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Published: Monday, Oct. 10 2011 9:51 p.m. MDT

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JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

"Part of a pastor's job is to warn his people and others about false religions,"

Isn't it really all about degrees? Can "false" mean the same as "less true".

The LDS don't come right out and say it, but the implication is the same.

"My religion is the only true one" therefore the implication of "yours is not true".

How can you get bent out of shape by the comments? Is it because the LDS don't single out any one religion?

klove
Roy, Utah

I don't have a problem if someone doesn't agree with my faith. But what does trouble me is when someone demonizes our faith with half truths and outright lies to "protect their flocks". Our LDS history has shown this is for more than theoretical. We were threatened, beaten, driven from city to city and even killed because someone didn't agree with us.

Though the LDS faith believes it is the "only true faith", it is preached in our faith to be tolerant of all others (not that all members necessarily do this perfectly.) Because all faiths have much good in them and much that we agree with. Most of our differences stem from specific doctrines. But the teachings of Christ we adhere to just as any other good Christian.

Serenity
Manti, UT

@JoeBlow: LDS do say that theirs is the only true religion which has been restored. But they do not differentiate between religions and call them names such as cult or non-Christian. Causing animosity by saying half-truths, is not doing God's work, but rather the work of the adversary, who is the father of contention.

Any so called Christian religion can be called non-Scriptural because they attribute their beliefs to the Nicene Creed, written basically by the Catholic Church in 325 AD. This is where the Trinity was formed. Look it up. Original followers of Christ believed no such thing, and in the New Testament, it is consistently proven that Jesus and His Father are only one in words and actions; for instance, at Jesuss baptism, or the Transfiguration.

Believe what you will, and let the LDS believe what they will. Contention and animosity never solved anything and it is not pleasing to God. After all, He is the only one to whom we need to account to when we leave these mortal realms.

DWmFrancis
LEHI, UT

It's clear from Rachel's editorializations that the LDS Church still has a way to go in simply and directly conveying the essential elements of their story. For example; the statement that God told Joseph Smith "to restore the true Christian church by revising parts of the Bible and adding the Book of Mormon as a sacred text." completely ignores the significance of the restoration of the priesthood, without which Joseph Smith becomes an simply a translator of ancient records as opposed to a prophet like Moses - personally called by God to perform a great work.

Similarly, the statement that Latter Day Saints and evangelicals share core beliefs like "salvation through Christ alone and a focus on atonement and the Cross." is a "three quarter truth". A Latter Day Saint would agree that salvation is entirely thru Christ, but would add "after all we can do". References to the cross would be largely figurative, as the cross is symbolic of the atonement - no LDS meeting houses or temples are adorned by a cross.

LDS doctrine is different from "Historic Christianity" for a reason - the Great Apostasy - else where is the need of a restoration?

-df

Alpine Blue
Alpine, UT

"My Jesus is better than your Jesus!"

Pastor Robert Jeffress to the Latter-day Saints (2011)

J-TX
Allen, TX

"Huntsman, interviewed on CNN on Monday, described Jeffress as a "moron."

Not Presidential, John, but I like it!

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Hello there.......
Remember your history classes? All of the major religions have gone through much more torment, torture, pain, and "awfulness" than the LDS ever experienced. As always, so sorry to repeatedly burst your bubble of being numero uno.

KC Mormon
Edgerton, KS

DWmFrancis
As members of the LDS Church we often put to much of our emphasis on the "after all we can do" and not enough on the we are saved by Jesus Christ. I like to look at it like a hurricane warning the Salvation through Jesus is the hurricane warning that we get for days and weeks ahead of time and the "after all we can do" is us actually listening and getting out of the way. As long as we simply do some basic things we are covered by the grace (or warning) of Jesus. This I have found is really not very different from most "Traditional Christians" other than wording. Yes some completely remove anything we can do in their words but in their descriptions it is still there. I think Joseph Smith put things best in "the Answer" when he was responding to W.W. Phelps request to rejoin the Church when describing the Celestial Kingdom
These are they that came out of Apollo's and Paul;
For Cephas and Jesus, in all kinds of hope;
For Enoch and Moses, and Peter, and John;
For Luther and Calvin, and even the Pope.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Why is Jeffress attacking only Romney?

I mean, you do notice that Jeffress is only attacking Romney, don't you? Why not attack Huntsman, too?

It's because Romney is the leader in the polls. And that's virutally EVERY poll. Jeffress and his crowd know that Romney has a very real chance of winning in 2012 and it scares the heck out of them.

Alpine Blue
Alpine, UT

@ Guy with a Brain

Of course Romney scares the heck out of his Republican cronies. It is same with the Dems as well as we see every evening on NBC Nightly News. Love to watch Chuck Todd gleefully report any and every negative report on Romney. No doubt it will get very interesting IF Romney becomes the candidate against Obama the incumbent. Assuming that it will get downright ugly for those of us who share Romney's religious affiliation. We probably need to buckle up tight.

mightymite
DRAPER, UT

Get over it mormons. Believe what you may and take others opinions with a grain of salt. Mormons are too sensitive; it shows their own beliefs are on very shakey ground internaly to the church and eternaly when you see how they react within themselves and to others when controversy comes to the table.

Raeann Peck
Salt Lake City, UT

At the end of the day, only God discerns the hearts those who are called by Christ's name. The only opinion that counts is His. In the meantime, we wade through the paradox of intolerance. What else is new under the sun?

alien236
LOGAN, UT

@no fit in SG: Most of the other religions' torment, torture, pain, and "awfulness" didn't take place illegally in the United States of America which, last time I checked, was supposed to be a haven of religious freedom and tolerance. Why do you feel the need to trivialize our ancestors' very real suffering as a desire to be "numero uno"? Would you say exploited Chinese workers deserve no sympathy because their country isn't as bad as Afghanistan?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

If you don't want people to disagree with your belief's...

don't make them open, to the public.

Oh. Wait. I didn't make a SHINING statement of support for the LDS faith.

This comment will probably be denied.

Razzle2
Bluffdale, UT

Of all the oddities of Mormonism, it is humorous to me the reasons the few vocal Evangelicals are calling it a cult: God and Jesus and not the same being, and the non-official quote, "As God is man may become, as man is God once was."

Curious intelligent people that probe for more information find the cult claims to be moronic.

megen
Truth or Consequences, NM

evangelicals have a problem with Gospel Principles chapter 47 where it states that exalten man will become a god (it does not read become like God, it says become a god). Until last year, Gospel Principles chapter 47 went as far as to say that exalted man would have spirit children who would have the same relationship with him (the exalted man) that we have with our Heavenly Father. All Christian denominations have a problem with man becoming diety as Isaiah 43:10 says "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

KC Mormon
Edgerton, KS

megen
You said "All Christian denominations have a problem with man becoming diety" yet it found in the writings of many of the early Fathers of "Traditional Christianity"
"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God"-Saint Athanasios
"...For thou hast become God;..."-Hippolytus
"But if thou art desirous of also becoming a god...."-Hyppolytus
"we should flee with all our power from being man and make hast to become gods"-Origen
Just to name a few

megen
Truth or Consequences, NM

KC- I, as a Christian, follow the teachings of the Bible, not the teachings of Saint Althanasios, Hippolytus, Origen, ect...

KC Mormon
Edgerton, KS

megen
Than what about the words of Jesus? He clearly states that we can become gods in John Chapter 10:33-35. He was about to be stoned when he asked for what was he being stoned
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
I know the common "traditional Christian" answer that he was quoting Psalms and it means judges but judges simply does not work in Jesus context. If you put judges in place of gods Juses ends up being stones because it does not support his calling himself the Son of God. Jesus words only work if the context is infact gods. So by the Bible as well as the early Church teachings Theosis is a core teaching of Christianity that has been removed by "Historical Christianity".

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Serenity
"Any so called Christian religion can be called non-Scriptural because they attribute their beliefs to the Nicene Creed, written basically by the Catholic Church in 325 AD. This is where the Trinity was formed. Look it up."

You literally just said other Christians are non-scriptural when criticizing other churches who call Mormons non-Christian.

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