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Published: Monday, Oct. 10 2011 11:06 p.m. MDT

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Brian
Wasilla, AK

What is really clear in this article is that Richard Mouw is a Christian.

On the other hand
Spanish Fork, UT

Thank you, Dr. Mouw.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

Intereting how even this Evangelical leader maintains that the LDS teachings may not hold true to "His" definition of "Historical Christianity".

What does this mean?

Are Protestants holdidng true to an even older version of Historical Christianity, even the Catholic Church? Hardly.

The Protestant reformation took nearly 1500 years to come about, which is the Evangelicals version of Christianity.

They (Protestants & Catholics) however have all agreed on the "Creedal" doctrine of the Godhead, but still differ greatly on most other issues.

The LDS define themselves as 1st Century Christians, in other words "Pre-Nicene Creed".

Where as Catholics and Protestants subscribe to a "Post-Nicene Creed" or a 4th Century definition of the Godhead, dating from 325 AD.

a serious man
Rexburg, ID

As an active LDS, I say to my fellow LDS, stop getting offended when people say we aren't Christians. "Cult" is indeed a petty insult, but saying we aren't Christians is not, necessarily. The question of Mormonism's place in Christianity is actually complicated, and by many definitions we aren't Christians, if you define Christianity as a historical tradition and a body of accepted beliefs. Mouw is correct here in many ways.

Mormonism is to Christianity as early Christianity was to Judaism. Similar in many respects, but different enough to constitute a new religious tradition. Let's embrace that heritage instead of clamoring to be part of the Christian masses.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Bluto
[The LDS define themselves as 1st Century Christians, in other words "Pre-Nicene Creed".

Where as Catholics and Protestants subscribe to a "Post-Nicene Creed" or a 4th Century definition of the Godhead, dating from 325 AD. ]

Catholics and Protestants believe the Nicene Creed was not something new but rather just a writing of something they believed was always the case.

majmajor
Layton, UT

Great article.

Mr. Mouw is an outstanding gentleman. This country needs more of his example of civility and respect.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

We can argue back and forth on this like weasely injury lawyers but the fact is if you want to know if someone is a christian just ask 'em. It's like asking someone if they're a good driver. Of course they are. They may prove otherwise but that doesn't matter. It's about what they think they are, and especially in religion they need offer no argument beyond that.

Montana Mormon
Miles City, MT

Richard Mouw, you are a class act. Thank you. I find your example worthy of emulating as a genuine follower of Christ and I hope I can be as classy as a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Sometimes I fall short, much to my chagrin.

Europe
Topeno, Finland

Thanks for doing a Christian deed. I sincerely hope that these other "christian" ministers would follow.

As to who is, or isn't a Christian, THE LORD knows who follows Him, or not.

I dare say, that most of the world's "christians" do not even know what it really means.

Ever since joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in 1967, I have been a Christian who follows my Savior Jesus Christ in whome I have the utmost faith and whose sacrifice and atonement are the saving elements in my today and eternities. No-one else! and it does not matter who tries to put words in my mouth, that LDS do not believe that ... well my 42 years in the Church has been the same never changing GOSPEL. If someone chooses not to call me a Christian and follower of Jesus Christ - I don't care, because I know that the Savior knows, and so do I.

Having said that... I have also the highest regard and respect for others and their faiths. I hope you find such peace in your's as I do in mine.

Instead of this ridiculous arguing - let's just love one another.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

If you don't want to include a person or a group under a certain definition (Christian, Conservative, American, etc., take your pick..) all you have to do is to define the term in such a way as to exclude them. Then you can point your finger at them and say "You are not a Christian" (by your definition of course).

It doesn't matter if 90% of the rest of us do not agree with your narrow definition, you feel justified in calling them names and telling everyone who will listen that they are "not us".

Just be very careful or your narrow definition may also exclude yourself or some of your friends who you still wanted to be in the "in crowd".

Kami
Bountiful, Utah

As an active member of the LDS church, I would argue that we are not a cult and are indeed Christian. However, in some areas, particularly in densely populated LDS areas, there is a very dominant LDS culture that outsiders could certainly look upon as cultish. Personally, I ignore the LDS culture as much as possible and pay attention to only the religious aspect of what it means to be LDS.

Hawkyo
SYRACUSE, UT

Finally an intelligent response from a man who actually has taken the time to study and understand a differing point of view. Thank you!

Jeff in NC
CASTLE HAYNE, NC

@majmajor: The mormon church can use Mr. Mouw's example right away. For instance, why can't the Mormon church simply take a position of disagreement about gay marriage and then defer to civililty and respect?

johnnylingo62
Gray, TN

Thank you Dr. Mouw! The name "Christian" is supposed to mean "someone who follows Christ's teachings". Everything else is symantics. Are you "more Christian" than someone else is hardly relevant in this type of global dialogue. If you are in a Muslim world, they don't differentiate if you're Mormon, or Catholic or Protestant - they're going to lump us all together as Christian - followers of Christ.
the term "cult" is petty at best when you try to lump 14+million people from around the world from all walks of life, races, languages, and backgrounds. There is no fence or high wall around the LDS church to keep people In or keep people Out. Freedom of Choice, Free Agency to join or not is all open - hardly the definition as a cult.

Richie
Saint George, UT

Thank you Dr. Mouw. Jeffress and his buddies that call us a cult are the best friends Obama has.

KM
Cedar Hills, UT

I believe that the LDS church is a cult...A cult of "Christianity!"

DRay
Roy, UT

The "fruits" of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints" prove what it is. It seems many evangelical ministers are jealously guarding, not their flocks so much as their income. Remember LDS serve voluntarily, without pay, save for a few General Authorities who are supported as they need it, but not in a lavish lifestyle. We have freely received, and freely give...it is not a vocation, our sharing of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not for sale, or financial gain. How many "mainstream" Christian churches can say that?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

All this 'cult' talk is really a shame.

*'Fox News host: Romney not Christian' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 07/17/11

As, just a four months ago:

*'Trump on Obama's Birth Certificate: 'Maybe It Says He's a Muslim' - Fox Nation - 03/30/11

*'Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows' - By Lauren Green - 08/19/10 - Fox News

While the truth was:

*'Obamas to attend church for Easter Sunday' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews - 04/11/09

Many are trying to 'blame Obama' for this, when it was Republican presidental nominee Rick Perry's pastor who struck this chord.

Now, Rick Perry has distanced himself from that pastor, but I have to ask...

how do Mitt Romney's supporters feel, now that Mitt is getting some of the same treatment they possibly supported when it was done...

to Obama?

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

Article quote: "Those of us who have made the effort to engage Mormons in friendly and sustained give-and-take conversations have come to see them as good citizens whose life of faith often exhibits qualities that are worthy of the Christian label, even as we continue to engage in friendly arguments with them about crucial theological issues," Mouw concluded. "Mitt Romney deserves what every politician running for office deserves: a careful examination of his views on policy and his philosophy of government. But he does not deserve to be labeled a cultist."

Don't the scriptures say (paraphrasing here) that if we stand up for Christ, and by extension, Christ-like behavior, that at the last day that Christ will then stand up for us?

Why, yes. Yes, they do.

Thank you, Dr. Mouw, for standing up for Christ.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

JoeCapitalist2 | 9:50 a.m. Oct. 10, 2011
Orem, UT
If you don't want to include a person or a group under a certain definition (Christian, Conservative, American, etc., take your pick..) all you have to do is to define the term in such a way as to exclude them. Then you can point your finger at them and say "You are not a Christian" (by your definition of course).

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Is that kind of like when the "Limbaugh, Hannity & Beck" followers call those of us on the left -
Not a real American,
and
Not a real Patriot?

I know I've been called
"Not a REAL Mormon"
many times before by those same people here on the DN comment boards.

I wonder where they hear garbage like that from?

Good call JoeCapitalist2.

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