Almost all theologians recognize that baptism for the dead was practiced by the
early Christians, but they are not sure why. Many of Christ's teachings were
gradually changed down through the centuries because of a lack of revelation.
Constantine pretty much crushed many of the early truths by convening the
Council of Nicea and having leaders vote on doctrine, trying to come up with a
concensus. That's where the Trinity was conceived and other theological
mysteries. The doctrine of apotheosis lived on until the eighth century before
Church Fathers finally quashed it, as well.Mainline Christianity
doesn't resemble the early church very much anymore.
Baptisms for the Dead contradicts the following scriptures:Philippians 2:12 "... work out your own salvation with fear and
trembling." Alma 34:37 "... work out your salvation with
fear before God ..."Mormon 9:27 "... work out your own
salvation with fear and trembling before Him."Notice that it
says "YOUR OWN" salvation and not "THEIR" salvation.There is absolutely nothing anybody can do or perform that can have any
effect on a deceased ancestor.
The context of I Corinthians 15 is how Paul is explaining the fact that there is
a resurrection of the dead and how Christ was resurrected. He is stating
evidences to prove this.When you get down to verse 29 he is asking if there is
no resurrection of the dead then what would be the point of baptisms for the
dead.You can plainly see here why it is important to have Apostles
because people were going around confusing the gospel. Paul was correcting
them. Same as today. Open the yellow pages and see how many churches there are.
There was also requirements or a standard of worthiness to enter
into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle. The High Priest was the only one who
could enter it at that time. He wore a bell and had a rope tied around his leg.
The bell would let people outside know he was still alive. The rope was to pull
him out if he died. It's a sacred place. This bit of Temple info. I learned at a
Christian Bible College.
Acts.7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as
saith the prophet,Acts.17:24 God that made the world and all things
therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples
made with hands;
To: dotp, pay attention to the grammar in 1 Corinthians 15:29 -30 you will see
that they misunderstood it because the practice had been discontinued after the
deaths of the apostles.Else what shall THEY do which are baptized
for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the
dead? (1 Cor 15:29).Notice the Apostle Paul uses the 3rd person
they, Paul excluded himself from the practice. THEY practiced it not we or I
practiced it.Coach Bill. If they were sacred why did they make
several changes 4/10/1990?
Apologies to dotp; my earlier comment about the Savior's expectations was meant
Ah, but dotp, Sharrona and others aren't here to edify. They are here to
quibble and detract. Best not to engage them.
@sharrona: The ordinances of the temple are NOT secret -- they are SACRED.
That is why we do not speak of them outside the temple and that is why one must
be living according to the standards set by Jesus Christ to enter the temple.
Baptisms for the dead was "condemned" by several 3rd and 4th
century Church councils, but if you will read and pay attention to the grammar
in 1 Corinthians 15:29 -30 you will see that they misunderstood it because the
practice had been discontinued after the deaths of the apostles because no one
knew WHY they did it. The fact that we perform baptisms for the dead is what
converted me to the church in 1976. I had attended many churches and asked many
pastors about that verse and got many different answers -- all negative -- but
none that explained the procedure. When I asked about these verses to the
missionaries, they were able to explain it to me. In my heart I knew they were
right. You are free to believe whatever you wish. Free agency is a gift that
all men and women are given freely by God.
RE: Tyndale1. For those who are not aware, this is exactly what is happening
today when we worship in the Holy Temple. Jesus Christ is the center of our
worship."I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied.
"I always taught in synagogues or at the Temple, where all the Jews come
together. I said nothing in secret.(John 18:20)Baptizing for the dead was
condemned by several 3rd and 4th century Church councils .
Our temples are houses of the Lord. On each beautiful edifice is the
inscription "Holiness to the Lord. The house of the Lord The building is
not, per se, the center of LDS life, rather, what takes place therin. It is a
conduit between this life and the next. Everything in the temple revolves
around our Savior and everything is done in His holy name. Those who attend the
temple only once or a few times cannot possibly know the deep, spiritual
richness of the holy temple. It is the University of the Lord. The
things which are taught there need to be learned line upon line. We may not
learn all it teaches in one lifetime, but we can learn much through regular
attendance. The Lord does go into these holy places and they are pleasing unto
Him. I cannot write of the holy ordinances of the temple because those things
are sacred. What I can say is that the temple brings our soul close to the
Divine. It teaches the true purpose life here and hereafter, as well as our
eternal relationship with God, our families, and the human race in general.
As I was reading this evening, I read in the second chapter of Acts where Peter
called on all men to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. The
chapter then says that those who did so continued daily with one accord in the
temple praising God. For those who are not aware, this is exactly
what is happening today when we worship in the Holy Temple. Jesus Christ is the
center of our worship. We are so grateful for the sacrifice of the Savior for
us, and want to follow in His footsteps. He did His work, and we are made whole
because of it. Now, it is up to us to go and do likewise and to
bless others lives. In addition to blessing lives all around us wherever we can,
when we go to the Lords Holy Temple we are there to bless others lives, even
lives of departed individuals. It is really pretty cool, and it lifts our own
spirits as well, not just literally, but also figuratively. It is really a great
blessing to be a part of such exalting teachings, and practices.
No, dotp; God leaves out those of us who don't meet HIS standards. Too many
scriptures to quote them all, but in John 5:14 & 8:11 the Savior tells two
people who have accepted His aid to, "sin no more" making it quite
clear that He has expectations of them.
Two weeks from this Saturday, I will enter the LORD's House to receive my
endowments. I can't wait to go through, so that I can return to do the work for
my family. We are blessed to have a temple nearby so I intend to go at least
weekly. There are Saints who walk over mountains barefoot to get to a temple...
yet some people balk at having to drive 40 minutes. Crazy.
RE: dotpI guess you are right. I don't know sripture, hmmm. You are
right?, we leave out those who don't meet "your" standards - is that
what you believe Christ taught? If so you need to go back a study
@Kevin -- Thank you for your astute comment. I have noticed that those who
dissent concerning LDS beliefs don't really know much about the scriptures. The
Lord has always been very clear in His teachings. In order to go where He is,
one must be striving to live in the manner HE laid out for us in the scriptures.
I love the temple and all it represents. Just because there are some who don't
believe it's true, doesn't mean it isn't.
mightymite | 1:52 p.m. Oct. 6, 2011You are right, Christ is the
centre of Christianity. Since we(LDS) are Christians in every sense of the word,
we include him in everything we do. As far as being a building that excludes
others, no one who is worthy to enter is excluded. This is a representation of
how things will be in the next life. Not everyone will be admitted to the
Celestial Kingdom, just those who are worthy to enter. Are you saying then that
Christ is wrong because he is exclusionary? God has always said that mankind
will be cut off unless they obey HIS commandments. No unclean thing can enter
the Kingdom of God. Building and worshiping in temples is following another of
Mightymite, you're wrong.Some Christians -- Mormons, for example --
do most definitely worship in temples.
Chritains do not worship in Temples and Christ is the center of Christianity,
not a building that excludes others.
Megan & IndependentLiberal: Thank you for expressing legitimate concerns.
Were it not for our love of Christ, we would not build temples. Our desire to
get closer to Him is precisely why we worship there, where the noise of the
world cannot come (at least not easily). True, the article's title may seem
truncated & thus have caused confusion, but we honestly don't think to
separate WHERE we worship from WHO we worship; like the Israelites of old, our
world is incomplete without these sacred places.
Megen:I'm reasonably certain that Professor Peterson would say that
Christ is at the center of LDS faith, and of his personal faith.Don't push a metaphor further than is reasonable.
to: IndependentLiberal | 11:52 a.m. Oct. 6, 2011 Judging from your
comments is appears that you have not been in an LDS temple. Everything about
the building and what goes on in there centre on Heavenly Father and his son
Jesus Christ. The building itself is just a quiet and sacred place to do the
Lord's work. We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ and that is why the Church
bears HIS name in everything it does. The title of the church is something the
Lord declared himself because it is HIS church. Like was said before, you can
mention the temple without mentioning the Saviour as well.
There is a reason why Christ spent so much time at the temple in Jerusalem,
teaching and even cleansing it. There is a reason why the Lord had Moses create
a portable temple (tabernacle) to be the center of the camp of the children of
Israel. The Lord makes covenants with His people, He always has and always
will. There is a building on earth which any can enter worthily to participate
in these covenants with God which tie us to Jesus Christ and His glorious
Atonement. Therefore, the temple is the doorway to Christ and entering the
presence of God the Father. The reason why the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints builds temples because not only do we believe in Jesus Christ,
but we BELIEVE HIM!
In answer to questions raised by Megen at 10:25:Those who know
Christian theology and especially restoration theology understand that Christ
and Temple are entwined, interwoven, dedicated and sanctified. Mentioning one
implies the other. Each temple bears the inscription "Holiness to the
Lord" and "The House of the Lord." Christ is Lord.
Each temple is dedicated in His name.There is no intent in the
article's content or title to offend or raise questions about the
Christ-centered nature of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As in ancient days, temples are happily built to more fully worship
Christ the Lord, learn of His ways and walk in His footsteps.The
title could easily be changed to "The Temple and Christ" without
altering content. Perhaps it should have been. Sometimes our Lord's name is
not mentioned out of reverence. Hope that helps answer your questions. To
investigate more fully, please visit any temple visitor's center when you are
Imagine my and tens of millions of Christians all over the planet mistake in not
understanding that the LDS temples being the center of the universe. (sarcasm)
The Bible is replete with statements stating that OUR creator God is
the center of the universe and we are taught in the permanency of HIS title and
Majesty. Just a sampling, Hebrews 1:10-12In the beginning,
Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of
your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a
garment. You will roll them up like a robe like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same, and your years will never end.Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world Gods invisible qualitieshis eternal
power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has
been made, so that people are without excuse.
Why isn't Christ the center of the LDS universe? Why a biulding? Why a ritual?
Why not God, who gave His Son? The center of a Christian's worship should be
I was in the temple last evening. The crowd was large and electrifying. One is
never in the wrong place when they are in the temple. This I know to be true.
An excellent essay. The temple is the center of the LDS universe -- as it should
be -- and what a great way to remember Matthew Brown.