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Published: Sunday, Oct. 2 2011 8:05 p.m. MDT

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Andermart
Pullman, WA

I think it is great that we can partner with Apostles and Prophets in moving this incredible, eternal work forward. Let us be faithful and open our mouths. This is a great time to be a member of the Lords church. May you all join hands with us in being the Lords hands on the earth.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

I will respect your rights to believe in the laws of your God and live as you see fit. I will not try to compel you by legal force to obey my lifestyle. I urge you to do the same for me.

AlanW
LAS VEGAS, NV

Bill in Nebraska, I do understand that it is not polygamy on earth and nobody would even say that it was. However, if you truly believe what is taught in the Mormon faith you will realize it is polygamy in heaven if you are sealed to more than one wife at different times. That is my point, and if you deny that and say it isn't you are simply fooling yourself. So, if an apostle or prophet says that the Mormon Church no longer practices polygamy I would like to know what it is. The Church believes that if your wife dies you are still sealed to her, thus married to her, yet you may take on another wife. Sure sounds like polygamy to me. But maybe I do understand it a bit better than most.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

The Truth:

Read Exodus 19, about God commanding the Israelites to kill anyone who crosses the borders set around Sinai, and you tell me about the morals. Read Exodus 21, where we learn about the proper treatment of slaves - and pay particular attention to who owns their spouse and offspring. In short, if a bond servant takes a wife during their bond period, technically she belongs to the bondservants master. If after the period of his bond is up, he would like to keep his wife and children (presumably, some Israelites loved their wives and children) all he had to do was indenture himself as a slave to his master indefinately. This is all prior to when Israel supposedly broke the law by worshipping the Golden Calf. In other words, no matter how you slice it, those morals have clearly changed...unless you are going to argue that employers today should be able to keep the wives of those employees who marry while working for their company.

Secondly - who says that punishments have nothing to do with morals??? How does the administration of justice work, if the punishment does not fit the crime? Just Deserts?

sharrona
layton, UT

(Polygamy)Obviously the holy practice will commence again after the Second Coming of the Son of Man and the ushering in of the millennium. (Mormon Doctrine p. 578 Bruce R. McConkie)

Bill in Nebraska, The law does not carry over to death.But, We(Mormons) believe marriage is an earthly ordinance and must be done here. We believe those who were sealed in the Temple here on earth, and live faithful to their covenants with God, continue their family relationships in Heaven. John Walsh ,Fair LDS.

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

Bill:

I think the distinction that needs to be made here is that no one is arguing whether mainstream Mormons "practice" polygamy. You are correct, as clearly they don't. From the standpoint of the current model of family life practiced and advocated by the mainstream Church, families consist of a father (singular) and mother (singular), married to each other who raise their children. Now, of course there are split families (I come from one myself), where the family is a bit more ambiguous as result of divorce or death of one of the spouse's - but, for all intents and purposes, Mormons practice marriage where a man or woman may only be married to one living spouse at a time. No one is disputing this!

The question remains however, what about the "doctrine" of polygamy into the eternities. While Church leaders have clearly stated that Mormons no longer practice polygamy, they have never renounced the doctrine that Polygamy is the Celestial order of marriage, and that God himself is a polygamist. Further, that any Mormon seeking exhaltation will ultimately live this higher law of marriage in the Celestial realms, as per section 132. Mormons do "believe" in polygamy!

Zed
Orem, UT

AlanW,

You argument contains a fatal flaw of logic. It is the same fatal flaw that those who condemn baptism for the dead fall into.

There are two possibilities here. The LDS church and it's doctrines are true...or they are not. Your argument loses in either case.

If the doctrines of the church are true, then the way the church handles the specifics of temple marriage are correct in the sight of God. In this case, you are clearly on the wrong side of the argument.

If the church is not correct, then you are essentially arguing over a brief variant of meaningless words said once inside a temple that have no efficacy whatsoever in this life or the next. The fact is that a man and a woman are living in an exclusively monogamous relationship. Again, in this case, as polygamy is defined and understood by the entire world, you are wrong.

So, you see, as to the church leaders "lying" about polygamy, if the church is correct, you are wrong. If the church is incorrect, you are still wrong. In neither case is the church lying, as much as you'd like to imagine they are.

MarieDevine Divine-Way
Kansas City, MO

RE: the truth, answer to Mormoncowboy.
In Doctrines and Covenants 136:37? God told Brigham Young that he could not bear God's glory until he follows all God's commandments from Adam-Joseph Smith Jr..

God's laws to Moses were guidance for the promised land, to be lived every day, where-ever they were. We suffer consequences for failure to pay our tithes, or keep the Sabbath day, the commanded 7th day, Saturday as a day of no work. We block the kingdom of God for ourselves and the Jews who cannot accept a Messiah who guides against the Law of Moses.

October 8th is Day of Atonement, day of fasting and no work. Leviticus 23 is God's promise to cut off those who will not. He cannot lie. Our best outreach to Jews and our greatest gain in holiness is following God's commandments. We should not risk our place in eternity. Correction is needed from the prophet on down.

the truth
Holladay, UT

RE: Mormoncowboy

The punishment fits the crime if you covenant to live by the mosaic law.

If God commands it is okay to do, how can it not be?

It is not okay for us to just go kill on our own initiative,

There are times and conditions where God has said it is okay. (perhaps it fulfills a higher law or need or purpose)

(Should God let a nation dwindle in disbelief or suffer a life to be taken? whihc fulfills a greater or higher purpose?)

God in his infinite wisdom and understanding and knowledge certainly knows what is moral and right and best,

for us, we are to obey his commandments including those he gives to us later,

(to obey is better than to sacrifice)

because we may not understand, it does not make something immoral or wrong.

It is the spirit of the law that is unchanging, not the letter of the law.

Keeping God's commandments is higher than the law thou shall not kill.

goldfever
St. George, U

The prophet gives revelation? Since when has a Mormon prophet given revelation?

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To AlanW: The thing is that polgamy is a correct principle when followed and allowed by the Lord. It was done in Old Testament times and even in some countries carried on today. The Church doesn't practice polgamy for the living as it has been stated. What happens after death no earthly law has authority over. Yes, polgamy is practiced on the other side of the veil. Yes, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does practice on the other side of the veil. In fact, it is even taught if one cares to listen. Fact, is does it really matter.

When we say we don't practice polgamy it is true, we do not. You will not find one member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints married to two different women at the same time currently. What happens on the otherside of the veil is ruled completely and entirely by the Lord, not by us.

Whether you want to believe it or not, the children of your grandfather has no authority to demand who he is sealed to. That is entirely up to him. I stand by the Prophet of the Lord.

Stay the Course
Salt Lake City, utah

Can someone tell me how this became a comment board on polygamy? The original story had nothing to do with it.
A comment on another story I tried to make was censored by DN they should have censored the first comment on polygamy to be consistent
It is so off topic for this article on President Monson

Firepower
SAINT GEORGE, UT

Very powerful talk, he gave the people of the LDS church(Which I am LDS)

Northern
Logan, UT

Confrence was uplifting, renewing and delightful.
I wish there was more, other than the 20 years of talks you can download on your phone. It just always leaves me wanting more.
To all the grumpys out there, if you don't like it then don't read it. It's not like your going to change anyone's mind.

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