Utah will learn and get better. BYU's Kyle W. is a great coach for the U. and
he'll measure what is wrong with the Ute system and talent and improve against
better competition. Eventually, they will constantly compete well.BYU will also improve. Their cupcakes in the upcoming weeks will build some
confidence so the above average players will get their timing down and be ready
for the better teams. If they stay independent, they'll improve and compete.
That is the nature of sports and competition.Anyone who makes a
sweeping declarative statement that either program is mire in mediocrity just
doesn't understand competition in athletics.
This is an article about Utah football and the PAC 12 but most of the posters
are BYU fans. Just can't get the big boys and that drubbing you took from the
Utes, 54-10, out of your heads can you. And your excuses for commenting on this
article are pretty lame when most of you state that it is because of what the
Ute fans had to say after the 54-10 blow out. Well, I read everyone of those
comments after the Utah vs BYU game and almost every comment from a Ute fan was
in response to the constant drum beating all summer long how BYU was going to
put a beat down on Utah on September 17th.
@ bradleyc | 6:37 p.m. Oct. 2, 2011 Layton, UT Yup, and for
decades to come.
I think what tripped the predictions of prognosticators up is the fact that Utah
had a pretty good record against the Pac 10 as a member of the MWC. The
difference is that it's tougher for coaching to bridge the gap in level of play
on a week to week basis as opposed to preparing for a game against a Pac 10 team
every now and then. Before everyone quits on him, Whittingham is a great coach.
This is going to take some time though.The real problem for Utah
getting off to a slow start could be with recruiting. I expected Pac 12
affiliation to give them at least an initial boost. Currently, Scout shows them
sitting with a class ranked in the high sixties. Rankings don't
mean everything but, I don't think laying a (4-8) egg for example is going to
help improve upon that number. The back half of the Pac 12 recruits in this
range as well but, to consistently compete with the top Utah is going to have to
do better. It will be interesting to see what demolishing BYU did to help
I hate the "Ifs and Buts" game, but... How different is this game if
Utah scores instead of turning the ball over on those two early drives.
Washington is now playing from behind, and maybe becomes a little more one
dimensional. When you're playing from behind like the Utes were, the game
changes. Hopefully we can get the mistakes corrected, and move forward. I
don't think the Utes are done by any means. Keep working hard and they will get
there! Go Utes!
I think we all knew it would be tough. But there's no looking back. I would
rather go through seasons like this and have the wins really mean something than
spend another year in the MWC and go 12-0 regularly.
Ricardo CarvalhoRationalize it any way your want to, but Washington
is not a strong team. They have struggled this year and were a 10 point underdog
at Utah. Utah-BYU and Washington-Utah: same script just different teams.
Not to worry Utah. Your bowl game was in Provo. The season was a success right?
I did not see the game and wish I had because I am a big BYU fan. But I do want
to see Utah do well in the PAC 12 because weather they agree or disagree, they
still represent all the schools in the non BCS conferences who think they
belong. Because of that fact, I wish the Utes well and hope they win the rest of
your conference games. Go Cougars.
The Utes definitely have the talent to compete in the Pac-12, IMO, the problem
is coaching! Look at Boise St, TCU, and Urban Meyers two year coaching stint at
Utah. He immediately turned the football program around and into a up and
coming powerhouse. Coaching is what disciplines players to play smart, well
disciplined football. COACHING is key to success! Utes coaching is good, not
great. Hope they can turn this thing around fast and not just the quarterback
position, but the overall team play. Go UTES!
For years in Utah I have heard by both BYU and Utah fans that the Pac-10 (now
12) was overrated. Now that you know what those of us that have grown up in
Pac-10 territory and are Pac-10 grads know, is this still an overrated
conference? Utah destroys BYU and BYU barely beats a middle of the pack WAc
team in Utah State. College football in Utah this year is bad. Now with Wynn
hurt, maybe the Utes will recruit a little more depth at QB. You guys wanted to
play with the big boys and you got it. All teams go through cycles of great
teams and average to below average teams. There are no more UNM, UNLV, Wyomings
in this league so I suggest that college football fans in Utah slow down on
their evaluation on what is and what isn't overrated.
I say the Utes beat UCLA, Oregon State, CU for sure.I say the games
with Pitt, WAZZU, CAL, Arizona and Arizona State are toss-ups.If the
Utes can win two of the toss-ups I guess they can go to a bowl with a 7-5
I'm pretty sure when the Utes went undefeated in 2004 and 2008 they won the
outright conference championship.
Washington may be an "average" team, but Sarkesian is an above average
coach. He did a good job calling plays....his play-calling kept Utah
What is to look forward to during a PAC-12 basketball season? More futility
twice a week? I don't get it. State the nature of your position my friend. :)
I'm sad for the BYU connections at Utah--Love Whit--love Sitake--etc...But hey, for all the years BYU was playing the Washingtons and the Miamis and
the Georgias...and often losing...you Ute fans made a big deal, and still
do...Fine. I enjoyed--very much, watching you play like nuts. Yes,
you are in the conference, and yes, you "could" play in the Rose Bowl,
but...Will you? Not likely. Not likely. Enjoy your pie.
Who are the two teams Utah will beat? Won't be Pittsburg, won't be ASU, won't be
UCLA or California or Washington State.... Won't even be the lowly dogs of
Colorado. After watching 4 games I would say that if there is a guaranteed win
it is only against winless OSU. Oh, could it be Arizona? Arizona and Oregon
State? Yeah! What a dynamite socks knocking off season! Thanks Utes! To say that other conferences will even pay a lick of attention to how poorly
Utah does this season in making their decision to expand with non-AQ schools is
simple ignorance at its finest.
Washington is a strong team. The U had an off game. If Wynn can recover, the U
will be ok I suspect. If not, the introduction to the PAC-12 will be
frustrating. Here is hoping that Mr. Hays will mature in hurry!
Now that everyone is "paying attention" as a result of watching the
UTES get worked by Washington;Perspective.Oregon and
Stanford represent the Gold Standard, of the PAC-12.When Jim
Harbaugh was the HC, at Stanford, Stanford won every game, every year.Right?Jim Harbaugh came to Stanford, from the University of San
Diego, in 2007.Prior to the 2007 season, Stanford enjoyed the
following success:2003 4-72004 4-72005 5-62006
1-11Harbaugh's record, at Stanford, was as follows:2007
4-82008 5-72009 8-42010 11-1Harbaugh was in his
fourth season, in the PAC-12, before he enjoyed the type of success all schools
work hard to obtain.It will take UTAH, at least, 3 years to have a
reasonable shot at getting back to the 10+ win seasons of the past 5 years.4-8 this year, followed by 6-6, followed by 8-4 would be a realistic
progression of expectation.If the team surprises fans by exceeding
expectations, so much the better.Support the coaches and team while
they are building to become competitive in the PAC 12.GO UTES!
We knew the Pac 12 would be tough, but we can still have success. A few prayers
for John Hays right now wouldn't hurt.
@ pac 10.2 loves u: Yes, but playing in any bowl game is better than
no bowl game at all. (But I guess your bowl game this year was beating BYU,
right? Just like back in the good old days).I didn't see the game,
but it sounds like it was extremely similar to the BYU game, but the utes were
on the wrong end of this one. An early turnover for a score, then 2 more
turnovers on good drives, even deep in enemy territory. Then in the 2nd half
the defense ends up spending the whole half on the field, and gets run over.
I think both of utah's last 2 games could be replayed, & both
would end up being closer games (maybe the same team losing, but not in blowout
fashion). Sometimes things just all go wrong. After the comments
from utah fans and players after the BYU game, all I can say is that it's nice
when what goes around, comes around.
I was surprised when I saw Utah fans, and worse even Utah reporters, think Utah
was going to just waltz into the Pac and win the South. Granted, Utah has the
easiest conference schedule, but this is not the MWC. See you in SF where you
get another dose of reality. Go Bears!
@BigRich....and guess what....Arizona has never been to the Rose Bowl and ASU
has been there 2 times....Last time in 1997.
Ha Ha, no I'm not laughing at your Utes loss, but the fact that all the
bantering is between Utah football faithful. Welcome to the world of
big conference football and the Pac 12. We may not be the strongest conference
this year, but we certainly are a good and storied one. The Utes will win games
and they will lose some, and perhaps not even to the ones they are supposed to.
You will find a weird parity in the Pac 12 where any team can provide a whipping
to another member regardless of record on any given day.UW may be
middle of the pack in some peoples eyes, but from where they were before Sark
arrived I would say they are on their way back to UDUB football of old, so
getting beat on shouldn't make Utahs fans feel any less than the new kid on the
block. Welcome to your first conference spanking and enjoy life in
the Pac 12
@ BlueSaint"Seeing that the Utes hadn't won a outright
Conference championship while being a member of the WAC and MTN West in like 50+
yrs, I don't expect them to see ROSES anytime soon."Umm.....
Utah won an outright conference championship in 2003, 2004, and 2008. Where have
you been? 3 conference titles in recent years. Utah will win a Pac-12
championship and smell the roses as soon as we get the depth and talent needed
to compete with the upper teams in the conference. It will be few years to
recruit that talent, but I know Utah has the best coaches in the conference. At least Utah is in a league where they have an opportunity to play in a
Rose Bowl, unlike that certain team down south that can only play for a
Helicopter Bowl, next year the Macaroni and Cheese Bowl.
How hard is it to go from a big fish in a small pool (mwc) to a little minnow in
the ocean (pac12)? Stay tuned.
BlueSaintUtah won outright conference championships in 2004 and
2008. Your memory must be real bad.As for the Utes, they will
compete in the Pac-12. This year could turn out to be a learning experience but
it is still great to be in the Pac 12. You have to play better teams to be a
better team.To say WA is middle of the PAC, may be an
understatement. It is still too early to know. It sure was great hosting them at
RES. I love the better quality of teams the Utes will be playing week in and
out. Give me tough schedules every year.It is great to be a Pac 12
Ute! To all the haters, enjoy your envy.Go Utes!
I can remember when ASU and U of A went into the Pac12. It was several years
before the programs built up enough to be competitive. Be patient Utah. If BYU
goes to the Big 12, they'll have a few years to look forward too.
A bit of karma? Didn't Wynn say "that's like a video game" describing
BYU's 7 turnovers against Utah? Looks like Washington prepared by playing the
same video game. Were the Utes diluted enough to believe the BYU game was
anything more than a fluke? (not that they won, just how the game went) Best as
I can tell, the games were eerily similar. Utah is not as bad as they showed.
Washington is not as good as they showed. Anything can happen on any given
Saturday. I do wish the Utes good luck in the Pac-12 and feel they're better
than they've shown. I want success for all Utah football. But I can't say I
feel bad about yesterday's loss given their arrogant comments following the Y
game. Karma anyone?
Next week is a critical game. A loss against ASU and the wheels will be off.
As a BYU fan I was hoping the Utes did well this season (and they still might)
but it doesn't look good. I wanted them to show that many non-bcs teams could
make an impact in the big conferances. How the Utes do could effect whether
other BCS conferances invite non-bcs schools to join them in the future.All that said I was glad to see the Utes get a piece of humble pie after
their fans became so arrogant two weeks ago. Pretty hard to do anything with
that many turnovers in a game. Take into consideration BYU had two more and the
differance is about the same. Here's hoping they can bounce back though just as
BYU did and make it to a bowl. I think the conferance championship is now out
of the question.
The season is over for Utah, the may not even go bowling. The defense got
shredded by a average offense and the offense has never really had a motor this
year. Wynn out, seasons over. Maybe a win over OSU.
Seeing that the Utes hadn't won a outright Conference championship while being a
member of the WAC and MTN West in like 50+ yrs, I don't expect them to see ROSES
Rock..."Washington is only a middle of the pack team in the
PAC-12."...yes they are...but with Sarkesien at the helm they
are rising very fast from where they were two years ago. Utah's loss yesterday
was to a very improved Huskie team. UCLA will be the only South PAC team that
won't be a real challenge to the Utes. If Wynn is lost for the season then even
they will be too.
With schools like Washington, Washington St., UCLA, USC, and UA, all touted as
big boys, to compete against on a regular basis, I bet the UofU and Colorado
both wished standings were listed alphabetically instead of by wins and
losses....There's always next year for that Big-12 championship, i
Tough loss for Utah. Can't wait for Basketball season in the PAC 12.