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  • Reasonable Person Layton, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    "My religion is better than your religion."
    "No, my religion is better than yours!"

    We need to take religion out of politics and government.
    The First Amendment's clauses were deemed most important and placed first, for a reason.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    As much as I disagree with what the naysayers are saying about a church and faith I deeply love and am committed to, this is a non-story. Of course Perry's backers as well as backers of likely any other contender (except perhaps Huntsman) is going to do this. Unfortunately, that's what politics & campaigning these days are all about. Again, a non-story here.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    The stop Romney forces, be they Republican or Democrat, will try to take him out with the religion issue in the primaries. Obama certainly does not want the whole Reverend Wright thing to come up again, which is exactly what would happen if the Obama supporters tried to tar Romneys faith.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    @ Reasonable Person

    The first amendment states; "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

    This is a restriction on government, not religion, churches or the people. It says "Congress shall not..."

    John Adams said that the constitution was completely capable of governing a good and righteous people but incapable of governing any other kind. This is because you can't trust people with self government unless they are willing to govern themselves.

    Let the detractors ramble on. They will only marginalize themselves and the truth will prevail. People are beginning to figure out that Mormons are good people and the nay-sayers are fanatics.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Reasonable Person, read the first amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the FREE exercise thereof." It does not say anything about taking religion out of politics anymore than it says religion should be in politics. Congress is supposed to be neutral on the issue. The religion part is either added or not added by the individule politician using the other part of the first amendment giving freedom of speech. If that politician is too religious for you, don't elect him. If he is religious and you like it, vote for him. That's our system, simple as that.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:18 p.m.

    Oh how interesting a story about a politician using whatever tactic needed to win- long ago I was taught that you throw everything you can at the wall and whatever sticks you go with it- nothing new here and religion in politics is an issue that will never go away- this round it is Mormons- nothing new here

  • ute alumni Tengoku, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    perry is desparate as he continues to slide in the polls. he'll try anything as well as will omama if Romney is the nominee. teddy did it years ago when running against Romney for the senate seat years ago.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    First off Gov. Perry has not come out against any type of bigotry. Especially the new appealing Bigotry of attacking Mormons! How simple and easy Gov. Perry to grow your support in the most vile weak minded way with no regard for the hatred this leads to! Do you want to lead the new bigotry in America all for the sake of power? Do you even know what it is like to be a Mormon in America(not from a predominently Mormon area? Not even most Mormons do. This is what it is like.

    You grow up being the only LDS kid in your schools then you go to HighSchool where you are tormented, ridiculed by students and teachers and you have your life tossed around. Gov Perry have you ever been beaten by highschool kids because of your religion? No? Because you lead the majority to attack a minority? Try like some of us have. You think the 1960's and prior were bad for African-Americans? You have no idea what some of us lived through! I love America, but hate what it was while growing up Mormon. And to know Murdering Mormons was once legal! There's more...

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Dirty tricks by (fellow) Republicans? NO, I refuse to believe it!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    @The Rock;

    Mormons are every bit as fanatical as the "nay-sayers". Trufac.

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that Perry's camp is behind some of the anti-mormon rhetoric. If the situation were reversed and the Mittster were the Evangelican and Perry were the Mormon, I have absolutely NO DOUBT that Mitt's camp would do the same thing.

    Politicians are a disgusting bunch so why should any of this surprise anyone?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    To all of you saying that it is Okay for religion to be involved in politics, the founders felt that the two would corrupt one another if merged.

    I see the wisdom of their thoughts as you can see the corruption occurring in religion more and more all the time.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    don17 -

    Been there, done that. I'm a 'transplant' to Utah from Washington. No, Gov. Perry has no idea. Neither did my 3rd grade teacher:

    'That's right, kids. ANYONE can be President of the United States. Well, except for you, Jimmy. You and your family are Mormon, so you'll NEVER be President.'

    You think I'm joking? I'm not. Neither is Perry.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    The Rock | 2:12 p.m. Oct. 18, 2011
    Federal Way, WA
    @ Reasonable Person

    The first amendment states; "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

    ============

    Read the rest of the Constitution please Mr. Rock - specifically Article VI --
    "...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

    This is a clear attack on the Constitution of the USA. Which I have sworn to protect.

    Keep the Religion test OUT of the debate.

    You will either defend the Constitution or Trample it, you decide.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Many LDS people were offended by the remarks of Gov. Perry's minister. Yet these same LDS faithful have no problem accepting Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman who share the same views of Mormonism as Perry's minister does.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    Perry is done and done. Over and out. He came in with a big splash but was found to be a back stabber and upside down on his immigration thinking. We need leaders and not politicians. We already have the worst of the worst in the White House now.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    We are called Mormons. Many people look upon us as a singular sect as they cry: Delusion, false prophets, polygamy, as once was so common; or Racists, antiwomen, patriarchal dictators, as some now say; or Worshippers of Adam and deniers of Christ and his grace, as others falsely acclaim; or whatever sophistry of the moment will sow the seeds of prejudice among those who otherwise might learn who we are and what we believe.

    Oftentimes it seems to us that these cries from shallow minds and these self-serving statements of those who resent our rapid growth and increasing influence in the world and these voices whose social and political views we do not espouse are but another evidence of the truth and divinity of the work itself. The devil is not dead, and as his voice was once raised in cries of Crucify him, crucify him, so it now shrieks in shrilling hysteria against Christs people in this day.

    Just thought I would see what Bruce R. had to say on this- conference October 1979 for those interested

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    To RanchHand 2:23 - but, there is not a single incident of Romney disparaging anyone because of religion, so your little claim that he would "NO DOUBT" engage in that kind of dirty trick is really more a reflection of your own rabid hatred of Republican politicians (and probably Mormons, based on your other biased comments), than a credible prediction of Romney's inclinations.

    And, who said that religion should be involved in politics? Are you saying nobody has a constitutional right to use religion as one of a million personal motivations for a vote? Of all the leading candidates, it seems to me that Romney and Ron Paul are the least inclined to merge government and religion.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    You know, there is much more to this than Perry not liking Romney or Religion in Politics. The core of this is that throughout the world and even here in a blessed country that promotes freedom, liberty and justice for all that when bigorty is in front of us we fail to see it unless it's past bigotry. The other canidates running, including our sitting President don't come out to oppose any hint of hatred or discrimination running about. They will only openly oppose what they have become accustomed to opposing though new hatreds or discrimination may be staring them in the face. Mr. Cain didn't want to interject in defending Romney when attacked by Perry. His answer was to not get involved? Hmm sounds like a strong leader? Not! Just like Mrs. Bachmann walked away from defending Romney. Where is the strength in that? Even right in front of them, and others on the campaign trail, discrimination and hatred was able to rise up and through complaceny they have condoned the continued attacks on Romney. By doing so they set the example and now the media continues to attack as do others in vailed ways!

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    Abeille: Thank You!

    Dixie Dan: Please, some of us know it. Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Rick Perry and others don't want to represent America they want to represent ONLY their view.

    Canidates change positions on issues as they mature just like we all do as life gives us opportunities to see that change is needed. Gov. Perry doesn't bend on positions:neither does President Obama or Harry Reid for that matter. I would rather support a Mitt Romney who's willing to evaluate and adjust rather than stand hard and fast to a position while the ship sinks.

    His ability to evaluate the United States economy from his vast basis of experience and work with all groups to get the best people solving the issue means more to me than an ideolog like Limbaugh or Maddow clone. I'd rather give my vote to a person who changed his position based on experience and expanded judgement that one who stands so fast and firm that lets the house burn down around him or her! But they were a good Christian! My views may not agree with many but a Romney or Liebermann(I-Ct)is preferrable.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 18, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Well at least the writer of this article was honest, although it doesn't appear that many readers paid much attention to the words I put in all caps below:

    "Two new stories SUGGEST that while Rick Perry has said he doesn't believe Mormonism is a cult, as one of his backers characterized the LDS Church, Perry's campaign team MIGHT be cheerleading negative messages about the Mormon faith, and his backers might be behind them."

    What a clever way to defame Perry when you apparently have no real facts to support this .... cause you likiely knew your readers would ignore this first paragraph and rush to judgment.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    To LDS Lib - just curious, but how is it possible for The Rock to violate the constitution or trample on it? Is he somehow able to prevent a candidate from legally running for President? Can he wipe someone off the ballot?

    Are you saying that citizens don't have a constitutional right to apply any motivation to their voting decisions? Are you saying we can't consider religion as a factor when we cast a vote? How about hair color, weight, good looks, or favorite sitcom? Or, are those OK to consider, but just not religion?

    And, since you've sworn to uphold the Constitution, are you going to set up shop at voting locations and make sure no one votes based on a religious preference? Are you suggesting there should be some kind of police for eliminating a personal decision to vote based on religion?

    Although the Constitution allows for Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, dog-worshipers to legally run for President, there is no provision that prohibits anyone from using religion as a personal motivation for their votes.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    re:Dixie Dan

    all evangelicals think the same about Mormons (they are programmed by their ministers). The difference with Palin and Backman is the respect factor. They are much more careful and respectful than Perry's guy.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Oct. 18, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    @XelaDave

    "or Racists, antiwomen, patriarchal dictators, as some now say ...

    Just thought I would see what Bruce R. had to say on this- conference October 1979 for those interested "

    Well considering it was 1979, and just a year prior they finally gave blacks equality in their church (or should I say God gave them equality in the Mormon church), I would say at that time considering them Racists was HIGHLY VALID. To say they weren't is a falsity. Have you seen the things the prophets of those times said about blacks?

    @ClarkKent,

    "What a clever way to defame Perry when you apparently have no real facts to support this .... cause you likiely knew your readers would ignore this first paragraph and rush to judgment. "

    Wow good call. I didn't notice that either. Just the usual Dnews/LDS bias and fact-spinning you would expect.

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Oct. 18, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    @patriot

    "all evangelicals think the same about Mormons (they are programmed by their ministers). The difference with Palin and Backman is the respect factor. They are much more careful and respectful than Perry's guy. "

    Hahahahahaa. You're going to say that one religion is programmed against Mormons, but Mormon's aren't programmed against any?

    I thought Joseph Smith was told that "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt" and that only the Mormon church was true? Isn't this what is taught to EVERY Mormon and in the scriptures?

    I agree, they're more respectful and so are the Mormon candidates. But you, sir, are not respectful and are highly ignorant.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    This is a measure of Perry's character and it is wanting.

  • Friend West Valley City, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    The same Perry campaign spokesman told the Huffington Post that the Perry campaign has not encouraged what HuffPo described as "anti-Mormon sentiment."

    Has Perry's campaign DIScouraged the "anti-Mormon sentiment"? Now that is very telling!

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Oct. 18, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    People who bring religion - whether its Obama's or Romney's religion - into the course of discussion are those that are actually more fearful of the correct thing to do. So, they try and push aside what their fears are and note the thing that would make a splash in the news.

    I want to know where the candidates stand on political views, not religious views.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    So i confused is romney mormon or lutheran?

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    These surrogates for Perry's campaign are playing by the same game plan that the Huckabee backers were using.
    Many of them are, most likely, the same people. Nothing's changed.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    Rick Perry should have made his point of view clear BEFORE the chose to have the pastor back him publicly and speak for him.

    Now, with the backlash to the pastor, Perry says he doesn't believe that Mormons are not Christian.

    It's politics and politics only. What's going to make the biggest difference in votes.

    Who knows what Perry really believes? For that matter, who knows what any politician really believes?

    The believe in votes, that's what they believe in.

    That's what they worship, too.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    For those of the LDS faith who have had to defend this faith against the odds, I support your efforts. I had a couple of occassions in high school where an LDS member faced a couple of individuals who were giving him a bad time over religion. I had friends who were members at this time and decided to step in. Bottom line was that this never happened again. I have also enjoyed finding out just how much some of these people know about the LDS faith by engaging in discussion with them. I do not profess to be an expert but know enough about the LDS religion to hold my own against most. You can tell quite easily that many of these people simply are repeating stories told to them and when challenged they don't have any facts. But again, it is all perception. You tell enough incorrect stories and all of a sudden it is history.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    First, the word 'might' appears twice in the first sentence, framing this article as little more than speculation. Second, I among others have said it; religion has no place in politics. Let every candidate tell us it's none of our business and this nonsense will stop. I'm not voting for preacher in chief; if this were the case I'm not voting for perry or romney or any of the rest of 'em.

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Sure, Perry's backers are behind it... just as the LDS Church was behind lobbying, political office "cultivating", and financing the establishment of "not-for-profit" PACS and "coalition" committees for the purpose of undermining same-sex marriage legislation in Hawaii and California.

    It is bad when Perry's backers do it, but good when the LDS Church does it?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    ---Counter Intelligence | 1:31 p.m. Oct. 18, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    That is Obama's playbook; labeling Romney "weird" as a shill for Mormon----

    Nice try but this is what the Republican party has become and one reason I am an independent. This won't be the last of it, just wait for those robocalls when the primaries start to scare and intimidate people into voting for "Real Christians". This is the kind of hatred and bigotry you support when you give money to a party taken over by Southern religious extremists.

    This is the kind of politics that sunk McCain in 2000 vs. Bush with the robocalls saying McCain had an illegitimate black daughter. The Republican Party has become the party of fear and intimidation.

    Perry is W Bush 2, he says small government but has increased taxes and has no problem spending 17 billion, criticizing the source of it and then taking credit for it.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    We're so persecuted. We're so persecuted. We've always been persecuted. We're so persecuted.

    Does that sum it up pretty well?

  • LValfre CHICAGO, IL
    Oct. 18, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    @CHS 85,

    "We're so persecuted. We're so persecuted. We've always been persecuted. We're so persecuted.

    Does that sum it up pretty well?"

    We're so faithful. We're so exhorted. We've always been followers. We're so indoctrinated.

    Does that sum it up pretty well?

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    I would encourage anyone that is LDS like myself to take inventory and make sure you are not inflicting this type of bigotry, hatred and pain on people of other faiths. This is the face of the politics of fear that looks to divide people. Don't be a part of spreading it, don't be like some people I hear say ugly things about other religions.

    I knew from the beginning this was not "just one guy" spouting off. I knew it was part of a larger plan. I predicted this months ago and I expect it to continue. There is enough lack of knowledge about the LDS Church for these kind of fear mongering tactics to work.

    Fellow LDS, know your LDS Church history and know history of the world and see the face of bigotry and hatred and do not be a part of it, do not support those who would be in positions of power to propagate it. Once they come for the groups you misunderstand and hate, they will come for you too.

  • OneAmerican Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 18, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    I liked Perry at first, and I am generally not a one-issue guy, but this becomes a character issue, not a policy issue. Since Perry was unwilling to denounce this, he is no better than Van Buren was and doesn't deserve to sit in the White House. I am beginning to fear we are headed toward re-electing Obama, much as we did Clinton...Except the economy and no third-party candidate may be Obama's undoing. (Clinton reaped the rewards of Reaganomics and Perot being on the ballot).

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    Oct. 18, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    Which 6 people recommended the comment that Obama labeled Romney as 'weird', when there is zero proof of that, and just ignore the subject of the article that Rick Perry's backers are ON RECORD as saying that Romney's part of a cult?

    Take your fingers out of your ears. Open your eyes.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    You don't have to be particularly astute to figure out that the LDS faith is solidly Christian. Also, you don't have to be real informed to figure out that Rick Perry isn't a real Christian, a real conservative, or a real cowboy. But he's a real politician, and has the ability to draw in those who don't have a clue and don't read between the lines.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    Interesting how instead of calling put Perry and his band of bigots some have tried to make this about President Obama. President Obama did not call the LDS Church a CUlt. In fact, President Obama was grateful for meeting with and being presented with family genealogy when he met President Monson.

    This is about one thing, the down and dirty bigoted politics in a concerted effort to make Romney look bad by labeling the LDS Church a cult.

    Notice Perry has NOT said that he think the LDS Church is Christian, all he said was "I don't believe it is a cult" and he has not denounced his backers. Why? Because he knows he needs these close minded overly religious types to sink Romney in the South. Just watch, Romney to stumble in the South just like last time. Watch for Cain to invoke God for this that and the other while trying to raise taxes on everyone and Bachmann take federal money while decrying it. Perry is a tax and spend big government supporter.

    They will all get desperate and start attacking the LDS faith. This is what the Republican party has become.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    The way many Mormons are trying to down play and dodge their religious teachings it appears they may be willing to exchange their believes for political position and power.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    It just makes me chuckle. Conservative Christians who believe in winning at any cost results in some of the most mind bending results. Lying, spreading false information, insults, lack of integrity.... all immoral unless it is in the political theatre. Kind of link swearing in your car with the windows rolled up doesn't count because no one can hear you.

    I am so looking forward to the day when the Christian Right actually acts like what they stand for, rather than this mud slinging win at all cost crowd we have today.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 18, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    "The way many Mormons are trying to down play and dodge their religious teachings"

    For example??

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 12:19 a.m.

    To LValfre:

    I live in Chicago but am obsessed with Utah's newspaper and dominant religion. I hate Mormons but there are too few in Chicago to satisfy my thirst to offend on a large scale.

    Does that sum it up pretty well?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 12:33 a.m.

    @LValfre

    "We're so faithful. We're so exhorted. We've always been followers. We're so indoctrinated.

    Does that sum it up pretty well?"

    I was poking fun of my church's persecution/victim complex. I have heard it my entire life. I would like to just practice my religion without having to compare my ancestor's suffering compared to everyone else's. Growing up we never heard both sides of any story, just how we were persecuted and I resent that. As an adult, studying history I have learned that not everything that happened to the early Saints (and current Saints) was blameless for the Saints - and guess what? It hasn't tainted my love or testimony of the gospel at all.

  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 12:39 a.m.

    The one thing that Romney needs to say is that Harry Reid is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and leave it at that. What are they going to do put down Reid if it is the Obama team wanting to make Mitt Romney look weird because of his faith. Faith should never be the issue here in running for the President of the Untied States. It should be on the issues and how one preforms and Rick Perry has had a poor showing int that area. Mitt is much better in what he knows as well as how he even acts like he is already the President. It makes me sick that so many are still trying so hard to make those who believe in the Church look like we have a disease or something.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    DSB says:
    To RanchHand - but, there is not a single incident of Romney disparaging anyone because of religion, so your little claim that he would "NO DOUBT" engage in that kind of dirty trick is really more a reflection of your own rabid hatred of Republican politicians (and probably Mormons, based on your other biased comments), than a credible prediction of Romney's inclinations.

    ---

    First. I do NOT hate Mormons. My entire family is LDS and a whole hoard of my friends are as well. I hate your corporation. There IS a difference.

    Second. Romney is a politician through and through. He'll say ANYTHING to get elected. He CAN'T say anything bad about his opponents religions or he risks losing ALL votes from the religious fanatics on that side.

    Third. Religion and politics are both corrupting influences and joined, they become super corrupt. Just look at these comment boards for proof of that.

    @don17;

    "...here in a blessed country that promotes freedom, liberty and justice for all that when bigorty is in front of us we fail to see it unless it's past bigotry. "

    ---

    Tell that to the GLBT citizens for whom Mormons were leading the charge to discriminate.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 7:09 a.m.

    @The Deuce;

    Mormon kids in Utah treat non-Mormon kids at school the same way that your non-Mormon kids in school treated the Mormon kids.

    That doesn't make either scenario right, but it is a fact. The minority kids at school get picked on by those of the majority.

    Here in Utah, the Mormon kids are the majority and do the taunting and teasing. Again, it isn't right, but don't think for a second that your Mormon friends, had they been in Utah wouldn't have been wearing the other shoe.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Wow, the persecution complex just keeps getting worse.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    If you want stories of persecution, read about those who were gentiles in Utah during Brigham Young's time. Or read about the Fancher wagon train party.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 19, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    RE: O'really, To answer your request: "The way many Mormons are trying to down play and dodge their religious teachings"

    For example??

    Read the Book of Mormon, D&C, Mormon Journall of Discourse, vol. 9 p.31; vol 8:171; vol 8:199; vol.10: 230; Pearl of Great Price; Orson Pratt; Mormon Doctrin 1979, p670. It is surprising how so many know so little about what they proclaim to believe. Studing Mormon history is very interesting and educational. It should be recommended to all interested followers.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    The temptation to use decades of inborn prejudice and religious intolerance against a political candidate for political gain is too great for some. The fact is this stuff exists, but that one candidate is willing to exploit it, makes that candidate unworthy of the presidency.

    A President should have the character to rise above these things. Perry isn't doing that. If Obama's people go there, I'll feel likewise. There's not place in America for state-sanctioned intolerance.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 19, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    @ LDS Liberal

    Read the rest of the Constitution please Mr. Rock - specifically Article VI --
    "...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

    ===

    Please tell me something I don't already know. The constitution refers to an official government test to qualify for the ballot. People are free to form their own opinions on any criteria they choose to use.

    You are correct that government and religion should not be merged. This is because men are corrupt. Governments have historically used religion as a tool to get whatever they want. Governments corrupt religions, not the other way around for the most part.

    After the second coming there will be a theocracy. Church and state will be merged although religious freedom will still exist. When God is your king how do you separate church and state?

    In Pahoran's reply to Captain Moroni we learn that the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Freedom. (Alma 61:15) Those who attempt to separate people from their religion are attempting to separate men from the source of freedom. Very harmful indeed.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 19, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    To skeptic

    2 Nephi 9:28

    28 O that cunning plan of the evil one! O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish.

    Especially the part about "supposing they know of themselves". Just a word of caution. Have a good day.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    Huckabee used attacks on LDS beliefs to wreck Romney's train in 2008, and Perry is doing the same...there is that underlying belief system of Bible belt Christians that is rooted in pride, they are right, LDS are wrong kind of thing, that won't let them vote for Mitt...it is a low blow such as is outlawed in boxing,to Mitt, but for those who will do anything to win, a mere warning doesn't change the pain inflicted, it still helps them win, so they are willing to fight dirty...thats politics.

    There's no question Perry is allowing his backers to keep up these attacks, just enough to remind Evangelicals, Southern Baptists, et al that they should not vote for Mitt because he is LDS.

    The reasons to not vote for Perry are so much greater, he is a "politician" in the worst tradition, having gone from Al Gore supporter to Republican and now to whatever it takes to win an office...Pres. Obama is of that same way, reading the polls, manipulating the people, all fluff and no substance, "playing the ignorant like a banjo," to get their votes.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 19, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    To: O'really, Thank you for your concern and councel, but I am not sure what you are suggesting other than may be ingnorance is bliss. However, I just can not see that being the answer that we are intented to seek. Nevertheless, I imagine it could make life much easier. I hope you have a good day too.

  • whoknows80 LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    @DSB: You HATE Mormons -
    What did they do to you? I could say I hate Obama as a president. It doesn't mean I hate blacks. I could say I hate so and so....it doesn't mean I hate Catholics just because they may Catholic. You hate Mormons....kind of hard to lump them all into one! I may as well say I hate people...because everyone is stupid and rude at some point or another....but I don't.

    @DSB: I believe what LDS Lib meant is that being any certain religion should not disqualify someone from running or becoming President. Sure...people will vote for who they will vote fore and they will have some kind of reasoning behind it. However, becoming President DOES have some qualifications. Like being born in the United States.... but being a certain religion or NOT being a certain religion is not a qualification. If it were...well, you may as well not have separation of church and state if you had specific religions as a qualification or dis-qualifier, just as being japanese, black, or of any particular ancestry is also not a qualification or disqualification.

  • whoknows80 LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    @mightymite - is romney mormon or lutheran
    Where did you come up with him maybe being Lutheran? He belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...what many people call Mormons because of the Book of Mormon that they also believe is scripture.

    @everyone
    Why can people just not STOP already with non-acceptance of differing views? Clearly "Mormons" cannot be lumped into a single group no more than Catholics can be said to all have the same exact ideas, desires, wishes or plans. The gospel of a religion may teach one thing, but that does not mean that everyone belonging to that religion completely follows. Someone can be of a religion and have no desire to study it, live it, teach it, defend it or otherwise. Clearly everyone has individual ideas and plans regardless of race and religion.

    Huntsman is running- ... Mormon heritage, his wife raised Episcopalian, his children attended Catholic schools, he attended a Lutheran school, adopted a child from India-Hindu traditions....they get along as a family just fine like our nation must learn to do.

    "These presidential nomination contests arent about religion; theyre about leadership." --Jon Huntsman Jr (candidate)

  • Woody Newbury Park, CA
    Oct. 19, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    The performance of Governor Parry has put him in a perfect position to be nominated as..... Vice President. He is the logical heir to Palin, Biden, Quayle, Agnew et al.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    How do you choose a President?

    You choose someone...

    ...who had an Ivy League education?

    ...who was born into wealth and lives in wealth?

    ...who has led large corporations (because of being born and living in wealth)?

    ...who has "good character"? (and "good hair"?)

    How do you evaluate character? Marital status? Religious affiliation?

    Because you think that: "Good" people only come from religious backgrounds? (Atheists need not apply). Really?

    "Good" people are married (to a member of the opposite sex), never divorced, and have "good" children? Really?

    "Good" people are "Christian" and willing to be open about it, wear it on their sleeve, and try to "testify" at every opportunity? Really?

    What about someone who...

    ...has a demonstrated track record of public service?
    ...has articulated sound positions on important political, economic, and social issues?
    ...has a demonstrated commitment to advancing the international position and influence of the USA?
    ...has an intelligent mastery of the principles of government, an applied understanding of the Constitution, and an appreciation for the fact that today is today and 1776 was a long, long time ago?

    We don't have a lack of good candidates. We have a lack of good, thoughtful VOTERS!