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  • HS Sport Dude South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 11, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    Just wondering if all the BYU Fans that think you are part of something really special (either now or anytime over the past 30 years) realize that your Cougs are 94-160 against BCS schools or Independents.

    Not too impressive and for sure not reflective of a School with a great history and tradition unless beating MWC and WAC schools is thought to be impressive.

    BTW...Big SEC Fan. Real college football for over 60 years. Now that's tradition and history.

    Sure makes me want to go buy a hat with a big Y on it or get a "Band of Brothers" shirt, or "Rise Up", or go for the "Quest for Perfection", or whatever you come up with next. How about scheduling 3 SEC teams in a season along with 3 Big 12 Teams, and 3 Big Ten Teams. Your Indy now....no excuses. Play a real schedule.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Oct. 8, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    Memo to all the BYU haters. Some of you have predicted the slow and steady demise of BYU athletics, but here's my question.

    Do you really want to see that happen?

    Think about it. Those of you who hate BYU truly need them to stick around just as much as those who love BYU. If Cougar sports were to go the way of eight-track tapes, what would you have left to troll about?

    Sure, you could troll about the ups and downs of Utah State or Weber State, but would it really be as satisfying as trolling about the Cougars in Provo?

    Imagine if Pringles got rid of all their potato chips flavors except Original. For those of you who enjoy adult beverages, imagine if the only alcoholic drink left in the world was 3.2 beer.

    The fact is, no matter what conference BYU sports teams are in, or not in, the more they are hated, mocked and trolled against, the greater the hidden message is revealed. That message is, "Don't go away BYU! We hate you too much to see you disappear."

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 11:53 p.m.

    GO COUGARS!

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    While BYU was thought to be ahead of TCU on the list of potential candidates, the Cougars' chances have reportedly dropped the past few days.

    "There is some rigidity at BYU in terms of what they will and won't do," said a source of the school, which doesn't play games on Sunday. "Some of it has to do with church rules, and also the way they engage with media partners."

    How do they engage media partners?

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    Max, that's sad.
    I have said for months, I don't see why so many people think belonging to a BCS conference is so great. The money is good but other than that it isn't a big deal, look at the Arizona's & Arizona St's and now Utah, being in the middle or at the bottom of a BCS conf. doesn't make you a great program. Winning makes you a great program, Utah won in 04 & 08 and that made them relavent, now if they continue to lose, they will return to being irrelavent.
    BYU has made themselves relevant over the last 40 yrs, by winning and the style of play they present and that is why ESPN was excited to team with them.
    BYU has and will always stand alone in alot of ways and I'm just fine with that. The only true church on the face of the earth, only church with living prophets & apostles, only church with the true priesthood, only church that observes the sabbath, to keep it holy, only church with Temples, so many things could be added, standing alone when you have the truth is a wonderful thing and I'm more thanOKto stand with them.

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Oct. 7, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Hilarious comments from my friends that wear red.

    You promote that your U put a 54 - 10 beatdown on BYU to make U look like a great team from the PAC. At the same time, you care so much to suggest that BYU is such an irrelevent program that no one wants them in their wonderful and awesome BCS conference. Yet, your signature win of the season was against the irrelevent Cougars. Can't have it both ways redmen.

    Go Cougars and every team that plays U.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 7, 2011 6:39 a.m.

    PAC 10.2 Doormat | 10:26 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011
    Springville, UT
    @54-10

    Better to be a team building toward a Pac 10 future taking on good opponents worth paying to watch then getting fat and overpaying for WAC opponents.

    True champions want to keep taking on greater and greater foes like Utah does, Utah smacked ALabama, them took time on the side to smack BYU 54-10.

    If Utah is a Pac 10 doormat, BYU is the dust under the bacteria that is under the doormat. BYU gets lucky over USU-CHoke University and now you feel all mighty? Let me remind you that Utah beat up on Nelson too. Where was your long haired hero guy in that game? Oh yeah, fumbling.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Oct. 7, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    I have to wonder if the Lavell Edwards cougars would have been invited somewhere by now. Lavell knew that football was all about the players and that football was just a game and that the players and the coaches were not prophets and apostles and that good things happen if you just play hard and speak graciously to the media. Today, BYU football is known for being whiny and sanctimonious. They are the anointed ones. Frankly, it is getting nauseating. I was a HUGE BYU fan back in the Lavell days. Now I cheer for his boys in red (Kyle, Aaron, and Kalani)

  • Arynen Midvale, UT
    Oct. 7, 2011 1:05 a.m.

    I love how everyone is posting up what BYU / Tom Holmoe / Big 12 is or is not doing. None of you know, and you're all getting worked up about assumptions. Is it possible that the Big 12 has contacted BYU about an invite? Yes. Is it possible that they haven't? Yes. Do any of you know? No! The only things we know as fact are that BYU is keeping silent and the Big 12 media outlets had BYU at the top of the Big 12's list of possible expansion invites until recently. There is a lot going on behind closed doors, and it's really ridiculous to get all worked up about what we don't know. Sit back and enjoy the ride people.

    And sorry Ute trolls; BYU will never fall into irrelevance. Lets get real here. It's sad that even with Utah moving to the Pac-12 due to recent success, you all still feel threatened enough by the boys in blue to post your irrational conjectures. It's almost as if you fear you will never be relevant in your new conference, so you belittle BYU for choosing it's own destiny to make yourselves feel better.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    D'Aconia: The same kind of humble pie you are & will be eating- when your Utes do not qualify for a bowl game this year and BYU does & also ends up ranked at the end of the year?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    @ PAC 10.2 Doormat | 10:26 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011
    Springville, UT

    Sammyg is in so much pain.

    54-10

    LOL

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:49 p.m.

    So, what is the better press announcement?

    We did not get an invitation from the Big 12.

    We got an invitation to the Big 12 and turned it down.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    "As TCU is a private school, their conference affiliation is not controlled by state politicians."

    Yes, but Texas is Texas and they will take care of themselves and their interests by leaning on the big 12 before BYU can do anything. No TCU does not bring a home run but it doesn't need to, it just needs to exist in Texas.

    I called this a month ago when A&M split. Look it up. There is no sensible reason for TCU to join because all they have is 1 BCS bowl they lost. They don't bring a larger footprint or more eyeballs. They don't bring decades of glory, their facilities are tiny in comparison. The alumni base is tiny.

    What do they have? Texas power brokers behind the scenes and so does SMU, Houston. Most o any new Big 12 expansion will be from Texas. You really think the Big 12 wanted BAYLOR last go around? It was politics.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @PAC 10.2 Doormat

    "Help Wanted" better than "Not Wanted".

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:26 p.m.

    @54-10

    Classified Ads noticed in Tribune...

    "Help Wanted - QB"

    "Help Wanted - Someone to blame for Ute 5-7 season"

    "Help Wanted - Someone good at giving excuses for Pac 10.2 Ute 0-3 season, immediate position, must be able to work by 4pm Saturday"

    "Help Wanted - Marketing / Sales - needs to be creative in selling a 'bill of goods' to long time season ticket holders for struggling program"

    7-47 to

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    I have said it before and now it really appears to be relevant. As a BYU basketball season ticket holder, why would I want to go over to the Marriot Center on a cold snowy winter night and watch Kansas, Kansas State, Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri play when I could see prairie view A&m, Midwestern state, Longwood, Dixie State, BYU Hawaii, Portand, San Francisco, Pepperdine, and San Diego play. Stay independent Mr Holmoe, when the Marriot Center and LES are half full, I will be able to upgrade my tickets. You have succeeded at everything you have ever done. You don't owe the loyal fans any explanation for anything.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:06 p.m.

    So why hasn't the DNews used it's relationship with the Church to get the inside scoop on what's been going on with this? Even if it's that no offer was made, we'd love to hear that--- anything definitive would be better than all the rumors!

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    JustGordon and the rest of you Utah trolls: This article isn't even about BYU.

    To the moderator: Why are you allowing these negative comments about BYU, when nothing in the article even mentions BYU. It is all about TCU and Missouri, it looks like to me.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    @ ChrisB

    quote "You think recruits want to play for a team going to the Rose Bowl or a team that no BCS conference wants and that has 0 percent chance at ever going to a BCS game?"

    Well I guess that eliminates any team from Jutah. Sun Devils would go dismantle Utah this weekend...but Utah was already dismantled...

    Utah vs Colorado/Oregon St. for the PAC-12 Toilet Bowl!!!! Mu ha ha ha ha

    Go DEVILS!!!!!!!

    P.S. State of Utah is completely irrelevant to the rest of football country.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    Chris B: Irrelevant like someone we all know?

    Patriot: Do you have a crystal ball?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    @ PAC 10.2 Doormat | 8:13 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011
    Springville, UT

    ...oh how it hurts.

    And your team quit.

    LOL

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    Big 12 is standing pat on 10......

    Byu is out for now.....

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:50 p.m.

    PAC 10.2 Doormat said:

    "So funny to see the Ute fans commenting on this TCU / BYU story when their team doesn't have snowball's chance in Pasadena to do anything in the Pac 10.2

    0-3 by 3pm Saturday.

    Hilarious!"

    So funny to see the BYU fans poke fun at Utah being in the PAC 12. At least the Utes are in a BCS conference. And BYU, well nobody wants them. That is Hilarious!

  • BleedingBlue Provo, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    If playing on Sunday for any of the BYU sports programs is the blocking barrier, then I don't want to join any of the conferences. Principle before sports, yes I would like to be in a BCS conference, no I do not want BYU to bend on the Sunday issue. BYU is capable of playing and being competitive in any conference, will they become irrelevant, not a chance.

    I still do not get the vitriol hatred Ute fan posters have for anything BYU. If we were so irrelevant, then way do the post? If we are so insignificant, why do they care?

    Go Cougars!
    And I do not hold any grudge against Utahs teams for any stupid Ute fan, Go Utes!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Good for TCU.

    Buh-Bye Big East football.

    As for BYU, you never know. Colorado was invited to the PAC-12 before the Utes. I wouldn't say never. They'll do what's best for them.

    Still, got to win your games on Saturday....

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt -

    As TCU is a private school, their conference affiliation is not controlled by state politicians. Yes, this invite is less about market share than it is about stability, and yes, they are keeping UT-Austin happy, but the Big 12 is a far superior offer for TCU than the Big East was.

    TCU also has a great baseball program and the Big 12 is a more natural fit for them than the Big East.

    (BYU alum, but TCU supporter)

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    Wake up BYU fan, of course TCU brings nothing to the Big 12, they already makes big money and get big exposure. TCU is a move to stabilize a conference and appease the politicians in Texas. You think the attitude of that state doesn't show up in their politics? Many Texas Universities have the same track record in football as BYU, lower level bowls except they show up and win. No one but the WAC and MWC and WCC will bend to Sunday play issue just for BYU. BYU brings nothing to the table that would counteract that issue. Enjoy paying a lot of money for WAC home games.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    @ Bluto,

    That was an interesting little nugget you dropped: Big East expanding nationwide with Western and Eastern divisions.

    Maybe BYU already knows that if they snubbed the B12.

    We KNOW that BYU was in discussions with the B12, Holmoe even said so. Therefore, if B12 membership didn't work out, then either independence will remain the course, or the Big East (which was once rumored to be interested in BYU, remember?) will take teams like you've indicated, which should have enough BCS wins among them to retain BCS status as a conference.

    THEN, it's still 6 BCS conferences as it's always been since the BCS was organized.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    So funny to see the Ute fans commenting on this TCU / BYU story when their team doesn't have snowball's chance in Pasadena to do anything in the Pac 10.2

    0-3 by 3pm Saturday.

    Hilarious!

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    Conference realignment isn't over and I will remain one Utah fan who hopes that BYU gets into a BCS conference. While I do believe that the BYU football program will be OK in independance, it does deserve a seat at the BCS table. All of the other sports programs deserve to be in a top tier conference also.

  • ViperGuy Farside of The Moon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    mgr63: "The only thing that BYU had to offer the Big 12 was their accounting program and law school.......certainly not sports or their cheap fans. Plus, we in the Big 12 take pride in our BBQ.......not green Jell-O."

    I'm begging you please stop! I am laughing way too much!! Stop please,,,mercy!!

    BYU....oh my heck! Gosh darn it! BYU in the BIG12.....when monkeys fly!!!!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    If BYU did indeed turn down the B12 awhile back, then that provides one explanation for extending the Boise State matchup to 12 years---to make sure those games will be on TV one way or another.

    Could even replace the Utes as BYU's yearly matchup. Wouldn't THAT get the trolls' goats!

    P.S. Bye-bye fairweather BYU fans who've felt the tease of membership in the B12 and will quit following the Cougars if they stay independent. Who needs fans like that!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    The only thing that BYU had to offer the Big 12 was their accounting program and law school.......certainly not sports or their cheap fans. Plus, we in the Big 12 take pride in our BBQ.......not green Jell-O.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Biggest question; Where is Bluto and Ducky??

    LOL!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    @Mgr63

    Seriously how many times are you going to post on this thread?
    Or, how many times will the D-News allow your sophomoric comments to post?
    Whatever happened to the 2 post limit?
    That is one Huge BYU shadow consuming all of your thoughts..

    BYU is fine either way.
    Independence, ESPN, 5 Stable Conferences instead of 4 Super Conferences, bodes well for BYU and other Independents.

    Big 12 will hold at 10 most likely.
    Missouri stays, that's it.
    Missouri goes, Louisville is up next.

    I don't think BYU wanted to have all those Olympic Sport Teams making 1200 mile road trips. They certainly were not going to give up their own network, re-broadcasts or capitulate to Sunday play.

    They'll be fine. Their schedule gets much better in future years.

    Also don't rule out the Big East forging a "Continental Conference" with the Big East and some Western schools pairing up, for football only.

    Notre Dame needs the Big East for their other sports.

    BYU
    Boise St.
    Air Force
    Colorado St.
    Houston
    SMU

    UConn
    Rutgers
    Cincinatti
    West Virginia
    S. Florida
    Navy/CFU

    Big East Football survives, keeps BCS status, punks Craig Thompson.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    This will go down as big of a folly as for the church as city creek center. These are, for a better lake of words very poor business decision. This will grow into the demise of competetive athletics at the Y. A very said day but as with most ventures in the church they need to realize when they are just pumping money into a sinking ship.

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    I feel for BYU but I'm enjoying the fact that some of its most arrogant fans are eating some humble pie tonight.

  • apexhunter Dick\'s Sporting Goods, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    mgr63 "Would BYU accept a Big Sky Conference invite? I wanna see Montana St. beat the Y every year."

    That is beyond hilarious and looking how Montana is playing it is spot on! Well played sir....well played!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    statman9 said:

    "To those who have heard rumors,

    If BYU would have been invited, then we would have heard about it. TCU was invited, but they haven't accepted it yet, they are considering it still."

    What? The TCU president already said that they look forward to old rivalries again. And already working on paying the Big East exit fee.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    At this point, all I'd like to hear is one of two things:

    1) BYU had the invite and turned it down for whatever reason

    -or-

    2) There was never any invite extended

    At that point, I'd be ready to embrace the next 10 years of Independence until the program probably gets dropped...

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    @ mgr63 | 6:14 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011
    DALLAS, TX

    Well said. Montana State gave Utah a better game than Tom in CA's Cougars, and when Montana State got down, they didn't quit.

  • Justmythoughts Richfield, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    wow...I am so disappointed. I think this means that BYU will never be in the Big 12. So far, I've not been to impressed with the whole "independent" thing. Hopefully Missouri will leave for the SEC and we will have another shot.

  • rok San Diego, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    If it turns out that the Big 12 wanted BYU and BYU snubbed their noses at the Big 12, I will cease to ever cheer for BYU again.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    Oral Roberts, Liberty U and BYU should form their own conference. The competition would be great! Go Cougars!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    Would BYU accept a Big Sky Conference invite? I wanna see Montana St. beat the Y every year.

  • statman9 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    To those who have heard rumors,

    If BYU would have been invited, then we would have heard about it. TCU was invited, but they haven't accepted it yet, they are considering it still.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    @Tom in CA
    "What else do you wanna talk about?"

    The next thing we will talk about is 0-3 after the ASU tromping on Saturday.

    --------

    At least ASU will give you something to cheer about. We all know your own team can't on and off the field.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    @Ravenal

    Nice to see the Ute trolls making a big deal about TCU seemingly getting the invite first.

    -----------

    Come on now. We all know how BYU fans were all over Utah for being "2nd choice" behind Texas for PAC-12.

    It's just ironic how those same fans, who should now please rise up, have nothing to say about being passed over (so far) for TCU.

  • The Cucamongan Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    Holmoe is either going to go on record as BYU's finest AD or the worst. All indications reveal that it will be the latter.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    Hey Y fans......it it the hand or the finger that you keep getting?.......so much for speculation......congrats TCU! Now, if SMU gets an invite the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex will be electric with a new Big 12 rivalry.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    With some of what I'm hearing on Twitter and other news feeds something happened over the weekend that pretty much moved BYU off the list of prospective invitees, and I suspect when this prospective move was discussed at church headquarters it was rejected. Missouri clearly hurt their chances of going to the SEC when an official made it clear they wanted the Big Ten in all reality, and word has it Missouri no longer has the votes to join the SEC. But with what has gone down, BYU will NEVER be considered for a BCS league. Some of the church leaders wish to end the rivalry with Utah, and some want to go further and curtail or completely go the route of Rexburg and eliminate athletics at BYU...with this sort of happening they might as well do both.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    I'd rather the cougs stay independent and keep to its committments. Congrats to TCU.

    Chris B is becoming a ute jinx and cougar good luck charm.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 6:01 p.m.

    TCU brings nothing to the table in terms of Basketball, which seems strange to me, and in Football, they have success in recent history, but were untouchables in the 1990s. STrange things are happening.

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    Tom, don't kid yourself, the Pac knew exactly what they were getting when they invited Utah, cannon fodder for the bigger teams. That is why i was rooting for the U this year. I wanted the stuck-up snobs of the Pac to get burned by their own stupidity. Alas, the Utes let me down and so I must rail against the snobs in other ways.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Tom in CA | 5:16 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011
    Vallejo, CA

    ......and your team quit. Ouch.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    TCU deserves the invite. They get a BCS bowl win and good things happen. Same thing with the U.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    I called this when BYU committed to eight games with BSU. That was all you needed to know. We will be independent because it is what a few want. Here is what the press release will look like when it dies come out:

    "For the past month BYU has been in contact with members of the Big 12 as well as other schools around the country. After careful consideration the University Administration gas decided that the needs of the school and it's mission is better served by remaining independent in football an with our friends in the WCC for the Olympic sports. We look forward to a bright future playing many storied programs and bring a wide range of teams to Provo. We reaffirm our commitment to both excellence and honor." Tom Holmoe

    ps. Please continue to enjoy a steady diet of crummy teams and Bowl games in early December.

  • HugMe Logan, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    mgr63 seems to be obsessed with BYU.

    As a Utah State fan, I have no allegiance to BYU or U of U, but I think it is too bad BYU did not accept the invite (if they really did have an invite). BYU in the Big 12 and U of U in the Pac 12 would have made for some good football in the sate of Utah.

    I am reading on ESPN that the Big 12's next 2 invites are Louisville and West Virginia, but they are waiting to see what happens with Missouri. Perhaps, if Missouri leaves, then BYU would maybe have another chance to join. I hope so.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:24 p.m.

    Poor BYU. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

  • Bengal4life Sandy, Ut
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    @mrg63
    I dont understand why you are talking about the BYU-Utah game so much! See that you are from Dallas im surprised your not a Texas fan... And may I remind you BYU only lost by 1 point. Still a loss but hey, if we are so terrible then why did we make Texas look so bad in the first half?
    Does anybody want to throw a bet down that mrg63 is actually someone who is a Utah fan who made a fake account saying he is from Dallas???? ha ha! I wish I had nothing to do with my life...

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    "What else do you wanna talk about?"

    mgr63 4:48pm:

    The next thing we will talk about is 0-3 after the ASU tromping on Saturday.

  • EdCullen Orem, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Chris B,
    Sadly, even as a BYU, I agree with you. It's really unfortunate to see how this has played out. BYU is clearly sending that signal that they don't care about sports enough to compete at a high level.
    BYU is has come to the end of an era.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    Tom in CA wants to talk smack after his team gets beat 54-10. Priceless.

    LOL

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    Who wants to join the Big 12 (or 10 or whatever it means like these college presidents can even count)? The conference is folding up like a cheap lounge chair...

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Oct. 6, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    mgr,

    "Nobody wants to watch BYU football.......not even the haters.......what ESPN was counting on actually in the first place."

    Apparently, the haters LOVE to blog all about it, as evidenced by your last 6 posts on this article. I appreciate you adding so many comments, making BYU articles the most popular sports articles to talk about. The 5 most commented articles right now on this paper are about BYU. We BYU fans appreciate all your support and strong following of BYU football.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    What does Louisville, West Virginia, Cincinnati, and Missouri have in common? They have all expressed interest to leave their conferences.
    BYU just says, "Independence is so great."

    It takes guts to flirt with another conference. OK, OK State, Texas Tech, and Texas all got burned from flirting. But, Texas A&M, TCU, Utah, Pitt, and Syracuse all got invites.

    Keeping quiet will not make the phone ring. You better get crack'en BYU.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    @Tom in CA, the rebuilding Utes pounded the cougs.......54-10 brother, 54-10 that is, a beat-down. What else do you wanna talk about?

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    Very deserving. Now if BYU would receive and accept an invite, we would all be in for some very fun Saturday afternoons.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:44 p.m.

    Why are BYU fans thinking there will be a ESPN contract in the future? The ratings have been ATROCIOUS and now they only have two games being televised on ESPN(2) the remainder of this season........the party is over. Nobody wants to watch BYU football.......not even the haters.......what ESPN was counting on actually in the first place.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    We here in Big 12 country were sure sweating the BYU rumors.........way to go TCU! The millions of fans here in the Dallas metroplex are thrilled to see you in the Big 12. We dodged the BYU bullet of propaganda thank goodness!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    patriot 9:49 a.m. said:

    "BYU's future in the NCAA is really on the bubble unless they join the BIG 12 but I would say there is less than a 10% chance at this point of BYU ever joining or being invited."

    PATRIOT - You are a real genius. You talk about a 6-5 season. Your little football team will be lucky to finish 5-7. The pac whatever will have buyers remorse - based on your analysis.

  • R.Burgandy Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    to all Donors and Season ticket holders of BYU Athletics:

    If we all find out BYU turned down a invite to the BIG 12, we need to start donating to other causes within the Church or community until BYU starts listening to their Fans and Alumni, who want to see BYU compete at the highest level in major college sports, thus creating the exposure BYU and the LDS Church desires

  • Stackhouse paradise, nv
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe practices something that a lot of you on this comment should adhere to more often. That of "silence is golden".

  • Fanatico RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    I'm a lifetime BYU fan living in SLC who graduated from the University of Utah. My fandom lasted through my education at the U, but if BYU doesn't go to the BIG 12 I am officially switching to my Alma Mater (and I'm not the only one). BYU, aside from Sunday play only, there should be no reason not to FIGHT to be in the Big 12. We are tired of the secrets, give us information please. How much does it cost to shrink a stadium? Maybe their 8 year ESPN contract will help pay for that if they don't find their way into the Big 12.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Bye bye BYU.....the WAC wants you bad! That is a perfect fit in the 21st century for BYU after BSU left.

  • Broom Hockey Champ Alpine, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    Always the Joker, Hondo. Proving time and time again how classless Utesies can be. I like what AZ Blue and Red has written. I would love to get my hands on the ESPN TV contract and read the clauses in it about joining a conference, vacating the ESPN contract, etc.

    We may never know, but I hope the invitation comes soon.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:21 p.m.

    Nobody has spoken a peep about BYU in the Big 12 here in Dallas. They are are as popular here as they were in 1978 with Stanford U back in 1978. And we all know there was NO ChANCE for BYU to be accepted to the PAC-12........don't we? The "big brother," the mighty U of U was invited.......... a real university and a legit BCS buster. Talk all you want........nobody ever wants to go to Provo, Utah, never will.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    BYU football rocks!
    BYU will, if they have not already been, be invited to join the Big 10, 11, or 12. The problem is would they be happiest there or as an independent. What really needs to happen in NCAA football is more teams need to go independent. USC, UCLA, Stanford, Texas just for starters. There will be more money long term in independence than there ever will be in a league. Currently that is not the case but in the case of those universities building the infrastructure for their own Television distribution along with other contracts, independence, just makes sense.
    If BYU joins the big whatever it will only be a few more years until you see 50 independent football teams.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    No panic here. BYU has made it known they will not join an unstable conference. TCU shores it up and soon BYU will get the invite. And if they don't, they still are in fat city.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 6, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Good for TCU. CONGRATS! Makes sense to me.

    As for BYU I am sure the powers that be will do what is right. Not what we all think is right. (Which we do not agree upon anyway) Funny how everyone seems to know what is best yet we do not have the slightest thing to do with BYU athletics. Somehow many of you are smarter than the powers that be? You make your decisions in your job and home and let's let them make theirs. We are not in their shoes and we do not understand all that is at stake or what is best or what is being directed from those that really matter. That is not the BCS, the Big 12, ESPN, or any BYU or Utah fan.

    But I am curious as to what is going to happen.

    Either way it looks like a fun road.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Chrissy b and Naval Vet are irrelevant

  • D'Anconia Providence, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    Utah trolls need to lay off. This is tough news.

    As a Ute fan I'm sorry the invitation didn't come. I think it would have been great for BYU and fun for the rivalry.

  • Hondo Alpine, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    The Big-12 invitation just came in the mail. I received it by mistake and will be forwarding it to BYU officials after I spend a few hours alone with it.

    I was hoping for something from Publisher's Clearinghouse or Geico, but this will have to do.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    Well I am dissappointed for BYU but happy for TCU. They have a great football program and deserve the invite. Sadly however many other schools deserve the invite as well to include BYU. This is the biggest problem with the BCS. The Iowa State's, Southern Florida's, Conneticut's, and Lousville's all get to play in the big pot of money while more deserving teams with richer history's are left out. Best case would be to end the entire system and create a more equal revenue sharing, level playing field. 16 team playoff.

    The system will not change however and hopefully at the end of the day BYU will be included. Maybe there is still a chance for super conferance but instead of the 4 everyone predicted it will be 5 with several more deserving non-bcs schools invited to the dance.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    @target and toosmart

    what does that say for BYU, who lost 54-10 at home?

  • Target Provo, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    I guess the Ute trolls needed something to cheer them up between shellackings. (Even though what this signifies is still up for grabs).

    Have fun losing to Arizona State, little girls.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    So many experts from the "U"---where they are 0 - 2, soon perhaps 0 - 3 against PAC 12 foes. So many experts who say USU is a great team now---they are 1 - 3 after breakdowns in the final 2 minutes of 3 games. So many young impatient fair-weather cougar fans who have no patience at all to let all this realignment settle before flying off the handle. I have watched years of home games (since and including 1969) and the team is great some years, good some years, not-so-good other years, but in that time they have been in the top 10 many years and have a solid athletic program in multiple sports. I think it's delusional that the Utah radio announcers said "the best team didn't win" last week as UW throttled U. And that U had a "bad game" but when Y lost 54 - 10, they have a bad team. Double standard! (But that's the U I've come to know and observe from a distance as I refuse to go to RES again.) Anyway, rail on Y haters---your explanations about football are laughable!!! Ha-ha-ha.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    As a fan of the U I must apologize for this (and other) posts on this article(s) when it does not apply to "my" team, but I have to be honest and let it be known how incredibly entertaining the ebbs and flows, the wild swings of drama and emotion within the Cougar nation is to some of us on the outside.....Thank you! BYU football - FANTASTIC!

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 3:00 p.m.

    Ouch.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    TCU is a good move for the BIG 12. BYU will get the invite, but if not, they are in a sweet spot. BYU is in a rare sitiation where independence or conf. affiliation is good for it no matter what. Why? They have loyal fans all over the country.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    Stop harping on Tom Holmoe. Decisions of this magnitude regarding BYU are made in SLC not Provo.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    @DD,

    Texas is in the best position of any school to go independent and they have said several times through AD Deloss Dodds that they have studied that scenerio in depth and Texas will not go independent. Independence is not the future of college football.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    You will probably see Cincinnati & Louisville invited because they are only 90 minutes apart. And they will be looking to escape the Big East nw.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    BlueSaint said:
    BYU left out? Who says BYU wants in? BYU is staying indie, and will pave their own path. The BIG 12 inviting TCU is about as exciting as watching snow melt. Tells one that they are clueless as to what that conference needs to stabilize. BYU will not leave the West Coast Conference hanging, and they will honor their commitment to them.

    People forget that with ESPN, BYU is set and ready for this Independent path. They do not need a conference for exposure. They are getting more than any other program in the country. I for one have always wanted BYU to go indie. I hope they give it a chance, before jumping into a unstable conference with no attraction.

    Partly agree with you. But to say that BYU is getting more exposure than any other program in the country is just laughable.

    They will never be up where USC, Nebraska, Alabama, Ohio St, Oklahoma and others are.
    If nobody is watching, or tuning into BYU TV, who cares.

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    As a non-LDS BYU fan, I have long accepted and understood that there is more to the school than football. However, I believe that at some point the school has to use some common sense. Does anyone really believe that BYUtv freedom is better than inclusion in an AQ conference? And does anyone believe that a losing BYU football team is an effective "missionary tool"? The only way BYU's football program will actually be an effective missionary program is to win football games and stop embarrassing itself by referring to itself as such.

    Independence may have been better than the Mountain in terms on money/exposure, but it is a terrible long-term strategy. Scheduling will soon be near impossible, and as BYU's football program continues to decline, these short-term benefits will disappear. I believe BYU is headed for football obscurity.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    BlueSaint | 1:38 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011

    "The BIG 12 inviting TCU is about as exciting as watching snow melt. Tells one that they are clueless as to what that conference needs to stabilize. BYU will not leave the West Coast Conference hanging, and they will honor their commitment to them."

    1) "They are clueless" about their own conference? And you know what they need??
    2) As long as the WCC doesn't find out what byu did to USU, they will believe you.

    What goes around...

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    It's pretty clear what's happened here. The initial story when Big XII expansion restarted with the departure of Texas A&M was ND, Arkansas, and BYU. Then, once ND and Arkansas reaffirmed being pleased with the current positions it was BYU, TCU, and a bunch of Big East schools.

    Then, after BYU reaffirmed by pleased with their current position it was TCU.

    Fans should be worried about the direction BYU is taking BYU, not external forces.

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Those who believe independence is superior to an invitation to an AQ conference (albeit an unstable one) are delusional.

    I agree that "independence" (really it is the ESPN contract)has proven to be a great means of exposure. If exposure in and of itself is all that matters to BYU and the LDS church, job well done.

    However, as BYU continues to get embarrassed by its rivals and by weaker teams on national television, I assume this exposure will first prove to be negative, and second eventually go away.

    As superconferences come to fruition, as I believe they will, BYU will find its independent self unable to schedule any quality opponents, as teams add another conference game or two to its schedule and have little incentive to play quality non-conference games. Good luck using the football program as a missionary program when WAC teams become the best of your schedule.

    As a non-LDS BYU fan, I have long understood and accepted

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Breaking News all over the net/sports radio, BYU turned down Big XII invite 2 weeks ago! If Mizzou leaves and they expand again, Louisville is their next candidate!

    I would guess they have so much money from tithing, they just don't need to triple their TV revenue in the Big 12 and provide us fans and national TV with much more enticing conference match ups like vs. Oklahoma/Texas. They must also think their fans like watching them beat small schools like Idaho/NM State etc. at home rather than playing national powers at home. :(

    Good News is that this opens the door to a national championship for BYU, but unfortunately it will be in FCS/1-AA championship since the major conference will break away from the NCAA in the next couple years leaving BYU on the outside looking in and completely irrelevant/1-AA status.

    Goodbye season tickets and cougar club membership/donations to many of us fans/(by the thousands) if these reports are confirmed!!!

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    As I stated earlier, BYU has no need to be hasty. They are making sure they get the best possible deal for them. As much as I would like to see them in the Big 12 conference next year, I would hate to see that the conference was disfuctional and doomed. I think they are trying to show stability and whenever it happens, they will make the jump.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:06 p.m.

    @ naval vet and all other Y haters,

    BYU not wanted, not true!! Why do you think the Big 12 is trying so desperately to become more stable? BYU wants in on certain conditions or else leaving independence does not make sense.

    1. Revenue sharing. Check
    2. Retain Tier III rights for BYUTV. Check
    3. Replacing A&M. Check

    I think (except UT) the rest of Big 12 wants 12 teams. If Mizzou stays, by my calculations, they need 2 more teams. If they leave, 3 more. If Mizzou stays BYU might not get an invite to test the 10 team conference for awhile. By 2013 or 14 they will go to 12 teams. If Mizzou leaves, depending on the package of the other 2 teams they ask BYU this year. BYU is in a win-win situation. No need to be hasty.

  • Hondo Alpine, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    The invitation just came in the mail. I received it by mistake and will be forwarding it to BYU officials after I spend a few hours alone with it. It's got a nice glossy finish on it.

    I was hoping for something from Publisher's Clearinghouse or Geico, but this will have to do.

  • relientk Lindon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Hey all you BYU haters....get a flippin life and go worry about your own program that's about to drop to 2-3 this week!

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    I love Utah football, but I think so many U fans are ridiculous. Seriously, spend all that energy rooting the Utes on to a conference victory. Your obsession with the TDS and its future (or alleged lack of a future) is borderline psychotic. Forget them and focus on the UTES.

    GO UTES!!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    Good for TCU. Big East did not make sense.

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    The Big 12 is not a good fit for BYU. BYU needs an independent home schedule with Idaho and San Jose State to ensure a bowl-bound season of success.

    Independence is the best way to the Independence Bowl.

  • MondayMorningQB A Van Down by The River, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    @bluesaint I know its hard to divorce your feelings from the facts, but BYU disparately needed a hook-up with a reputable Conference. BIG12 and snow-melt?? Well regardless of your existence it is a major deal in football country, and it is potentially going to get better if the BIG12 can help Boise State find a better conference. ESPN does not guarantee BYU success as an Indie and how arrogant that argument is when Cougar-nation insinuates that their legacy is comparable with Notre Dame.....not a chance. Your comment about "They are getting more than any other program in the country" is that more conjecture on your part or do you have something factual to back it up?

    BYU fan seems to remain in feeling long past the point of loosing the argument.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    Some among the Cougar Nation speculated that BYU's invitation to the Big12 would be announced in last weekends General Conference.

    However, those who listened carefully heard President Monson teach in the Priesthood Session that at times individual Church members and the Church itself must "Stand Alone".

    Get it, Cougar Nation?

  • MondayMorningQB A Van Down by The River, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Boise State has tripled their recruiting efforts out of the very rich and fertile Texas recruiting grounds. A BIG12 bid now would put this school head to head with TCU for a long time. BYU as stated above is the ugly duckling still waiting for the prom king to ask her out.

    Utah State has a better future then BYU and that is no dis on the Aggies, as they are building upon mountains of success and they like the Utes do not have the over-reaching religious thing to distract them. I respect the ardent fans and alum of BYU and completely understand them wanting certain things for their team, but BYU has lost its glimmer and it is much to do with the school the team the culture as it is the realignment that is happening around them. Utes & Aggies will rule as Utah's representatives for the next many years.

  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Though I would love to see Byu play the likes of Texas and OK OK.st all the time in football, I really would love to see the Basketball Games being in the Big Twelve!

    But, Alas, if it is true that Brother Holmoe and the Administration is leary of the control issues, by being in the Big Twelve, I can't say I blame them after the stupid experience of the Mtn West Conf.

    I believe the Y can take the time to make sure the deals are good, rather than jump into another MWC fiasco.

    Go Cougars!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    @Blue Saint

    Im guessing that comment is said tongue in cheek?

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    BYU left out? Who says BYU wants in? BYU is staying indie, and will pave their own path. The BIG 12 inviting TCU is about as exciting as watching snow melt. Tells one that they are clueless as to what that conference needs to stabilize. BYU will not leave the West Coast Conference hanging, and they will honor their commitment to them.

    People forget that with ESPN, BYU is set and ready for this Independent path. They do not need a conference for exposure. They are getting more than any other program in the country. I for one have always wanted BYU to go indie. I hope they give it a chance, before jumping into a unstable conference with no attraction.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    looks like the best course for BYU is to just stay indy in football and play the teams on their level (mid to bottom tier mid-majors) and leave teh other sports in the WCC.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    @Utehater/bigsoccer

    This is not me reporting that info, that is from the horses mouth. Andrew Adams at KSL has reported the same thing. There never was a credible source saying that TCU was out of the conversation, it was people making assumptions. This is a person within the situation making a statement.

    Sorry, but its not speculation, so don't attack me. Just stating what people on the inside are saying.

    Although it certainly can change by the hour.

    Stay tuned.

  • apexhunter Dick\'s Sporting Goods, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    @williary that is some funny stuff, true but very funny Thanks I needed that.

    # 1 question asked of potential Utah based football recruits...."are you LDS and are you going on a mission" If your 7'1" and play hoops and score at will......hey we will se you when you get back from your 2 year absence, but with football its a totally different paradigm. BYU is a victim of itself and of its culture and dogma.

    If the top prospect hyper-LDS athletes could just agree to hit the mission field after retirement instead of in the beginning of their very short and very precious football careers then maybe we would be making some progress.

    BYU was never going to thrive in the Texas-centric football world, a world were the game is faster bigger and much more punishing then anything BYU has ever seen before. BYU should maybe wonder over to the Mountain West or even the WAC since I do not see them ever overcoming the lds dogma and expectations placed on the young athletes as they are all impediments to a better football program.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    TXBYUFAN:

    "As for BYU, Holmoe needs to say SOMETHING! This continued silence is not good for the program. Fans deserve to have some. Kind of idea of what is going on."

    What do you want him to say? "We weren't invited"? How would that be news? You've never been invited before. Holmoe might as well hold a press conference to tell you frantic and emotional cougar fans that you haven't been invited to the ACC, SEC, B1G, or Pac-12 either.

    At least he finally admitted he hadn't really been invited to join the Big [L]East though.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    @ naval vet and all other Y haters,

    BYU not wanted, not true!! Why do you think the Big 12 is trying so desperately to become more stable? BYU wants in on certain conditions or else leaving independence does not make sense.

    1. Revenue sharing. Check
    2. Retain Tier III rights for BYUTV. Check
    3. Replacing A&M. Check

    I think (except UT) the rest of Big 12 wants 12 teams. If Mizzou stays, by my calculations, they need 2 more teams. If they leave, 3 more. If Mizzou stays BYU might not get an invite to test the 10 team conference for awhile. By 2013 or 14 they will go to 12 teams. If Mizzou leaves, depending on the package of the other 2 teams they ask BYU this year. BYU is in a win-win situation. No need to be hasty.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe:

    "...money wouldn't stop the Pac-12 from growing, though. So, 14 seems the B12's best option, which bodes well for BYU."

    I think you're going need to brace yourself for the possibility that you're going to get left out of expansion. Say "Hi" to the WAC for me, okay?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:18 p.m.

    m3cents:

    "Credible sources said we had an offer on the table a couple of weeks ago. Looks like we overplayed our hand."

    Nope. It looks like you NEVER had an invitation. There WERE no credible sources to have said that. "Credible sources", such as ESPN reported TCU receiving an invitation, but none so for the Y. At least not up until THIS point anyway. FACT!

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    @Kosta Fesenko | 12:57 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011
    Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    BYU is off the table you say, just like when the Big 12 said they would not take TCU? Because Texas apparently did not want them, but yet today they have been invited.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    @Whatsinitforme

    You keep telling yourself that BYU is on someones list.

    Fact is that list has been turned over two or three times and BYU is still off in the corner playing alone.

    The good news about this for Cougar fans is that BYU will quickly be removed as the most hated sports group. As they fold into obscurity, nobody will hate them. Nobody will care.

  • CaptainL PROVO, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Bluewombat8: You obviously put way too much importance on BYU winning,your expectations are either too high or you can't ajust to things not being as good as you'd like. I love sports and especially BYU sports but don't over do things. Don't be a fair weather fan that only enjoys or likes BYU's teams if they win. Also, your not really a true BYU fan if your criticising them for not doing everything they can to get into the Big 12, you or I don't know everything that has been done in regards to BYU and the Big 12, belonging to a BCS conf. makes things easy but it's not the end all. For BYU to go to any BCS conf. alot of things would need to be worked out, TV contracts, No Sunday play, etc. we just don't know what has been going on behind closed doors.
    If your a true BYU fan, you'll want what is best for BYU and not just what you think is best. I trust Holmoe to do the right thing, with BYU's best interests first and foremost. Belonging to a BCS conf. won't make us win more gamesorgetinto a better bowlgame.

  • ViperGuy Farside of The Moon, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    TCU is now where they have always belonged..... BIG12. Sorry BYU Nation but the Cougars are irrelevant outside of the LDS bubble and there is no and I mean no TV revenue that can support BYU hence you have seen your best days and they are behind you. You heard it here first....Boise State is being courted by the BIG12 and so is the diminutive SMU....we may have a 12 in the BIG12 after all.

    Oklahoma (and State) were not keen at all of moving from their recruiting fields of Texas and playing in the PAC12 SoCal intensive recruiting environment.

    BYU was a great team....once a long time ago. Utah will adapt and recruit appropriately in the coming years and BYU will never touch them again. Let us not dismiss the rise of that little ole school in Logan.....watch out they are on the rise.

  • TXBYUFAN Spring, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 1:04 p.m.

    I'm glad so many Ute fans know exactly what is happening and what is going to happen. They be really, really smart.

    As for BYU, Holmoe needs to say SOMETHING! This continued silence is not good for the program. Fans deserve to have some. Kind of idea of what is going on.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    The board representative from Texas Tech has leaked that the Big-12 has taken BYU off of the table. Expansion will now be focused on Louisville, Cincinnati, and WVU. That will get the conference back to 12 where it will remain for teh time being. Missou and WVU are interchangeable. One will go to the SEC, one will end up in the BIg-12.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Its ok BYU fans. You can start back peddling now. Just chalk this up and file it in the "rumors of conference invites the past 4 decades."
    I believe you will find it next to the "wishful thinking with no common sense fans" file.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    @ Portland Trail Blazers,

    Bringing in TCU means the B12 is NOT going to stay pat at 10, and maybe not even 12. They know they have to get to 14 eventually to keep the Pac-12 from raiding them again.

    12 might only be viable because of the 6 or 13 year TV clause, but money wouldn't stop the Pac-12 from growing, though. So, 14 seems the B12's best option, which bodes well for BYU.

    @ Willary,

    Your hatred for BYU is showing. Try thinking clearly sometime.

  • my3cents Nashville, TN
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    BYU demanded strict terms and got turned down. Credible sources said we had an offer on the table a couple of weeks ago. Looks like we overplayed our hand.

    I suppose the BOT thinks we'll have the same amount of passion no matter what. Well they are very very wrong. Exposure means little if nobody cares about what's being offered.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Striker said:

    "This is going to be the State of Texas conference soon. What a joke. I hope BYU stays far, far away. Independence is far better than being under the evil grip of Texas. Why are all these teams leaving? Texas. BYU would be idiotic to join this conference."

    Yep it looks like the old SW Conference is rising from the ashes. And they said the former Soviet Union would not reunite. This is the next worse thing.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    The Texas good ol' boy system is alive and well.

    A. Perhaps BYU turned down an offer?
    B. TCU is of more interest than BYU.
    C. Yep, I vote for C.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    Texas owned TCU in the old SWC. Some things will never change. Welcome home little bro.

    Hook'em!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    and byu's football program is quickly flying up up and away - into oblivion.

    Goodbye. and Good riddance.

    How awesome will it be when superconferences are formed and byu is not invited?

    Priceless.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    If BYU has indeed blown this, that means they are either the stupidest people ever, or they plan to exit football. Independence is not the answser as the superconferences will happen and you've got to be in the Big 5 conferences (Big East is done) to have any chance of getting into the superconferences. If you're not in the superconferences, they you're playing Division II football. I had heard from two sources that BYU had an invite in hand. If so, what the heck happened? Where is Dick Harmon on this?

  • cork Murray, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Officially, Tom Holmoe owes us Cougar fans no response to this, but he would be wise to say something intelligent and informative very soon. If not, they'll be filling the dumpsters at BYU with unsold game tickets. Heck, they can't even give them away as it is. More of this "we take the high road" garbage and the program is done for. If there was an invite and we turned it down, how about cluing us paying fans in, Tom?

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    @Whatsinitforme

    Have you not been paying attention the last year?

    Your Cougars left the MWC because of football. They banished every other sport to the lowly WCC, because of football.

    So when you act surprised the Big12 is making decisions based solely on football, it makes zero sense. BYU did the same thing last year.

    And yes, looking at football which is king, TCU clearly brings much more to the table than BYU.

    And, BYU would be wise to stay independent. First, they will never play in a BCS game, so that should not be a worry of theirs. Obviously, regardless of what Jake Heaps says, that would prohibit them from a national title. Second, they are needing last second miracles to beat the likes of UCF, Ole Miss, and Utah State. I believe those teams have a combined 4 wins. Third, Utah discovered how thin the margain for error is in a BCS conference. After destroying BYU by 44 points. How on earth does BYU compete in a BCS conference?

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Until the Big 12 situation settles down with TV rights signed over and Missouri committed, BYU absolutely should not accept an invite should one be on the table.

    Pros of Big 12: BCS access. Home schedule is immediately much nicer for football and is great long-term for basketball. All sports have a good home. Much bigger chance of having signature games each year with big bowl implications. TCU makes conference more attractive (Air Force would too).

    Cons: The LDS footprint is much bigger in the Pac-12/WCC area, not as many fans will follow the team to the smaller Big 12 cities. We don't know what kind of replay access BYUtv will get, and we want nearly every game on TV. ESPN gives better TV exposure (but do we really want that or BCS access and less risky long-term relevance). 3-4 years out, the independent home football schedule might actually look better than what we get with the Big 12. Really quick flip-flop.

    I'd probably go Big 12 - too risky to NOT do it if invited. Long-term viability would be questioned and fans might revolt at LES.

  • Thidder MAPLETON, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Cal State Utah ops I mean BYU, is on the outside looking in. They have no options now except a new formulated WAC.

  • Ute's R Gr8 Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    ESPN asked Dick Harmon, his thoughts about Utah joining the PAC 12, his response; Utah was invited because they are not BYU. So does that mean that TCU was invited to the BIG 12 because they are not BYU?

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Now that there is a credible source, I'll believe it. I get tired of these "sources say" references.

    Nice to see the Ute trolls making a big deal about TCU seemingly getting the invite first. We don't really know how much communication has been going on between BYU and the Big 12. It could be a lot or very little.

    Hey Des News Moderator, you've rejected my past two posts. Will you reject this one too?

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    Should BYU turn down the Big 12,

    Tom Holmoe will have two legacies.

    1. The first athletic director to kill two Programs Cal, and BYU.
    2. Holmoe will become Bill Buckner. !!! as the Ball Rolled Right between His legs.

  • SCCougar LEXINGTON, SC
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Good to see ChrisB and friends back after a week or so lull.

  • sdunn Spanish Fork, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Chris B
    Utah is not going to the Rose Bowl anytime and probably not for at least 10 15 years if that.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    lol! BYU's fate depends on..............Missouri! bwahahaha!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    RIP Big East.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    TCU - school of 8000 and 10,000 fans nationwide - no TV market - gets a Big 12 invite. Maybe if BYU would win some big games they may get the same attention.
    BYU overplayed their hand big time in this and may come out with egg on their faces. But hey, we've got SJSU up next and Oregon State live on webcast, so independence is great! Go exposure!

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    If the Big 12 stays at 10 with TCU and Missouri, then i think BYU is left out.

    If they go to 12, then BYU is in. BYU should be worried and should be doing everything possible to get in and hope they expand past 10 if Missouri stays.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    Chris B,

    Who is San Jose State? And they have a football team?

    TCU deserved this. BYU can only pray about their chances now.

    Hmm... it seems that they were not the #1 pick after all, like a lot of people speculated. It seems that that it all BYU can do, speculate.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    @patriot

    How did you come up the "10%" prediction? utes style math?

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    The Big 12 plays games on Sunday... What in the world is with that?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    CougarFaninTX
    It made sense to talk to BYU first. They were available (not tied to a league). TCU became available as the Big East started to crumble. They moved up the list because they are close geographically, and play better football. Most importantly, they don't have hang ups.

    Your post talks about BYU being hung up on sticking points. They wanted everything nice and cushy before they graced the league with their membership. TCU did not have sticking points. They were willing to jump in and help the Big 12 stabilize. Mizzou may still leave, no television rights have been signed over, things are uncertain, and yet TCU is willing to take a risk.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    I wonder if BYU's extension of its games with Boise St has something to do with TCU getting a B12 invite?

    BYU knew ahead of time about this?

    The extension was to ensure Tier 2 TV rights with Boise State--making sure ALL of those "conference" games are televised?

    Could it be that BYU and Boise St are to become travel partners in the B12?

    Curiouser and curiouser.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    Looks like Texas kowtowed to save the conference. Now they have a Texas A&M replacement for Texas-based recruiting competition.

    It appears football is really driving conference thinking-heads. TCU doesn't bring anything else to the conference that's worth much. So, strange if this is true.

    Not so sure now that I'd be happy with BYU in the B12. Not because TCU's there, but because it appears the conference isn't thinking too clearly.

    Then again, maybe it REALLY IS all about football, and nothing else matters. If that's the case, then I guess BYU should join the B12 if asked.

    Sad state of affairs in college sports.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    This is going to be the State of Texas conference soon. What a joke. I hope BYU stays far, far away. Independence is far better than being under the evil grip of Texas. Why are all these teams leaving? Texas. BYU would be idiotic to join this conference.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 6, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Yep. Just read it on ESPN. TCU hasn't accepted the invitation yet, but I would expect them to. The Big TeX has more stability than the Big [L]East, travel costs would be substantially reduced, PLUS there's more money in the Bevo XII. Just about the ONLY advantage to staying with the Big East would be easier access to the BCS by way of winning the conference every year. No other Big [L]East school measures up to TCU in Football. The Big [L]East would have been TCU's conference to lose.

    Congratulations to TCU. You've been "invited" because you were "wanted". As the first selection, you were their most coveted program; and rightly so.

    Since TCU is currently being reported as mulling over a given (but not yet accepted) invitation, I think we can reasonable conclude that THIS is how an invitation is extended. Not super-secret, backroom, behind-closed-doors type, like the ones the frantic and emotional cougars like to fantasize about. At this time, there have been NO reports of the Y being invited. I'm just saying because I already see frantic and emotional cougs trying to spin this as disinterest on Holmoe's part.

  • Triple B Milford, NH
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    @ patriot

    What is it? Will they "NEVER" get invited or is it a "less than 10% chance"?

    "So you're saying I have chance" - Lloyd Christmas.

  • Bluewombat8 Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    This is sickening news. Thanks BYU for not lobbying your way into the BIG 12 from all your real fans out there. Now we get to enjoy the armed forces bowl and the macoroni and cheese bowl and our great WAC schedule every year until they drop their athletic program completely. This season has been completely sickening to be a cougar fan.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    When no trolls post, then BYU is irrelevant. Until then, they are loved by many and hated by some - but their relevance is not in question. Their fan base exceeds Utah by two fold and the Horned Frogs by 10 fold.

    TCU has a great football program, but they have no fans. Even last year, in the midst of an undefeated season, there were many games that did not sell out.

    The fact that BYU was the first school for the Big 12 to have a conversation with is indisputable. Obviously there was some sticking point to them moving forward. Will they work through the sticking point if Missouri jumps ship? No one knows at this point.

    Personally, I would love to see BYU in the Big 12, but I think the administration would only consider joining as a football only member. They do not want to offend the faith based WCC after only one year of membership. Religion is more important than athletics.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    As I had said before, Texas politicos will make sure Texas schools will get in first. Next up, SMU, Houston, north south east west Texas community college.

  • Big Daddy Utah SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    @DD. You are wrong, there will never be 50 independents, that makes no sense. You only say that because it makes BYUs situation look a bit better than it is. If BYU is invited to the Big 12, which I as a Ute fan think they deserve, they need to jump on it. You folks are off your rockers if you think independence is the wave of the future.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Makes sense. I guess Boise is next in line. After the big 3 non-BCS schools have been invited to join up, the group of schools to never see the field of a BCS game can be considered.

    That means you BYU.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    @DD Jaymario

    right after Lisa agrees to marry screech, laura agrees to marry urkel, and roger gets a date with tia and tamara.

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    If this is to be believed it could go either way for byu. TCU being selected despite the fact it is squarely on Texas back door could mean the BIG 12 really is looking east not west. On the other hand they have a well established rivalry, scheduled a game with byu this year and would probably be an advocate for them (assuming anybody in the conference cares what they think yet). Granted the game this year was because the MWC is short conference games.
    The football fan in me says two BCS schools really puts the state of Utah on the college football landscape. The Ute in me says the silence from down south that accompanies the current state of affairs is nice.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Patriot, I agree with reason No. 1 and seem to recall an Austin American Statesman article pointing to TCU entering the picture due to a lack of interest on BYU's part.

    They really think Independence is going to work out. I guess we'll see.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    LOL

    I am so happy with this great news!

    One stop closer to byu football essentially being a Division II program.

    You think recruits want to play for a team going to the Rose Bowl or a team that no BCS conference wants and that has 0 percent chance at ever going to a BCS game?

    toUgh choice

    The future of football in Utah..

    Is UTAH

  • amicus Ann Arbor, MI
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    Good for TCU; they've earned it. Hopefully BYU is next.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    Still no love? When you think you are Sleeping Beauty but in reality are Sisty Ugler...you don't get invited, anywhere!

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    According to the Austin American-Statesman, presidents and chancellors of the Big 12 voted Thursday morning to invite TCU to join the league in 2012. TCU will pay a $5 million exit fee to the Big East ...

  • DD JayMario American Fork, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    The future of NCAA football is independence. Eventually there will be 50 or so independent teams in a D1 NCAA, each with its own fan base, TV network, and ESPN or FOX contract -- with everybody else dropping to D2. The days of PACs and BIGs and WACs are numbered.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    Report: Not enough SEC votes to add Missouri yet

    SEC would rather have a team for their eastern division.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    byu will soon be like san jose state. Completely irrelevant

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    This is great for TCU. The Big 12 will be a much better fit than the Big East would have been.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    I wonder if BYU is next?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 6, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    TCU is a great pick for the Big 12. BYU will NEVER go to the BIG 12 for two reasons...

    1. Tom Holmoe doesn't want to
    2. The BIG 12 won't give BYU an invite - especially after another 6-5 season this year.

    BYU's future in the NCAA is really on the bubble unless they join the BIG 12 but I would say there is less than a 10% chance at this point of BYU ever joining or being invited.