I'm sorry but Executorloh you obviously didn't watch the same game. I agree
that Cullen has had some fouls that have hurt the Utes this year, but he does
play hard to the end of the whistle. I also assume the coaches teach the
offensive line to hit until the whistle, otherwise he wouldn't continue with his
aggressive play. I've been very frustrated with some of his fouls, but I'll
defend him on this call. I was upset with the foul against Pittsburgh's
Alecxih, so I went back and played it a few times and the whistle didn't blow
until after Alecxih was on the ground (wasn't even close). Also, if Cullen was
guilty of a foul then so was Alecxih whom blind sided John White a split second
before Cullen laid him out. I agree with "BigUtahFan" comments on
Alecxih also, Alecxih needs to look in the mirror before spouting off.
Duckhunter states:"Playing hard isn't dirty but not being very
good is a more apt description of cullen." (sic)So you're
saying you have been watching the Utes? Also, intently enough to be able to
state that Cullen isn't dirty, just 'not very good'?You be trollin'
Cullen could be talented if he could stay focused an entire game. Cullen allowed
two sacks that I remember plus a few penalties. It was a horrible game on his
Don't worry about that patriot. You won't have to sleep with any of them.
Besides, shouldn't you be a lot more focused/concerned about the product Utah
puts on the field rather than the hairdo under their helmets? This is the
University of Utah; not Bon Losee Academy.
why do so many Utah players have long stringy hair and beards? It makes the
program look cheap. You don't see that sort of scroungy look in the Big 10 or
the Big 12. The Pac 12 seems to take on this west coast hippie look.
hohum and TexasGirlAUte:My point was not that players didn't hear
the whistle, but rather they could not differentiate the whistles in the North
endzone from the onfield officials. So they erred on the side of caution and
kept playing until the whistle was in their ear. I was seated with
the rest of the Utah fans all the way in the SOUTHeast endzone, and even WE were
confused as to when a play was blown dead. If Cullen backs off of a play
because he thought one of the officials blew their whistle -- and was wrong --
Hayes/White gets blown up in the play. It's bad enough that we're starting a
D-II level dual-threat player under center in a Pro-style offense, but we also
have a 180-lbs RB starting in his 1st year at the FBS level. We cannot afford
any more injuries; especially not at those positions.
By the way it's football. One guy calling another guy "cheap" is
pretty meaningless. Pretty much all of them take "cheap" shots at each
other when they get the chance. Why do you utah "fans" even care? You
won the game didn't you? It was a cheap shot, so what? There are always cheap
shots by both teams in every game. It's football.
@mormon utecullen not being any good has nothing to do with BYU. I'm
sorry your tender feelings are hurt hearing that but it's true. He is not very
good. Actually he is pretty bad. But you don't have to take my word for it there
are plenty of utah fans on here telling you the same thing. LOL!
@ HohumI think what Naval Vet meant was that the fans blowing
whistles at the end of the field may have deceived the refs into thinking one of
their own had blown the whistle instead... thus... flags being thrown before the
play was officially declared over by the "real" whistle from the ref.
I could be wrong but thats how I understood it. Either way, it doesn't make
sense because that means that either the players weren't paying attention to the
refs or the refs weren't paying attention to each other. You think if you fooled
the Ref you'd fool the players as well... right? Haha, I'm probably not making
any sense. oh well. In any case, fan whistles really just lead the
whole group (players and refs alike) into confusion.
During the play in question, the accusing Pitt player was shoving down John
White IV (the same guy who rippped of White's helmet by the facemask) after the
play was dead. Cullen retaliated---and got the flag. "Dirty". That's
like Vlade Divac accusing Karl Malone of "flopping."I'm OK
with Cullen's fierce loyalty to his teamates...Now, if only we can
keep him from doing so many false starts.
Naval Vet:Reread what you said, I think I missed something. If there
were whistles blowing in that end of the field, wouldn't the u stop hitting
early not late. You play until you hear a whistle, you would have stopped early.
From what you say, the u was in fact hitting intentionally, after hearing the
whistle.To many penalties on one person, needs some serious
coaching.Having a reputation for being dirty or
"aggressive" doesn't make you a better team. Trying to intimidate
other players doesn't win games, only assignment football does.
*often too quick to criticize, was what I meant to say.
Cullen has proven to be a liability at times, but we really don't have a lot at
tackle behind him. As far as the sacks given up, not all of that is on him. We
are often to criticize a tackle getting beat around the corner, but there are
plenty of times when it is not actually on them. I imagine skyline_ute knows
what I'm talking about, but the entire O-Line has to work together on every
play. The center usually makes the presnap reads and the guards are
responsible for calling out switches when guys blitz or stunt. Brenner, Mason
and Stevens are all great players on the interior, but let's take into account
that they're first-year starters at their positions (Brenner filled in some at
tackle last year and Stevens played guard), and also that this is a new offense.
Please don't act like experts in criticizing a player's performance
when you don't know the situation.
I'm not allowed in the film room because I don't know very much about the game
and my comments would only confuse people--but I have to believe that even
though Mr. Cullen has stopped a couple of drives with dumb penalties, the film
would probably show him being responsible for opening up huge holes for big
gains by a certain Mr. White. As for the defenders getting to the qb unimpeded,
I would imagine that others may have been just as responsible as he. All I know,
is that he was part of an offensive line that totally wore down BYU earlier in
the year. My guess would be that he grades out very well or Davis wouldn't have
him in there and if you were to suggest replacing him, Tim Davis would probably
stare at you like you were an idiot.
sorry thunderstruck, I respectfully disagree.If the team were better
without him, he wouldn't be playing. The guy is loaded with talent and will
work it out.
Those who criticize aren't playing in the game, usually because they aren't man
executorloh,go away if you dont have anything productive to say.
You are just out looking for a fight and its just not welcome here. As far as the article goes, John Cullen needs to step his play up. But he
isn't a dirty player. Give me a break.
@Mormon Ute.This article is not about BYU's offensive line, it is about
Almost half the article is about Bergstrom trying to sell how tough they are and
that they finish plays. Truth is that Cullen hit the Panther after the play was
over (after the whistle) and got flagged for it. There is nothing pure and
noble about cheap shots; and yes, it was a dirty cheap shot.
Duckhunter,Considering the lack of quality play so far by BYU's
offensive line, I'm not sure your assessment of talent is very credible. You
were so high on how good BYU's line was before the season started and look at
what they accomplished.
Re: pocyUte - uh, no way! He's not that good, he gets penalties and kills
drives. we could do without him.
Though I'm frustrated with all penalties, especially those at critical times,
Cullen is a stud, and a very good player. I expect him to get the emotions
under control a bit more, but he is integral to the success of the team.
Remember, he is part of the line that ground out 171 yards with White. Yes,
he's also part of the line that gave up a bunch of sacks, but not all of that is
on him, or the line.I expect Cal to be a very similar game, a
defensive grind, but fortunately I think our defense is better, and offense is
"Bergstrom emphasized that Utes keep battling and pushing the pile until
they hear a whistle."That's how WE finished plays when I was in
high school: to the whistle. Incidentally, this brings me to my point...I was in Pittsburgh for the game last weekend. What wasn't mentioned in
THIS article [and neither in the Tribune's nor the local Pittsburgh media
publications] was that the North endzone at Heinz Field were full of fans who
brought their OWN "officials" whistles, and were blowing them
throughout the game. I wonder how much of THAT had to do with a few late hits
by Utah, because the closer you get to that end of the field, the more difficult
it would be to distinguish between the officials on the field from the
whistle-blowers in the stands.GO UTES!!!
I'd love to see a breakdown of the penalty yards by player. I would bet that
Cullen has the most career yards! The guy is penalized every single game, for
just dumb stupid play.
@JeffInNormanI'm not sure what games you've been watching. I agree with
your thoughts on Cullen but Bergstrom hasnt had a penalty since the Montana St.
Game. The dude didn't give up a sack last season and has continued playing well
this year. As a former o-lineman, the o-line is all watch and he Brenner
consistently open up big holes for White. Not sure if you noticed but most of
John White's yards came from running to the right. Even when they ran left he
cut back to the right behind Bergstrom and Brenner to gain yards. Those 2 guys
are studs, and according to most experts Bergstrom will be playong in the league
next year, watch something besides the ball before you call someone overrated.
It's painful to watch Cullen's stupid penalties. He seems to set back the
offense several times a game. Procedure, holding and his favorite, personal
fouls. You know our backup left tackle must really be lacking for Cullen to
still be in the lineup.
I'm sorry, but the guy that called Cullen a "dirty" player is the same
guy that pulled John White down by his facemask not letting go until he hit the
ground. This same guy blindsided John White on the same play that Cullen took
that shot at him. Cullen was protecting his RB which he should do. 98 also
ripped Bergstroms helmet off. Hey pot, meet kettle.
John White IV & Tim Davis believe they can block, that's all that matters.
Playing hard isn't dirty but not being very good is a more apt description of
Cullen isn't dirty, he just can't block anybody. Cullen and Bergstrom are the
two most over-hyped tackles that the Utes have had in the last 20 years.
Bergstrom can block a little better but he jumps off side so much that the
quarterback might as well have been sacked. Bergstrom and Cullen are no Jordan
Nope just a bad player