I agree with the excessive articles written about how us LDS are either
liked/disliked or who said we werent Christian. I think its good to point out
our fellow Christians who support us and also to defend our faith when attacked.
However, its so excessive I find many see it as desperate to stay in the news or
to play the victim card. In excess our defending and pointing out fellow
believers can do more harm to our message then good. Finding balance is
As a pretty typical Jew (in terms of political sensibility), I can offer Romney
some insights in how to get our vote.Emphasize fiscal responsiblity,
education (it wouldn't hurt to quote the Mormon teaching, "The glory of God
is intelligence"), self-sufficiency, caring for the less fortunate (by no
fault of theirs) and the idea that we're all here to grow and learn. (Romney
might point out that that's why ideas like evolution pose absolutely no threat
to him.)In short, emphasize the values that are already foundational
Mormon ones.On the other hand, he'll need to distance himself from
the Church's censoring/expulsion of Mormons who think differently from the
official Church line. (Such an act is anathema to us Jews.)Above
all, he must never try to appeal to right-wing Christian values. Those, too,
are anathema to Jews because they're tight boxes in which no other views can
enter. If we're here to learn and grow, we simply can't live in boxes of any
kind.The bottom line is for Romeny to point out--and live--the
values which Mormons and Jews have in common, and never compromise those values.
Regarding Obama and anti-Israel, the 67 borders may be popular amoung a lot of
people, but not the Israelies themselves. Especially now that Egypt is going to
be an uncertain neighbor. The 30 plus years of stability created by the Camp
David Accords, (yes, thanks to Carter) is largely gone with the so called Arab
Spring. I don't know exactly how Obama feels about Israel, but I do know the
contemp he showed for England when he sent the bust of Winston Churchill that
was in the White House back to the Brits. A man who would do that to one of our
best allies is capable of anything.
Interesting article; nothing clever, witty or sarcastic to add beyond that!
@Filo Doughboy"Who drew first blood in this battle of who is right,
wrong, unauthorized, fully restored, counterfeit, anointed from on High, cultic,
aberrant, etc.?"Does it matter? After all..."My junior high students can figure this answer out. "...I'm pretty sure somewhere along the line they also learned lessons like
"it doesn't matter which of you two started it".
I loved the article. Great story.
Who drew first blood in this battle of who is right, wrong, unauthorized, fully
restored, counterfeit, anointed from on High, cultic, aberrant, etc.?Anybody here read their history?What a shameful bunch of whiners.
I get the two nice suits-on-a-bike at my door every few months inviting me to
the "one and only true church". They aren't as plain-spoken as the
19th century boys, but the message is there: We got the goods, you're in a
false, non-authentic church. When I push past the mushy Mitt explanation, the
truth finally surfaces. Neither my baptism, my pastor, my Bible, my sacraments
or my weak "Saved by Grace Alone" theology will get me into the real
heaven where Jesus and His Father reside.My junior high students can
figure this answer out.
Mayhem Mikey, you are incorrectly painting Pastor Jeffress (regardless of where
your cheek's tongue is), with the anti-Mormon brush. You are guilty of accusing
him of being "bigoted, hateful, prejudiced". He never said that a
Mormon cannot run for prez nor that he wouldn't vote for one. He said he would
in fact, vote for Mitt, should he get the RNC nomination. He does not feel
comfortable with Mitt's flips on certain issues, so he is not voting MR for
party choice.He opened his (big, moi opinion) mouth on his religious
views at a political venue. In his pulpit he can claim the same thing that you
do every Sunday, at every door your missionaries knock on, and what your express
website claims: You've got the only true, fully restored, authentic church and
authority. The same thing the Catholics and Protestants claim. We just try to
be civil and unified in our secular or political venues.Let's get
accurate definitions here. My Webster says bigots are "utterly intoletant
of any belief, creed or opinion". Intolerant how? That they shouldn't
exist, or that they are incorrect, abominable, counterfeit? That's exactly the
message I see in 1830.
I found an article awhile back regarding the Church's position on politics.
Basically, it suggested that we study the issues, be active according to our
desires, and vote for the person we felt, in our own minds, was best for the
job. There was also plenty of support for multiple parties and multiple choice
of candidates. This certainly did not bespeak an annointing of one party or one
candidate, no matter what the religion. It also tells us this: why Harry Reid
and other Democrats, and Mitt Romney and other Republicans can sit on opposite
sides of the isle in the political world, but next to one another everywhere
else. At one time this kind of behavior was common in political circles, and
needs to be again. Meanwhile, perhaps our LDS politicians might lead the way in
showing how it's done. If that is the only reason for all the Mormon
politicians, Mitt included, then bring it on, folks, but let's not squabble
amongst ourselves--let's be adult enough to take our differences to higher
atl134That is what is great about America. We aren't forced to read
things that do not interest us. There is a huge interest here so those of us
with that interest can read, and others can skip it. Works well.
@Sammy B"I am so sick of reading comments about how we shouldn't be
discussing the anti-Mormon flap over Romney's candidacy"I don't
think peole have a problem with it being covered... just that 20-30 articles on
it in ~2 weeks seems excessive."The whole country is talking
about it, there are articles and TV commentaries about it."Yes
but the vast majority of newspapers, news sites, and TV commentaries mention it
1-4 times and that's it. I understand that this is a local newspaper for a
heavily mormon area but averaging 1-2 articles a day on it every day since
whenever Jeffress' comment was made... that's a lot.
@coleman51"It will be interesting if the Jews would rather vote
for a pro-Israel Romney over an anti-semitic Obama."And how
exactly is Obama anti-semitic? Because he wanted a return to 1967 borders with
mutually agreed to land swaps? That's the same position as most recent
presidents of the U.S. and the same position as most recent prime ministers of
Israel. New York's 9th is not necessarily a good example of the
nations' Jewish vote becasue NY-9 has a high percentage of orthodox jews.
They're social conservatives. Reformed Jews are the ones that are much more
likely to vote Democratic and are the majority of the US Jewish population.
I am so sick of reading comments about how we shouldn't be discussing the
anti-Mormon flap over Romney's candidacy. The whole country is talking about it,
there are articles and TV commentaries about it. But for some reason, although
it is fine for others to have our religion as a hot topic...we somehow are
supposed to be disinterested? I am interested in things that involve
me. The national view of the LDS religion involves me. The Deseret News is in
Utah folks, so why not write about this? In my opinion, it is the anti-Mormons
that come on here and rag on people for being self-absorbed that makes some LDS
members apologize and take the stance that we shouldn't talk about this. Not
realistic folks. I want to be a part of the national forum of discussion and not
Only people [or newspapers] who suffer from severe self-consciousness and poor
self-esteem look for studies, articles, or words of affirmation.Could explain why Utah also has the highest rate for suicidal thoughts in
America as well.
Republicans need to get rid of the evangelical hold that's on the party. Not
good. Similar to the extremist libs that control the Democratic party.But then, has either party ever been controlled by moderates?
Animals view Mitt Romney favorably.Is that on tap for the next edition of
As a member of the church, can I just ask why there is ANOTHER story in this
newspaper about who likes us and who doesn't? I like the D-News, but for
crying out loud, it is less a newspaper and more of a gossip rag! "Did you HEAR what that pastor in Texas said about us? Can you believe
that? Well, at least the Jews and some Catholics like us. People like us,
right??"A story like this is nice...once in awhile! But for
crying out loud, not one or two a week! I don't need that much daily
Can anyone argue against the principle that it is better to teach someone how to
fish than to give them a fish? But how does this principle relate to the
foreclosure problems we are now experiencing? There are those who, because of
greed, pride and/or foolishness, overstated their ability to repay their
mortgage obligations, especially after the teaser rates expired, and bought a
house way beyond their effective price range and now must default. There are
others who acted prudently but who lost their jobs and cannot sell their house
because it has depreciated well below the mortgage amount. Should the government
intervene? If so, how? And will it help or only make matters worse? Harry Reid
and Mitt Romney seem to have opposite views. I hope they will articulate their
reasons and educate us. And then GM and financial bailouts.
It will be interesting if the Jews would rather vote for a pro-Israel Romney
over an anti-semitic Obama. New York 9th may be our clue.
I'd LOVE it if 10 million more people joined the church. The question is, would
we be ready and able to accept them all in and look after them - especially if
they were drastically different from the rest of us - in appearance or
thinking?Isn't that what the LDS leaders from Pres. Hinckley to
Pres. Monson have been trying to get us to do all these years??
Mormonism will be front and center if Mitt Romney gets nominated. And it will be
great. It will be Harry Reid and his I am a Democrat because I am a Mormon
versus the Republican version of Mormonism. Teachings of the Book of Mormon and
Joseph Smith will fill the campaign rhetoric. How can the Democrats attack
Mormonism with Harry Reid as Senate majority leader? How can Republicans if Mitt
Romney is their candidate? Which political version of Mormonism will the Jews
find more compatible with their own concerns?
Who knows if Romney will become president, but I find it interesting that he is
the center of two events that really opened the eyes and understanding of the
Mormon church more. He of course turned around the 2002 Olympics and even
though he wasn't the main focus, that event really created more dialog about the
LDS church. But his 2nd time for running for President really has created
dialog. The thing I see is that more and more people are being more open and
accepting of the LDS people and their religion. I don't want ten million people
to join the LDS church, but I sure would be happy if ten million people hated
the church less or didn't understand our beliefs, mainly thinking we are not
Christians. Mitt Romney is a winner just for what he has done to open the doors
of understanding and such.
Delighted to see good-hearted men and women rise to the defense of the church
against all the vitriol tossed about so casually by Pastor Jeffress and others
of his ilk against Mitt Romney and his faith.Amazing as well to find
that it seems to be politically correct to say anything you want to about the
Mormons. If some of these things were said about a Jewish or Baptist or
Catholic or even a Muslim candidate, there would be outrage and the ACLU would
come out in force to castigate the perpetuators of such non-PC statements. On
the other hand, it is perfectly correct to slander or express bigoted comments
about Latter-day Saints. The double standard of men such as Jeffress boggles
my mind. To even insinuate that Mormons do not deserve the same protections of
the constitution because our beliefs differ from his. Basically, Jeffress is
telling us that "my Jesus is better than your Jesus."A sad
commentary on our society. Nevertheless, I have no doubt that "no
unhallowed hand shall stop the work."
%at134: you may be right, it is more like having a talent for business success.
Some cultures seem to have a better orientation for managing money than others.
It is not a big secret as to who those are who do it best, and there is no
disrespect in being a champion.
Skeptic:If you were to read portions of the "Deutscher
National-Katechismus" written in 1934 for German school children, you might
understand just how others might regard your comment regarding Jews as hateful
and inappropriate. Please be careful with the words you use. Fame is fleeting,
but the internet is forever.
I highly recommend the article by Professor Peter Morici cited in this story. I
consider it a fair, accurate portrayal of Mitt Romney and his service and
beliefs. The author is not a convert to Mormonism, and, according to him, will
never be, but he credits the LDS Church and Romney for their teachings of the
worth of men and women, their potential to live good lives here and in the
hereafter, and the service they provide and have provided. It is
beyond me how any fair-minded person, not filled with bigotry, hate and lodged
on the lowest rungs of the intellectual ladder, could disparage Romney's life of
service or the good the LDS Church does. One can justifiably disagree with
Romney's political views, but mean-spirited attempts by anti-Mormons, like
Pastor (and I use that word with tongue in cheek) Jeffress, to attack the
Church, or its members who selflessly render service or who are willing to serve
in public office, demean only those who fling such drivel at the rest of us.
@skeptic"Jews view all favorably who cater to them and make them
money"Gee, that isn't anti-semitic at all...
Jews view all favorably who cater to them and make them money; and the Mormons
lean over back wards to favor the Jews, although to Mormons Jews are gentiles.
It is a strange world of religion. But, no matter, most Jews are not going to
vote for a Mormon if they have a reasonable alternative.
Good! As a Mormon I have to say that I view Jews and Catholics favorably too. In
fact, I have more often spoken up against Anti-Catholic comments than against
Anti-Mormon ones, since I feel more at liberty to do so as an outsider.
Not very much.Jews may view Mormons favorably, but they tend
to be Liberal - therefor they vote for Democrats.