Lets keep things in perspective:Heaps vs SEC Old Miss and wins by a
point.Heaps vs. Big 12 Texas and loses by a point.Heaps vs.
Defending C-USA Champins and wins by 7.Cant justify the Utah
game.Cant justify the Utah St. gameNow lets look at NelsonHe did good vs a seller dweller in the WAC, a conference below the MWC.
(San Jose St.)How will Nelson look against Pac 12 1-4 vs. Oregon St.
We beat Oregon St. by 20 points the las time we played them. Our series is 4
wins and 5 loses.Vs. Idaho State bottom of the WAC Oh Hum.How will Nelson look vs TCU?What about New Mexico State, another
celler dweller of the WAC.What about Hawaii??? (WAC good team. Wac
a conference below the MWC,Comparing one QB vs quality teams vs
another QB vs celler dwellers is not an intelligent comparison.
I am first to admit, that I was 100% in the camp of Jacob Heaps at the start of
last year season.It blew my mind that we gave equal time to Nelson Riley.
That meant that each of the two quarterbacks only got half of the reps in all
the practices, that they should have had with the starters. That meant that all
the opposing teams that gave their starter QB 100% of the reps with the starters
had a great advantage over us. The games that followed proved it.When both QBs were playing, they could never get in rhythem. The receivers
could not get use to the changing QB rotations and they failed miserably at
attempting to catch the ball.This year, I have changed somewhat. I
have given up on the idea that we know how to coach5 star players, be it
Ben Olsen or Jacob Heaps. I can now see that under the circumstances,Nelson Riley is the QB to finish this season.I can not understand
how we can be so stupid as to put Jacob Heaps down in every article written
about the comparisons of our two QBs.
The heat Heaps is enjoying is the result of his big mouth, this is a classic
blunder of over promising and under delivering. Can't take the heat
get out of the kitchen, the kitchen you created.
Since the BYU defense cant effectively put any pressure on the opposing
quarterback, the key to racking up yards and points against them is to throw to
any receiver defended by Eason...guaranteed completion or at least a pass
interference call. Then it becomes a question of who ever scores the most
points, wins. Unfortunately, the BYU offense is terrible, with or without Heaps
or Nelson. Oregon State has good coaching and will exploit this weakness to no
end...OSO can be a dangerous team.
@ idablu,Read my post again. I'm referring to the church leaders'
decisions, not any sports leadership at BYU, like Tom or Bronco.So,
it's NOT just football we're talking here. It's what the Church wants for its
exposure, as so often stated about why BYU went independent in the first
place.Many posters have been specifically mentioning the Church
leadership in their questioning.
Alisa was the key to this win. BYU finally has a hard runner. With the horrible
O-Line, BYU needs a runner that can pound away.Nelson and Heaps are
not great. Two different types of blah. The Offense was rocking it at the end of
last year. The only change was Doman. I hope Nelson's body can hold up. I hope
Heaps learns the new system.Either Nelson or Heaps could have played
and BYU would have won. I was surprised at the interceptions thrown by Nelson.
Trying to force it. Nelson fans would say he was trying to make it happen. But
if Heaps did it, it was just a poor decision from a scared QB. Funny.
A coach needs the horses to be a good coach. Those who blame Doman for Jake's
lack of production and leadership need to learn a little about what it means to
be a coach. Unless you believe that the offensive coordinator has been teaching
Heaps to overthrow on any play designed to go more than 20 yards or to throw
with no touch at all on the shorter plays, you can't blame the OC. If you want to compare the quarterback coach for Heaps' freshman year and his
sophomore year, well - surprise - it's the same guy. So how is it going to be,
do you want to maintain that the QB regressed from one year to the next? This
was the same coach that did OK with John Beck and Max Hall - and by your
statement Heaps did really well his first year. The fact that outside of the
UTEP game Heaps was really no better last year than this doesn't matter, of
course. Doman does not make the passes - or make the poor passes.
The quarterback needs leadership qualities more than physical qualities, which
is why Riley wins.
Glad to see guys that are practicing and playing well get some time. On the Big
12 issue, if we had or have a chance to go to the Big 12 and don't go, there
will be A LOT of disappointed fans. Enough to stop buying tickets for the NMSU,
SJSU and Idaho's of the world. BYU didn't even sell out Saturday's game vs.
SJSU. If you keep bringing in WAC bottom feeders year in and year out, the fans
are not going to be happy.
Heaps is taking the heat that Doman should be taking. We get thee top ranked QB
in the country who does really well his freshman year and then struggles under a
new and inexperienced offensive coordinator? This sounds like a coaching issue
to me. Don't get me wrong, I like Riley, but Heaps is much more talented. Too
bad Heaps is being blamed for Doman's mistakes.
Re: what'sinitforme"For you LDS fans that doubt the BOT's
ability to make the right decision says something about your own faith in your
church's leaders, right?"Wrong, wrong, wrong. This is exactly
the type of attitude that so irritates faithful LDS members who aren't BYU fans.
I resent that someone would question my faith and loyalty in the Gospel and
religious leaders by my questioning of decisions regarding BYU football. It is a
SPORT! It is entertainment! BYU is not the only "true" school, and no
I don''t have to accept all the secular decisions made in behalf of my school or
team that I support and contribute to financially to maintain my good standing
in the Church.
Hey, impatient "fans" who wonder why BYU doesn't make public
statements like Air Force did, so that you can know what's going on, it's
simple:1. BYU's been negotiating with the Big12 behind closed doors;
makes no sense to muddy up negotiations with public statements.2.
Public statements, outside of saying what Air Force did (that they're NOT
going), don't make sense. Why tip your hand if you're still negotiating?3. The mere fact that BYU's not saying anything means that NOTHING has
officially been decided yet. So, the Big 12 isn't necessarily out of the picture
because of the silence from BYU.BYU might still get into the Big 12,
or the Big East (yuck!), or just remain independent.For you LDS fans
that doubt the BOT's ability to make the right decision says something about
your own faith in your church's leaders, right?
BYU to the Big East with AFA, Boise, etc.?That'd be WAY worse than
not going to the Big12 while staying independent.It'd just be
another mid-major conference scattered all over the U.S. after the other BCS
conferences get done pulling out the remaining better Big East teams during
further expansion. Doubt after that it could retain AQ status.Still,
why did BYU extend its series with Boise from 4 to 12? There's got to be SOME
connection with what WILL be happening.
Okay, thin-skinned coach lovers.I'll knock off my criticisms of
Bronco when opposing QBs get as much defensive love as BYU QBs do.Bend but don't break defenses aren't used so exclusively by top college teams
as is done by BYU. Those top teams routinely get into QB's faces.I
really do love Bronco and can't see anyone else doing this job right now. But, I
expect more of him, just as he does of himself. I just don't think he's seeing
the forrest for the trees sometimes. It's easy to do that when you're so close
to something.I've watched enough football over 40 years to get a
feel for what works and what doesn't (generall speaking). So, I'll continue to
espouse my opinions and criticisms.
My neighbor Michael Alisa is a very nice young man and it was good to see his
success. Funny that as a high school player at Timpview he spent most of his
time as a linebacker. He did carry a few times in most games I believe and was
successful. Interesting that Quezada and JJ who are also very nice running backs
tore up the California country side as high school players. I think it will be
hard to leave Michael on the bench from now on.
What happened to Nelson's Hair? It was the only reason I had for tuning into
the remaining games on the schedule.
I have always hated it when the cornerbacks back up 15 yards each pass play and
expect to stop the opponents from getting a first down. It will NOT happen if
you don't get pressure on the quarterback OR the wide receiver or preferably
both. Teach a new system where the cornerback plays aggressively against the
wide receiver when giving them a 10 or 15 yard cushion will not stop them from
getting a reception for a first down. Knock them to the ground if you have to.
I recommend that all check out Riley's post game comments as any who do so will
be treated to a mature perspective of one's own performance. Such a refreshing
change from what we've been getting.There is nothing any Riley
doubter/hater could have observed that he didn't nail in his own critique. He is
brutally honest and accurate in both negative as well as positive assessments.
Regardless what anyone does in life improvement is always easier when see that
improvement is needed.
Alisa took the opportunity and shot out of the corral on firer. He did a
tremendous job. He and Riley are stepping up, way up and the entire team is
feeding off the enthusiastic energy that is spilling out all over this team.It is a joy to watch inspired players who when given the shot at garbing
the brass ring have done so, and the ripple effect is awesome.
re: DrayCorrect, the OC seemed to have lost his nerve or perhaps did
not want Riley to destroy SJSU to horribly, it would have really look bad for
his heaps.Bronco is always hedging as well, with his statements like
possibly the right decision when he was referring to Riley playing the
entire game. This is crazy talk or simply covering up there knuckle head
preseason choice.As far as Looking for a back that can slash, cut
and run over people he has those guys he just had a very slow of foot QB1
running the offense. Case in point suddenly all the backs are preforming better
as well as the whole offense and defenses, hey the entire team is playing
better, much better inspired football.
These past two weeks I have watched Riley play like a former player we had, not
considered a great quarterback-he just knew how to win games,Brandon Doman.
Another old familier feeling I have had, being behind but having an opptomistic
feeling that we could still win the game, something that was lacking the fist
few games. Jack may yet become a great quarterback, but he I think he needs to
learn how to handle game pressure.
Trying to use the "court of public opinion" has broken many a deal on
many different levels and can leave a negative taste in the mouth of many, many
people. Although it can be a little aggrivating to the fans, I usually try to
let things play out before I judge too harshly. In the end, you can usually
understand why the cards are/were held so closely. Be patient and you are likely
be pleased with the end result. In the mean time, BYU has a lot of games
scheduled with some pretty good teams over the next year or two. I am looking
forward to them.
"My point is that a quality team and organization like the AFA has the
decency to talk to their fans and keep things above board. What the heck can be
so secret that Tom & Co. can't let us know what's going on, or at least that
something is or isn't going on? We are dealing with a conference affiliation
negotiation, not the fate of the free world."BYU is run by a
religious institution. Given how secretive that institution tries to be such as
about temple ordinances, are you really surprised?Judging by some of
the posts I've seen here one would think we are dealing with the fate of the
My point is that a quality team and organization like the AFA has the decency to
talk to their fans and keep things above board. What the heck can be so secret
that Tom & Co. can't let us know what's going on, or at least that something
is or isn't going on? We are dealing with a conference affiliation negotiation,
not the fate of the free world.
For me it is simple- Do you really feel we have a chance in a close game with
Heaps on the field or Riley?- exactly- go Riley- throw a few bad ones and even a
fumble but at least it feels like we have a chance- that is about all this
season has to offer at this point.
Corky;The more quality western teams that leave for the Big East, The less
teams there are left for the BIG 12 to look at. I would have liked to see BYU in
the BIG East. It would get them the East coast exposure they want every year.
BYU will do what is best for BYU. There are a lot of moves yet to be made in the
conference shake-up. Boise does not have much of a following and brings
practically zero revenue to the Big East. AFA might be a little better with a
bit of a national following. These are attempts to save the BIG east. BYU is
asking for some concessions for broadcasting, a guarantee of the conference
sticking together and no Sunday play. That turned the BIG 12 off for now. Maybe
forever. It might take another year or 2 or 3 but BYU will end in a good place
uneder good conditions. I would like to see how they do with independence for
another year or two.
A quick, injured beaver is dangerous when you come into its den. Don't overlook
OSU, especially at Reser.
The Y needs to focus on more than just the QB (and their offense). If the other
team can't score, then our offense will be just fine. However, the defensive
secondary is so porous that (almost) any team can throw against them. There is
"minimum" (to zero) pressure put on the opposing quarterback which
makes Eason even a greater liability. He plays 10 yards off the receiver and
gets burnt regularly and misses tackles. Everyone in the stadium knows who the
opposing team will throw against on third down. And 90% of the time they are
successful, unless the receiver drops the ball or the QB makes a wild throw. My
point is; year-after-year we end up with the same mediocre talent in that
position. And, year-after-year the defense struggles because the rest of the
team work their guts out for two downs and then give up the easy first down due
to pathetic play in the secondary. On Saturday, I watched closely as Eason
"dogged it" (play after play). "No upfront
pressure" plus "no contesting secondary" is a real killer. That
is why we struggle to control teams, even when they aren't very good.
@bobco | 1:44 a.m. Oct. 10, 2011Doesn't matter who the opponent is,
they still have to play the game. All we care is that they come out and play the
game that BYU is capable of playing.TJ | 7:40 a.m. Oct. 10, 2011 I agree with you. I get tired of everyone playing arm chair coaches. If
you think you can do better then go get educated and become the coach.
So now Air Force and likely Boise are headed for the Big East. They want Army
and Navy, too, and may get them. What I find interesting is that the AFA AD
went right to the press and announced the contact they had from the Big 12 and
declared publicly that they weren't interested and why. Maybe Mr. Holmoe could
show his fans(tongue in cheek) the same courtesy....
Why don't those of you who are not happy with the coaching, earn a coaching spot
and eventually get a job at BYU. You can then become the head coach and show us
how it should be done. You can recruit, deal with the honor code, deal with the
missionary program, develop the players and get them to play up to their
potential and show us how much better you are than Bronco. Or maybe your young
enough to earn a starting position on the BYU team and show us how good you are.
It's obvious from Bronco's remarks that he didn't understand that some players
are practice players while others are gamers. Maybe he's figured that out by
now, perhaps with Doman's help, as I read that it was Doman's request to put
Nelson in to finish the UCF game.And, keeping Nelson in for the
entire SJSU game being Doman's desire, shows that Doman DOES know what's going
on, and who can run his offense effectively.I'm sure Nelson's
propensity for turnovers will lessen over time as he gets reps and game
experience.Nelson DID show he can pass well enough to run the
offense effectively, so nay-sayers about his passing game should just eat crow.
That long bomb for a TD showed he IS capable. Sure, not the strong arm that Jake
has, but Nelson does win!Fully expect to see Alisa more involved in
the offense now. He doesn't stutter like DiLuigi. Seems Bronco has recognized
Alisa's talent.Feeling more confident about beating Oregon State
Lets remember who the opponent was...
Also it seems to me that we get out couched every single game. The first half
looked good both on O and D but the Spartans make adjustments at half time and
we cant do a thing. I thought Anai was let go partly because he was unable to
call plays outside of his game plan and would not adjust to a defensive change
up. I have seen nothing from Doman to tell me that he is any better at that.
Jonathan, I absolutely agree. I feel that our defense has a lot of talent that
was not being utilized during the game. Bronco would either rush three and drop
everyone else on an entire drive that would result in points of would blitz on
first and second either sacking the QB or hurrying him only to rush three and
drop everyone else back again on third down giving up big chunks of yards.
Rushing three 300+ Nose guards is not an effective pass rush, their QB had all
day, when we hurried or hit him he threw interceptions and incompletion, is this
really that hard to see. Also when we blitz more than one linebacker why dont we
play some bump coverage or at least some tight coverage. It seemed all too easy
to beat the blitz with a quick slant or a toss to the flat where the DB is
standing 15 yards down field from the receiver. Why play bend dont break D
when we have playmakers?
I have been hoping for Alisa to get more PT since the first game, he is a stud
and has the size and athleticism we need at running back. With OS beating
Arizona last week, this won't be an easy game, if we don't come out with
intensity and fire we'll lose. Nelson played well last week (at least in the
first half), he needs to prove he can move the chains via the pass and I'll be
OK with him. He doesn't have the arm to be a real good QB at this level but I
love his tenacity, fire, heart and leadership, hopefully that will be enough to
produce the Win. Heaps has way more potential than Nelson but until Heaps learns
how to get intense, tough, and firey he'll probably remain on the bench, (unless
Nelson gets hurt).
I see a "lapse" of discipline too often. Still way too many mental
errors, turnovers, penalties and missed assignments. The second half of most
games looks like the cool down period of a gym workout. I also see an overall
lack of killer instinct on both sides of the field. All of this I think is
accepted behavior by the players because of coaches that seem to act less than
intense. Sorry to dump on staff, but a coach's personality extends to the
players and right now it just seems like BYU coaches appear to tolerate mediocre
performance. They are not demanding a greater degree of excellence for 60
minutes. I hope I am wrong but that's the impression I get.
Riley wasn't amazing on Saturday, but he's just a better football player than
Jake Heaps. He's fun to watch and it's obvious that he wants to win badly. I
look forward to continue watching him.
I think the coaching staff is great. That said, they have for too long tied
"loyalty" and "position mastery" to who gets to start. For
several years it seems like if you are named a starter then you are always a
starter. Best players should play. We need more playmakers and not every
playmaker has mastered his position. When kids don't perform give the next kid
a shot. I am shocked to see another running back and QB actually get a shot
this year. There are talented kids on the bench, if someone isn't performing
then give another kid a shot who is standing out in practice. For example, do
we really not have someone better than #25 at corner? His
"leadership" and "work ethic" which has been hailed in the
past are not cutting it on Saturday. Let's see if we have a playmaker on the
Alisa was a nice surprise last Saturday. I'd like to see him start on Saturday.
The defense continues to look pretty good, but need to bring more defensive heat
on the quarterback - last Saturday the opposing QB had way too much time
especially on 3rd and long. I like the hurry up offense - need to do
more of that. Doman should call more run, pass option plays around the ends.BYU 31Oregon State 17
Cougars are making progress. By making progress each and every game by the end
of the season they will be where they should have been for the Texas game and
perhaps can beat UTEP again in a bowl game. Next year we can perhaps skip the
August prep work and get prepared again during the season. You can see that by
mid season we can snap the ball without having it fly over the QBs head. Who
needs to work on those things before the season? Shame on those ticket playing
fans for expecting excellence. Football is only the number 5 priority for the
players and coaches.
Michael Alisa was a stud on Saturday. If he continues to play like that, our
running game will move to the next level.
Seems like Alisa and Riley do not so much play a position as they play football.
Love their drive, energy, their get-it-done attitude. That said, it seemed the
play calling in the third, fourth quarters was very conservative, and I don't
think Riley excells there, he needs to constantly push to excell, cut back on
the throttle, and he doesn't do so well.