Rewrite it all you want Dems but it is not a jobs bill, it is a debt increasing
bill and therefore a jobs killing bill, just like the last "stimulus"
package you scammed us with.
Do we really want to keep printing money that has ever decreasing value? The
government needs to quit thinking it creates jobs.
'I thought it was the big bad Republicans who obstructed a poor innocent Obama'
- Counter Intelligence | 9:28 a.m. Oct. 5, 2011 Wow.
Short memory. *'House GOP regroups after loss on spending bill' - By
Andrew Taylor - AP - Published by DSNews - 09/22/11 'WASHINGTON
House GOP leaders are regrouping after a surprise loss on a measure to provide
$3.7 billion for disaster relief and prevent a government shutdown at the end of
next week.' Obama is the only one who's done ANYTHING to create
jobs. The Republican party, blocked this bill, changed it, and are
now portraying themselves as 'job creators.' *Republicans block
small business lending bill' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews
- 07/29/10Line:'The bill would create a $30 billion government
fund to help community banks increase lending to small businesses...' The initial Bush tax cuts passed in 2001. If they were SO
successful for our 'job creators'... why do they need to create a
jobs bill, 10 years after the job 'creators' were supposed to be making... jobs? Answer: Because they did not.
Boehner said he and Cantor had written to Obama telling him there are several
areas of his jobs bill on which they can work together. Boehner sharply chided
Obama for being in "campaign mode" and failing to govern with Congress
"to help our country." Boehner had nearly three years now to see if
their plan works, and clearly their ideas about how to get our economy going
again have not worked because they had "NO" plan. Are the GOP still
sending jobs overseas?. Lets see. That terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki, who was
killed last week, was American-born and was a top recruiter for al-Qaida. You
don't often see an American taking a foreigner's job. "Mama mia, that's a
spicy verdict." That's why there is these "Wall Street
protests." Think Occupy Wall St. is a phase?. You don't get it. Yes,
there are a wide array of complaints, demands, and goals from the Wall Street
protesters, the collapsing environment, labor standards, housing policy,
government corruption, World Bank lending practices, unemployment, increasing
wealth disparity and so on. Different people have been affected by different
GOP, same system are symptoms of the same core of these same problem's. MY Views.
people out of work means they are not paying taxes and buying good, but using
government assistance. People worried about their jobs are also not buying
goods. Gas at almost $4 a gallon means people are spend hundreds a month on gas
and not on goods. Nobody buying goods means companies don't need to hire.
Government cuts are really job cut and if the government is laying off more than
the private jobs are created we are going no where with the economy. Nothing is
going to be fixed until people are working. we need to solve why gas is $80 a
barrel and we are paying $145 a barrel gas prices. Millionaires and Exxon
paying more is not going to kill jobs. This job bill is a joke. Fix gas prices
you fix the job problem. Make the rich pay there share in taxes we balance the
budget. Vote out all of the activist bought people in Washington we all win.
Re: Pagan "Obama is the only one who's done ANYTHING to create
jobs."I have created 2 new jobs this year. What have you done?
Pagan,It is clear you have no ability to formulate an argument on your own
and even the cut and paste style of "one liners" that you quote
provide little evidence that you know what you are talking about. The line
about a bill that would create $30 billion in spending sounds nice. However, if
that bill is anything like the government intrusion into mortgage lending, which
also sounded nice at the time because EVERYONE can borrow money to buy their own
home. What the mortgage plan failed to disclose was that there would be many
that would borrow that did not have the ability to pay the mortgage. Those
ideas as well as others you make sound so pretty, yet are so short sighted. The
largest effect on the economy was the housing market crumbling under the false
market created by your friends.
Pagan,It's not the Republicans blocking this one, it's Harry Reid.
Yesterday McConnel said to vote on it, but Harry Reid said "no", that
it was a political stunt. McConnel was just trying to do what Obama asked and
vote. But the truth is that Harry Reid knows that not many Democrats even
support the bill. Obama can't even get his own party to do it. So when
Republicans yesterday said they would vote on it, it was Reid who said no--not
the Republicans."White House calls McConnell move on jobs a
stunt"--APThere's your source.
@Pagan | 9:51 a.m. Oct. 5, 2011You are so very critical of the Bush
tax cuts, but have you taken a look at the unemployment figures?The
unemployment rate in 2010 was over 9.5% for nearly the entire year (there were a
couple of summer months at 9.4%). In December 2010, the unemployment rate was
back up to 9.8%.The Bush Tax Cuts were extended on December 17th,
2010.Unemployment dropped to 9.4% in January 2011, and has hovered
around 9% ever since. Nearly a half-percentage point drop in the unemployment
rate came immediately, and the situation has improved markedly since last
year.But, of course, this could only be a coincidence, right?
Perhaps you would agree more readily if I simply said, "although we can
never know for sure, the unemployment situation would probably have been even
worse if the tax cuts weren't extended." That approach probably sounds
more familiar to you.
This White House is disingenuous about Obamas bill. No one has sponsored the
bill in the House. It cannot be voted on until it becomes a House bill.
Cantor, Boehner and the rest of the Republicans cannot stop a bill that does not
exist. This fact seems to escape Ms. Werner. If this bill was meant to solve
the problem, the dems would be lining up to sponsor it. It is just an Obama
campaign ploy to help him to run against the evil Republicans in congress. He
is not serious about fixing the economy or creating jobs. He wants to make the
US into the socialist utopia of Europe and change our economy and success. He
needs to be defeated. The solution stop the gridlock in congress is to replace
every liberal dem with a conservative Republican who is not interested in his or
her own power.
If giving tax breaks to rich people and giant profitable corporations created
jobs we would have plenty of jobs. Let's let the "job creators" know
it is time for the jobs in this country, then, give them the tax breaks. Republicans are suppose to be great buiness people but they do not get the
most simple concerpt; revenue is needed to drive a capitolist economy. If 2% of
the people have all of the money and do not spend it here. We lose. I'm tired of
paying my taxes so rich people do not have to.
thanks but no thanks Dems. Judging from the other "jems" you have
produced in the past 3 years (Obamacare, Cap n trade, stimulus....) I just as
soon wait 12 months until we get a new president and hopefully new GOP senate
members who actually have the competency to write something that works!!! By
then the "road block" called Obama will be history as well.
Americans fed-up.Mitch McConnell moved to call the president's bluff
again and again?. Will Mitch McConnell also call the bluff of the
members of Occupy Wall Street to here?. It's people like Mitch
McConnell that woke up a sleeping bear, and 99 percent of American's are now
standing up, to get rid of fools like him, and, Take Back America. America belongs to "we the people", not these lifer's, that's been
in Congress for the past several decades. The members of Occupy Wall
Street may be as unwieldy, paradoxical, and inconsistent as those of us living
in the real world. But that is precisely why their new approach to protest is
more applicable, sustainable and actionable than what passes for politics today.
They are suggesting that the fiscal operating system on which we are attempting
to run our economy is no longer appropriate to the task. They mean to show that
there is an inappropriate and correctable disconnect between the abundance
America produces and the scarcity its markets manufacture. And in the process,
they are pointing the way toward something entirely different than the zero-sum
game of artificial scarcity favoring top-down investors and media makers alike.
re:cheffy chefRevenue is produced by the private sector not the
government and unfortunately Barack Obama being the inexperienced college
professor that he is doesn't get it. The way you turn the engine of capitalism
back on is to create an environment that is favorable for business to expand and
hire which is the exact opposite of what we see today and that is why
unemployment remains above 9%. Go ahead and tax your hated rich and see what
happens - unemployment will rise even further and the small amount of extra
revenue won't do squat for the economy. Maybe it will make you and your liberal
friends happy - for a moment - to stick it to the rich but the majority of folks
will suffer even more. The answer to a return to prosperity in America is simple
- get a new president in 2012!!
All they do in washington is create debt by stealing from us and other countries
to make themselves and their corporate and offshore banking masters rich. If you
expect them to do anything else, you will be waisting your time.
Unemployment continues to rise, because there is no incentive for those on
unemployment to take a lesser job. They get 99 weeks of pay to do nothing. I
think they should have to report to the local city or county public works and be
asked to do odd jobs to be eligible for their check. I am dismayed at the
number of people I have met who have told me that they aren't eager to go off of
unemployment because they essentially get to sit and get a check while working
jobs under the table for cash. Let's give people an incentive to get
back to work.
I am a recent college grad and I just can't wait to give my hard earned cash to
those who have chosen not to work and sacrifice as I did.YAY!!!
libs aren't signing on to o's no go job bill? usually they just sign it and then
they can find out what's in it. lefties are brilliant aren't they.
@ Brother Chuck Schroeder | 11:55 a.m. Oct. 5, 2011You do realize
that copying/pasting the words of another person and trying to pass them off as
your own is called "plagiarism," don't you?Douglas
Rushkoff would be disappointed that you lifted a full section from one of his
latest articles without giving credit where credit is due.
I hope Mitt Romney has the good political sense to not oppose this bill. If he
does he may gain some favor with the TP but will loose votes 10 to 1 or more.
The Obama Administration says the rich are not paying their fair share.
Protesters on Wall Street have signs that say "Tax the Rich". Well
according to the latest tax data from the non partisan Tax Foundation The top 5%
which constitutes an income above $159,000.00 paid over 58% of our income taxes.
I am not rich by any means, but this sure points to me that the rich are paying
more than their fair share.
Re: Hawkeye79 - 1:49 p.m. Iowa City, IA @ Brother Chuck Schroeder | 11:55
a.m. Oct. 5, 2011Douglas Rushkoff would be disappointed, give credit
where credit is due. Reply: How's this Hawkeye79 ?. DN said we can't
have more than 200 words, so I only have room, for the points n truth's. My
views. Where's the GOP jobs?. And bailouts here?. Douglas Rushkoff also
said we can blame a right wing attempting to undermine labor, or a left wing
trying to preserve unions in the face of government and corporate cutbacks. But
the real culprit at least in this case is e-mail. People are sending 22% fewer
pieces of mail than they did four years ago, opting for electronic bill payment
and other net-enabled means of communication over envelopes and stamps. The
U.S. Postal Service appears to be the latest casualty in digital technology's
slow but steady replacement of working humans. Unless an external source of
funding comes in, the post office will have to scale back its operations
drastically, or simply shut down altogether. That's 600,000 people who would be
out of work, and another 480,000 pensioners facing an adjustment in terms.
Too Funny Patriot"judging from the other "jems" you
have produced in the past 3 years (Obamacare, Cap n trade, stimulus..."Lets look at these "jems"- Obamacare with its
health care mandate was a GOP idea to combat Hillarycare- Cap n
Trade was first introduced by the Reagan Administration- The first
STIMULUS was signed by GW Bush.I just wish that you 1) knew the fact
and 2) were consistent.
Pagan,What has Obama done to earn your vote. What did he DO?
Dems are imploading! Obama can't get one Dem to sponsor his bill. The Dems
can't support Obama because they will have no shot of reelection if they are
seen standing too close to him. Obamacare and stimuluses 1 through 7 required
all of the political capital the president and the Dems had. They are trying to
coast into the next election on fumes. Hopefully, the media will
finally admit that there is enough cover to actually cover the "Fast and
Furious" and Salindra(spp?) scandals so, we can finally put this
administration out of it's misery. But, unfortunately for us, Obama is good at
deflecting blame for everything.
There's no need for Romney to even comment on the bill. Even Obama's OWN PARTY
won't sponsor it!Wall street protestors have somehow gotten the idea
that if the "rich" are taxed more, then they will have a job.
Someone needs to explain to them that it doesn't work that way.If
government collects MORE taxes, they just find other ways to WASTE the money.
They SELDOM solve any problems with their extra funds!
Tax the millionaires = reduced spending equals new recessionTax the Oil
and Gas companies = increased prices for gas to all AmericansNew Public
job works = No jobs sustained after the spending = increase in unemployment in
the futureThe big secret to more jobs is more money in the hands of the
people, not the government. Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with
socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."Ronald Regan: "Government is the problem, not the solution"
Obama may not have created any jobs, but he has organized a community (whatever
@ Brother Chuck Schroeder | 2:21 p.m. Oct. 5, 2011Funny - I never
realized that word count restrictions were a justification for copying an entire
paragraph from another work and trying to pass it off as your own. It smacks of
academic dishonesty.Oh, and FYI the unemployment rate dropped nearly
a half a percent once the Bush tax cuts were extended and have remained lower
than they were last year. Coincidence?
I think the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% need to expire, as Obama plans. But I
understand that $250,000 goes a lot farther in Salt Lake City or Portland, than
in Manhattan, or Los Angeles. The bill being re-written to tax millionaires at
an additional 5% is fine with me. This way, the Democrats can say the
Republicans are either for the millionaires or for the rest of us. I
don't agree at all with removing the part about closing loopholes for Big
Business. Come on, Senator Landrieu, Exxon, Shell, and BP are among the top 10
richest companies in the WORLD. They can well afford to pay taxes.Of course this is a jobs bill. Repubs are just mad that Obama has the bully
pulpit to promote it because he is the sitting President who happens to be
running for another term.
peacemaker | 3:07 p.m. Oct. 5, 2011 Provo, UTRonald Regan
[sic]: "Government is the problem, not the solution"==============Ronald Reagan: "We're going to close
the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to
avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were
understandable but in practice, they sometimes made it possible for millionaires
to pay nothing while a bus driver was paying 10% of his salary, and that's just
crazy." It's not just Presidents Reagan and Obama... 73% of Americans, including 66% of Republicans support making millionaires pay
their fair share.
If elections were held today, Obama wouldn't even be able to save his own job
(or create a second term for himself). Comrade Chuck Schroeder-Not only are you dishonest like the dems, you use the same excuses for
getting caught as they do.
ChristyRonald Regan took care of the problem in the 80's. What's up with
the new proposal?
Christy- Everyone agrees with doing away with tax loopholes. Are
you a Herman Cain Fan? Do you like his 9-9-9 budget plan. A brilliant way to
do away with tax loop holes.Pagan-It is not the
responsibility of the US Government to make jobs. They need to get out of the
way. In order to create jobs they have to take money from others. It is
legalized plunder. And that has really worked for the US citizens and the
employees of selyndra. 500 million lost and 1000 jobs lost. A great example of
the the poor decision making abilites of community orgainzers when it comes to
The request was blocked by Reid, who called it a "political stunt". On
who's part, the Republicans . or President Obama?
Time's running out for Obama. His "jobs" bill is nothing more than
desperate political jockeying to try and shift the public's attention away from
his own failed policies and positions. It just won't work, now or ever. And we
will not forget who in Congress helped him ramrod his out-of-control spending
into action during his first two years in office. And, please, don't argue that
Bush was the cause of all this. Let's pull the plug on Washington in 2012!
re:JoeBlow Nice try Joe. Let me clear up your confusion.. 1. Obamacare with its health care mandate was a GOP idea to combat
HillarycareHA!! Who told you this one?? The GOP has NEVER EVER
propsed a health care mandate bill at the federal level. NEVER!! Better - Cap n Trade was first introduced by the Reagan Administration- The first STIMULUS was signed by GW Bush.
So here's are some questions that no democrat seems to be able to answer:1) If this jobs/stimulus package is going to do the trick, why didn't the last
one when we spent twice as much?2) When Obama says 'the rich' who do
you think he's talking about?3) Once the money is spent and these
'shovel ready' jobs are complete, then what? It's one thing to make
a job. It's quite another to create an environment where business can grow.
And with growth comes jobs. Obama's plan doesn't grow the economy. He is
redistributing money from 'the rich' (real job creators) to the government who
can then hire workers to do a job. This is like the Rocky and
Bullwinkle show:Bullwinkle: "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit
out of my hat!"Rocky: "Again? But that trick never
works."Bullwinkle: "This time for sure!"This is
what happens when you elect someone without doing some research. This guy is
WAY in over his head.
Patriot writes "The GOP has NEVER EVER propsed a health care
mandate bill at the federal level. NEVER!!"Well, you may want
to google the following article headline from FOX NEWS, March 27, 2010"Republicans Hatched Idea for Obama's Health Insurance Mandate"Excerpt from the article - "The obligation in the new health
care law is a Republican idea that's been around at least two decades. It was
once trumpeted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary Clinton's failed health
care overhaul in the 1990s. These days, Republicans call it government
@ Mick,No, I am absolutely not a Cain fan. I was indifferent about
him until today when I heard him say that if you are out of a job and not rich,
it's your own fault. Tell that to my husband who was laid off after 20 years
when a new company took over. It's callous and out of touch to say something so
sweeping, but par for the GOP.Also, Cain's 9-9-9 plan would raise
taxes on the people who can least afford it. He's a joke and I
can't wait until his 15 minutes are up.
If the rich are taxed more, would it go to reducing the debt, or more spending?
Christy in Beaverton - So, was your husband on his way to being rich BEFORE he
lost his job? If not, he was on the wrong track anyway. Did he just give up
after 20 years or did he go out and find something else to do to make himself
rich? Look at the LEGAL immigrants from Asia and Mexico/South America who come
here destitute and become wealthy, self-made businessmen and women over a period
of years. If they can do it, why can't your husband?Cain is not my
candidate, either. But, he's right on the money when it comes to our potential
for wealth creation in America.If we don't coddle and support losers
in the GOP, we're callous and out of touch. When I'm down, I prefer a swift
kick in the butt, rather than a handout from the government.
Why on earth do we need another jobs bill? Obama's multi-trillion dollar
"stimulus" program was going to create millions of "shovel
ready" jobs, remember? Oh, wait. That's right. I forgot. The stimulus
program was an epic failure. The only thing it created was a couple trillion
dollars of additional debt. And this nonsense is just more of the same. It isn't
about jobs. It's about buying votes with the taxpayer's money.
Pagan - Government cannot create jobs. They have no money. All they can do is
transfer them from the private sector to the public sector through taxation and
squander a whole lot of money to waste, fraud, bureaucracy, inefficiency,
corruption, etc. etc. etc. in the process. I guess you haven't heard the near
unanimous conclusion from economists that Obama's trillion dollar stimulus was a
near total failure......
When I see the reaction to this article and the process in DC, it is not really
much different than the legislature making boundaries for districts. Only it is
a different party in partial control. That is what is beautiful about our
country's Constitution and it's processes to protect people. We have elections
and a court process to protect citizens against tyrants that periodically can
surface. After living in a variety of countries and seeing their process of
government, we are so blessed to have our system. Is it perfect. Not perfect
but much better than anywhere else. Some have constitutions that may sound or
appear to be similar but due to the people that get elected and the people that
vote or how they are allowed to vote is a big difference. When you go to a
polling place in some countries, they have army or police around questioning how
you vote. We have low numbers going to the polls and if people were more
involved we would have elected officials who would care more about what they do.
In our neighborhood the number of people at the caucus last time was 4-5 times
more than before.
Obama's plan to tax "the rich" is indeed class warfare. It certainly
is not a solution to any problem. According to figures from the IRS and
published in the Wall Street Journal, if we taxed all incomes of $100,000 or
more at 100%, it would produce revenues of $3.4 trillion. A large chunk of
change for sure, but still some $300 billion LESS than Obama's $3.7 trillion
budget. The problem is, and always has been, out-of-control spending on the part
of the federal government, which now exceeds 25% of the total economy. Which is
the highest level of government spending since the end of World War II. The fact
is, given the opportunity, Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi would
keeping spending money until they ran out of paper to print it on.
Seems that Democrats in blue states know that $200,000 in a high-cost-of-living
state doesn't make you rich enough to qualify as a genuine Class Enemy. I think we should start with a 50% surtax on Hollywood actors,
producers, directors, etc. Since the Democrats aren't even pretending to be for
the common good anymore -- just out for their constituencies -- let's take a
page out of their playbook and do some looting of *their* constituencies.
Obama's approval rating is around 40%. One reason is that he hasnt fixed George
Bush's mess. He really cant do it without help from the GOP and they sure arent
going to help. Congress's approval rating is less than 10% The Gop won gains in
2010 but havent done Anything. America is sick of the obstruction in washington
and will hold the GOP accountable in 2012. 75% of americans agree with Obama on
raising taxes on the rich and eliminating the Bush tax cuts that bankrupted our
nation. Republicans talk alot, they complain alot but they NEVER do anything. If
you look at what Obama has accomplished, basicaly with NO GOP help, its pretty
remarkable. Obama will win in 2012, because he is trying to fix the mess left
him By G.W. Bush. And america knows, that the GOP is doing nothing.
There needs to be drastic changes to unemployment, disability, welfare, social
security, all of it! Government handouts don't help the country! Why
is it that a single mother, waiting tables can't get help from the government
unless she quits her job, sits around all day and does nothing, but as soon as
she contributes to society her assistance is cut off?Why is it that
I know people who use food stamps for energy drinks and video games? How come half my neighbors who are perfectly capable of working get disability
and sit on their porch all day and watch the world pass them by? Why
doesn't the government seek to change all of it? It's wrong.