Turnovers still a struggle for Cougars
BYU and Utah could take a few lessons from Boise State University and send their
coaches up to Boise so they can learn how to run a non-predictable offense and
get the most out of their talent. Especially the Cougs!
@ chubbuckidahocougfanYeah and they can lower their academic
standards, and be involved in an NCAA investigation on top of that. BSU cannot
hold a candle to the athletic or academic achievements that Utah and BYU both
claim. BSU's national ranking as a university (545, Forbes) is lower than both
BYU (136, Forbes) and Utahs (158, Forbes) combined. There is nothing that BSU
can "teach" BYU or Utah. The very thought is hysterical. There is more
to a university than football. Comprehensive sports programs that include
basketball, baseball, soccer, gymnastics, volleyball, and track & field.
There are also comprehensive academic programs like medicine, engineering,
accounting, business, and physics. There is nothing that BSU has outside of
football, and that is marginal at best when you look at the last 50 years
(compared to BYU or Utah) too bad BSU fans always seem to forget that.
Who's in the mood for cupcakes?
Anyone know why Daniel Sorenson is not playing tonight?
Nelson got a haircut, pretty disappointed. But he is playing with the same
Can anyone tell me how come I should be excited for Riley tonight?I could beat
SanJose St. Should have let Heaps get his confidence back. Good call bronco!
@MIP - You mean like the one Arizona State just ate?
@Resolute VoiceCongratulations! You get the overreaction award for
the evening. chubbuckidahocougfan was CLEARLY referring to the sports aspect of
the article...which was the WHOLE article. The fact is that BYU's
offense stinks and they could learn how to play football from Boise State.
There is nothing 'marginal' about Boise State football. Nobody cares what
happened in 1984 anymore. BYU football has gotten stale and predictable.
Clearly Nelson is not as poised a passer as Heaps- he insists on throwing a ball
short, out or long that someone can catch but Heaps puts it on a rope and it
looks so nice even if no one can catch it- clearly Heaps is the superior passer
@MipYes, BYU needs them for the next couple of years. If better
games had been available you know the Cougars would have played them. But on
such short notice BYU is grateful to these teams, in return they get good ESPN
exposure, an opportunity to play a bigger named opponent and a few bucks in
exchange.Kind of like what the Utes are getting to do in the Pac
this year and years to come... an opportunity to play bigger teams, some better
exposure, probably lose most of their games and get a little pocket change for
bballjunkie,Go ahead and not be excited. Your loss. Nelson is still doing
things with his feet that Heaps may NEVER be able to do. Oh, and his passes are
pretty inaccurate too...not.Why don't you just sit back, enjoy the rest of
this season and next with Riley, chime in something useful during bball season
and we will all be better off for it.
MiP:What kind of cupcakes?Washington and Arizona State
just called. They are in the mood for cupcakes.Also SW Baptist, San
Diego and Seattle U are cupcakes. You can always have some of those.
XelaDave,Oops! Looks like you spoke a little soon. Ya, his delivery isn't
as pretty but the longer balls have been right on the money. What's wrong
with you people who just can't bring yourselves to enjoy a good thing? Are you
related to Heaps?
Hey, where are all the BYU haters with their predictions for the game today? I
thought for sure someone would post a score like:SJSU 31BYU
10Come on BYU haters, let's hear it.
ClarkHippo... that was funny
Because Riley excites those around him. Jake's leadership this year has been the
equivalent of a "prevent defense." "Guy's this is one of the most
talented offenses in BYU history. We have no question marks at any position. We
can make history. Several of us will play in the NFL. Let's not make a mistake
and mess up that opportunity." Riley comes in with an urgency a "live
in the moment" attitude. It is a "we need to make a play right now on
this play attitude". And because he is not playing for the future, he is
willing to take the hit himself. I rewatched the Utah State game. In the first
quarter Heaps had a drive that concluded with a field goal after (I believe) 8
plays in the red zone. That isn't play calling. At some point the guy has to
step up and win. The criticisms regarding Nelson's passing are
unwarranted. He threw beautiful passes all night. Nelson is going to make
mistakes. He is going to fumble the ball. And he is going to get hurt. What he
won't do is consistently overthrow receivers out of fear of throwing an
Nelson looks good so far. Funny how good Dorman looks with a QB who can play.
ClarkHippo - they are too upset after two Ute games where the Utes looked like
the Cougars against Utah. Don't worry, they'll be back.After a tough
opening stretch for the season it's nice for BYU to have a soft opponent to
@ runnerguy50 | 10:01 p.m. Oct. 8, 2011 Virginia Beach, Va Come on now, be fair to Jake. You are comparing Jake playing against the
Texas, Utah and Mississippi defenses to the motley crew that Riley is facing
SoUtHapa"Nelson is still doing things with his feet that Heaps may
NEVER be able to do. Oh, and his passes are pretty inaccurate too...not"Your right great call... 2 ints and a fumble my bad..oh wait and thats
against a great D in San Jose State..good news we still are in the 3rd qt.lol
SoUtHapaHey do I give cresit to Riley for that 96 yard TD drive.lolNot related just know that you don't pull this kid ..especially for
Credit not cresit.. pull me coach put Riley in.
RESOLUTE VOICE-I could care less about Academics. I'm a BYU sports fan and went
to Idaho State Univ.....so as you can see academic achievements is not a big
deal to me. As much as I hate to say it BSU has surpassed BYU in the current
environment of a football program. They are unbelievable and are consisently
ranked in the top 10 and competing for BCS bowl games. I would love to be in the
conversation for BCS games once every 10 years let along every year like BSU. If
you watch BSU, they are well coached, well prepared, and take football serioulsy
as their #1 priority and not #5 on the list like the Y. BYU could learn a few
things from the Broncos up north. They aren't far from Provo, It wouldn't take
the coaches long to drive down I-15, take a left on I-84 at Tremonton and
continue west until you arrive in Boise. Be humble and learn from a program that
has dominated on the national landscape for the last few years.
1984, Nelson looked great against USU and Heaps looked horrible against the
Aggies. Nelson needs work but Heaps was just in over his head.
4th BYU 26 San Jose State 13Riley has 2 INT and 1 fumble
against San Jose State's defense.BYU's making San Jose look like a
BCS team.I don't think Riley will be allowed to throw again after
the 60 yard throw straight up in the air and 10 yards down field.
Nevertheless...BYU 31SJS 16
Someone explain to me why the Cougars haven't gone for two on any of the TDs
after starting out with a safety. The two pointer puts them up by two TDs.
Bronco almost blew it last week by not going for two.
Hey will take it, it's a win!
Well there you have it. Another 'perfect' weekend for football.Utes
lose with a new QBBYU wins with a new QBThe beatings will
continue until moral improves.And for my friend 54-10 back atcha...
0-3 oh the pain, it has to hurt blah blah blah
Good job Cougs!
Beat Oregon State watch Utah lose to them and this season will not have been all
that bad after all will it? Now, Who knows what the season would look like if
Riley had been in from the very first snap east of the mississippi. All I know
is that after watching BYU turn into Brigham Young Turnoversity the Turnoversity
of Utah heavily jealous or over cocky for what layed in their lap in provo
decided to mirror it in whole for 8 straight quarters.
Riley earned the start and he did well with it. Jake had one opportunity to get
back into the game but couldn't find his helmet...Seriously though,
the disparity in defenses the qbs faced is a big deal. But at this point I
don't know if Jake has the confidence to slash even this defense. If he was
mentally sound these would be great games for him to get his confidence back.
At some point Riley is going to get hurt-even if it is just for a few plays-and
Jake needs to be ready to go. If he is confident he is better, but he has NOT
shown that thus far this year.
Good win, I'll take it. But in all fairness to Jake, that wasn't Texas or
Utah's defense out there. I am happy for Riley, I hope he can play this well
against TCU and OSU (minus the picks). He definately brings energy to the
offense that just wasn't there before, but he needs to understand that there is
a time to throw the ball and a time to take the sack.Go COUGS! Good win
Those who are hating on Riley don't know much about QBing. The kid actually
displayed some pretty strong qualities this game. I was actually pretty
surprised. He showed a good vision of the field and seemed to understand
receiving preferences of his receivers, which led to a ton of YAC. He also had really good touch on any passes that required any arch.A weakness that he does have is that he can't throw with enough velocity
without setting up (like pre-prison Mike Vick). This led to both interceptions,
as the ball was thrown slightly behind both receivers. HOWEVER, he
did put a lot of velocity on a few passes while set. However, the timing of
these passes seemed off. I think this is because he doesn't usually throw these
balls.I really don't get all of the hating from the Utah fans.
Comments are usually pretty entertaining. However, coming on to disparage
Nelson's performance tonight is pretty classless. I can understand if the
criticism was legitimate. But, it is mean spirited in this case.
At least those 2 INT and fumble didn't turn into 18 points in 3.5 minutes. In
fact, the fumble turned into 2 points for the home team.... Utes, please back
off until your team has done something other than beating a cupcake that will
beat the cupcakes of your own league. Will you be doing such a thing? now that
is a LOL
As far as for football in the State of Utah goes this year, it has to be with
the Aggies. Then look to a good football team in Idaho. Hmm, seems like the
Aggies and the Broncos should be considered for the PAC and BIG12. Utah
shouldn't be where it is, and BYU just doesn't have it (coaches or players). I
guess all Utah and BYU fans can resort to the old, worn out battle cry from both
Provo and Salt Lake City, "WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR."
Utah lost to one of the best teams in the country. BYU beat one of the worst
teams in the country.
As an Idahoan--and a graduate of Idaho State University--I can tell you that
Boise State has a little more going for them than the blue turf and those ugly
uniforms. But back in the early '90's, I worked for the ISU football
department, and Boise State was just another Division I-AA Big Sky team, though
a good one to be sure. they were a commuter school whose team played in a 12,000
seat no-big-deal stadium. In fact they were the only one of the three Idaho
Division I-AA schools that didn't play in a domed stadium.They are
great now, like what BYU was in the late 70's. But they don't have the history
of either BYU or Utah.
Why is Van Noy not starting? He is clearly the best linebacker on the team,
brings up the entire defense's energy level and makes things happen. He is a
turnover machine. To see Wagner get the start seems disrespectful to Van Noy's
hard work. Am I missing something?
When will BYU stop playing to the level of its opponents? It doesn't seem to
matter who we play (few exceptions, like the egg against Utah), we never play
above the ability of our opponents, good or bad. When will we finally put 50 on
a crappy team instead of making them look credible? @SyracuseCoug--Heaps
couldn't get it done against USU, that's why Nelson got his chance. I think the
outcome against Texas would've been different had Nelson been given a shot the.
Heaps has to stop playing scared or he won't amount to anything.
Heaps will get splinters the rest of the season.Knowing his
attitude, here come the transfer rumors...
Why disparage San Jose State? That is a decent football team and their defense
is better than the Utah State defense that Heaps couldn't move the ball against.
That is a better team than 4 teams we beat last year (New Mexico, CSU, Wyoming,
and UNLV). The ESPN guys were impressed with Nelson's throwing ability, esp.
his 50 yard ball on the $$$ to Jacobsen, I guess they haven't heard any of the
experts on these boards evaluate his "arm strength."That
BSU fan definitely touched a nerve. When you resort to academic rankings on the
comments section of football game summary, you are reaching. What BYU was about
25 years ago, Boise is in the BCS era. They may not be the greatest academic
institution, but BYU isn't Harvard either.I just like the general
direction of the offense. They are including a lot of the talent on the
offense, lots of weapons. They have more get-up and go. The running game
allows us to control the clock and win the physical battle at the line of
scrimmage. It also sets up the pass, something we haven't been able to do.
Maybe it was just me but I thought that the RB Alisa changed the whole dynamic
of the game. He is a back that can easily give Heaps the confidence back he so
badly needs. Riley can play, no doubt, but for how long? He takes shot after
shot. Having Heaps sit is a good thing for a game like this, maybe this opens
his eyes to the world of college football and he needs help. Alisa could be just
that. A Utah fan that see's potential oozing out of Heaps, he just needs to take
advantage. Just my opinion though.
I'm not sure I'm seeing BYU beating Oregon State. They better pick it up a
I bet Oregon State, Washington State, Colorado, Cal, Pitt, Arizona cannot wait
to play the "mighty" Utes. It's a for sure win for those teams. Utah
is the official doormat of the Pac 12.... hahahaGo Ducks, Cougs and
Nice to hear from Utah fans with their obsession with everything Cougar. Riley
played a good game tonight. The running game was really impressive which opened
up the passing game. Credit Doman here for changing a few things on the
offense. Where did Alisa come from? He had a monster game. I think Bronco and
Doman both determined that in order to get different results, you have to do
different things. That is why Heaps is sitting and Nelson is playing. Change
things up. I think we will still see Heaps in, I just hope he is learning to
read the defesne and check down on his reciveers. Go Cougars
Unless I've missed something, it seems Heaps is actually taking being benched
quite nicely. Haven't heard him whine or moan, but I did hear him say that he
had a lot to work on. I don't know where you're gathering his attitude from. It wasn't amazingly pretty, but we got the win. Hopefully a week off will give
Jake Heaps long enough to clear out the cobwebs. He's got the physical tools, he
just needs to play with poise and confidence. Once that happens, which I still
believe it will, he'll be dangerous. I saw too many passes from Riley today that
took way too long to reach the receivers, and that is a problem Jake Heaps does
I'd rather eat a cupcake than be one!
A win is a win, BUT! Against the worst defensive team in the country this BYU
squad has got a lot of fixin' to do. Where in the world does BYU's defense
disappear on 3rd downs? For several years in a row they are simply a 3rd down
wet paper bag.I think Bronco said it best that we could expect to
see much of the same with this team this year. I guess he was referring to their
poor play.I guess Utah's move to the PAC 12 and BYU's independence
does not better teams make, like the talking heads have said. They still have to
play the game which seems difficult for both teams this year.
Decent game, definately more energy on offense. Good win cougs!Go Devils!
BYU barely beat the worst SEC Team in recent memory, Ole Miss (2-3)BYU
gets beat by a point by the team with the fan base most like its own. Texas
turns around and gets walloped.BYU beats Central Florida (3-2), USU (2-3)
and SJS (2-4)One win against a team with a winning record. One
great win cougars wish terps could have won nearly beat georgia tech on the road
but fell short have clemson next at home hopefully bwe can pull off a miracle
Looks like BYU needs to get another transfer Quarterback from Utah State when
former Aggie Riley Nelson graduates.
Hey, maybe the WAC will take us back? The cougs look a lot better playing
these teams.We have a ways to go before we can consider any Majors
conference memberships. I would love to see the Cougars succeed, but they seem
to be a ways away from that goal. Being on the east cost, I crashed after the
first quarter thinking BYU was back to its old scoring ways. Boy was I
surprised to see they had only doubled their score over the next 3 quarters, and
that of all people SHSU was able to score on them.Not football to
the standard the Cougars are known for. Sorry to rain on the parade, but
against SJSU, they should have owned this team, not just got by.
MIP @ 8:36PMWho's in the mood for turnovers. I hear they are serving them
up by the plateful at RES.
The key is Nelson has shown great improvement in the area that he is lacking
which is to pass accurately. Judging Nelson's heart, he will only get better
with more experience on the field. Nelson has this year and next year to become
a great QB like those in the past. Nelson has a better chance of getting there
than Heaps. In addition, Heaps missing helmet sounds like the team believes in
Nelson too. Good to hear the stadium was packed. I think the crowd was there
to support Nelson too. Now we gotta get Doman to believe in Nelson like the
rest of us do including Mendenhall. Go Nelson!!!
Neilsom certainly took me through the entire range of emotions possible in a
football game. TD passes and running looked fantastic. Interceptions and the
offering he threw up to the gods looked awful. Nelson is not the QB that will
give a serious fan confidence against TCU but he may be good enough to beat
Hawaii. Certainly he is capable of leading his team to wins against the rest of
the teams they will play this year. He is a great runner, a great leader /
motivator and the team rallies around him. I will have to say that, in my
opinion, BYU will be better off with Heaps working out his issues against the
weak WAC teams. He should be getting a lot pt PT. Nelson doesn't have the
potential to win the big games at the beginning of the next few seasons. Heaps
does. Play Heaps and have Nelson play quite a bit as a situational QBHeaps; learn to be a leader and how to rally your team from Nelson. Nelson is
going to get hurt eventually this season because of the way he runs. Heaps
better be ready.
The second half drop in productivity reflected the play calling which turned
from playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win.
byu - good job nelson at least you can hit wide open receivers and play to win
rather than not to lose. maybe heaps should transfer to a lesser college if he
wants to get playing time. he probably would be ok at a weber type school.
We'll take the win and hope for some more. Not a good article to post this next
statement on, but for what it's worth; the Denver Post reports this morning that
Air Force leaving the Mtn. West for the big east, along with Navy is next to a
done deal. Wow--the dominoes continue. And according to the AF, the Big 12 did
approach them and AF said NO.
It's kind of sad to see all the cheap shots taken at Jake Heaps on this
board.How quickly they forget.This is the same guy who
took us on a tear at the end of last season and was almost unstoppable. His drive for a TD in the Utah state game two weeks ago was as good as
it gets. Then late second quarter, early first half what are we calling?
"Dink and dunk" and "three yards and a cloud of dust" again,
instead of turning Heaps loose. Our play calling in the red zone was
conservative - no "go for the kill." On one drive the
first two plays in our territory were runs of no gain! Then Jake gets one shot
to make something happen. Give me a break.He als o didn't have Alisa
tearing up the place. BYU will likely crush its creampuff opposition
(excepting Oregon State and TCU)the rest of the year,and so in my view it's not
likely that Heaps will play again this year.Perhaps he will redshirt
next year, to preserve 2 years of eligibility. I hope.
Once again Doman played not to loose in the 2nd half. Still no killer instinct.
They need to learn to put games away. Only two field goals? Not that was
pathetic and Doman's fault.
We will never know what kind of energy Riley could have brought to the Texas or
Utah games, but after watching the last two games it is evident that Jake had
put a lot of pressure on himself or it was put on him by all the expectations,
whereas Riley just wanted to do whatever he could withing his skill range to
win. The mentality Riley has to do whatever it takes to win is contagious and
Jake will need to learn that or he will never be successful on the field.
The win last night instilled no confidence in me. Our offense looks like they
don't know what they're doing. SJSU is an okay team. We made Faulkner look like
a pretty good QB. Maybe he is, I don't know.Usually, to me, a win is
a win and I'm glad we did win. But, I have no confidence in this team. Even
though Oregon State isn't very good this year, I don't see us winning that game.
I'm ok with the performance from BYU. Sure Nelson had a few wild passes, but
what have we seen from Heaps this season? About the same. I like the dual threat
that Nelson offers. Defenses have to drop fewer people into coverage due to
Nelson's running ability. I honestly think the best thing Heaps could do is
become a student of the game for the rest of this season and win his starting
job back next season.
Playing SJSU at home proves nothing. Southern Utah could handle SJSU.I once though our defense was tight. SJSU just scored 16 points on us....at
home. Defense C-Nelson provides more options with his mobility and
guts...two things lacking with Heaps. 6 points in the second half is pretty
close to horrible. Offense C-I may continue to watch for two more
weeks. Otherwise, I'll go fishing or take up a new Saturday hobby.
Riley got the win, that's great. He made to many bad choices, BYU lucky they
were playing San Jose State!! I think Heaps should have started. If he is the
future for BYU this was a good team to get some confidence back. If he doesn't
get it done then bring in Riley. BYU in lucky to have powerhouses Idaho, Idaho
St & New Mexico St @ home to secure a bowl game. GO COUGARS!!!!!!!
@Cougar Blue - After reading your comment I read the article in the DP about Air
Force leaving the MW for the Big East,and being approached by the Big 12. Good
for them! Wish our AD would be as open about what happened with BYU and the Big
12 as AF's AD.
I guess most respondents here didn't see Nelson's three turnovers (and three
near-INT's); or the fact that most of his passes were actually late in
arriving--with the WR's adjusting their speed to compensate for the lousy arm of
Riley Nelson. Remember too that Nelson's play stagnated the whole of the second
half. He was downright awful; and here most everyone is praising him.BYU was lucky SJSU was without their star running back, and that they missed a
few turnover opportunities that would easily have put them in the winning
column. BYU should not be patting themselves on the back after this one,
folks.In the next week Nelson either has to get a throwing arm (good
luck with that), or Mendenhall needs to insert Heaps back into the lineup; make
the RB's responsible for actually doing their jobs [which will take the pressure
off Heaps]; demand the WR's begin catching Heaps' pro-style passes; and demand
better QB protection by the O-Line, rather than inserting the subpar D-III
quality QB that is Riley Nelson. After all, BYU recruited Heaps for
his abilities...time for BYU to give him the on-field assets to succeed.
If Rutley had been healthy, not sure BYU would have beaten SJSU, considering how
vanilla Bronco was in defending their QB. Once again, BYU's defense makes the
opposing QB look all-world.Bad Bronco!BYU should be able
to run the table, BUT that probably won't because of 1) Bronco's disdain for
putting pressure on opposing QBs and 2) because BYU has a starting QB who needs
more experience to keep from turning the ball over so much.
Alisa! Alisa! Alisa! Where have you BEEN?Glad to see Doman's smart
enough to recognize a hot hand and use it.
@TJ 8:08" Nelson doesn't have the potential to win the big games at
the beginning of the next few seasons. Heaps does."Based on
what?Nelson is a playmaker and has come through in a clutch. Heaps
hasn't shown us any of that this year. I wouldn't deny that Heaps has
potential. I just think Nelson has more. We need an athlete at the QB position.
The more and better Riley Nelson plays .....the more apparent it is bronco
cannot coach...nor does his staff know how to evaluate talent......Riley Nelson is just a flat out winner....what he lacks in skill he makes up
for in heart..........with that kd in Idaho ready to come to BYU next
year....let's hope Heaps never plays another game........Go Nelson!!
Nelson had some bad throws, but he had some really good throws too. He had two
perfect deep balls to Jacoson. He proved he can throw the ball deep and he is a
running threat. If he hadn't turned the ball over three times this would have
been a blowout. I think that he will fix the turnover issues.
Two INT's and a fumble is nothing to get excited about. There is a lot to work
on with BYU's offence. I sure would like to see Lark get a chance to show his
stuff. Maybe play him to start the second half of an upcoming game, sense the
offense has struggled to start the third lately anyway. And what happened to
accountability Nelson should have been pulled from the game when he started
chucking up those INT's and there could have been a few more if the Spartans
defense could catch a ball thrown at them.
well that lost all its intended punch... funny thing spelling......and an AGGIE shall lead them.
Hey Riley fans hold on he just had an average game with 2 picks and easily could
have had 2 more and a fumble against a poor defense in......wait for it....San
Jose State. Get real anyone could have done that or better.Riley is not the
answer you all think he is. And its only going to get worse. Tell me why anyone
should be excited for those numbers? Go Cougs!
Riley Nelson is not a top quality quarterback. He's just not. Two
interceptions (should have been four!), giving a fumble away on the 3 yard line,
and what the heck was up with that throw straight into the sky? Nelson makes
poor decisions with the football. The guy can run the ball, though.
That alone makes Nelson good enough for this year. He and Alisa really helped
out the running game last night.
I have seen BYU play better this year.The difference was the talent
of the opposition.Not impressed with BYU coaches this year.I am glad that BYU could not hook-up with BCS conference.Utah has
not even managed one win this year against a BCS team.Utah is
prepared to go out and hire a big name coach if needed. To the Utes, losing is
not an option (see basketball). No matter what whit did before, if he can't win
in the PAC, Dr. Hill will cut him loose.BYU is happy with Fireside
Bronco leaving the office at 6:00 pm.
Cougar Blue | 8:44 a.m. Oct. 9, 2011 N. Las Vegas, NV "Not a good article to post this next statement on, but for what it's
worth; the Denver Post reports this morning that Air Force leaving the Mtn. West
for the big east"===AFA AD was quoted on CBS sports:"We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we're not a good
fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics
make sense, but the recruiting makes no sense for us. I can't recruit against
Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State," Mueh explained. "That's
why I turned down the Big 12. I can't do that to my kids, because they'll get
beat up. I'd love the extra $12 million or whatever it would be per year from
the TV money. And I know how I'd spend the money. I'd build a new soccer
stadium, and I'd build a new baseball facility, all in one year. But I can't do
that."===Wow, and AD looking out for the kids.You gotta admit, it's a stand up AD that looks out for the team, and
doesn't just see $$$...
All you bagging on Nelson, he already has more TD in a game and a half then
Heaps had all year. He has some rust, but he will be better with more experience
and getting his timing. The problem with BYU is Jacobsen is not good in the
slot and neither are their RB or TE, so they struggle to spread the field. IMO.
Question: if we leave opposing receivers wide open on third downs regardless of
how many players we drop into coverage, WHY do we not blitz more often? Our
blitzes caused interceptions and sacks, and it's not like dropping extra guys
into coverage has helped us cover the field... Our D-line is stopping inside
runs well but not getting enough pressure in the pass rush. Also:
whatever Bronco is using as a halftime speech is NOT working... The play
calling, tackling, pass defense, aggressiveness, fire and mental toughness all
take a nose-dive in the third quarter week after week. Maybe we should try
I really don't know what games many of you here have been watching this season.
In 5 quarters of work, Nelson has been 10 times the passer (yes I said passer)
that Heaps has been thus far. Yes, Nelson made some potentially costly
mistakes, but they are absolutely correctable and not, as some would suggest, a
result of a lack of arm strength. Nelson was also victimized on a couple of
dropped, yet perfectly thrown passes...one of them for a sure touchdown and
another on a third down conversion in the fourth quarter. How many times do we
need to see Heaps under-throw, throw behind or rifle a ball 5 yards beyond his
target before we realize that he doesn't have the accuracy, touch or patience
necessary to be successful right now. Does anyone think Heaps wouldn't have
over-thrown Jacobson on that out-and-up touchdown Nelson threw right after the
interception?!? Heaps needs lots of work! I am still skeptical about Nelson,
and I questioned Mendenhall giving him the start, but Heaps just isn't ready,
and I think Nelson can win.
To Portland Trailblazers: Careful what you wish for, if you are cheering for
the Cougs to beat Oregon State. They may get the momentum to also beat the
Bbjunkie or uncle heaps,Let's Wait until bball season, then respond to a
sport you actually know something about. Lol
That was a much better prepared team than I think any expected. They repeatedly
exploited weaknesses in the defense, mixing up their play calling and their QB
read our blitzes really well. For the most part, IMO, this is what every week
will look like for the remainder of the season. Most of the teams left on the
schedule will have little more to play for than to knock off a team with big
media presence and as universally hated as they Y has become. So, all the
sarcasm regarding San Jose State...this game is a mini bowl game for these guys,
and they played like it.Nelson has yet to enjoy an entire week with sole
possession of the starting snaps as last week was the "feeling out"
week. Most of the time he looked like he'd always been the guy. Hopefully,
more reps at practice will equal better timing, mechanics, discipline and fewer
bad choices/errors and translate into more wins, which should satisfy even the
sourest of you.We'll see...
BYU should have some plays where Lark or Heaps takes the snap and hands off the
ball to Riley for a delayed draw or a pass to a wide receiver or tight end
mid-range or perhaps long like the McKay Jacobsen play. Or how about Riley
takes the snap, ladrals to Heaps to throw a long pass to a WR or TE. either
sould work. Doman, try some of these things. They are simple enough - the OL
just needs to do their job and hold out the defense long enough for Heaps to
make his reads and his throw. What do you all think?
Is San Jose State for crying out loud! Wow!
29-16, Is that all? I guess this shows that byu is even incapable of blowing
"@MIP - You mean like the one Arizona State just ate?"---Wldflwr
Nope. You are comparing Utah to SJSU? That's bold just 3 weeks post
debacle. Also, realize Utah was up with 5 minutes left in the third.For the record, I cheer for BYU most weeks out of the year (sans Utah, Iowa,
and occasionally Utah State) as I have strong ties to the school. My comment
wasn't a hater one, but rather as a fan who thinks BYU, and Utah for that
matter, could use an "easier" opponent occasionally. But even if
you're offended, I stand by my comment. Clearly you don't disagree or you would
have had a better post.==="Mip,Yes, BYU needs
them for the next couple of years. If better games had been available you know
the Cougars would have played them. But on such short notice BYU is grateful to
these teams....Kind of like what the Utes are getting to do in the Pac this year
and years to come...."---sammygAgreed, sammyg, with the
first half of that post. The last part will have to wait until the end of the
season, as like BYU, Utah has more winnable games to come.
Heaps should have started and Nelson should have been brought in for Wildcat
situations or if Heaps struggled again. Nelson was good against Utah State but
lets be honest, were it not for the prayer to Jacobson and a lucky end zone
tipped ball there would be no controversy here. We should have put up at least
40 against SJSU but 3 red zone turnovers...should we conclude that Nelson is the
better of the two based the USU 2nd half and a game against SJSU while Heaps
went against Ole Miss and Texas on the road, UCF at home and a tough USU team.
Heaps did struggle against USU but BYU was too quick to hand over the reins and
start Nelson, especially with the schedule getting MUCH weaker. My prediction:
Heaps transfers if they are going to stick with Nelson for this season and next,
BTW - good job BYU on sporting all that Pink..... a cause far more important
than any individual game. Many more live are touched and ultimately altered by
Cancer, and BYU's sporting the support in such a loud way was commendable. Nicely done.
Ratings for the performance of the San Jose State game at Home.Offense First Half Second HalfQuaterback
B BO-Line B+ ARunning Backs C+ B+Wide Receivers B
No throwsDefenceD-Line A
ALinebackers B+ B+D-Backs
F FQuarterback is not the most pressing
problem. The exposure of our passing defense ise the greatest problem we face
in the coming games. We have to stop playing soft on all receivers. No receiver
had a man near him from the time the ball was snapped. It was the same for this
game as all other games, but this coach recognized the futility of runnig into
our defensive line and went to the pass much more and very successfully. We throw a pass and the man is usually covered by someone with in a few feet
or yards. not true when we are on defense. SOFT, SOFT, SOFT and ineffective.
Also embarassing.Play aggressive pass defense and do not allow them to get
into their routes without getting some pressure.
Wow Resolute Voice (8:34 pm)! Why not just give Boise's football program credit
where credit is due? Do we detect some football envy and jealousy in your rant?
@Gazpacho, I couldn't agree with you more. Nelson is the QB for the
rest of the year as long as he keeps playing like he did against SJSU or better.
Although I worry about him getting injured with all the hits he's taking.If Nelson stays healthy, he should be the guy again next year. He's not
in the same category as the "elite ones", but he has the ability to
move the offense and get us some wins. He'll continue to make some mistakes,
but he won't get gun shy. Can you imagine what the score would have been if it
weren't for his interception and fumble inside the 5 yard line.I'd
bring Nelson back as the starter again next year, with Lark as the back-up, and
red shirt Jake.In 2013, if Jake grows to his potential in the next
year and a half he could be a star in his Junior and Senior years.2011 - Nelson, Heaps2012 - Nelson, Lark2013 - Heaps, Munns,
Hill2014 - Heaps, Hill2015 - Hill, Mangum2016 - Hill,
Mangum2017 - Mangum2018 - MangumThere's a couple other
QBs that could also make an impact.
And why isn't anyone saying anything about Michael Alisa? Where have we been
hiding this kid all year? He was amazing against the Spartans!
I thought Nelson did great. He brings so much more to the offense than Heaps
can bring. His dual threat makes him much better. he did make a few mistakes,
but he'll get better. He has way more potential than Heaps due to his
athleticism. I was disappointed in some of the drops.
Upon noting Utah's experience in the PAC, I believe BYU should remain indy. It
will get old for Utah to have little success in their situation. It would get
really old for BYU fans, as they are more critical when BYU's success is lower
than what they feel is the standard for BYU. Bronco has already got after the
booster club for that exact same thing. Maybe if BYU had a chance to join the
Big East, it might be a little better for FB, but then BB is another matter. No
way BYU competes in the Big East, at least not for awhile. I think with BF
independence and the other sports in the WCC, that is a great situation for BYU.
I know it is hard to be left out and your main competitor is chosen to be in a
BCS conference. However, things will not always be the same. Let's wait &
see how things shake out - we may all be grateful & will see the wisdom of
BYU and its board of directors, The Church's General Authorities. Go BYU. Play
hard - win big. Let's win out and end up ranked at the end of the season.
Wow, I am in shock at the stubborn blindness of so many Cougar/Heaps fans that
they can't even give Nelson any credit for 2 games played and 2 W's. Let's
look at the stats so far this season-------QB efficiency. Nelson
162. Heaps 97(#114 out of 119 QB's)Completion%.
Nelson 60%. Heaps 54%TD's. Nelson 5
Heaps 3Long Completion. Nelson 40(2 times) Heaps 37Interceptions. Nelson 2. Heaps 5Attempts.
Nelson 45. Heaps 185Rushing.
Nelson 135 yds Heaps minus 61Rushing per carry. Nelson
5.4/carry. Heaps minus 5.1/carryNot to mention 2 of Heaps wins
were gifts from the Defense/Special Teams and Heaps best game statictically
was against Utah in a huge blowout!! Just give the guy a break considering he's
only had a few reps as a starter!
Riley Nelson completed half a dozen long-ish passes that Heaps has consistently
overthrown in every game he's played. Nelson is clearly the QB who can get it
done, and that's ALL that matters in a QB.
Riley Nelson is now the man.
OU812"All you bagging on Nelson, he already has more TD in a game and
a half then Heaps had all year.Against who? oh thats right San Jose
State...easy My grandmother has the same odds.lol
Southern FanGood one let me guess you stayed up all night for
that...lol If your so much morre in the know, make your arguement for Riley oh
and don't use these weak games to try and prove your point. Because anyone who
"knows" about football and can talk about football shouold be able to.
Good luck and try not to make yourself look as bad as your post against me
I am trying to figure out again what is worse, Chris B and ute fans or BYU fan
who cantinues to try to sale a bill of goods on Riley after giving a sub par
performance against San Jose State... and then the best thing they can come up
with against my post is wait for Bball season and a sport your can talk
about...really? come on someone make a good arguement... and please for the
love, don't use the arguement..Robert | 5:53 p.m. Oct. 9, 2011 Rexburg, ID Riley Nelson completed half a dozen long-ish passes that
Heaps has consistently overthrown in every game he's played. Nelson is clearly
the QB who can get it done, and that's ALL that matters in a QB.No,
that is not all that matters unless you want this team to be a well below
average football team and a joke of a program in the future.
Im happy BYU got the win but why cant they put 4 quarters of good football
together? That second half was a lackluster effort. The positive for the offense
is they didnt punt the entire game but the 3 turnovers were troubling, clean it
up Cougars and put it all together for 4 quarters. I did like what I saw from
Michael Alisa, he definately needs more carries. Keep Riley as the starter for
now he is playing well enough that he deserves to remain the starter.
Nelson played careless and was very lucky it was against SJSU. This will not
work going foward. Bronco has showed his hand with the offence going foward and
each team is either equal or better then SJSU. I will be a tough road ahead. I
would epect Heaps to be back in the line up soon.
Alisa was great, and should now start. He is the physical back the Cougars have
lacked, he runs it "downhill" or North/South without all the juking
around the other backs do, which shows to be just what the Cougars have needed.
I am happy to see the coaches are starting to look at playing the players who
make plays, who give it their all. Riley and Alisa will only get better if
allowed to play.
I alluded to this in my last post, but now I want answers. I keep reading
comments about Nelson's deficiencies and how Heaps should start, but now,
please, someone explain what they have seen from Heaps to suggest that he is the
answer! I can accept that Nelson may not be the future, but how, specifically,
is Heaps better right now?A good friend of mine (a Ute fan) called
Jake Heaps "Jake Hype". I can't dissagree. Heaps is a highly
recruited and exceptionally tallented young man with a lot of potential, a 50%
completion rate, and a bench-worthy QB rating. As I said before, he needs a ton
of work! Riley has his flaws, but he is winning and his energy is infectious.
If, as some suggest, Jake transfers, that will only prove to me that he didn't
belong in the first place. Mendenhall loves guys who earn their shot. Jake
more or less fell into his. Now is his chance to earn it and I hope he does.
It was wonderful to see passes to the tight ends. More pass plays in the middle
The one pass interception by Uale was a gift. It does not count as a great play
defensively, though it could have been a bad play if he had dropped it. The
defensive backs have a lot to prove going forward. i blame the schemes and the
prevent defense at this point. I don't know that anyone could play those
schemes and me more effective. Got to go more man to man and stay on them
close, like other teams play us. Our passes are usually completed with a
defensive player very close. Not true for our defense. We give the quarterback
wide open shots at us. Third and long - no problem!!!!!!
A great win over a quality opponent.Nice work.
'OU812"All you bagging on Nelson, he already has more TD in a game
and a half then Heaps had all year.Against who? oh thats right San
Jose State...easy My grandmother has the same odds.lol"'Your
grandmother may have the same odds but, I doubt Heaps would have been able to
effectively move the ball against San Jose St.
BYU fans and Utah fans have switched roles and it's very entertaining to see how
Cougar fans react at being in the backseat.The reality is that BYU is no
longer a football power, they've slipped so far down they are no longer near
Utah's level of class or talent, and just like during the years the Utes were
poor in football and their fans relished a BYU loss, it's now very similar,
Cougar fans have to get satisfaction from a Utah loss because the win against
SJSU was so bad.
Did someone actually say Riley was an "accurate" passer? Wow! Here
are the facts, Riley can't throw deep, he has little velocity in his passes. He
is not a Pro-style QB. Airforce is the type of offense he would excell in. San
Jose St made changes in the second half with the intent to make Riley pass.
That brought two interceptions, should have been three. Teams like TCU, GA
Tech, Notre Dame, Texas, Utah, and Boise St. will not be impressed with Riley's
speed. I would rather see James Lark out there showing his stuff over Riley.
Riley is not an answer because he is too limited. Didn't we already see that
with Riley last year?
"It was wonderful to see passes to the tight ends. More pass plays in the
middle please."Agreed! If the Y can get more passes to the
Tight Ends (they had 4 completions for 82 yards and a TD in Saturday's game) it
will open up things for the receivers downfield. If a team has to keep 7 'in
the box' or within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage to deal with the TE's,
you'll see Apo and Jacobson get a lot more 20-30 yard gains, and then the RB's
will see more daylight as well.
Nelson and TebowBYU and the Denver Broncos have much in common. Both
have running QB's now and both fan bases have the illusion that things are going
to be great going forward. BYU used to be fun to watch with their wide open
offense - sort of like Bose St today - but those days are long gone. Yes the Y
will beat the cup cakes like San Jose St. but wait till they play TCU. YIKES!!
If you are content watching a passing offense being reduced to an Airforce style
running attack then I guess the Nelson/Doman offense is for you!! Have fun with
it. My advise to Jake Heaps - TRANSFER or see your career die a slow death. Put
Jake in a system with a corrdinator like Norm Chow or a head coach like Steve
Sarkisian or maybe a coordinator like Brad Anae (take a look at Jakes stat's
last year) and you get an average of 300+ yards per game.
Run Nelson Run!!! Get used to it Y fans for the next 2 painful years at least!!
bballjunkie,It's "sell", not "sale". Speaking of
which, I'm "selling" the following:Football is a violent,
gritty, physical game. Riley Nelson is much better prepared than Jake Heaps at
this stage in their development to play it. He is physically, mentally and
socially considerably more mature. He did make mistakes, in fact, if you go
review his post game comments he points each of them out himself, giving himself
a "C" for his performance. If Jake, and the coaching staff, take this
opportunity to absorb free lessons, they can get a lot of mileage from this.
I happen to know Southern Fan very well and he actually knows football. He
also knows the Nelsons, Larks and many other players and coaches on the team,
football that is. In fact, he and I both played with one of the Y coaches,
again, that would be football. Simply put, he's right about Riley; Riley's a
football player. Riley will be great. It will be fun. I hope, as a Y fan, you
can enjoy the remainder of the season.
Great start for Nelson. But as bad as San Jose State is what happend in the
second half? Nelson benefited from the question of who would be the
starter. But by half time he had run out of gas. or did the crash corse on the
continment rules for San Jose State defense cause Nelson to be unsuccessful. I
am not conviced that it was a good idea to take the playcalling of past games
out on Heaps. Doman has a lot of responsibility to bear in Heaps lack of
confidence. Nelson will not benefit from the unknown that was the QB
situation last week. once that was settled, Nelson was not effective and that
was against San Jose St Not a PAC 12 school. I expect to see Heaps
get back into the action at OSU. Once Nelson is contained he is a liability to
the offense. BYU defense knew it all spring, San Jose St found out that by half
time. I do not think that OSU will miss that fact in the film from last week,
The cause of BYUs lackluster second half.
Folks....seriously. The rants between BYU and Utah fans are really cracking me
up. It really reminds me how glad I am to have a real college football team to
root for (Alabama) that plays in a real BCS power conference. Your fighting over
nobodies.The only fun a Utah fan can have right now is the fact that
you beat your main rival by 44 points. However, your main rival is really bad.
They have 4 wins against bad teams. Yep...they beat an SEC Team but so will all
the other SEC teams and by many more points than BYU. Vanderbilt beat them by
23. I still feel strongly that other than the 1996 team that beat a good Kansas
State team and only lost to a good Washington team no others have been any good.
The 1984 bit is a joke. Best team they played was either Hawaii or Air Force
(both power houses??) and they beat the 5th place Big Ten Michigan Team for a
National Championship. That's weak.Then Utah. 0-3 in the second
weakest BCS conference and now all the talk about "a tough game every
week". Wow....it just gets funnier.
Just wondering if all the BYU Fans that think you are part of something really
special (either now or anytime over the past 30 years) realize that your Cougs
are 94-160 against BCS schools or Independents.Not too impressive
and for sure not reflective of a School with a great history and tradition
unless beating MWC and WAC schools is thought to be impressive.BTW...Big SEC Fan. Real college football for over 60 years. Now that's
tradition and history.Sure makes me want to go buy a hat with a big
Y on it or get a "Band of Brothers" shirt, or "Rise Up", or
go for the "Quest for Perfection", or whatever you come up with next.
How about scheduling 3 SEC teams in a season along with 3 Big 12 Teams, and 3
Big Ten Teams. Your Indy now....no excuses. Play a real schedule.
BallJunkie,A fan is a fan, nothing more, nothing less. You cheer for and
support someone else who does something, you don't DO anything yourself. No
kidding, the SEC has tougher teams? News flash. These are our teams, our
schools, just like everyone else in the country who does not live in the SEC. To
be honest, even watching our children in little league ball is exciting. There's
nothing like a Friday night at the local HS stadium. In both of these cases it's
just having someone to cheer for that makes it great. So, you are no
better, nor I more diminished a person because of who I cheer for. If anything
is laughable, or maybe even pathetic, it's that someone would portray a social
stratification dependent upon what fan base one belongs to. It's sports, nothing
Shoot, Alisa beat the Spartans. Nelson fell apart at the end.
And so it hits rock bottom. You accept that it's a lower level and are just
happy with it. I've seen this for 10 years and get on a plane 3-4 times a year
during college football season to go see something top end. Enjoy the lower
levels you have always been there.
I accept nothing more, or less, than enjoyment of being a spectator. I'm sure
you'll discount the win at Ole' Miss because it's a down year for them.
Nevertheless, that would make that particular SEC school below rock bottom, your
words and logic, not mine. I don't think Ole' Miss, or BYU, are that level. In
fact, both statistics and history would support that.I think I get your
point, though. No one should be happy supporting anyone or anything unless it's
number 1. Oh well, I think the general populous, like myself, often cheers for
who we know, like our kids and their friends. They all can't play for number 1
, but they can play and give their best effort whierever they end up.I think it's great that you believe in your team/s enough to get on a plane
and support them. Good for you. In the mean time I will try to be happy
cheering for my kids and their friends, even though you, some fan from South
Jordan, find them somehow unworthy of support.