KM, Cloward, and Pivens plan was to overwhelm the social saftey net not the
entire nation. You can keep saying it but it isn't true.
The inexperienced guy got Bin Laden and Gadafi. Cheney got a large contract for
Hellooo says:"Thank you for neither mentioning a party or a
particular politician, even if some commenters have inferred you were directing
your comments towards the current President. "---From the Letter:"This is what has happened in the American
political system with PRESIDENT OBAMA and other lifetime politicians."---Did you even read the letter?BOTH parties are
guilty and they're all nekkid.
Unfortunately, Karen nobody is hearing the child. Too many partisans standing
up to protect "their" partisan politician to hear the general truth of
your article. Thank you for neither mentioning a party or a particular
politician, even if some commenters have inferred you were directing your
comments towards the current President. Guess if a general statement fits, then
the mere fact partisans stand up to protect their politician indicates something
in the comment applied to that favorite partisan politician.
Karen, this started looooonnnnnnggg before the current administration took
pragmatistforlife 7:58We will have to agree to disagree. I firmly
believe that the statements made by this administration and its allies about
destroying the dollar (georgie soros) is serious. If and when they accomplish
this goal, will our nation be crushed by debt? We borrow .40 of every
dollar...doesn't that call for concern?Also, Cloward and Piven had a plan,
a marvelous plan, to destroy our current system and replace it with a marxist
utopia. They planned on doing this by overwhelming the system by putting so
many on welfare that it would colapse. I thin that this plan is in effect at
the moment. I think they are getting close to the dream they invisioned.
Praise Barry and the rest...
Let's vote for romney! That'll show those career politicians!!
Redshirt,Maybe we are finally getting closer to agreement. You
write"Ok liberals who automatically blame everything on
Bush.Answer this simpe question. Other than the magnitude of
spending, what has Obama done differently than Bush?"This is
the point I have been trying to make since I first posted.There is
NOT a huge difference between R and D control. Yes, some differences, but not
huge.I sound "liberal" because most of my points (many to
you) only point out that the R's do very similar things as the D's.Yes, there are "liberals who automatically blame everything on
Bush"If you look back, you will find that I am not one of
them.And there are certainly a slew of conservatives who believe
that Obama caused everything wrong with this country, including bad breath.I don't tout the greatness of the dems. They have countless failings.
But, I will point out the failings of the GOP when people unfairly blame them
for all the countries problems.Time and time again, I have said that
both parties got us in this mess.Give me Clinton and a GOP congress.
What above do you disagree with.
Karen:If you don't wish to see politicians in the buff, I would
suggest you avoid the nudist colony known as the Utah State Legislature.
Why are the democrats trying to divert attention away from Mr. Obama? When Mr.
Obama has signed into law legislation that increases the DEFICIT more than
$4,100,000,000 per DAY, and when Mr. Obama wants to add another $500,000,000,000
to the deficit NOW and pay it off "someday", long after he's out of
Washington, can any thinking adult really claim that he has a clue about running
a Country?He is not only walking around without any clothes but
those who advise him are just as naked as he is.
@RedShirt"Again, can a liberal actually show me where Bush and
Obama are are really that different?"Yeah - you voted for Bush
- twice. Am I right? He was YOUR party's choice for President. You seem to
duck and ignore that very fact.The biggest difference is that I've
never heard President Obama use the oxymoron "compassionate
To "LDS Liberal | 2:54 p.m." let me say it again, maybe all caps will
help.WHAT POLICY DIFFERENCE IS THERE BETWEEN OBAMA AND BUSH?Bush wanted to kill Osama.Bush deported illegal immigrants.
Plus, Obama has admitted that his "increased" numbers is a fallacy
because it counts catch-and-turn-back at the border as a deportation.Bush signed a deal with Iraq for exiting there before Obama took office.So you are saying that Obama also believe in "Drill, Baby
Drill", just like Bush.BP happened under Obama, so that point
is moot.Bush cancelled the Shuttle program. So, both have cancelled
NASA heavy lift vehicles.Bush also provided increased healthcare to
millions of underinsured individuals.Again, tell me where they are
different, outside of the magnitude of their spending.To "Mark
B | 3:17 p.m." don't feel bad I didn't address your list too, but your list
is essentially the same, with a few added policies that are the same as what
Bush did.Again, can a liberal actually show me where Bush and Obama
are are really that different?
RedShirt would just bicker with the following, but here's a list of what he
demanded:No more prisoner torture, including water-boarding.An end
to the combat role in Iraq.bin Laden now only a threat in dreams.Change from massive layoffs at end of GWB administration to adding jobs month
to month.Appointment to SCOTUS of justices who MIGHT know a poor
person.Military interventions quick - and POSITIVE.Attention to
health care needs OTHER than "I got mine, Jack."Relationships
with allies overall improved. Israel not allowed to dictate future decisions.
Cheney now safely out of office. FEMA doing its job
successfully.DADT removed from the military.A footnote:
Wouldn't you have to know someone personally to know if they are
"egocentric" or "narcissistic"? As for "blunders",
I cannot think of one greater than invading a country by mistake, unless it's
invading the wrong country ON PURPOSE.
RedShirt | 2:39 p.m. Oct. 19, 2011 USS Enterprise, UT Ok liberals
who automatically blame everything on Bush.Answer this simpe
question. Other than the magnitude of spending, what has Obama done differently
than Bush? ================== Killed Osama Bin Laden.Deported more Illegal Aliens.Pulling us OUT of the middle East.Increase Domestic drilling of oil.Did NOT apologize to BP for the mess
they made in the Gulf of Mexico.Cancelled the Aries Program that NASA
didn't even want.Provided access to Healthcare to those who have been
denied coverage.Shall I go on? [I'm limited to 200 words.]
Ok liberals who automatically blame everything on Bush.Answer this
simpe question. Other than the magnitude of spending, what has Obama done
differently than Bush?
Washington is corrupt, The new emperor is like the old emperor. Partisians claim
it's about the other party not their's. No the truth is both. Obama is just
the current egocentric, narsistic, blunderer. We hoped for change from the last
egocentric, narsistic, blunderer, and we got nothing better. Champion which
ever emperor you want, but they are naked and, I am doubtful we will get
anything new in the next round.
"President Obama and other lifetime politicians"Wow,
really? How about Orrin Hatch who has been in the Senate since Obama was in HIGH
SCHOOL? Obama has only been a national politician for 6 years!
That's the equivalent of one senate term! That's hardly "life long".
Oh, but you were probably also of the crowd that said he didn't have enough
Karen, Lifetime politicians? As others have stated, there are so many more of
these than Obama. And I too thought this was a very apt description of Dubba.
"When Obama spends money we don't have the taxpayers have to pay the
interest on it."Yes, debt requires interest payments. This is
news to you?Who decided it was a good idea to start two wars _and_
cut taxes? In what universe is that an exercise in fiscal responsibility?More to the point, you at least make a specific point about the deficit.
The original letter is totally devoid of a specific complaint. Sure, I disagree with you on the cause, significance, and possible solutions
to the size of our national debt, but at least you bothered to list a topic to
complain about.The letter is a complete waste of space - it offers
nothing of value.Is merely saying "I don't like
so-and-so!" really all it takes to get a letter published in this paper?What is asserted without evidence can and should be dismissed without
Re: Blue | 12:17 a.m. Oct. 19, 2011 "Any specific examples?"People who depend on payday loan stores to get them through the week
must pay the money back at high rates of interest. The money these people throw
away in interest could be put to better use buying food for their children.When Obama spends money we don't have the taxpayers have to pay the
interest on it. That money could be better spent developing energy.Of course Obama comes from Illinois where they are drowning in red ink and
can't pay their bills.
I thought this was the made up story about King George and his "Weapons of
Mass Destruction" and all his kingdom's rubes going along him and his
war....and the little known Senator from Illinois who stood up
called his bluff, and later took his place as President.
"Remember the story of the emperor's new clothes? The emperor was so busy
(playing golf, vacationing, etc.), and he was so inexperienced that he totally
believed his tailors' lying rhetoric about the golden clothes being sewn for
him."No Karen, Bush isn't President anymore. Come
on, get with the times!
The author is right! The politicians are parading around the country. We see
them gathered together about every two weeks jockying for our attention and
showing off their attire and manicured nails. And like the author describes,
we the silent majority look on with horror as they babble the same rhetoric with
"no answers or substance". And yes at the end of each mind numbing
Republican debate we "yell loudly" Look "the wanna be emperors
are naked". What a great analogy! Thanks for bringing it to our attention
KM, once again let me point out the non-sequetor nature of your premise, that
the national deficit is the root of all our troubles. A process, or activity
can be non-sustaiable without crushing the system it operates in. Your car
cannot run for ever on a single tank of gas, yet it's not crushing your car,
it's simply non-sustainable. Liberals, agree the deficit is not
sustainable, but at present it is not crushing the nation..it cost very little
for America to borrow, and Americas debt is still swooped up by investors, so
we're hardly being crushed. The nation was nearly crushed but it
wasn't from the federal deficit, and thus my concern about your comments. You
divert the conversation from the real issues by simplyfying the situation to a
single issue.PS, Piven didn't ever propose we bury the nation in
debt to bring America to it's knees. Piven and Cloward were only concerned about
the welfare system, and their desire for a national minimum income.
It wasn't until the third paragraph that I saw this writer was talking about
Obama -- I thought it was about Bush or the GOP in Congress. How they cut
taxes, sent our troops to Iraq, de-regulated Wall Street, and spent like drunken
sailors, sending our economy into a tailspin. Today's GOP congress
and presidental candidates all appear to be "naked." They deny
climate change (thus, they're anti-science). They claim to want to balance the
budget, but refuse to eliminate subsidies for oil and fossil fuels (thus,
they're for the status quo of energy that hurts the vast lower and middle
classes). They've voted against a jobs bill full of GOP proposals (thus, their
willing to continue America's high unemployment to try to hurt Obama
politically). These emperors have no clothes.
BlueThe evidence is that we are being crushed by unsustainable debt.
The plan has almost been realized. Just stick around a little longer and you
won't be asking foolish questions like are there any "specific
examples?"randKaren may have voted for that certain other
president, but tell me...what other choice did she have? Yes the fix is in, we
have a one party system pretending to be a two party system.
Gosh, Karen, I don't remember the story as you told it. Yes, it's just a story.
Fiction, made up, not really true.I wonder if your fiction applies
to Orrin Hatch, who has been around for decades. Or how about Mitt Romney, who
according to another Republican, was liberal in his Senate race, moderate in his
gubernatorial race and wants us to think he is a conservative now. What are his
ideas? And how about the people, perhaps like you, who say they want change but
won't allow it. They oppose campaign finance, Wall Street and other reforms
because the rich tell them it is bad. So we get the same in Washington (and in
Utah's capitol) where the privileged few control things and the rest of us get
to pay for it. Then when someone comes along who wants to change things, he is
demonized and fought every step of the way, by you, too.Yours is
nothing but a partisan rant. I would bet the house you were perfectly satisfied
during the last Administration which nearly destroyed this nation in several
Well Karen, maybe your implication is true, but the clothes didn't just recently
come off.The problem is that partisan people only notice the
problems of the "other" party.What is happening now that
wasn't happening before?
Karen,I remember reading a whole lot of letters like this about a certain
two-term president that started two ridiculous wars, began the federal unfunded
spending spree, and was in power for the 7 years prior to the economic collapse.
From the tenor of your letter, I am guessing that you voted for him. So, whose
use of this stereotypical Emperor has no Clothes analogy is correct?
Please.Is there any substance to this letter's complaint? Any
specific examples? Any objective data?Anything?