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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 11 2011 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"The other question is where were the defenders of America's liberties following this bigoted attack?"

Romney has been bashing them for months now, they're called Democrats. Why would they all of a sudden defend him after he's been bashing them ruthlessly without any reason?

Those who are the biggest critics of Mormons? Romney's own GOP. This is exactly why he cannot win as a repub. The radical and crazy right, whose base is the bible belt south, will never allow a Mormon to be the GOP's candidate for the Presidency.

Romney would have a better chance campaigning as the true Democrat that he is.

ljeppson
Salt Lake City, UT

A cult graduates to a religion when it gets political power. All religions are cults. Settling that, what people want to know about Romney is whether there will be a hot line, so to speak, between President Monson's office and the Oval Office. The broader question deals with how much wiggle room Romney will have in implementing policy when the LDS church has taken a position on it. I don't think I've heard straight up answers yet.

Timj
South Jordan, UT

Jon Huntsman called the cult guy a "moron."

Anderson Cooper did a pretty decent interview with the guy, attacking him for his views. Fox News? They just enabled him.

If you're looking for defenders of Mormonism, right now you want to look to the middle and left (Huntsman and CNN). The right panders to the South, many of whom regard Mormons as a cult.

Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

"Only non-Mormon fellow presidential candidate Rick Santorum strongly defended Romney's right to worship"

That simply isn't true. Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich both defended Romney's right to worship, along with Huntsman of course, and then said there were more important things to talk about. Why should they be required to say any more than that? I suspect there are some who would not be satisfied unless the other candidates began campaigning for Romney.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Thirty or so years ago Republican strategists concluded that the politicizing Evangelical Christians would help the party, so they did. They rallied the fundamentalists and told them that GOP stood for "God's Own Party."

Now their monster has broken free and is laying waste to the political landscape. The GOP mullahs are only too happy to use religion as a political bludgeon.

The party of Reagan, Eisenhower, even Goldwater, is no more. Those three stalwart conservatives would be booed out of any "values voters summit" on the basis of their beliefs and accomplishments. Heaven help them if they showed up at a Utah state GOP convention.

Republicans, you made this mess, don't expect anyone else to clean it up.

Brett
Marietta, GA

Santorum was not the only one who defended Romney, nearly all media outlets blasted Jeffress.

Though I doubt Romney needed any defense at all. I am sure he is secure in his beliefs.

I wasn't offended (I chose not to be offended) by what Jeffress said. I just learned that I don't really value what he has to offer.

isrred
Logan, UT

"The other question is where were the defenders of America's liberties following this bigoted attack? Fellow Mormons? "

The strongest defenders have been DEMOCRATS. Utah Democrats have been on national television and have released several statements against the mormon-phobia of the right wing.

Voting against (or for) someone simply based on their religion is lazy.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I find it ironic that Mormons complain about religion being used as a political tool when they themselves engage in the same practice. How many times have we heard in this state that you cannot be a good member of the church and be a Democrat? There is much more to be said on this with other actions and speeches, but bringing religion into politics is not a good thing and is contrary to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers. Yet Mormons do it also when it is politically expedient.

Sutton
Cedar City, UT

What a bunch of hypocrites conservatives are...

It's perfectly, "OK" for them to degrade Obama's religion by hatefully calling him a, "Muslim" (As if being a Muslim is somehow, "evil" and "wrong")... but now that the shoe is on the other foot we all need to be, "civil"????

I haven't heard one word from you all condemning that... so why should we all feel bad when it is one of yours being malign viciously?

Sorry... but as long as Obama is a, "Muslim" then Romney is a, "Cultist"... You can't have it both ways.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"Shouldn't all Americans passionately object to an attack on any of our precious American freedoms?"

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Absolutely. Now, where were the Mormons when the freedoms of GKBT Americans were under attack by Prop-8 and Amendment-3? Oh, yeah. They were leading the charge and spearheading these attacks on our freedoms.

You reap what you sow.

"First they came for the..."

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: The Real Maverick | 12:07 a.m. Oct. 11, 2011
"Romney has been bashing them for months now, they're called Democrats"

Obama made a bigoted suggestion to the GOP that They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back. His problem now is that any candidate that is still breathing will beat him in 2012. The only question now is whether Obama will even get the Democratic presidential nomination to run in 2012.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Esquire | 7:24 a.m" I have never heard " that you cannot be a good member of the church and be a Democrat." I have heard that you cannot fully accept the LDS doctrine and be a liberal, and that is easily proven.

Another thing you forget is the simple fact that people want somebody who reflects their values, and who better than a member of their own church. Think about it, could a devout Muslim fully represent a group of athiests?

isrred
Logan, UT

"Another thing you forget is the simple fact that people want somebody who reflects their values, and who better than a member of their own church."

So I suppose you plan on supporting Harry Reid?

Mitt Romney, Jason Chaffetz, Chris Buttars, et al all share the same LDS faith but their political views do not represent a large number of Latter-day Saints

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ RedShirt, you need to get out more. Decades of experience in politics in Utah, I've heard it plenty. It really started with the rise of the new right - particularly the advent of Orrin Hatch, Reagan and the ERA. And also, I could make the same argument that you can't be a good conservative and accept LDS doctrine. What this amounts to is your definition of LDS doctrine, not the reality of LDS doctrine.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Sutton,

Some may be hypocrites, but not all. I know many conservatives who were very dismayed at the attacks on Pres. Obama's religion.

First, there is no reasonable way to interpret Pres. Obama's life as other than Christian and there is zero credible evidence that he is a Muslim.

Second, even if another candidate were to emerge who was a Muslim (or of some other religion - too many to name), that should not be reason to exclude him or her from office.

The Founding Fathers were adamant that there be no religious test. We should be similarly adamant.

Murray1
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

Where has common decency, respect and civility to your fellow man gone these days?? And why so much vitriol over how a man/woman/child decides to worship as long as their belief system is not harmful to another? Where there was once tolerance, there now is hatred (Westboro Baptists, etc.). And what gives anyone the right to say, "You and your religion are NOT Christian"? Ok, so you have your opinions, and feel strongly about YOUR beliefs. Reverse the role and ask yourself how you would feel/react if a certain religious group decided to attack you personally by telling you, oh, by the way, you're not a Christian?

I just don't get how anyone professing to be a true follower of Jesus Christ can honestly say such a thing. How about live and let live and let God be the Judge, which is how most Christians believe it will work out in the end anyway.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Blame Sesame Street. They taught us a song about "one of these things is not like the other". Its obvious that Mormons are different from other Christians. One can celebrate the difference, or shun from the spotlight when it shines upon you.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Esquire | 8:44 a.m." I can give you examples of people who regularly post on these boards about how their liberalism is in direct conflict with LDS doctrine if you want.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

Just so I understand.

It is ok to say that

"all other churches are "wrong," all their creeds an "abomination," and all who profess them are "corrupt"

As long as you don't say they are not Christian or call them a cult?

Do I have that right?

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Well, if People will wolf down stale popcorn out of habit while listening to Glenn Beck, they'll believe anything anyone says. Rush Limbaugh would ask, is Capitalism a Religion?. Libertarians? Tea Partiers?. Then he would say, "with all of the discussion on Reverend Robert Jeffress's statement that Mormonism is a cult, I agree with him. Mormonism fits the definition of a cult". According to the Random House dictionary, a "cult" is a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies, a group or false sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc; a religion or sect considered to be, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader; the members of such a religion or sect. Let us break down each section of the definition of a cult, as it relates to the religion of Mormonism: "A particular system of religious worship, exp. With reference to its rites and ceremonies": Mitt Romney has participated in the secret Mormon Temple ceremonies throughout most of his life. THAT'S HOW Rush would put it.

ONLY Jesus Christ can honestly say such a thing.

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