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  • American man WOODS CROSS, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Irritabull, 6:50PM, Oct.9,2011

    If you know the voting machines are rigged, you must know who did the rigging. If you do know who did this voting machine rigging you are duty bound as a citizen of the U.S.A. to report them to the FBI. If you don't know who the voting machine riggers are, you should not be allowed to write on this news vine.

  • American man WOODS CROSS, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 6:44 p.m.

    Hutterite, 6:48PM, Oct.9, 2011
    American Fork, UT

    I have to disagree with your opinion that religion needs to be kept out of the political arena at all cost.

    Get out your KJV of the Holy Bible, Turn to ISAIAH 9:6-7.

    6)For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    7)Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of host will perform this.

    I don't have any poll results, however I think most people will agree this is a Christian nation although other religions are welcome. If you are of a Christian religion you can not deny Isaiah 9:6 and 7.

  • Filo Doughboy Bakersfield, CA
    Oct. 10, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    joeyjr- you nailed it!

    One reason that Protestant Christians in my 'hood are leary of many strong Mormon politicians is exactly that-
    their changing world view and unpredictable doctrinal/paradigm shift. If they claim to be devout LDS, are they bound to follow their prophet's admonition to the letter? If they claim, as Mitt did, that their "religion does not dictate their policies", then are they only using religion as a draw to their constituency? If his church prophet receives a revelation that polygamy is back on, will he work to legitimize it? The same question for his previous gay marriage position.

    The LDS senator from Idaho seems more consistent in policy positions, as do Huntsman and Hatch. There is more confidence in the consistency, in politics and parenting alike. They asked JFK if he would be honor-bound to the Pope's dictates, and rightly so. I would vett a serious Muslim before supporting him, say, on a one-issue platform. If he passes my test, it's still a possibility he may change positions, and that is our political right in America.

    I suggest that the thin-skinned stop crying "hatred" towards Mormons when it's only asking responsible vetting.

  • My Humble Opinion Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Pagan: This is just one of many pledges candidates are being asked to sign. These are no different than any other broken promises candidates from both parties have been making for years. Signing a pledge is meant to help people sleep better at night, but nothing is going to come of it. This will just be another broken promise rather than a witch hunt.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    The only time Romney's faith concerned me...

    is when he started using it as a weapon.

    *'Three GOP Presidential Candidates Sign Pledge To Investigate LGBT Community' - Stephen D. Foster Jr. - Addicting Info - 08/16/11

    'Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Santorum have all signed a pledge to form a commission to investigate the LGBT community if elected President.'

    The Pledge reads, in part:

    'Four, establish a presidental comission on religious liberty to investigate (sic) reports of Americans who have been harassed or threatened for excercising key civil rights...'

    Am I preventing your 'key civil rights' by posting this...?

    Some would claim so.

    As such, this 'pledge' is nothing more than a witch hunt. Delcaring things as 'un-American' instead of creating a standard to adhere by.

    This, among many things, worries me about Mitt Romney.

    *'Romney: God wants US to lead, not follow' - By Steve Peoples - AP - Published by DSNews - 10/07/11

    We have heard this rhetoric with 'God', before....

    'I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God.' - Osama Bin Laden

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2011 9:05 a.m.

    Talked with friends from other states this weekend. They say the Republican field is lacking in credible candidates. Although President Obama has let the country down in many areas, they say they feel that whoever was the President now, and whoever will be the next President, may be facing problems just too large and too serious to repair.
    As these people, etc. are older, and have watched politics for many years, the do not recall any other President being treated in such a disrespectful way. They cannot recall a Republican or Democratic group of legislators ever saying, from day one, that their first and foremost job was to make sure that the President was not elected to another term.
    No thought for this county, the citizens, the Earth, foreign policy...... Republicans ultimate goal is to destroy this Presidency.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    @the truth
    "bringing everyone BACK to the biblical tent, away from creeds of men, and versions of christianity started by a roman emperor and other men."

    The LDS church is only growing as fast as the US population when one would expect faster than US population growth due to the higher birth rates among LDS members. It's percentage share of the US population is virtually unchanged the past 18 years (ARIS survey 1990-2008).

    "Do you really think God is the author chaos, anarchy, confusion, contention, multiple flavors of christianity, multiple interpretations of the bible?

    Don't you believe that that was the case? Yes, I know you'll say you don't believe that God allows for multiple flavors or interpretations so I'll ask this... doesn't your belief of the state of religion in the year 1500 mean that you believe there was a time where God did allow this sort of thing to occur?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    @Joey D
    "Harry Reid has caused more bad will toward Mormons then anyone will ever know. "

    Harry Reid is one of the indirectly good things for Mormonism. The fact that there's a high level leader who clearly isn't controlled by salt lake, and the fact that he's proof that Mormons can be Democrats. Unfortunately... some Mormons conform to the cult label ascribed to them by saying that Reid should be excommunicated or not be considered temple-worthy. Gallup survey results show that 50% of liberal LDS members are inactive compared to 20% of all LDS members. Many liberals do not feel welcome in this church because of their political views and Harry Reid can be a good example to those people of someone who is part of the church and is a liberal.

  • joeyjr Bakersfield, CA
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:39 p.m.

    the truth-
    I find the differences of opinions among non-LDS churches a very minor in comparison to the LDS's doctrine regarding plural marriage (BOM - it's a sin/D and C 132 - it's not a sin/Manifesto 1890 - it's a sin) and the Trinity (BOM - it's scriptural/Joseph Smith - Teaching, p. 372 where it's 3 gods) as being HUGE contradictions where one could imply that it may be many churches with the same name.

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    The Headline

    "Romney responds to Mormon flare-up; Perry passes"

    Once again Romney and Perry make the news (somehow) and Ron Paul gets ignored, even though he was the winner of the straw pole, Go figure.

  • Irritabull CHESTER, NE
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    Romney and Perry are getting all the press and TV debate time and all the time
    The real front runners are Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. Romney and Perry are just
    more of the same that the powers behind the scene stuff down the publics throat
    election year after election year. Makes little difference as we get what the
    VNS (Voter News Service) tells us and we have no way of confirming or denying
    the results with the rigged voting machines, rigged polls,etc.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    There wouldn't be a 'mormon flare up' if we could figure out that religion divides us and needs to be kept out of the political arena at all costs.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    Conservative activists are gearing up to shut down Mitt Romney's candidacy before it can gain too much steam. Michelle Cottle on the obstacles facing the anti-Mitt movement.

    More proof that Mitt Romney is the best man to be President.

  • kenny Sterling Heights, MI
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    This cult thing is designed to bring fear into the minds of the not well informed voter.What can you do.......not too much.This time in the election process is designed to destroy the oponent at any and all cost and that is exactally what they are trying to do.They dont really care what Mitt Romney is for that matter. All they know is they want someone else as president and not Mitt Romney. If I were Mitt, I would head back to making millions and not bother with this political stuff. It would not be a loss to him........but a real gain to Mitt and all the good people in this world. Or just fight it out tooth and nails and take the bruises and probably not get elected in the end.Is that what you want Mitt?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    RE: Shazandra

    Actually it may payback for bringing everyone BACK to the biblical tent, away from creeds of men, and versions of christianity started by a roman emperor and other men.

    Do you really think God is the author chaos, anarchy, confusion, contention, multiple flavors of christianity, multiple interpretations of the bible?

    ...One Lord, one faith, one baptism...

    I am not sure what you would expect God to say, and his prophet to report, if men had gone so far astray from the original church and gospel necessitating a restoration.

  • Shazandra Bakersfield, CA
    Oct. 9, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    JJJHS in Bev Hills: Who drew first blood in this legitimacy fight?

    Which religion in 1830 told the rest of the entire Christian world that they were "all wrong, their ministers corrupt", and their Holy Bible inaccurate? That this new denomination was the real deal, the "only true church on the face of the earth"?

    That no one but their members could get into the highest part of heaven? That contrary to the grace afforded to believers in Christ, if they drank coffee, tea, alcohol, smoked, or did not accept Joseph Smith as prophet, Christ's blood would not get them into His and the Father's kingdom?

    That what God's Word had claimed for centuries about Him being the Only One any where in the universe (Isaiah 42-46), now a new one was being revealed: a pantheon of polygamist gods and godesses...

    This is paybacks for leaving the Biblical tent, adding your own requirements, and changing your worship to another God.
    Come back any time. Jesus invites all, "while it is called Today". (Hebrews 3)

    Oct. 9, 2011 3:42 p.m.

    This could be an opportunity for the Mormons to remember what it is like to be a misunderstood minority. Perhaps mormons can learn to treat other minorities similarly misunderstood in the same respectful manner they would like to be treated. Start with the gays.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    You know if you don't like somebodies rhetoric on TV or Radio, turn it off. With Presidential politics, it's a different story..in your face manipulative conversation, truth be danged...

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 9, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    "Joey D | 7:36 a.m. Oct. 9, 2011
    Harry Reid has caused more bad will toward Mormons then anyone will ever know. "

    Sorry, that title goes to Glen Beck and his divisive and hate mongering speech.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    @Joey D: Facts, please. Or just your opinion?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    The 400 pound Gorilla with the Romney campaign. The religion card can only be paid by Republicans.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    I loved Bill Bennets responce. He torn in to that pastor like I have never befor seen.

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Romney indeed took the high road required by the Savior of civility and respect for others in our time. However it is possible that the incivility could be described as modern day Pharisees who Jesus soundly denounced in ancient times. Pharisees seem to think they can tell God himself what his agenda should be and judge others with the same impunity. Sure glad they will find they have been fighting against God and that He never knew them, even if they say they do and use his name. God will judge between me and thee, until then Treat others with respect and civility, and let Him judge who has the right and authority to judge.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    "Cult" is such a loaded term. It has no place in any polite, civil, or political discourse. Shame on our evangelical friends who tend to throw it around like yesterday's weather report--especially when they use it to describe millions of their fellow Americans.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Best to learn to respect other cultures, other nationalities, and other religions. Try to say some nice things about "others" once in a while :) That's the only way all the fighting will ever stop. The "We are the only real Church" philosophy (whisper, whisper), will never garner the friendships and voters many are so wishing for. Leave that old way behind, and begin anew.
    Leaving the Mormon superiority thing back in the past would be such a pleasant way to begin these changes. Possibly other religions would feel less threatened by Mormons? Most people in America are looking for people who can think and act in such a kind, accepting of all, mindset.

    Oct. 9, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    Harry Reid has caused more bad will toward Mormons then anyone will ever know. Why would the nation as a whole want someone of the same faith? Fat chance Mitt and Jon.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    If not countered with common sense and civility, these shrill Evangelical "Christians" will be the downfall of the Republican party. Their penchant for labels and childish name-calling are, at best, a needless distraction from the problems facing the country. Romney did the right thing yesterday by mostly staying out of the muck in which some of the Evangelicals continue to stir.

  • MrsB1971 Kissimmee, FL
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:21 a.m.

    Just the fact that Perry hasn't spoken out about Jeffress and what he said, speaks volumes about Perry's lack of character. This is a man who wants to be the President of people who are many different religions, if he has an attitude like that, I shudder to think what he would do with his position and power.

    As for Jeffress, he reminds me of Jeremiah Wright, remember him?

  • IdahoStranger NEWDALE, ID
    Oct. 9, 2011 6:01 a.m.

    What is so unfortunate about all of these GOP Debates, is that they spend most of their time and money bashing each other.

    What this country needs is education regarding the Constitution and its limitations on the power of the federal government. And an understanding of basic economic principles and the fallacy of taking from A and giving to B.

    How much better off would our country and all of the candidates be if they referred people to their websites for their stand on the issues or encouraged people to google On the Issues to see what they have said and how they have voted. And then used those millions of dollars to provide basic education on principles instead of differences of the candidates?

    Instead they play the debate games where half truths and innuendos abound and they let the liberal news media set the agenda. Its time for something different not only in the way Washington governs but also in the way we conduct political campaigns. As currently practiced, the truth is very difficult to find. Americans need to wake up and do their own research and not just vote the way the media wants you to.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:42 a.m.

    My fellow LDS, Remeber this, where they hate one religion, they will hate another. Will you also line up with people who call for religious rights of certain religions to be stepped on because they are not Christian? This ugly bigotry is not only aimed at Mormons but Muslims and Jews. Be not part of this hate?

    When they are done coming after Muslims and Jews, they will come after you. Recall the LDS fleeing Missouri and don't ever think it can't happen again. For those who call to have any religious grope, ethnicity rounded up, they will easily call to round up LDS.

    Join with people of faith who spread love, the light of Christ, not those who would wield religiousower to ruleeopke with fear and hatred.

    Perry distanced himself but did not denouce this the monger. He will not take a stand. Plenty of other candidates who do not need hate mongers as their supporters.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2011 12:16 a.m.

    All the Fox News-loving Mormons should read the comments on the Fox News website about their church and see what company you all are keeping. Wow.

  • Lilljemalm Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    All this kind of stuff is pointing out to my neighbors and colleagues one thing - that Evangelicals tend to be fanatical and uneducated and that Mormons are generally middle of the road types of calm demeanor and common sense views. All this is making the LDS Church look good and the evangelical protestants look bad.

  • watcher@75 SMITHFIELD, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 4:16 p.m.

    Romney's response was very appropriate. He stayed on political topic by not allowing himself to be pulled into a none presidential candidacy debate.

  • Everest American Fork, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    Romney is in a no-win situation with this issue. It's enough to make him head back to the private sector and make another few hundred million. Evangelicals are going to be trouble for Mitt. There's just too much money and pride at stake for folks to back off the Mormon issue. It will probably get uglier from here, because it's looking more and more likely that Mitt is the one to beat.

  • Meg Portage, MI
    Oct. 8, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    It's a shame Romney didn't take the opportunity to affirm the centrality of Jesus Christ to his personal and institutional worship. True, he wanted to address the economy, etc., but the point was raised yesterday and many across the country were waiting to hear his response. He could have addressed it simply--stood for truth and righteousness--and moved on. I don't care for Romney, but I would have liked him better if he had taken this one straight on.

  • Kirk R Graves West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    The stupidest part about the "not a Christian" retoric, is that it won't even help Perry. Those that don't like Romney because of his religion aren't going to vote for him anyway. Those that don't care will just get turned off by such comments. I happen to believe that evangelicals are smarter and better than that. When it comes down to Romney vs Obama, religion is not going to matter to any but the most vitriolic.
    In the meantime, Perry might attract more of the South in the primaries due to these comment, but it won't be enough to make up for those he loses that are disgusted by it.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Oct. 8, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Various sources tell us that this "religious discourse" is just getting started.
    It is supposed to get very nasty, ugly, and cause a great deal of strife for many.
    You think the DN writes too much about Romney now........Just wait.