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Published: Monday, Oct. 10 2011 3:39 p.m. MDT

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Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Bachmann, Cain evade Mormon questions as race evolves' - Title

Please...

*'Michele Bachmann's pastor on Mormonism' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar - DSNews - 09/06/11

*'President Obama's purported 'weird'-Mormon strategy against Mitt Romney will backfire, pundits say' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 08/10/11

with Bachmann & Obama saying nothing about Romney's faith...

The Deseret News has made more of an issue about Romney's faith, than his oppenents.

Richard Saunders
Provo, UT

Not all candidates have dodged the issue like Cain and Bachmann. Give some credit to Ron Paul, who defended Romney on the issue, and was even more explicit 4 years ago when the issue was brought up in the campaign:

"The recent attacks and insinuations, both direct and subtle, that Gov. Romney may be less fit to serve as president of our United States because of his faith fly in the face of everything America stands for. Gov. Romney should be judged fairly, on his record and his character, not on the church he attends.
-Ron Paul

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

*'Polls: Mormonism won't hurt Mitt Romney like Perry might' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 09/06/11

Oh.

I apologize.

Should people not point out the heavy partisan rhetoric of the Deseret News when it comes to covering Mitt Romney?

-Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy, scholar says
-Coverage of Mormonism in campaigns sometimes unfair to evangelicals too
-Fox News host: Romney not Christian
-Jon Huntsman Jr. stands by his Mormon religion
-Huffington Post: Pawlenty video aimed at Mormon faith of Romney and Huntsman
-Mormon official challenges 'cult' designation
-The Economist and other media consider why Mormonism carries agitation among many
-LDS reporter who worked on Newsweek's 'Mormon Moment' story defends controversial cover
-Controversial Mormon Newsweek sold out
-'Mormons Rock!' says Newsweek cover story about LDS Church, Mitt Romney
-Huntsman says his Mormon church membership is 'tough to define'
-How defining were Jon Huntsman's comments on his Mormonism?
-'I am Mormon,' Huntsman tells 'Good Morning America'
-Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman Jr. compete in Mormon primary
-Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman Jr. mull Mormon dilemma
-Poll: Mormon church membership negative for Huntsman, Romney
-Romney's religion unknown to most

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

Got to love Ron Paul. He may be for legalizing marijuana, which I'm not against while many conservatives are, but he's also for a lot of other logical things like civility, peace, and freedom. Some of the 'questionable' things he recommends may just work out differently than many think.

Many thing legalizing drugs (or some of them) is an absolute outrage that will ruin this country. Some can say that legalizing them makes it less viable to make a living selling drugs illegally on the streets, resulting in less kids in gangs and on the streets AND more tax revenue from it's legal use. Just a theory but who knows?

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

This is something that all the other campaigns are hoping they can use against Romney.

ClarkKent
Bountiful, Utah

Its some mormons and the mormon owned press that are making a mountain out of a molehill here. Why should ANY candidate be expected to make any statement whatsoever about another candidate's religion -- yet the DN choses to use the word "EVADE" in the title of the article. I suppose Romney is EVADING making statements about all other candidates' religious affiliations?

Kami
Bountiful, Utah

When are so many LDS going to stop looking for reasons to be victims? This is the LDS culture that I chose to ignore that I spoke about in another post. I am active LDS, but I am so sick and tired of some mormons finding reasons to be victimes! Offense is a choice; stop making it. Do you turn over every stone you encounter so that you can continue to feel victimized by society at large? I am so tired of this!

The Vanka
Provo, UT

Kami,

Thank you. Those of us who are not Mormons are tired of it, too!

We are tired of being accused of "anti-Mormon hate-speech" if we disagree with the Church or one of its prominent members.

We are tired of being told we are "insincere" and lacking in "real intent" when we don't get the same ("right") answer to Moroni's challenge.

We are tired of being left out of the neighborhood cliques because we aren't allowed to serve in quorum presidencies and bishoprics with all the Mormons and their buddies.

We are tired of hearing our children cry because the Mormon kids are "choosing their friends carefully" by NOT choosing to be friends with the kids whose father is an atheist.

We are tired of seeing politics in Utah manipulated and controlled behind the scenes, and the voting bloc of Mormons determining how life will be for everybody in this state - especially on Sundays when I can't even get a bottle of cooking wine to use making dinner.

We are tired of being invisible in this state. We are tired of nobody listening when we say we are tired. We are tired of being treated like enemies.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Geez Vanka, you seem as judgmental against Mormons as you claim they are against others...just calling it like I see it.

Summer
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't know of one Mormon that really cares personally what some evangelicals think of us. We just don't like misrepresentation and prefer to set the record straight as we see it.

peter
Alpine, UT

It should be obvious to every reader that the DN is strongly anti-Mormon because they allow people like "Pagan" to post comments.

JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt
Beverly Hills, CA

The reason why Bachmann and Cain and other GOP candidates are evading the question is they are hiding their true feelings.

Where there is smoke there is fire, they are affiliated with pastors who have publicly stated the LDS Church is a cult.

Stating merely that the LDS Church is "not a cult" is hardly a rebuke on allowing this kind of poisonous rhetoric to enter into this political race but the problem here is that they want this to drag down Romney and Huntsman or else they would denounce this kind of attack all together.

Jonathan Eddy
Payson, UT

Fearmongering and misinformation breeds hatred. Meanwhile, Mormons that live their religion quietly and without fanfare go about doing good while a new world of enamored believers join their ranks. Doesn't sound like much of a cult to me. Sounds more like people trying to live the Golden Rule.

Duh
west jordan, ut

@The Vanka | 5:48 p.m. Oct. 10, 2011

You have valid points, I will not disagree because even I see that sometimes and I am an active Mormon, but don't think that all Mormons are that way either. Those type are a minority. Most of us are good abiding citizens who participate in the political process voting for our ideas and principles. Like any political process, the majority is going to rule. I have many friends who are non-LDS and I never try to force my way of living or thinking on them. I once lived in New York City. I did not like their liberal ways, I did not like the crowded city, I did not like the looseness of their ways, it was not conducive to my way of living so, I moved here to Utah. It is as simple as that. If you choose to live in Utah, then unfortunately you are going to run into what you are describing in your blog. When the Mormons become the minority then I am sure some things will change. It is the same for any religion, most just choose to ignore it.

A1994
Centerville, UT

I'm not offended as a Mormon. I'm offended as one who hates to see people try to insult other people's intelligence.

I honestly don't care what some 'pastor' down in Texas thinks about my religion. The problem I have is when ignorance is given a place of prominence. To say that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints DON'T believe in Christ and their savior is ridiculous, particularly when the name of the church has his name in it.

As a Mormon, I really don't care what the religion the President chooses to follow as long as it promotes liberty and law. The LDS church does that along with most churches.

BobP
Port Alice, B.C.

Should people not point out the biased and heavy rhetoric the some who have left the LDS church will not leave it alone.

The DN, like any newspaper can have its own policies.

LValfre
CHICAGO, IL

@A1994,

"To say that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints DON'T believe in Christ and their savior is ridiculous, particularly when the name of the church has his name in it"

They definitely believe in Christ. However, using it in the name of the Church is a double bladed sword. Christ wasn't always in the church name ... there were several changes to the name until it was finalized. Bringing Christ into the church name was done to help avoid what's happening now ... people thinking LDS isn't Christian.

I think LDS is definitely Christian, although a side-shoot of it. Christ is only in its name to defend that though. Personally, I don't think they would have minded calling the church something along the lines of Joseph Smith or BYU if it wasn't for all the negative flack they received and how hard they've tried to make LDS more Christian-like and mainstream.

bricha
lehi, ut

ClarkKent: While I agree the Deseret News covers this topic more than it is covered nationally, I disagree that this paper is the only one covering this issue. I have read articles about Romney and his religion on every major newspaper. Especially since this last weekend.

activ2004
Clearfield, UT

I digress...

"Anyone who comes to know the man Mormon, through the reading and pondering of his words, anyone who reads this precious trove of history which was assembled and preserved in large measure by him, will come to know that Mormon is not a word of disrepute, but that it represents the greatest goodthat good which is of God. It was the modern translator of this ancient record who declared that through reading it a man would come closer to God than through the reading of any other book". Mormon Should Mean, "More Good", Pres Gordon B. Hinckley LDS Ensign Oct. 1990.

I was under the impression that the American civil rights movement was progressively inclusive, and yet almost 6 decades later we are witnessing the theological spinelessness of those who are intellectually apathetic to the principles that the United States was founded upon and those who would fight to the death protecting these sacred principles, and they are guilty of exposing the tragic contradiction that in my estimation disqualifies them to be the commander-in-chief of this ever increasing temporal/spiritual military.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Since you didn't post my last one, the best defense is a good offense. By the way, Tea Partyers, Ronald Reagan was a flip flopper.

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