Jake is the guy. If this is what it takes to develop him then ok. But if the
talk about not knowing who the QB is, ends up being more than that,(just talk)
it could spell disaster for the program for years to come. I don't seem to
recall LaVell ever yanking QB's willy-nilly. In fact, I seem to remember him
staying the course with a horrible Sean Covey. In any event, if indecision was
the downfall early last season, I hope we do not have to go through it again. A
couple of lame duck passes by Nelson that fortunately ended up working out does
not solve the issues facing a bevy of untested coaches and a seriously under
performing offense. Pressure at this point, should be on Brandon Doman and the
effectiveness of his scheming as well as the entire receiving core not the QB
alone. Where is the "Band of Brothers" now?Maybe if the
team were to rally and play with the intensity with Heaps like they did for a
second stringer, we would be blowing out teams instead of eking out close games.
I think Heaps can be a great quarterback if he learns how to take time in the
pocket. Thats what Nelson was good about, he was able to take his time, and
scramble if he needed more time. I just don't know if Nelson will be able to
make the throws, last year he would try to run it too much, so when teams made
him beat them through the air, he couldn't do it. I say give Heaps one more
chance and if he can't be productive against San Jose St. Nelson deserves to be
His hair's not even long. Give me a break. Riley, you and your long hair can
come hang out with my beard any day, and we can go take tests and not worry
about it. Admittedly, this is a terrible way to spend time with anyone.
This is probably a good thing for Heaps, and BYU. Prior to his benching, Heaps
came across as a believer in his own hype. And often times when that happens,
the effort on the field is less-than 100%.I doubt Heaps thought he'd
lose the starting job. Now that he has, and how he's seen so many fans get
behind Nelson, it will probably motivate him further.The next time
Heaps is called on to start, he better get the job done or BYU may show him the
JustAsking,I politely disagree. Jake is not the guy. He is a frightened
boy. Furthermore, either Lark or Nelson would and will do more on their feet
and with their arms than Heaps has shown he can do. You may be from St. George
but you apparently had nothing to do with high school football down here a few
years back. If so you would have seen first hand two young men, who even then
were physically more advanced than Heaps has worked, or not worked, to be. Lark
was incredible to watch and Nelson was a literal nightmare for both Hurricane
and Pineview in the semis and finals of the '05 season. Problem is neither of
these boys hired publicists during high school. They were also enjoying time
starring in multiple sports and devoted to high GPA's as well as preparing for
missions. As a former QB, I can see that Jake is clearly, absolutely, NOT the
guy. And, since you brought up Lavell, there have been numerous postings in
these threads of QB shuffles back in the day, even without prima donnas and
their publicists that Lavell never had to deal with.
Doman is the problem, not the QB spot.The problem is bigger than the
QB spot. It is the entire offense. Without a good running game, neither Heaps
nor Nelson will have much success as a QB. No team prepares much for BYU's run
game, so they can sit back and cover the pass. Sadly, BYU is relying on a QB to
run the ball. The running backs need to be the ones doing this and keeping the
opposing defense honest. If Nelson has to throw and run, he's not
going to last that long. He got beat up last year just playing half of the
time. The poor running game and poor passing game has one common problem, and
thats Doman. Doman needs to step. He needs to use the tools available to him.
Heaps comments make me want to throw up. By what he says you would think he had
just been diagnosed with some disease or lost a family member. "I am taking
it in stride" "I am taking it one day at a time." "It was
very unexpected." "I'm fine" Give me a break. Go RileyGo Cougs
Jake said he was surprised he was pulled. Really? I think everyone was
surprised he wasn't pulled earlier. It shows he has a ways to go in maturing.
I hope he will eventually catch up to his promoted talent level but I'm not
holding my breath.
IMO, I think Riley should start this week for a couple of reasons. But let me
preface this by saying Riley is NOT the answer. Jake is the long term answer for
BYU qbFirst, Riley came in the game v USU with like 5 min left in
the 3rd, and led the Cougars in dramatic come-back fashion to beat the Aggies.
Mid-way through the 3rd I had already mentally prepared myself for the loss and
the crowd was like a deflated balloon. Riley made that game fun. He made some
"lucky" plays and ended up winning it for the Cougs. You cant then
turn around and start the other guy after all that happened.Second,
Jake needs to learn that the job just isnt "his" to have no matter
what happens. If Jake under performs (like he has all season) game after game,
what will be his motivation to get better? If he sees that "yes, they will
bench me if I am not playing well" I think that will give him some mental
toughness. Start Riley and pick a scenario, Jake should play in the
second half or at least the 4th qtr.
The only thing I have to add is, "and that's OK." A little slice of
humble pie is probably the best thing for him in many ways. Hopefully it'll
produce a personal turn-around for him against San Jose State, because I believe
he should still start ... at least one more game. Go, Cougs!
I think that Riley gives us the best chance to win while Doman gets his
bearings. That is for a few reasons: 1st, he plays a very similar style to
Doman, so Doman knows how to play-call for his skill-set; 2nd, he is tough and
the team would follow him off a cliff if he told them they'd make it. I would
love to see Nelson take the reins because of his leadership, and I think that we
can win with him. He makes up for a lot of limitations that are caused by an
Heaps will be fine. He's got the arm strength and ability to throw accurately.
Now he just needs to learn a little patience, to wait a second longer for a
receiver to break open, to move a little in the pocket to create a passing lane,
to learn how to put a little touch on his passes instead of rifling every throw,
and most importantly, to develop greater maturity and more urgency to do
whatever it takes to win.
To continue as BYU's starting QB, Jake needs to solve his touch issue and his
inability to be patient enough to check down. Doman can help in the patience
department with a few roll-outs here and there. Maybe.I'd start
Riley vs SJSU and see whether he can produce. If not, bring Jake in and see if
HE can. If not, then give Lark a shot.I wouldn't start Jake unless
they see during practice that he can put touch on the ball and do his reads
before throwing.I'm really curious about Lark. He seemed to always
have good stats in Fall Practice, albeit with 2nd-teamers.
All Nelson needs to do is trim his hair on the back and around his ears and it's
fine. It doesn't need to be clean cut like a missionary. His hair isn't
extreme in any way. I kind of like it. Hope he doesn't chop it all off. It
gives him some power!!!Oregon State game will get televised. But if
not, how dare they not televise a "champion" conference school. Some
I would go with Heaps now that Nelson cut his hair:)
I've heard that there will be NO television for the Oregon State game. Haven't
we been told repeatedly by certain folks up north that EVERY PAC 12 game is
supposed to be nationally televised?
finding out who is productive in practice? That's the problem with byu over and
over and over. they're great in practice, against each other, but getting on the
field and performing is another thing. byu has had a fine record since bronco
took over, but against good teams they have been less than steller. and when
they do win it's barely (USU, Ole Miss, OK). How about a solid victory against a
good team?Anyway, the person to provide the best leadership and
production is Nelson. Why do people think Heaps is the long term answer? All he
has done is be an all-american HS qb, and in college ranks he has a strong arm,
oh and a big talker. what else has he done to show he is the long term solution?
It's time to start grooming another guy, or give it over the Larks for a game or
two. byu will win 5 of 7 the rest of the year IF I went under center, so it
really doens't matter who plays, but it shouldn't be heaps he hasn't earned
it...except for maybe in practice, according to bronco...
Lets get real. Jake needs a qb coach, hire Ty detmer! Doman is a rookie
offensive coordinator, he's still figuring out where to sit.if Jake is looking
tentative it may be a lack of confidence in doman .
Heaps just needs to grow his hair out. He'll be fine.
Mendenhall is keeping the QB thing under wraps to prevent the D from preparing
for one or the other. Smart move.To play Nelson over Heaps now may
end Heaps BYU career let alone whatever confidence he has left. Taking it in
stride translates to depression.Nelson is the more mature guy and
can likely handle the situation better than Heaps. I say play Heaps until he
struggles again at OSU or TCU and force the better teams to prepare for Heaps.
After Heaps stinks it up in the first half bring in Nelson for a change-up and
we may finally beat TCU again. If Heaps actually delivers against
the weaker competition and then against OSU and TCU QB quandry over. Heaps has
learned from being benched and becomes a better QB and person as a result. If
not let him transfer. BYU has done better with less recruited talent in the
past and will be just fine without him. Still need to let him succeed or fail
First off, Riley shouldn't have to apologize for his hair. It's not out of
control, or down to the middle of his back. He is fine. But heaps should have
been surprised. He had been given so many opportunities and never capitalized. I
think it was his job until he lost it by not producing. Nelson came in and was
productive. He even completed a pass or two. It wasn't the most pretty motion,
but he did it and that's all that matters. I think you give Heaps chances here
and there. But it should be his job to gain back. Riley has shown he can spark
the offense. Heaps can definitely learn a lot from Riley. Nelson not only can
take a hit put he looks to give one. If I was bronco i would put Heaps on
Punt/Kickoff practice squad and teach him how to take a hit and be tough.
utahcountyute,Ok, that's a funny entry! See Y fans, there are U fans on
here who are funny...on purpose.BTW, just the Nelson hair cut part is
funny. The go with Heaps part...not so much.
I think people are giving Jake too much lee way. If he's half as good as
everyone thinks he is it would have shown by now. People complain about bad OC
and WR but those are just excuses. Remember Max Hall came in here with a lot
less D1 experience as a sophmore and did just fine. Even last year against poor
teams Jake's brilliance was still just ok. And this year all the teams we have
played were poor and he's doing even worse.
Riley, you're refreshing thanks!
AFCoug,Quarterback depression? We don't need a wimp.Heaps should demand the bench. Wait a year and half and make his move.
If I'm Bronco, I'm telling my defense during practice to pressure Heaps on every
play until he gets used to being a target. Defenses know they just have to get
near him and he panics anyway.That being said, I still think Heaps
should be starting but bring Nelson in on some plays to change it up.
@ Clueless in the Dark"I've heard that there will be NO
television for the Oregon State game. Haven't we been told repeatedly by certain
folks up north that EVERY PAC 12 game is supposed to be nationally
televised?"As it turns out! You weren't LISTENING to those
folks up north or to Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott when the TV contracts were
announced a few months ago. The 2011 football season is the last year of the
"OLD" Pac-10 tv contracts. Of course you won't see Oregon State, or
Utah playing KJZZ! Commissioner Scott renegotiated the "NEW" tv
contracts so that EVERY Pac-12 football and mens basketball game will be
"NATIONALLY" televised on either ESPN, FOX, or the Pac-12 Networks.
The new tv contracts will begin for the 2012 football season for 12 years. Now
you've been correctly informed!Please Riddles, stop making things
up! Your making yourself look foolish!
I wonder if the coaches were all hoping that Heaps would have gone on a mission.
Then they would have Nelson and Lark playing while he's gone and Jake could
have backed up Lark his Sophomore year and start as a Junior and Senior.
I always thought that Heaps needed a bigger helmet but it had nothing to do with
growing out his hair.
re:utahcountyute "I always thought that Heaps needed a bigger helmet but
it had nothing to do with growing out his hair."That's funny!
Thanks.Give Nelson the nod for right now. He's got a lot of guts,
maturity and drive and he's not afraid to hit or get hit. Sure would
like to see Lark play some. Didn't get a chance to see him in high school.
PAC 12 loves UGet your own facts straight:Fact: The
BYU-Oregon State game NOT being televised, even regionally.Fiction:
That EVERY PAC 12 game next season will be nationally televised.
Bronco, you are really going to wait for a whole week of practice to decide
this?!I don't care how well Jake does in practice this week, look
what he has done in games; nothing. About the only good performance he has had
was against UTEP in the Sun Bowl. Let Riley take the reins like he should have
been able to do last year. You would be better off putting all
5'11" 165lbs. of Alex Kuresa in rather than let Heaps and his arrogance
continue. At least you would have composure and leadership at QB.
PAC 12 loves USorry to burst your bubble, but televising a PAC 12
game on the subscription-only PAC 12 Network isn't even remotely equivalent to a
Nationally televised game on ESPN.How many fans outside the PAC 12
are going to subscribe to the PAC 12 Network?How many Utah fans
currently have a subscription to the Big Ten Network?Stop spinning
and just accept reality that most of Utah's PAC 12 games are going to end up on
a PAC 12 Network REGIONAL broadcast.
PAC 12 loves cluelessYou really are if you believe that every Utah
game next season will be nationally televised.
Bronco stated " it was only one game, one half " Hello just think what
Riley would have done with the entire game. I think it is a good
strategy to not announce who the starter will be why give your opposition a leg
up in game prep., that is smart, but the other comment not so much.Bronco must find a way to round up the herd so to speak, of all the media
attention and out of control rhetoric that comes from him, his staff and his
knuckle head sophomoric qb and regain the media upper hand.Lastly,
who cares if Heaps transfers the stable is full of talent and new recruits so
bye bye Heaps.
Is there any way Utah could get Chase Hansen a year early? We play him tomorrow
night and I would dearly love not to have to deal with his athleticism.
HAIRGATE!!!Really?! Ryley, if your hair length is bothering people, I am not
one of them. I'm as bald as a que ball and I am jealous of anyone with hair.
Was it a little long for the honor code? Maybe. Should people be complaining
about it? Only if they have no life at all! Ryely, if that's the only problem
you have while at BYU you'll be doing pretty dang good! Go Sampson...I mean
Ryely.Good luck to both qb. Both are fine young men with great
Don't worry about your hair Nelson, the only ones really worried/ offended are
the self appointed U judges from Salt Lake. They are really good about telling
others how they should live. You just keep winning.
It seems that Jake is much more inclined to be patient and condescending
regarding his progress than anyone else is. Why is it that these guys have to be
mollycoddled and pampered into performing?? My guess is that most of the good
ones don't. Jake came in with huge hype and hasn't lived up to it. Whatever the
reason, it's up to him to either perform or get out of the way. If her were
honestly self-evaluating, he wouldn't have been the least bit surprised
...indeed, the biggest fan question is "What took so long?" It would
probably serve Jake and the program well for him to be backing up and carrying a
clipboard for the rest of this season, and redshirting next. Meanwhile, wonders
could occur with a high quality quarterbacks coach (Ty Detmer?) added to the
staff. Can you imagine Heaps' strength with Detmer's touch and accuracy? It is
painfully clear is that Jake isn't nearly as D-1 ready as Jake thinks he is; he
needs to back up, get serious about learning the parts he lacks, and catch up on
his skills, both physical and mental. It could save his career.
How many bad games does 'Hypes' have to play before somebody realizes the
emperor has no clothes?
Riley Nelson made a commitment to maintain certain behavior, etc., that, yes,
includes the length of his hair. Regardless of whether people think hair length
is trivial or not, he made that commitment. If he is sincere in his apology for
breaking his commitment, it shows integrity. Most people can keep the
"big" commitments. It's adherence to the little ones that is the best
indicator of an individual's character.
Why isn't the game being televised? I thought that all of the games would
either be on an ESPN network or BYUTV.
I find it amazing that the school will look past its football players violating
the honor code but will hold the rest of the school, including basketball team,
to the standards. When will the leaders of the Church step in?
Bastiatarian, his hair wasn't even too long. My hair has been as long when I've
gone to take a test. People just got all upset about something that wasn't an
issue - it can go down to your collar.
Nelson did a great job of rallying the team to victory last Fri but I would
start Heaps, knowing that Riley can be that spark the team may need. Riley still
can't make the throws necessary and if teams loadup in the box they will stop
his scrambling and the offense will stall just like it did last yr. Start Heaps
, but let him know that if he struggles, Nelson will be brought in asap. If we get the chance, I would love to see how Lark would do.
Bring in Tanner Mangum and see what he can do, as a senior in high school!
"Riley Nelson made a commitment to maintain certain behavior, etc., that,
yes, includes the length of his hair. Regardless of whether people think hair
length is trivial or not, he made that commitment. If he is sincere in his
apology for breaking his commitment, it shows integrity. Most people can keep
the "big" commitments. It's adherence to the little ones that is the
best indicator of an individual's character."And where does
piety and being judgmental fall as an "indicator of an individual's
Jake needs a quarterback coach. Hire Robbie Bosco now. He could step in and be
effective on day one. Brandon Doman is busy trying to be oc. You don't turn into
Norm Chow or Robert Lanae overnight. We have a young and inexperienced coaching
staff. Let's not blame Jake for coaching mistakes. Ty Detmer may be a good long
term solution if Robbie doesn't want the job. But Bosco is a true blue cougar
and champion. If. Called. He would. Serve!
Anae.... typo sorry Robert, Brad, Matt.
Have one play one series and the other play the other series---it is only fair.
It is ironic that the passing suffers because the running suffers.
Nelson got lucky. A fast defense will expose him and he will cough up the ball
just like with Utah. USU's defense was too slow to capitalize on all those
broken plays. Heaps will be broken mentally by this, Nelson will be a flash in
the pan and BYU will not get anywhere this season. I find it ironic that Doman
is the O coordinator now, he basically ignored Crowton and ran his own plays.
Heaps should just run his own plays . He was doing fine.
Heaps blew a big opportunity in the utah state game, he had receivers wide open
majority of the night and either otherthrew them or just flatout missed them. He
gets to antsy in the pocket and rushes his throws, his confidence is gone and im
puzzled as to how he suddenly lost it after how he finished last season. You
have to bench him for two reasons, one he needs a wake up call, something to get
him motiviated and to do some soul searching as to why he is having the issues
he is. Second, how can you go back to him when Riley came in and lead BYU to a
comeback win? what kind of message does that send to the rest of the team if you
allow Heaps to remain the starting QB when he really isnt getting it done? The
team responds better to Riley right now and so you have to go with him. Now this
doesnt mean Heaps is done, he is still young and has time to get things fixed,
he has all the physical tools he just needs to get things straight in his head
and play with more confidence.
Don't apologize, Riley.
I have to think that Heaps will be worse if and when he does play now that
Bronco has clearly shown he has no confidence in him. This was really poor
judgment by Bronco. You can do this sort of thing with every position EXCEPT QB
and Bronco will soon find that out. If Bronco really thinks Nelson is the man
then BYU football is headed for the cellar. Brad Rock was right - the QB
decision was clearly decided LAST YEAR and Heaps was heads and shoulders about
Nelson. You don't pull Heaps just because he is struggling with a new
offense..you work with your QB in practice to make him better. With Heaps it
isn't a physical or skill thing .. it is just a problem with the new Doman
offense which is partly Domans fault but all that can be fixed. With Nelson it
is clearly is a skill thing and there is nothing you can do about that. Nelson
is too small and his throwing ability is high school-ish. BAD MOVE BRONCO!!!
Riley did more in half a game then Heaps has done all season. Bench Heaps. It's
time to put Riley to the test. I really am not impressed with Heaps. And really?
The length of Riley's hair was an issue? AND he had to apologize? Ridiculous.
Should not have been newsworthy. Go with Riley and see how he performs. I think
Heaps is done. He will never make it to the pros, at least not the NFL. He will
never to drafted. Doman needs to be demoted back to quarterbacks coach and a
new offensive co-ordinator needs to be hired. If not, the offense will continue
to be and look lethargic and anemic. It's Riley's turn. I'm just not so sure
Bronco is brave enough to make that decision.