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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 4 2011 7:34 p.m. MDT

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md
Cache, UT

Class warfare is wrong.

IDC
Boise, ID

Hmmmmm. I wonder why he called it "jobs bill" instead of "didn't work before, can't pay for it, should pay down the debt instead, bill?" Oh, I forgot to add "didn't create jobs last time either" bill. One trick pony.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

Then the rich should pay taxes.

Everyone is acting like the GOP is the one that initially presented this jobs bill.

Wrong. It was Obama who got off his tail and did something about jobs. Now, the Republican House, after a defeat, gutted it and are pretending to care about Americans having jobs.

Tell me, the Bush tax cuts were initially passed in 2001.

Where, are those jobs?

md
Cache, UT

Pagan: The "rich" already pay more than their share of taxes in this country. Everyone should pay their fair share. How about a flat tax, with no loopholes?

cindyacre
Shelley, ID

LOOK at 375-376 sections of this "jobs" bill, more specifically, this statement:

GENERAL-
(A) WAIVER- A State's receipt or use of Federal financial assistance for any program or activity of a State shall constitute a waiver of sovereign immunity, under the 11th Amendment to the Constitution or otherwise, to a suit brought by 134 an employee or applicant for employment of that program or activity under this Act for a remedy authorized under Section 375(c) of this Act.

LoveLife
Riverton, UT

Pagan,
You sooo do not get it.

Obama is running all over the country blaming the Republicans for not passing the bill. McConnell wants the vote to prove that it is not just the Republicans holding it up.

I don't think anyone in the GOP wants credit for that piece of garbage.

Apparently there were no lessons learned by the President when his last budget proposal was voted down 97-0.

However, you do fail to realize (or at least acknowledge), that the GOP did put forth "The House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators" on May 26, 2011. They have passed many pieces of legislation tied to this plan and those are now stuck in the Senate. So, it is a flat out lie to say Republicans don't care or haven't done anything for job creation. You may not agree with the plan, but that doesn't mean it is non-existent.

cindyacre
Shelley, ID

You can find the bill on the Whitehouse . gov website.

Beenlistening
CENTRAL, UT

The richest 1% of Americans have 70% of the wealth of this entire country. They can afford to pay more in taxes. They don't have to worry about keeping one house for their family. They have several houses. They don't have to worry about feeding their family. They put their money away in trust funds for their children. They have no worries. Why can't they pay a fair amount for the good of this country. They don't seem to be using their wealth to create jobs, do they? Ten years of Bush tax cuts have created NO jobs. Why not make the tax rates the same as they were before Bush lowered them?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The real reason Reid blocked this vote is because even he KNOWS it will be defeated-not enough votes! Most Democrats do not support it! So much for the lie that the Republicans are blocking job creation! Fool us once (first "simulus" scam)shame on Obama. Fool us twice, shame on us! Apaprently Americans are so easily fooled anymore!

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ been listening. It doesn't matter how much taxes the "rich" pay because the government will only squander and waste much of it (Solyndra is a recent example). As it is,the top income producers already pay about 80% of all federal income taxes while 42% of Americans pay no income taxes at all!How much is the "rich's" fair share? 80%? How about 100%? Do you really think it will make any difference at all? We will never tax our way out of the massive debt the government has accumulated by their out of control spending! There has to be spending cuts because even the rich can't get us out of debt!

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

@Pagan | 8:18 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011

You ask where the jobs are that were supposed to be created by the tax cuts for the wealthy. One could easily take the easy way out (similar to our current administration) by saying, "Unemployment would be even worse if the tax cuts didn't exist." Still, there is better information available.

The unemployment rate in 2010 was over 9.5% for nearly the entire year (there were a couple of summer months at 9.4%). In December 2010, the unemployment rate was back up to 9.8%.

The Bush Tax Cuts were extended on December 17th, 2010.

Unemployment dropped to 9.4% in January 2011, and has hovered around 9% ever since. Nearly a half-percentage point drop in the unemployment rate came immediately, and the situation has improved markedly since last year.

What could have happened in December that would have made such a difference in January and the following months?

Beenlistening
CENTRAL, UT

@ Mountainman, history has proven that a country must spend money on infrastructure, etc. to create jobs in times of recession. The GOP tried cutting spending 7 years after the stock market crashed in 1929. It caused the recession to deepen. Only after FDR created jobs, spent money on infrastructure projects, made the rich pay their fair share of taxes, etc. did the economy begin to revive. The rich had all of the money before the stock market crashed in 1929 also. The "World Almanac" explains it all.

bebot
SHAWNEE MISSION, KS

The answer isn't more taxation. 35% federal tax is high enough. Almost 10% sales tax is high enough, 6% state income tax is enough. 8 years in Iraq is enough, 10 years in Afghanistan is enough. 20 years in saudi Arabia is enough. It's a spending problem not an income problem. Keep taxing the rich, corporations, or anyone else who makes this economy run, and you'll continue to see them leave to India and china. Rich people ame corporations don't want to pay for the USA to occupy the whole world.

I'm not the smartest guy in the world but here's a few simple ideas to lower the deficit.

1. Leave Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and every country that we have no business occupying. It's not our job/responsibility/obligation to police the world. We wil continue to ruin our country if we don't stop our foreign policy,

2. Release nonviolent drug offenders from prison. I don't condone drug use but the cost to imprison a crack user for 5 years is not worth it. It costs 47,000 a year to keep someone in federal prison.

3. Have a responsible government, how many billions are unaccounted for.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ been listening. History has proven that massive government debt has caused economic turmoil in Greece, Spain and England as it is in America. Investments in infastructure are paid everytime you and I buy a gallon of gasoline which taxes ($.35/Gal state taxes and $.11.gal federal) are supposed to go for highways, bridges etc, not the other way around. The vast majority of our debt has not come from spending on infastructure but on social entitlments. FDR did not end the depression, the second world war did! The "rich" lost their money in the stock market crash because they are the the only ones who had money in the stock market. The poor do not have money to invest in anything! When taxes are raised job creators have less money to invest in expansion, hiring, and investment in anything, including the stock market. That's why we must reduce our massive $14.5 trillion debt. We will never tax our way out of this mess!

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'The unemployment rate in 2010 was over 9.5% for nearly the entire year (there were a couple of summer months at 9.4%). In December 2010, the unemployment rate was back up to 9.8%.
The Bush Tax Cuts were extended on December 17th, 2010.' - Hawkeye79 | 9:46 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011

This is a foolish reply.

As, Clinton left office with unemployment around 4.5% unemployment in 2001.

The intial Bush tax cuts, were passed in 2001.

And today, even YOU cite unemployment at:

9.8%.

So, how EFFECTIVE were the tax cuts for those 'job creators?'

Answer: The natioanl unemployment rate has almost DOUBLED since we started giving the wealthy tax breaks.

And instead of focus on it's CREATION, and legislation from it's begining.

You want to focus on...December.

One year, out of ten.

To pick and choose the numbers you want to believe....

instead of the doubling of the natioanl debt AND unemployment...

under Republican leadership.

That dominated the House, Senate and Presidency from 2001-2006.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'Obama is running all over the country blaming the Republicans for not passing the bill. (sic) So, it is a flat out lie to say Republicans don't care or haven't done anything for job creation.' - LoveLife | 8:54 p.m. Oct. 4, 2011

Really?

*Republicans block small business lending bill' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 07/29/10

'The bill would create a $30 billion government fund to help community banks increase lending to small businesses...'

*'Republicans bail on budget talks, blame Democrats' - By David Espo - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/23/11

You realize you shot your own argument when you try to claim the Republicans are trying to create jobs...

on OBAMA'S bill!

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

The Senate Republicans called Obama's bluff be demanding an immediate vote on his jobs bill but Reid said no. The Senate Democrats are scrambling to rewrite portions of the bill they don't even like. The problem, Mr. Obama, is within your own party.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "Pagan | 10:04 a.m. " you are just rambling off topic. The fact of the matter is simple. Obama is blaming the GOP for not passing HIS jobs bill.

The Republicans said, ok, lets put Obama's jobs bill up for a vote. Harry Reid, Democrat, said NO, he would not allow Obama's jobs bill to be voted on.

Whine all you want about Republicans, but in this instance it was the Democrats saying NO to Obama's jobs bill being voted on.

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