would never have even tried to run, much less would he have gotten the nomination or become president. Race obviously played a huge role in Obama getting elected. Hopefully we won't make the mistake of putting image over experience again.

Ponch#
OGDEN, UT

African American LDS will favor Hermain Cain, in the primaries.

Because he is conservative and african american.

GoGetter
Sandy, UT

I for on think that religion would not even be a factor in many American's lives if this religion issue wasn't stressed so much by the media (or local papers, such as DNews). It's when the issue is constantly reinforced into average people's minds that they need to "Remember, he is the Mormon." while voting. This is bogus, why is race even spread by the media like wildfire? "Good story"? I want to vote for a good candidate, I don't want to know if the candidate is Muslim, Mormon, Black, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. It's irrelevant. So please, DNews, STOP making an issue out of this. I agree with the people who think that THIS is why Mormonism has a bad reputation of being racists or a cult.

Just let people vote for who they want!

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