If Bronco shows up to the game with surrounded by riot police, you'll know who's
I just need to know who is going to start so I can finish my Grid Picks !
Who else noticed how puny and weak Heaps looked standing next to Lark on the
sideline? Even with his helmet on and Lark only in a ball cap he looked like a
little boy; narrow shoulders, tubular, weak arms and pencil neck. Hit the
weights already! Can't blame the editor for cutting Lark out of the
picture in blue, home jerseys, Heaps in front and Riley back left. Lark is also
in that picture in the back right with his sleeves rolled up making the boy
look...well, like a boy.
Doman future might hinge on who starts all the fans want to see is wins period
Bronco wont go down alone
I just have to wonder if putting Riley in the game vs. Utah State was the
smartest move? Seriously, that move crushed the tiny confidence that Heaps may
have had left and created a huge QB controversy. Had they let Heaps finish the
game, a win still might have happened and the rest of the season schedule is
weak enough that Heaps would have been on his way to posting some numbers and
winning back some of the Provo fans who boo him. But the coaches did this, and I
don't think it is going to turn out well, no matter which player becomes the
chosen one. This was poor coaching, pulling the plug with a quarter or two of
football left, before the season ahead appeared to be much easier with success
on the horizon against very weak opponents.
Riley, Riley, Riley that was the battle cry Friday night and it is still
How come Heaps is the #2 choice ? I say Riley then Lark . Sit Heaps down behind
Munns that should be the proper order of things.Did anyone get the
video of Heaps post practice interview last night. " I don't know why I was
pilled " was his answer to the question why did you get pulled Jake, "
Crickets " was his answer to What do you think you can do to improve your
game, and my favorite " No " when he answered the question " If
he could learn anything from his team mates specifically the WR and the other
QB's.The right answer : I am 113 in the D1 qb rankings, I have 3
touch downs to date, I am scared in the pocket any of these are correct.The right answer: Finish drives, create when play breaks down i.e. get
to the correct progression and take it, Get in the end zone more then once a
game.The right answer: Yes I can learn from everyone especially my
team mates.Arrogance and he is only 19, potential, the future I
So many comments from those that understand little. Football is both a
physical, as well as a mental game. Physically Heaps is struggling big time and
it shows,mentally it's worse. The team as a whole seems (from a
distant) seems to support Riley Nelson as the QB, to go against the flow will be
disastrous, Riley is the only choice the coaching staff has. The competition
(SJS) isn't the issue, the problem will be from the team. It isn't a mutiny
that's the concern but the morale. The team believes in only one of the QB's.
Of course, it will be Jake starting the game on Saturday. The only way that
would not happen, is if he messes up big time in practice this week. But I
don't see that happening. I think BYU is due to have a breakout game, with
Heaps showing all of his detractors why he was rated the #1 HS football player
in the nation as a senior. I wouldn't be surprised if the score ended up very
similar to the Utah-BYU game a couple of weeks ago, only with BYU on the winning
Didn't Bronco say he made a mistake last year by doing the dual qb system. Is
he going to repeat the same mistake?
Heaps . . .
tanthemanYou make a really good point about Nelson brining energy
and the hope that the benching will help Heaps come out of it. I say start
Heaps again and replace him if he can't get it done. Don't wait til the second
half if it is clear that he just doesn't have it again. The odds are
good that the team will perform well against the San Jose State team. Though SJS
will offer some resistence if he does not have it. This is a team that can beat
BYU if it plays poorly and cannot beat BYU if BYU plays well. The game will be
decided by BYU either way.
Heaps performance to date has been just plain bad. 1. He over-reacts to
pressure and misses open receivers by unacceptable and unbelievable
distances.2. He over-reacts to blitzes and makes mistakes in his reads
resulting in incomplete passes at best, sacks or turnovers at worst.3. He
has no touch on his passes making them very hard to catch even when they are
within reach.4. He puts the ball in places that slow the receiver making
additional yardage uncommon, even when they catch the poor passes.5. He is
unloading the long passes and missing open receivers by as many as 10 yards.6. He is making passes to receivers who are covered by as many as three
defenders - he seems to have made the decision to pass without even looking at
the defense.These are all indications of a player with low or no
confidence. Ability is not questioned based on his performance last year and in
his high school years. Whatever is needed to instill confidence should drive the
decision. He has to know their is accountability for poor performance and that
he will come out if can't perform, but play him til then.
This is actually good for business...in Utah at least. I have been turned of by
BYU football as of late but this is kind-of exciting to have a QB battle again.
I am interested in the outcome.WHY? I have always thought Jake was
too much hype and was concerned with his attitude and need to have his own PR
and press conferences causing the current unfortunate circumstance Jake really
isn't living up to his "mouth". Same really goes for Mendenhall and
his excuses and "fireside coaching". Riley Nelson took a "win
win" situation and made it his by engineering a great comeback against USU.
Now all of these elements are merging at the same time and lasting
decisions and repercussions will be made in this week's decision and ultimate
re:USAloverHA!! Your post is really true and funny!! I agree
@ Utes R GrAte + So Cal ReaderThe invite from the Big XII to BYU has
been on the table for weeks, but is still pending BYU's rebroadcasting rights.
BYU is coveted by the Big XII. TCU is a good acquisition as well and the
addition of both BYU and TCU will make the conference even better.
What's on the line, Call? A WAC championship? Oh wait, I thought BYU was WAC
from the looks of their schedule, but they are Independent...
@Lane Myer: I'll bet you were one of the student spies that pulled folks out of
finals. Go have a coke, grow your moustache, and watch a PG13 movie. :) At least
Riley wasn't dropping F bombs on national TV! Why do we focus on a kid's hair
length when so many other things are more important...like character and courage
and leadership and class?
Re: Ute's R Gr8 |"ESPN asked Dick Harmon, his thoughts about Utah joining
the PAC 12, his response; Utah was invited because they are not BYU."
Granted, I'm not of your "persuasion"; however, consider the source,
my friend. Consider the source.
Doman's the problem. He's the reason why the QB and receivers aren't
connecting; the reason why the running game is horrible; and, its all because,
as he said "is still learning."Get off the QB's people. No
one will succeed under doman's system.
Of the 120 Division 1 schools, Heaps has the 109th best Quarterback rating.
It's time to move on and let Nelson have the reins. He brings more heart and
desire to the team than Heaps does. There's no possible way that the Cougs
would have won with Heaps in the entire game against Utah State.
As far as Riley's "long hair":Pretty trivial if you ask me
- to keep harping on this. I'm going to give him the benefit of the
doubt, and say that the Monday he went to get his hair cut, the barber was gone
and Riley forgot about Monday barber schedule. I say wait until
after San Jose State - the continued comments will be too funny.
Elcapitan | 12:39 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011 Ivins, UT Do I see Riley's pants
falling off...his belly button is off limits? Maybe, as one coach put it, give
me the talent first, I can develop character later. Come on Riley, pull up your
pants.----------------And cut your hair! I
went to BYU and I have seen students pulled out of finals because their hair was
over their collar. Why is Riley allowed to go to school with long hair and
allowed to play in front of the world when he is not up to BYU standards?
Do I see Riley's pants falling off...his belly button is off limits? Maybe, as
one coach put it, give me the talent first, I can develop character later. Come
on Riley, pull up your pants.
Never start mediocraty when looking at the rest of the season please. that is no
way to run any team unless you live next door to the kids mother. This is
college sports on ESPN and BYU's reputation is at stake. Play the winning
quarterback please. Heaps has got some shaping up to do to regain his position.
ESPN asked Dick Harmon, his thoughts about Utah joining the PAC 12, his
response; Utah was invited because they are not BYU. So does that mean that TCU
was invited to the BIG 12 because they are not BYU?
Dear Dustman. I am not impressed with Doman up to this point, but one big
factor you failed to think about is that Anae had been a play caller for several
years before he came to BYU. I have not researched how effective Anae was at
his previous school. Doman may have a steeper learning curve right now with a
untested QB. I hope he can climb it faster. As an armchair QB who
does not watch daily practices and is not on the sidelines or in the booth, I
think we need to start Riley. I was impressed with his maturity. However, it
was pure luck on the final touchdown. Maybe they practice that, but it was
still pure luck that Matthews was in the exact spot he needed to be.
Re: plyxply "how can people actually still come on here and say Heaps gives
the Cougars the best chance against top quality teams?" Thank you for
supporting my point of staying with Heaps. Other than TCU and Hawaii (at the
Island), our Cougs don't play any more "top quality teams." Period.
Now's not the time to replace your QB & entire offensive scheme (from pass
1st, to run 1st, 2nd & 3rd). You don't make that monumental switch in the
middle of a season when you're getting ready to face these Betty Crocker-type of
Nelson was the beneficiary of improved play from every offensive skill player on
the team. Hoffman made a diving, one-handed catch. The running backs came to
life. Jacobson held on to Nelson's heave after dropping multiple in the game (at
least one that basically hit him in the chest). I think the team should be
thinking about the effort of the players around Heaps when he is in the game.
Nelson is a scrappy guy who will obviously give everything for the
team, but he doesn't have the arm to be a deep threat. Let Heaps lead the team
down the field and when they reach the part of the field where he has struggled
mightily (and where you don't need to go deep) put in Nelson. Think Lark/Tebow
from 2006. Also, make him the holder on field goals. He clearly deserves more
time, but in a Heaps-style offense he will struggle against good teams.I think that we beat SJSU, OSU, and Idaho State with either QB, but that we
will not beat TCU without a guy who can go deep (something they have shown some
susceptibility to) and Heaps needs some confidence building games.
I really don't think Heaps' problem is fixed by more game experience. It's
whether he can learn to put TOUCH on balls and have the PATIENCE to read through
his progressions.He has the physical skills, just not the mental
ones (yet). I don't see where game time versus weaker defenses will help him to
progress in this. He did fine against weaker defenses last year, but faltered
versus the better defenses so far this year.Jake needs some
"tough love" in practice to learn patience (getting hit when you throw
because you're making the correct reads) to discover that it doesn't hurt so
much as he thinks, and to put some touch on passes where his man is past the
defender.The shock of getting pulled in the last game might help him
to work on those things. Who knows?
Wake up, Nelson is not that fast, Usu made him look good. Usu are 4th quarter
chokes and BYU got luck. Nelson got rag dolled by the Utes, a much faster
defense. Nelson will get hurt again, this isn't high school ball where
linebacker are mid sized men. Heaps at least attempts to run the lays designed.
Nelson is doing to domain what domain did to crowton, that is wht domain
how can people actually still come on here and say Heaps gives the Cougars the
best chance against top quality teams? What games have you been watching? Can
you possibly think for yourselves or are you still believing all the hype? No
wonder people make fun of Cougar fans so easily, nobody who understands the game
can possibly believe Heaps is still capable of leading a team to victory, not
even his teammates have his back. Get with it folks, cut your losses and move
on, you've got plenty of talent waiting, they can't possibly be worse than
Don't expect Bronco to tell anybody until game time. And then, he'll take 10
minutes expounding why he made the decision he made and it's implications on
Eternal Life and poverty in Africa and how he enjoys being a mission
Maybe if Jake does have a little less confidence he will hesitate for just a
second. Maybe that's what he needs to finally wait that extra second for the
reciever to break open.
How's Ben Olsen with all his potential doing these days?
If I were Heaps I would be making some phone calls and look to transfer. Heaps
is way to talented to be on the bench behind Nelson. I really have no idea how
Nelson even made the team other than his running ability. The problem with
playing Nelson is you start a running - Air Force style QB - in a passing BYU
system. This will never work and it pains me to see Bronco doing this silly
experiment. At the end of the day you are going to have Jake Heaps with less
confidence going forward which is not what you want with your supposed future
QB. So what if you start Nelson and beat San Jose State with more rushing yards
than passing. Try that against TCU and see what happens. Jake Heaps at least
gives BYU the chance to compete against top 20 teams. Benching Heaps is a BIG
step back for the program but Bronco seems like he has trouble making "head
coach" type decisions anymore.
I am not a big Heaps fan, but i do think you need to start him. But I also think
Riley needs to see a lot more time. Neither of the two have both the running and
passing ability. But together they can hurt a defense. I think when Riley does
go in, it will help take pressure off Heaps. I really hope he becomes coachable
and learnes from Riley. Somehow Jake needs to become tough and not scared to
take a hit. Learn to go at someone. Riley isn't scared and he likes to go at
people and get a couple extra yards. Riley is exactly what Jake needs. Lets just
hope they can rub off on eachother a little. Then we can expect some good
Read what Mendenhall said about him looking at the big picture and what is best
for the program in the long run. Mendenhall is going with Heaps and I think
Heaps is the best bet. Yes, Riley has heart and I love to see him play but his
2 best plays were lucky - the 40 yard pass could have gone either way and the
touchdown pass was wobbly and behind the receiver. Bring Riley in on 3rd when
you will also go for it on 4th. Bring Riley in to mix it up and confuse the
defense.@bleedred - BYU is one of the only athletic programs in the
nation to make money last year. BYU already has great facilities and they are
making a lot more money this year. They may not get into the Big 12, they may
refuse and invite, either way, money is not the big issue.Heaps may
not be the answer but he is BYU's only chance at being great.
any other head coach worth his salary would've made the choice already but just
like last year Roscoe can't make a tough decision and it will ultimately hurt
his team.I've been saying this for two years, the players on the team
don't have near the respect for Heaps that they have for Nelson, and it was
obvious on Friday that was the case. What makes it so hard for the coaches to
choose is beyond me but it will once again turn into a circus and will hurt the
team.Stop treating Heaps like he's earned anything, he can't move the
offense or complete passes in a game, put him on the bench where he's earned a
Max Was Wrong; FYI, I am a Y grad, proud of it. But I call things as I see them.
The past years decisions in Utah County have been less than intelligent.
Decisions like the QB issue, all have been decided by emotion. We should have
stayed in the Mt West and watch things work out. At least a decent bowl game to
work for at season end and not this Helicopter Bowl deal. Believe me I'm sure
the Ute fans are enjoying their PAC 12 all the way to the bank ( I hear it every
day.) They're going to burry us with financial resources for their team in the
future, if we dont start making the correct choices. We are digging our own
hole. Should have stayed in the Mt. West and waited for the BIG 12. And started
the right Q at the beginning of the season, Riley.
This is not a hard choice. Anyone who has watched every game this season knows
the answer. Riley is the answer. Heaps is not a leader and isn't as good of a QB
right now. I hope this controversy is to keep the opposing team guessing and not
really the coaches not being able to choose.
Forget it folks! I'll start.
spartanman;If BYU had kept the ball enough to score 41 in the Utah game,
Utah would not have scored 54 and would likely have lost. I am happy to see a
Ute fan finally admitting that BYU beat themselves in that game and with only 1
or 2 turnovers, would have won that game.I don't see what the big qb
controversy is. Ride the Nelson energy wave until is isn't working. When BYU is
ahead by more than 10 pts at halftime, put Heaps in. If the offense stalls with
Riley for more than 2 drives, put Heaps in. if BYU is behind at halftime, put
Heaps in.There is no way Jake Heaps can be surprised if he does not start
Saturday. It is easy to see that he is struggling with taking his lumps from his
poor performance and being pulled. The worst has happened; maybe he can settle
down now and play like we all think he can. If he does not start and throws a
tantrum, move him to 4th string and let Lark play some. He will get the hint and
will either transfer or pull his head out by next Fall.
Here is the thing. I don't want to be a jerk and give up on Heaps, but I
understand that he is not performing. Not only is he not performing, but
whenever he is on the field the players around him don't either. They have lost
confidence in him. I would say that Riley had a lucky drive that
just happened, but then you need to look at the mentality. When Heaps was on the
sideline looking like he was gonna cry, Nelson brought in a much needed energy,
and brought that intensity to the rest of the team as well. I say
start Heaps and see if he learned anything from this at all, and if he does not
complete around 60% of his passes and actually take a hit or two for the team,
then put Riley in quick. (No later than the second half.)
Doman's focus this week is to prepare both quarterbacks "as if both were
going to play this game, then let the head football coach make that decision.
That's part of being the head coach he gets to do that and I'll support
whatever decision he makes."'Because if I don't support him,
I'll never have a job in D-1 ball again, since my golden boy has regressed and
the offense I call has no productivity or consistency and I would be laughed out
of the building if I said my offense is "creative" in front of a Boise
" ...Mendenhall also pointed out the advantages of a running quarterback,
... It just gives you a different element," Mendenhall said of
a QB that can make plays with his feet. "It doesn't mean one is better or
worse. They're just different styles."Right - and I prefer the
"style" that put up the "W" last Friday night. I start
Nelson. Heaps can buck up and be "the team player".
BYU wanted a novice OC and QB coach. This is the result.The team won
against USU. Riley's presence provided the spark, but his skills didn't win the
game.Riley was splitting time with Heaps last year, and his
aggressive play got him hurt. How fast will he get hurt if he's the full-time
QB?The problem isn't the QB spot, its the entire offense. You have a
line that can't block, running backs that can't run, and QB's that either can't
get the ball to the receivers, or receivers that can't hang onto the ball.The one thing in common between them all is Doman. Doman is putting the
plays together. He designs the plays. He calls the plays. He's the one telling
the players what and how to do things. News flash, Doman isn't a very good
coach. Anae did better than him, as predictable as he was. Doman said he's still
learning. Get off Heaps and Riley. The entire offense is struggling.
Shoot, even our Defense is having trouble with the run.
max was right: 54 - 10 'nuff saidstart riley. maybe we would have
only lost 54-41 with riley.
I really think this much to do about nothing. I can understand the
"gamesmanship" if we were getting ready to play Texas, TCU, Utah,
etc., but those games & teams are behind us. This is San Jose State, all 2-3
of them. The call has to be with Heaps. This is the part of the Cougs schedule
that SHOULD allow Jake to unwind and be the offensive player we know he can be,
and what he showed the latter part of last year. What I don't like is the quote
from Doman: "(His) focus this week is to prepare both quarterbacks as if
both were going to play this game, then let the head football coach make that
decision. That's part of being the head coach he gets to do that and I'll
support whatever decision he makes." That statement sounds as personally
ambiguous as what Bronco has been saying. I'm very disappointed by Jake's play,
but I believe he's the current QB, once he gets Doman's offense unraveled, that
has the most long-standing upside. Let's go, Cougs!
This is easy.1. Move Riley to running back who has the option to
pass.2. Leave Jake in as starting QB.3. Train the center to snap the
ball to either Jake or Riley.The way the ball was snapped against
Utah, we need Riley standing just to the right of Jake so he can take the rare
errant snap and go with it.This is a different sort of two headed QB
monster, but one that could be interesting. I don't think that it has ever been
tried, perhaps for good reason.
I've seen this movie before. Typically they wait a few years to do a remake.
At the very least BYU is going up against a soft spot in the schedule, so
whoever plays QB will have an opportunity to look like a Heisman candidate.
Well, at least a Div. I starting QB.
Lark or Munns! It's time to build for the future!
It is somewhat apparent that Jake can't read defenses, is scared of being hit,
or has no idea what he is doing as he slowly approaches the line of
scrimmage.On the other hand, Nelson can run a no-huddle offense, and
appears to be eager to go with each play. He apparently instills confidence
with his pace.There are other observations - the O line has taken on
an whole new blocking scheme this year, and doesn't have the personnel or
experience to make run-blocking work very well. The QB situation with
drive-killing incompetions, false starts, and subseqent wasting of time outs too
early in the game is inhibiting using the pass to set up the run.The
team and school does not exist to develop Jake Heaps. If he cannot read, is too
jittery to stand and deliver, with touch and a passion for completing the passes
(instead of looking good in throwing them) then he should sit. He says he
"will learn" from the games - specifics, goals, progress? Play to
win.If Jake develops, we might get a solid season by 2013. Don't
inhibit the team's success for one guy with potential. Effective guy should
We all have our opinions and mine, after some thought is to start Heaps.However, I am not the coach and neither are any of you. All the griping
is not going to change a darn thing except to crank up your stress level. I say
we let the coaches do their job and watch some football.
Lets really surprise the San Jose team by starting Lark.
By Saturday can Heaps learn:1. To put touch on passes when
needed?2. Make his reads without fear of getting pounded?If not, start Nelson. Then put Heaps in if Nelson fails.Or Lark?
Seemed to do well in Fall Camp.
It's a no-brainer. Start Heaps. The tough part is over. Heaps can live up to
his legend against the talent level remaining on the schedule.
I love the people calling for Bronco to make a decision already, one the more
time to think this through the better, but the main reason is to make SJSU keep
guessing about the quarterback and have to prepare for both. It wouldn't
surprise me if they had already decided but are just putting off announcing it
strategically. I don't think it matters right now, if Heaps is starting we will
be able to see if this pressure on him will cause him to have a break out game,
or shrink under the pressure. If it is Nelson we get to see if he can actually
sit in the pocket and make the throws when a defense is prepared for him. Can't
wait until Saturday's game.
One good thing about the coaches not announcing the starting QB, SJSU won't know
which QB to prepare for.I'd say start Heaps when he can throw a pass
that requires some touch (Hoffman's TD from Riley for example), and when he can
make a completion >20 yards.Until then I'd pick Riley.
Wow, get on with it! I mean, c'mon, be a leader, be decisive, and make a
decision. You don't worry about hurting feelings and individual development.
This is the ultimate team game and no one player is above the team.The real question is, will Doman be able to put a plan together and call some
plays that will keep the defense off balance and utilize the strengths of the
players.Let's go! Make a decision and make it happen!
"You guys are hilarious."whats funny is the ute fan who
has already jumped their ship and is now trolling the BYU article again. I
thought you left us in the dust? By the way, hows that pac ten
working out for you now?
Geeeez I question if there is intelligent life in Utah County.This is a no
brainer. Answer; The Q that won the game!You guys are hilarious.
Reading between the lines, here, I think Doman is still backing Heaps and Bronco
favors Nelson for this Saturday. This is one of the not-so-fun parts of being a
coach.I am sure that what the coaches see in practice is quite
different than what they see in a game. There are practice players and there are
game players. The ones who step up and shine under the lights are the ones you