BYU became a solid football team on that winning drive engineered by Riley
Nelson against Utah State. Riley Nelson is a football player that others
respect. The cougars have a good team made better by a courageous and innovative
quarterback.The schedule is weak so BYU's best hope is that enough people have
watched them on ESPN and a good Bowl gives them an offer.
@ DRayYou are correct again. I hold no quarter for Heaps that is
clear. I am a believer in hard work and earning your keep. I believe
as you do that Doman over promised to Bronco and he, Doman was under delivering
with Jake as QB 1 for the 2011 season. So like a good front man Bronco has
fallen on the proverbial sword so to speak with his Work in Progress lines to
the press.I hope Jake has the moxy and maturity to learn from this
much needed time of reckoning. Time will tell, just as it has for Riley and his
team mates. I do love the word Reckoning one of my favorite films
Tombstone when the coolest character Doc Holiday, played by Val Kilmer duels
with Johnny Ringo and he say's I am your huckleberry, why Johnny you look like
someone just walked over your grave I think Jake might feel a little like that.
When in doubt, blitz. The prevent defense Bronco runs is a joke.
Yes, the offense is looking better, but the competition hasn't been better. Do
we look better because the quality of opponent has sharply declined or are they
really getting better? Some are looking forward to the TCU game as a
measuring stick. But TCU hasn't really looked that great this year. They are not
the same team as last year. So what will a win against them really mean?I hope Riley keeps improving and that Doman is working with Heaps to
toughen him up.And to Holmoe: Keep working on getting us in a BCS
conference! Independence is okay, but a BCS conference would be much, much
better. Thanks for at least coming out and saying something. Even if it wasn't
much, it was still something.
Some good comments above about the BYU game and the offense is a work in
progress. I did not expect them to gain 500 yards on offense, but did think they
would score in the 30's. Good outing for the Cougar offense. I also thought the
defense gave the OSU QB too much time to throw the football. Had we rushed 5 - 6
guys instead of 3, the QB would have been on the run and likely made some long
passes and had some others dropped. I come on this board to read
about my Cougars. Why some think this is a sounding board for the U is nuts.
When/If I care enough to read about the team up north, then I would go to their
articles. Haven't yet. Don't care to and I have similar attitude of the team
in red that Max Hall had. Having to suffer reading about posts from anti BYU
fans simply encourage me to like them all the less. Go Cougars.
With ISU, I am looking for 50+ pts. and 600+ yards.
The o line has given up less than 5 sacks this season. Utah gave up 7 sacks in
their last game. The o line is the only consistent unit on the team right now
and yet people who pretend to know about football and make comments on here
continue to diss the o line. Unreal.
Wow, patriot, why so anti Riley and a balanced offense? One need look no further
than, arguably (only arguably if you live under a rock) the best conference in
college football, now and for the last...well, long time, the SEC. There are
plenty of programs that are predominant running attack first. Your zeal for the
Y is unquestionable and you have an obvious passion for an aerial game, but what
is happening now has been proven to work, even be dominant, and, IMO, be
exciting to watch as well.
RE The Sports AuthorityThank you! The stats never lie.
"BYU defense could not stop a red-shirt freshman quarterback."I agree. How many freshman quarterbacks has BYU been torched by this
season? Ole Miss, Texas, Utah State, San Jose, and Oregon State all played
freshman QB's against BYU and the soft, conservative Cougar defense made them
look like seasoned veterans. Even a freshman QB can look like a pro if he has 5+
seconds to throw the football almost every down. Would it kill Bronco to blitz
on 3rd down? And when it is 3rd and 12 and you give the receivers a 15 yard
cushion they are going to move the chains every time. I found myself hoping for
3rd and short situations because then Oregon State might try to run the ball and
then the defense might actually have a chance to get the stop. The offense has
definitely shown signs of improvement the last two weeks, but the defense seems
to have taken a few steps backwards. They better get that fixed before October
22 or Casey Pachall (another freshman WB) is going to have his best game of the
season. I'm sure he and Patterson are salivating watching film on Eason right
"Cougar fans are way past the loss to Utah"Speak for
yourself. That was the worst performance I have seen in my 30+ years of BYU
fanhood and I will never be over it, though a win against TCU in two weeks would
go a long way toward making me forget about it.
News For U3) Utah is in a BCS conference and BYU is still a
mid-major school.You're really trying to argue that being winless in
a BCS conference makes U more relevant than a Top 10 team that isn't in a BCS
conference?I got news for U: association with teams that are great
is like being a bench warmer on a championship team. Your team/conference may be
great, but that doesn't make you great.
3) Utah is in a BCS conference and BYU is still a mid-major school.Which proves what?Based on this Utah talking point, Indiana, which
has been in a BCS conference since the BCS was created, has been MUCH more
relevant and a much better football program since 1998 than Utah, TCU, Boise
State, or BYU.
Am I wrong, or was Jake Heaps missing from the sideline Sat? I looked and
re-looked, didn't see him once. Did Coach Brandon take him up into the booth
with him? The Bend but Don't Break defense, of the second half, just drives me
crazy. The 6 and 7 sec. gifts to the Or. QB, with our 300 plus lbs. D. Tackles
trying to get to him , caused fatigue and injury, let alone auto. movement of
the chains down-field, then when in range, pick on our out-classed field corner
for eazy scores. That will continue as the MO. for opponents D.strategy when
they watch game film. Wish Coach would consider replacing our Boundary Corner
with Sampson and move Hadley, at Boundary, to the Field Corner.To me that only
makes sense.It will srengthen both positions at the Corners.I think Sampson is
prepared enough now ,to handle the starting position duties. JUST DO IT ! Keep
News For UUtah has played 2nd fiddle to BYU for most of the past
half century and doesn't even come close in the list of meaningful
accomplishments:National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Heisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0National Individual
AwardsBYU 15Utah 0National College Football Hall of Fame
inducteesBYU 6Utah 1 (no players)AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5Overall Record the Last Half-CenturyBYU
389-204-4 (65%)Utah 308-253-4 (55%)Do something on a national
scale, then you can talk about being something more than a little brother.
I attended the game. BYU is fortunate to get a win. Officials were a bit
bias in favor of the PAC. BYU played better than in the past, but without the
OSU fumbles, I believe the Beavers would have won. BYU defense could not stop
a red-shirt freshman quarterback. Normally, they either completed passes or
dropped them, we did little defending. Playing against a team with a really
good QB would be a slaugher. The coaches still talk like they are in the
pre-season because by the end of the year they will probably have all the
problems resolved. I don't recall hearing this kind of conversation from a
coaching staff. I wonder how other teams get prepared to play the first game
of the season? Seems strange. Still, football is only the number 5 priority
for our players so it probably all makes sense.
@ Cougars - Foolish Little Brothers"Our BYU-obsessed little
brothers are just jealous that BYU has a better PAC 12 record, 1-1, than the
Utes, 0-3. We knew our little brother was going to struggle in his first year in
a big boys' conference, so we threw him a bone with our turnover fest so he
could have at least one highlight to remember from an otherwise dismal
season".Just an FYI: 1) The University of Utah was
the first established University west of the Mississippi River. You can't get
any older than that.2) Utah owns the head to head rivalry
55-34-4.3) Utah is in a BCS conference and BYU is still a mid-major
school.Your comment is so typical of byu fans and their little
brother syndrome always trying to beat their older brother with sticks and
stones and name calling. Then one day big brother goes down south and thumps his
little brother by 44 points. Oh by the way, thanks for the bone. Teams that
claim they gave it to you don't have pride. Hang in there band of little
Anne26 | 12:40 p.m. Oct. 17, 2011 West Jordan, UT Sorry
Anne,BYU fans, stop blasting the Utes.===:-)
@ MJB; Urban Meyer, Kyle Whittingham, Norm Chow era! All Dr. Hills doing.BYU non football sports in WCC era! All Holmoe.MJB; isn't
that a coffee?Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers.
Re: Ute's R Gr8. Post Majerus era! All Dr. Hill's doing.
@ WhatsInItForMe;DEAL! you guys take Holmoe and I'll take Dr. Hill any day of
the week, you need to take the blinders off and look at the carnage left behind
from Holmoes emotional based Independence decision. @ CougFaninTX; I
agree totally with your figures thus far, I never said it would happen over
night but, it will eventually happen. Thats why I would like to see BYU position
themselves to get into a BCS qualifying conference before they get shut out.Hang in there Band of Lil Brother.
@Veritas: You might want to look again at the posts. While there are only two
posts negative about BYU, there were others that took digs at the University of
Utah. Your comment makes it seem like you are okay with BYU fans blasting their
hate at the U, but not Utah fans criticizing the Y?
Nelson is a gritty kid that is one of the better run type QB's you will find.
BYU will win some games under Nelson but they will always have more rush yards
than pass going forward. BYU won't ever crack the TOP 20 under Nelson but it
seems that Bronco is content where his team is at with a 5-2 record. Anyway, it
is sort of hard for Y fans to transition to the run offense but better get used
Dear Deseret News Moderators:Notice this comment board.Aside from "Thunder mayf and pipes", please notice the tone of this
comment board.It's focused on the story, and sports. Not a forum for
people to blast their hate of a University or the Institution that it
represents.I don't know if the haters are on a fall break, or if you
have tried to keep the offensive, off-topic comments to a minimum, but this is
what the boards should look like, IMO.Thanks and keep up the good
@HapaI don't see it as a problem with Jake.A sophomore
can't be "weighed and measured found lacking" (great quote btw...
Loved the movie) as a sophomore, when he has 2-3 years left to grow into what he
can become.I see it that Jake was led to believe the hype
surrounding him, and has never been pushed into proving it on the field. The
coaches allowed him to believe he was all that, and they never made him feel the
pressure. He was not prepared to lead the team. Therefore, he was set up to
fail. He did not come in to the program as a starting D-1 qb, and it has been
shown.I have been impressed with Nelson, and if Lark is great, so be
it.I personally think the blame rests with Bronco and Doman. I just don't believe it's time to throw Jake under the bus yet.(Hapa, I always do appreciate your comments, though. You always seem to know
what you are talking about. I just think you are a little biased against Heaps.
If you are honest with yourself, don't you think he still has potential?)
cowboy99 | 11:34 a.m. Oct. 17, 2011 South Jordan, UT Veritas
Aequitas | 10:55 a.m. Oct. 17, 2011 Fruit Heights, UTLowered
expectations = Lowered productionI will always love a good football
game especially with my Cougars but if we're going to do this we might as well
do it right.Good teams rebuild, great teams replace. (We did it with
Beck>>Hall and Harline>>Pitta let's keep it up.) ===I agree with you.I just don't see where any expectations
were lowered.From what I heard, the coaches felt more pressure over
this summer than ever before.My point is this year has gone from one
with every high expectations, to what it has become (for both local
universities). -- Not every season can be a Jimmer season, that's what makes
Jimmer seasons so very special.I'm going to do what any sports lover
does.Sit back, and watch how the coaches and kids respond to
adversity.And, if a smile creeps in when I see something good, well,
bonus for me.That being said, you are right.
If there is one bad year to schedule as an independent, it is the first year.
So many schedules are already set. Take a look at next year's schedule, far
tougher and more interesting. All the same, I would rather be in a good
conference playing for a conference championship and a BCS bowl. Utah is
fortunate to have that opportunity now. I'm still hoping for BYU. As for Utah fans and trolls. This is one person who skips over digs and just
looks for intelligent comments. Otherwise I don't care if you're better or BYU
is better. It's just a game. Go find something meaningful to do.
@ DRayYour description of Heaps is dead on the mark, perfect. Bronco
and the rest of the coach's know that they have not invested wisely. It is
obvious to all to see that every aspect of the BYU football team has
exponentially leaped forward to a completely new level of performance with
Riley's guidance. Bronco to save face must lead all conversations
concerning the QB's with It is a work in progress, or with I like what I see
in Riley , and conclude his conversations with Jake is learning taking it in
stride, however we all know better.Sadly the real victim in all of
this QB work in progress has been James Lark. James is a class act all the way,
he is the one who should be QB#2 his work ethic and mechanics have been ignored
along with Riley making room for Heaps who has been weighed and measured found
lacking, hyped, packaged and sold and returned to the shelf. The
rest of this season has a nice feel to it and I hope the coach's continue to see
through the glass clearly not darkly.
Assuming a blow out by the 3rd period, my vote is to put Lark in for the
remainder of the game.
Veritas Aequitas | 10:55 a.m. Oct. 17, 2011 Fruit Heights, UTLowered expectations = Lowered productionI will always love a good
football game especially with my Cougars but if we're going to do this we might
as well do it right.Good teams rebuild, great teams replace. (We
did it with Beck>>Hall and Harline>>Pitta let's keep it up.)
I am a pretty big byu fan. But i think we are all being a little impatient. We
knew we were going to take a couple licks with the young QB and team. All we can
ask for is improvement and i think they are improving. I think the defense will
show up again and be tough. They will find a way to get it done
The Beavers were chippy and the officiating was done with a blind eye to obvious
infractions. Bronco was gracious in his compliments to OSU. A win is nice,
rising above the trash talk is even better.
@Ute's R Gr8The four superconference notion is dead for now. Thank you to
the PAC12 for ending that crazy notion.We will move from six BCS
conferences to five BCS conferences, but I'm predicting:SEC will
grow by one more to 14 by adding Missouri or West Viginia.Big12 will
grow to 12 next year by adding BYU and West Virginia / Louisville or Boise State
/ Air Force.ACC will stand pat with 14PAC12 will stand
pat with 12. If they didn't want OK and TX, who would they want?Big10 will stand pat with 12Big East will turn into a non-BCS
conference as soon as the current term is over - I believe it's 2013. Boise
State and Air Force would be nuts to join this sinking ship for one year of AQ
status.MWC / Conf USA merger will turn into the debacle of the
decade with teams fleeing within a year or two to create a new conference.
Our BYU-obsessed little brothers are just jealous that BYU has a better PAC 12
record, 1-1, than the Utes, 0-3. We knew our little brother was going to
struggle in his first year in a big boys' conference, so we threw him a bone
with our turnover fest so he could have at least one highlight to remember from
an otherwise dismal season.
cowboy99 | 10:23 a.m. Oct. 17, 2011 South Jordan, UT CougFaninTX | 7:13 a.m. Oct. 17, 2011 Frisco, TX"To be
honest there none of the teams we've played or will play were any good. That's
why this season has been so depressing."===Fans are
spoiled.You need to learn to enjoy the game.Watching two
kids fight it out for the starting QB job. Watching another elevate his game
when he plays in front of his friends and family.And both local
teams leaving the MWC and the stupid MWC television contract.This
has been a great year, and the future looks even brighter.Now, step
away from the ledge and give your kids a hug.
"BYU football: BYU's offense still a work in progress"===It has been for two years.Still, enjoying the
CougFaninTX | 7:13 a.m. Oct. 17, 2011 Frisco, TX"Even if
we win out, but lose to TCU; and end with a 9-3 record - this season will be
remember as one where we beat the teams we were suppose to beat and lost to the
good teams on the schedule. "To be honest there none of the
teams we've played or will play were any good. That's why this season has been
so depressing.What's happened to the defense? At the beginning of
the year they were stout and now look like they're on roller skates out there.
BYU's offense a work in progress? Their defense is a work in progress. Their
secondary is being exploited big time with the passing game. They are not
putting enough pressure on the quarterback, and the secondary is lacking in
speed. Actually, it is impossible to cover receivers in a situation where an
opposing team has a decent quarterback. So more pressure from linebackers and
blitzing corners and safeties is the answer. You can't give good passers time
to get the ball to speedy receivers. Luckily, other than TCU, the remaining
schudule is very flat with mediocre teams. TCU and Hawaii will be adventures no
doubt. Luckily Riley Nelson has brought his elusive running skills to the
quarterback position. Otherwise BYU would be in a "heap" of trouble.
Alisa and the running backs along with a resurgent offensive line has provided
some offense. However, Oregon State is a sorry ballclub. So don't get too
excited at this point about BYU progress. 38-28 is nothing to crow about.
BYU's sorry road record historically against decent teams says it all. It was a
good victory no doubt about it; but Oregon State is among the dregs of the
"The Cougars did surrender a pair of turnovers an Alisa fumble in BYU
territory, followed by Nelson's pick-six late in the first half."That pick never should have been thrown, but more importantly it never
should've been CALLED. The Cougars were on the left hash mark and the throw was
to the right. That is an NFL throw with a QB who, no disrespect to his other
abilities, doesn't have an NFL arm. Check that. NFL hashmarks are narrower.
Even NFL QB's aren't asked to make that throw. Please don't call that again,
Doman. Have Riley do what Riley can do.Alisa fumbled without being
hit by a defender. The Cougars need to learn the Tiki-Tuck.
@ Ute's R Gr8,The four 16-team superleagues won't happen. With the
Pac-12 not taking Oklahoma and Texas, and with the B12 stabilizing themselves,
there will be at least 5 BCS conferences going forward for a very long time.And I'd take Holmoe over Hill any day.
Not to say they weren't all valid, but Pac-12 refs did it again.In
two games BYU has played vs. Pac-12, BYU has averaged 9 penalties per game for
74.5 yards. Against the other five opponents, BYU averages 3.8 penalties for
It was well pointed out that lack of protection for the qb is one reason Riley
Nelson is needed over Jake Heeps...Jake can throw better, but not when under
fire, he seemed to panic and did not scramble as Riley does. Riley is first a
football player, 2nd a qb, whereas Jake is a qb who seems to have no liking for
the block and tackle of football. Cougar team seems to be improving
each game, proof of real improvement will come against the better teams, like
TCU, love to see Y get a win there.
@ Thuder MayfIndependents' stadiums- Institution Football Stadium Capacity
Army- Michie Stadium= 40,000 BYU- LaVell Edwards Stadium=
66,923 Navy Navy Marine Corps Memorial Stadium= 34,000 Notre Dame-
Notre Dame Stadium= 80,975 There are 4 division 1 independant and
all very successful football programs, which one would you call insignficant? It
is very good to be independant!
I told everyone two weeks ago, that Texas looks out for themselves FIRST. Thats
why TCU instead of BYU. With that said, I believe the super 16 leagues
will come to fruition, I do hope that BYU finds a league, their program has been
consisted for years and they are better than any bottom half of all leagues. Get Holmoe out and get somebody in that is qualified to guide a good program
into a BCS qualifying league.Good Luck Band of Lil Brothers, I hope
it works out for you guys.
Thunder mayf and pipes: trolls. Cougar fans are way past the loss to
Utah, whereas utes are hanging their whole season on it. Nothing left to be
Nothing the Cougars do this season will compensate for the 54-10 beat down we
took at the hands of the utes. Until we beat them, that pain will not go away!
I thought BYU was in control of the game. Nelson did well. Alisa still rocking
it. and the recievers seemed to be catching. The O-line is still struggling on
pass protection, so Nelson is the right guy at QB, he can get out of there when
needed. Good job cougars.
Idaho State should be a blowout. I'm guessing we'll see Heaps again in 2nd
half.A fews ago, I was not giving the Cougs a chance against TCU.
Now I believe we can get a win if we play a very good game with no turnovers.
I think it will take a win against TCU to turn the season into one
that's respectable. Even if we win out, but lose to TCU; and end
with a 9-3 record - this season will be remember as one where we beat the teams
we were suppose to beat and lost to the good teams on the schedule. Go Cougs!
Every week it's reported that 'BYU's offense still a work in progress.' Enough
already. Unless your progress takes you to a conference that matters I'm going
to contiue to be an extremely bored fan. I'm sorry to say that Independence