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Published: Monday, Oct. 10 2011 8:00 a.m. MDT

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Tooele, UT

Re: "Collective bargaining is just that, a two-sided agreement."

Yeah -- problem is, there are three sides.

Bargaining with government unions is not really collective bargaining, it's collusive bargaining. Suggesting that senior educators will effectively represent the interests taxpayers, when negotiating with a union they once belonged to themselves is lunacy.

Collusive bargaining -- bargaining with unions representing government employees -- leaves taxpayers completely out in the cold, without even a seat at the table, and should be outlawed.

Eureka, UT

This article says a lot more about the bias of the Deseret News then it does about education in Utah since students can go to any school they want to in or out of the school district they live in.

We have to ask ourselves if we let extremists destroy our public schools, what will we be left with? It's time we stop attacking our teachers and our public schools and start building them up again instead of tearing them down because if they are torn down, we will all suffer.

Allen, TX

Wow, in other states parents cheat the system to give their kids an EDUCATION?

Down here they only cheat to put their kids in a winning FOOTBALL program!

Think I'm kidding? Google Southlake Carroll HS, which had a kid with a permanent address in OK whose mom rented an apartment down here so he could play for Carroll. They got busted. Turns out, the reason they ended up in OK before Texas was that they went there pulling the same scam, with a permanent address in a third state...

USS Enterprise, UT

To "Kami | 9:46 a.m." you are wrong. Lets just take a look at Davis County, where you live. The schools in Bountiful are quite good, and have a lot of expensive homes in the area. The schools in West Point struggle, and have a lot of small homes in the area. The interesting thing that you overlook is the fact that the funding per pupil in Bountiful is the same as the funding in West Point. So, since funding is the same, the argument about funding is not valid. So, if funding is the the reason for the difference, what is?

Softball Dad
Woods Cross, UT

I agree that if caught the "perpetrators" should be sent on their way. But to be arrested? That to me is outrageous. If they want to check addresses, no problem. To be arrested and then compelled to compensate the district is way over the line.

Mom of ten

To Lane Myer: You asked, "Why is this news in Utah? What is the DN's objective in running this?"

I believe the answer is that not all who read DN live in Utah. The paper is read by many people from other states, like me. It is nice to see, once in awhile, news that happens outside Utah.


Ummm so? Aren't I paying taxes in my district? I paid hundreds of dollars in fees in the last three years to my son's junior high, because so many people in that districtcan't afford the fees. I see no problem, one way or another I'm paying for someone's public school education... and will pay long after I have no children in school.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

@ Midwest Mom

"What's with the constant, one-sided attack against public education by the Deseret News? Yesterday it was promoting Fran Tarkenton's horrid WSJ opinion piece."

They are just telling the truth.

Nobody can say that the public schools have been a success. They have failed miserably.


Most schools where I live are funded according to attendance, the more average daily attendance the higher the revenue, and that funding comes from the state. School districts compete for students and hence funding.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

@Midwest Mom

"What nonsense! Administration has 3 years to evaluate teachers and fire them without reason. After the 3 years, a teacher can be fired for "just cause" only. If a teacher is not performing up to standard, then fire them. It happens all the time."

Absolutely not true. Less than one in a thousand teachers are ever forced out of the profession. One if fifty doctors will lose their license to practice medicine.

It is not uncommon to hear of teachers being paid for years after being fired, awaiting the results of the endless court battles. Some times they can't even fire a teacher for sexual misconduct with a student.

My father is a retired teacher and has seen many teachers who simply stopped working after they got tenure.

terra nova
Park City, UT

Local control is the answer. That doesn't mean putting all the power in the Federal basket. It doesn't mean putting it at the State level either. It doesn't even mean giving it to the individual school district. It means giving it to the parents.

Arresting a parent for trying to get the best "free" education available is as sick as it is sad. It is clear evidence of a system begging for something more than change, it begs for revolution.

It is good that Utah is an open-enrollment state. Maybe we need to go one step further and give parents the ability to vote with their vouchers. That's change that will make "edu-crats" sit up and take notice. They will hate it, but they will notice... and the system will finally become accountable.

Jeanie b.
Orem, UT

In defense of public education -

At our school recently we had a visiting principal and other educators from a South American country. They were so impressed at the teaching that was going on in our school, that our students are treated with respect and teachers really care about them as individuals and want them to be successful.

Is "the system" perfect? No, but it is doing better than we think! Let's all calm the negativity down.

Salt Lake City, Utah

Rock, just curious do you have any credible statistical sources for your statement of 1 in 50 doctors and 1 in 1000 teachers? Do you have any credible evidence that teachers stop working after tenure other than what your dad told you? Are their teachers out there that are not working hard every day? Sure. Are their thousands of them? No. I would challenge you to look at your local school districts policy manual. Teachers with more than three years in every district in this state can be fired. All that is required is an attempt to re mediate. If that fails they can be fired. Need not take more than a year. Many administrators don't have the stomach for it. Teaching is like any profession most teachers do a good job, a few do a great job, and some do a poor job.

Terrie Bittner
Warminster, PA

Have you ever driven around and looked at schools in the inner-city? I intentionally transferred my children to one for a while before giving up and homeschooling. Ugly schools, insufficient supplies, inexperienced teachers...In some schools, those children don't have books or paper, while the wealthy children get computers, football teams, and lovely schools, plus the best teachers. We make sure the poor kids stay poor this way. Some children I worked with complained their whole world was ugly, even school. They just wanted to be somewhere pretty once in a while. Parents should be rewarded, not punished, for trying to give their children a chance. You can't fix the schools by staying in them--I tried. I couldn't change anything that mattered. I joined school site council and fought hard. At some point, the education has to come first.

Since a homeless person has no address, how could she be in the wrong school? Should her children not be allowed in school at all since she has no address? That poor family had enough to worry about without a rich judge "making an example" of her. (What example? Homeless not welcome?)

Austin, TX

The school in the area the student lives should be paying for students having to go somewhere else to get a good education. they're the ones receiving the property taxes.

Mcallen, TX

Some comments & questions:

1. A government which sponsores education, can use it as a primary mean of controlling its country's thought and thinking process.
2. With the use of standardized testing, why are our students acountable to the state and feds.
3. Why in a free country, are our children forced to attend school? Let localities take care of their education.
4. Education is important, but why the mandatory attendence? The system is a big scam.

Peter Coyotl
West Jordan, UT

The Utah Republican wrote:

"Peter Coyotl, your story doesn't ring true. If your child was left unattended in a darkened room for 40 minutes, an administrative level complaint in the Jordan District would have resulted in some drastic action..."

You write of a specific incident you know nothing about. The teacher admitted in a e-mail sent to me that it was my son's fault for not eating lunch because he failed to understand an assignment. She later told the principal, Rebecca Gerber of Westvale, that she was unaware that my son was left alone in a darken room. She lied to save her job.

The superintendent over Westvale, Bevan Wasden, said that any discipline was a personnel matter and that I would never know what it was.

This summer I sent numerous e-mails to the principal of Terre Linda, where my son was denied enrollment despite their school having the lowest student-teacher ratio in West JOrdan for my son' grade.

Neither would ever respond to my queries.

I am sent grama requests in the last month, and they too have been ignored.

I am not a liar, but you are one who quickly jumps to conclusions.

Peter Coyotl
West Jordan, UT

to the moderator:

I would hope that you would allow my last comment sent on 10/13/2011 at around 6:45.

I was basically called a liar. What I wrote in my comment was true. It would take 5,000 words to fully explain what happened to my son.

His 1st grade teacher told us, his parents, that she thought that he had ADHD and was in need of medication. I

I learned later that the teacher would discipline my son for not understanding assignments. It was not that he could not understand. His mind easily wandered.

I asked my son why he did not ask his teacher for clarification. He answered that she would yell at him when he did not understand. He was frightened of her reaction.

Because he did not complete an assignment, he was not allowed to join his classmates for lunch.

His classmates, the lunch lady, and later his teacher, verified that he did not eat lunch. His classmates told me that he satalone in the dark room.

Superintendent Wasden is fully aware of this. He did nothing.

I still have the e-mail where she admits it. It was sent from school.

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