@mormonmuted"I would rather have lost to teams of that caliber
than have my win/loss record propped up by wins over lowe level opponents like
UCF and Utah State."...says the fan of a team that went 8-0
against cupcakes last year, got ranked #5 beating cupcakes and later fell off
cliff against TCU, ND and BSU, a lowly WAC team (sarcasm).
While not a Utah fan, I hope the young man has a chance to build up his body and
frame during his rehab so he can complete his career without further serious
I don't think Wynn qualifies for a medical hardship or medical redshirt. In
order to qualify a player cannot appear in more than 20% / 30% of the games
(different responses from different websites), and a player cannot appear in any
game after the mid point of the season. Wynn meets the second criteria, but he
does not meet the first. I don't think the NCAA will grant a medical hardship
to him. However, I do wish Wynn a speedy recovery and all the best.
To all of those critiquing Hays, let's look at a few key points of the last two
games:1. Hays has a much better and deeper arm than Wynn. Just look
at those two deep bombs Hays threw against ASU in the second half.2.
Hays is a better running quarterback. Some of those trick runs he did using John
White as a decoy were awesome and showed that he can be fast and pick up the
first down when necessary.3. He has a mental toughness that is just
going to keep developping with time. As mentioned before, he threw two huge
bombs in the second half. The first one was negated cause of a penalty. Two
plays later on third down, he and White pull off a nice trick play which allows
Hays to throw a deep accurate play. That takes mental toughness. He just needs
to keep developping it to cut down on those stupid turnovers where he threw a
bad pass instead of running it for the first down or taking the time to
stabilize himself.Look forward to the rest of the season, hope we
can pull off an 8-4 or 7-5 season
Duckhunter Hunter, I disagree with your predictions. You are too hard on your
own team. Here are my predictions (from a Cougar/USC fan)@ Pit. Utah
wins. Utah has shown it can play on the road. See USC game and the thumping we
got in Provo this year. @ Cal. Cal wins. Great receivers, similar to
USC, and a solid defense making it tough to run and forcing Hays to win it. I
like Hays, so this will be a telling game. Oregon St. Utah wins. @ Arizona. Utah wins, but watch out for a trap game. Arizona can score.
UCLA. Utah wins. Remember last time UCLA played Utah. UCLA is not a
good team and can't play on the road. @ Washington St. Utah wins.
Better athletes on both sides of the ball. Colorado. Utah wins. So I have Utah winning 6 of the next 7. I don't think the season will
collapse. It depends on Hays and not turning the ball over in the redzone. Utah
will get better recruits, which will help in the future, but Utah will have
tougher schedules in future years with USC eligible for bowl games and Oregon
and Stanford on the slate.
phoenix - "BYU 4-2 has a better record than any of the teams
left on Utah's schedule, and we all know what "solid competition" Utah
fans think BYU is."Why is BYU being injected back into this
conversation? Utah has already handled business there. And 2 of the 4 wins you
are using to bolster your argument were USU and SJSU. Those teams are hardly
the cream of the crop. Sure, you could use an argument about how some of the
teams Utah has or will play have also played weak teams. And that would be
true.The true measure of how teams stack up is head-to-head and Utah
was on the winning end, yet again, and has been for 7 of the last 10 years.
Don't bother bringing up the 70s and 80s because then I will be foreced to go
back to the beginning.And, yes, overall, Utah's schedule is more
difficult than BYU's.
So. Cal Reader,You missed my point. While BYU fans are gloating
about beating non-AQ teams the Utes have lost to some of the best teams in the
Pac 12. I see good things ahead for the Utes. You say a winning record is
almost out of reach, but none of the opponents still on our schedule are close
to the ones we've played so I see it far differently than you do.
Riddles in the Dark,No, I didn't forget about Oregon and Stanford,
but two of the teams we have played are currently tied with them for 1s place
(ASU & Washington) in the conference and the other team's (USC) only loss is
to one of those two (ASU). It's really not complicated.Really not
that many Ute fans expected us to be as competitive in the Pac 12 as we were in
the MWC. Some of us did hope for a possible run at the South Division title,
but ASU turned out better than we thought.My point is that things
are not as bad as most people want to make out and we have a real shot at a
Circular LogicUtah's invitation to the PAC 12 proves they have an
awesome football programColorado doesn't have an awesome football
program, but got an inviteBoise State has a better football program
than Utah, but didn't get an inviteResearch is more important than
football in getting an invite to the PAC 12Utah's invitation to the
PAC 12 proves they have an awesome football program
Thlete"Utah is playing to improve their bowl options against
solid and entertaining competition..."Pitt 3-3Cal 3-2OSU 1-4Ariz 1-5UCLA 3-3WSU 3-2Col 1-5Solid
competition?BYU 4-2 has a better record than any of the teams left
on Utah's schedule, and we all know what "solid competition" Utah fans
think BYU is.Utah has already lost to the only "solid
competition" they'll play this season, and the Utes ducked the only real
solid competition the PAC 12 had to offer this year.It is funny how
lightly regarded BYU's wins over Washington, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon State and
Oregon have been over the last few years, but how "solid" those same
teams are now that Utah is playing them every week.Go back and read
Utah fan comments about BYU's win over Washington just last season and you'll
see how hypocrital Utah fans have become about their "solid"
competition.btw, the New Mexico Bowl will look very appealing to
Utah fans when the Utes are playing Colorado in their season finale.
Hang in there Jordan. I hope you get another opportunity.
@ Riddles in the Dark: "The only thing Utah has left to play for is pride
and bowl eligibility." Well, you and your cougs should know all about that.
That's all you'll ever have.
socalcougar!Agree with every single point you made. Utah missed a
golden opportunity to get to the PAC-12 title game. I didn't think they would,
but everthing from schedule to key injuries on other teams to USC's bowl
ineligibility was in Utah's favor. Had they performed better, they could have
made serious progress in recruiting and earned respect. Now as it sits, they
haven't proven anything and the golden opportunity was "fumbled"
away.I still think a 7-5 or 6-6 record is possible, which is right
in line with my forecast at the beginning of the year. It's disappointing, but
it will take a few years to add depth and get accilmated to the rgors of the
I think Hays, with a little experience, will be a fine QB for the Utes. I doubt
that Wynn will be the number-one QB next year, having been counted on twice in
two years and twice, injuries forced him to the sideline.His arm
seems stronger than Wynn's -- perhaps time will remove the rough hewn edges and
he'll be successful. Now, if Heaps could figure things out ....
I hope Mr. Wynn has a speedy recovery but I do have to say that "it's alot
like a video game."
@RiddlesInTheDark, "The only thing Utah has left to play for is pride and
bowl eligibility." Utah is playing to improve their bowl
options against solid and entertaining competition, what is BYU playing for?
Re: socalcougar! "Chow is the real deal. At UCLA his quarterbacks were
injured and UCLA's head coach kept changing the system. After his
first year at USC, Chow couldn't be stopped. At BYU he put up huge
numbers, and he can do it at Utah with a healthy O-line and
quarterback." As a USC Alum, I too, am a big USC and BYU fan (because of
kids attending there). But how can Chow be the real deal? In
describing what he did at USC and BYU, you're reaching back 7 and 12
years, respectively. Well, here at Utah his quarterback is injured
again (just like at UCLA). Only time will tell, but the Utes offenses
has been less then stellar.
I don't understand how the medical redshirt works - always figured if you played
in more than one game, that was it. But 4 games doesn't count?No
complaints - I say good for him, benefit of the doubt should go to the college
kid, but it was odd to find out about.
Tom in CA: it's hard to have to much repect for a team that blew a lead in the
fourth quarter against a backup QB on a team the Utes beat by 44 points. that
said having watched Hays play last saturday, I'm not worried. He appeared to
have a stronger arm than Wynn, better legs, and doesn't break any time you get
near him. I think once he learns to read FBS defenses better, specifically their
speed, he'll be fine. I think in the long run the Utes may be even better off.
As a BYU and USC fan, these are my observations about Utah after watching all
Utah's games, and all of USC games (and many many PAC-10 games over the years).
1. Utah's defense is good. The offense has hurt the defense with
turnovers and bad field position. 2. Chow is the real deal. At UCLA his
quarterbacks were injured and UCLA's head coach kept changing the system. After
his first year at USC, Chow couldn't be stopped. At BYU he put up huge numbers,
and he can do it at Utah with a healthy O-line and quarterback. With Chow, USC
would have beat Texas in 05 for the national championship (moot point after
Reggie Bush).3. Arizona is better than its record. Arizona's offense can
score on anyone. That game is no gimmie. 4. Hays has a nice swagger to his
game that Wynn is missing. Whether it leads to victories I don't know, but at
least he's confident. 5. I wonder if Brian Johnson was a better quaterback
than a quarterback coach. 6. Utah missed an opportunity to get to the
title game with USC out of bowls and no Stanford or Oregon on the schedule.
TheSportsAuthority:"Hays is going to do just fine...Based on
what? Throwing four interceptions and fumbling twice in a game and a
half?"________Hey bro/sis - Utah fans aren't like BYU
fans...we don't panic when our QBs make a few mistakes. It is what it is...Hays
is our guy now, he hasn't had many starting reps yet and just played 2 of the
top 5 teams in the Pac 12. See, what Utah fans know, is that our
coaches will actually coach. They'll help the players clean up the mistakes that
have been happening the last two games.And Hays is our guy now.
He'll make some more mistakes but he'll get more comfortable along the way and
he'll do just fine. Barring the forced throws and some crucial
dropped passes last week, Hays actually looked better than Wynn, Heaps or
Nelson. Don't get me wrong...forced throws and drops count...but like I said,
he'll get coached and he'll get better.Now I do understand why you
made your comment. BYU fans would've just booed everybody and chanted for the
3rd stringer to come in.
Welcome to Duck and all his troll buddies. Glad you all have Utah articles to
post on to forget about your team down there in Cougartown. I feel sorry for
the terrible position your team is in and the fact that with all those tough
games ahead of you there is really nothing to look forward to. The only hope
you had was to beat the U and we all know how that turned out. It
is truly sad that since you all have nothing to do, you need to post on your
rival's articles. Duck was gone off the boards for 2 weeks after the Utah
pasting of the Cougars and now he posts on Utah articles 4 to 1 over BYU
articles and he is a BYU "fan."Sad.
"BYU's schedule is what it is, and what more were they to do
during their first year of going independent? "Umm,
maybe win the good games that were on the weak schedule instead of just the weak
ones? You talk about the Utes expectations in their division (which could be
realistic with a healthy starting QB, but that is neither here nor there), all I
heard about up until kickoff of the BYU game was how outmatched the Utes were in
talent to BYU, how BYU had their best ever recruiting classes and most depth,
especially on defense, and then they went out and laid an egg, giving up 5 TDs
to the Utes offense.If this is how your team responds to a couple
decent BCS teams, it's gonna be sad to see what the Notre Dames and Georgia
Techs do to you. We've already proved this year that it doesn't make you a
better team just playing great teams every week, you have to step your game up,
too. So far the Cougars have simply played to the level of all their opponents
(well, except Utah).
@ Duckhunter Your words don't hold water any more since you played the
duck and cover card after the Cougars went home whipped and whelped 54-10. 11
total yards rushing against the Utes and you are still dumbing up the works with
obscure statements that are getting to be tedious.
"Hays is going to do just fine"Based on what?Throwing four interceptions and fumbling twice in a game and a half?Losing back-to-back home games?Being a JC transfer that NOBODY except
Utah wanted?If the situations were reversed, we all know Utah fans
would be laughing their heads off at the arrogance of a team, fanbase and
coaching staff who expected to compete in a BCS conference with an injury-prone
starting QB and a JC transfer backup who's averaging a turnover a quarter.If Whittingham had spent half as much time recruiting a decent QB as he
has recruiting defensive linemen, the Utes wouldn't be in such dire straits.
Ducky,Still waiting on a response to my question from yesterday:What was your travel time from your seat in LES to your car after the
3rd quarter on 9/17? I'm sure you ran pretty fast, but there was a lot of other
people trying to get out there, too. Did you make it to the BYU
creamery before it closed?Don't both with the screen name smack
talk. It only shows that you've been reduced to nonsensical measures to try to
The Ute program is deeped than they are getting credit for...they will do just
fine for the remainder of the season. I do think Wynn is toast and the Ute's
need to recruite.
Mormon Ute said:"I would rather have lost to teams of that
caliber than have my win/loss record propped up by wins over lowe level
opponents like ... Utah State."One of the few games I would
like to see this year is Utah State at RES, beating up on the utes. Utah State
is a pretty good team, dude.
"We'll get through this together, our entire position group. He'll always
have our support, my support especially and we're going to grind him until he
gets healthy," Johnson explained. "He's a self-motivated guy, so he
wants to go out there and be back as soon as possible. So we won't have an issue
with him in his rehab."Lol.Now that's a Coach that
truly loves his players!All the best to Jordan from a Cougar fan. I
hope he sees the field again and doesn't have to deal with shoulder issues any
Re: Mormon Ute "All you BYU fans gloating need to remember, the 3 teams
we've lost to in the conference are 3 of the best in the conference.
They each only have one loss and only one of those three losses was a
conference game where USC lost to ASU. So there is no shame in those
losses." That sounds a little bit like a whine if you ask me. BYU's
schedule is what it is, and what more were they to do during their
first year of going independent? Their schedule will progressively
get harder as Notre Dame, Georgia Tech & Boise State get added to
Texas. The reality is the likelihood of reaching the 6-game minimum
wins for you Utes is vanishing quickly, which is NOT what you guys were
anticipating. Everything I saw and read was all about winning the
Southern Div. championship. Hmmmm.
@dand_uteI'm pretty sure we'll get by without you.LOL!
Mormon Ute"All you BYU fans gloating need to remember, the 3
teams we've lost to in the conference are 3 of the best in the
conference."Obviously, you forgot all about Oregon and Stanford
since Utah was given a pass by the PAC 12 not having to play the two best teams
in the conference.Yes, you've played the toughest part of your
schedule, but you've also played the only part of your schedule that matters as
far as competing for the conference championship; it's like losing to TCU, BYU
and AFA in your first three conference games in the MWC.ASU is 3-0;
Utah is 0-3.The only thing Utah has left to play for is pride and
bowl eligibility.BYU fans are only gloating because of the arrogance
of Utah fans expecting the Utes to be just as competitive in the PAC 12 as the
Utes were in the MWC.
If my team lost to your team 54-10, I probably wouldn't troll around the other
team's site and talk smack. Remember, as bad as the U gets this year, they are
still 44 points better than the Y. The Y fans should hope the U runs the table
the rest of the year so they can look like they at least got pounded by a good
@ Duckhunter | 9:33 a.m. Oct. 12, 2011 Highland, UT The
national rankings still put Utah's offense ahead of your Cougars and they are
playing a WAC schedule.OUCH
Please...so many of you coug fans are reaching and hoping. The Utes aren't
doomed, Chow still knows how to coach, and even Hays is going to do just
fine.The truth is, Utah screwed up in their recruiting efforts concerning
the O Line and quarterbacks. But these two groups are being addressed like crazy
in their current recruiting efforts and they have some awesome prospects.This year is tough and will probably continue to be up and down. But I have
little doubt that when those two positions are in better shape Chow will excel
at Utah. To those above who say the game has passed Chow by and point to UCLA as
an example...realize that Chow wasn't allowed to coach as he wanted to coach
while there which is why they agreed to part ways. Whittingham won't make the
same mistake.I won't predict if or when Utah will next get to a BCS bowl,
but I'll predict it'll happen long before BYU gets there.
I usually cheer for all the in state teams Utah, Utah State, then BYU. But the
stupid comments by some of the Y fans on here really have me hoping for another
blowout for my PAC12 brothers Oregon State! I hope they destroy the Y!
After watching Hays play Saturday, I have confidence he can do well. Yes, he
made more mistakes than Wynn, but some of that may have to do with wanting to
make something happen.All you BYU fans gloating need to remember,
the 3 teams we've lost to in the conference are 3 of the best in the conference.
They each only have one loss and only one of those three losses was a
conference game where USC lost to ASU. So there is no shame in those losses.
We've played the toughest part of our schedule and it has been tough. That
being said, I would rather have lost to teams of that caliber than have my
win/loss record propped up by wins over lowe level opponents like UCF and Utah
State. Even Ole Miss is hovering near the bottom of the SEC.Good
luck against Oregon State, TCU and Hawaii.Speaking of offensive
coordinators, in their only head to head match up Norm Chow took Brandon Doman
to the wood shed. I don't think anything more needs to be said about that. I
don't think there's any doubt which team is better coached.
"Utes have 'full faith' Jon Hays can lead team"Isn't this
the same song and dance we've been hearing from the Utah basketball program for
the last five years?It's nice to have confidence, but sometimes you
just have to wake up and smell the coffee -- Utah's QB situation was tenuous, at
best, to start the season, with an injured starter and no quality backups, and
now every Utah fan's worst nightmare has occurred; Wynn proved he was too
fragile to last a full season, and his replacement is proving why you can't rely
on a JC transfer that no one else wanted.
Tough luck for Jordan. I hope you have a speedy recover. To John keep up the
good work. Some how it will all come together soon!I think all the
cougar fans just want the UTE fans to admit they were right all along. Ok you
were right...but remember...what comes around goes around.The fans
always want to think their school is better than the other, but somehow in the
end our win-loss totals are the same many years. The thing to remember is, it
doesn't matter anymore. UTAH is UTAH and BYU is BYU.
What are the Utes supposed to say . . . we don't have faith in Hays? But
reality is reality, and the reality is that Wynn is not in the same category as
Smith or Johnson, and Hays is not in the same category as Wynn. He's a rookie
with a lot to learn. I don't know whether or not Hays will grow into a good QB,
but expect a lot of offensive struggles ahead. The U will be lucky
to become become bowl eligible. The good news is that the Utes have Colorado
and Arizona on the horizon. I'm not sure that those two teams are much better
than Idaho or Idaha State. (Said with a little bit of jest, but not much.)
Oregon State, UCLA and Washington State have turned from games that the Utes
would likely win with Wynn, to games that could go either way.I'm
actually cheering for the Utes to get bowl eligible. I would love to watch them
play in the New Mexico bowl. The 6-6 Utes vs 7-5 Wyoming Cowboys. That's a
game that would draw a crowd.
When your offense is dead last in your conference it definately has something to
do with your offensive coordinator.
I like Jordan Wynn but his time is at an end. Utah needs to move on.
@so calI've really enjoyed Norms creativity on offense. a little
dissapointed with the O-Line but depth and execution will come with time. Its
definitely not on Norm for the turnovers. as for the bowl situation, ill take my
chances with the U's remaining games over being stuck in the Y's Junk bowl every
year. if Utah doesn't get to one so be it but at least they played a quality
schedule. Utes 6-6>Y's 9-3. cant go undefeated every year. Go Utes!
Re: Qwest Perfected "I know coach Chow already has two really good QB's
coming in for next year so I expect the Utes to become even deeper at that
position in the future." You want to know how often I heard the same
sentiment about Chow at UCLA? It was a regular occurrence-- always "next
year." And "next year" never happened while he was there. Just
like what happened at UCLA, fingers get pointed elsewhere but at the offensive
coordinator. College game has passed the dude up. Face it.
I wish Jordan the best in his recovery. It's tough to go through two of those
within a year span.I think the Utes will be ok. Hays has better arm
strength and can also move the ball with his feet. His decision making will get
better as he get's more experience. He forced things a bit too much last week
but he also did some good things.If the Utes can get the turnovers
taken care of, they will be just fine. It also helps that their conference
schedule gets easier the second half. From what I have seen there is no reason
they shouldn't have confidence in Hays. He had a number of balls last week that
were dropped that shouldn't have been.I know coach Chow already has
two really good QB's coming in for next year so I expect the Utes to become even
deeper at that position in the future.I hope they can turn things
around this week against Pitt.Go Utes!
Of course they're going to say that. But, for my Utes brethren, enjoy watching
all 30+ bowls this bowl season without seeing your beloved team in any of them.
Any bowl that my Cougs play in will be better than your shut-out. And how about
that offensive genious in your offensive coordinator? Thought we was going to
revamp and energize the offense.
Suuuure they have "full faith." You think we was born yesterday? I bet
they'd rather have Tom Brady leading their team. Admit it, Utes! Admit it! Ha! I
My guess is that ute fans will be pleasantly surprised with Jon Hays. At least
the kid has heart and a little fire in his gut which is more than was shown by
Jake Heaps. And this from a die hard Cougar fan!