To lcclayton in Casper WYI appreciate that you saints in Casper
drive hours to Denver to go to the temple. I know that I-25 is sometimes icy
and blowing snow in the winter since I took it many times when I was at UW and
married a Casper-ite, but it's nice and well-maintained.The roads to
Idaho Falls (or Logan or Rexburg) are narrow, icy and twisty for the Star Valley
saints. This is also the fulfillment of a prophecy by the apostle,
Moses Thatcher who dedicated and named the valley that there would be a temple
built there some day. It was a stunner to all of us who grew up
there and those who live there nevertheless! As to the fishing
comment Pres. Monson made - I had to smile because that's how I met him when he
was a young Apostle in 1976 when I was 12. He had gone fishing with my bishop,
Bishop McKim that weekend and attended our ward in Thayne that Sunday and that's
the day I graduated from Primary!
After the Vernal Tabernacle was turned into a temple, there was talk that they
would never construct a temple this way again. The restoration of the exterior,
and the expense of construction was "tremendous". The results are a
beautiful, historic temple! So happy for my children who live in So. Provo, I
never expected this to happen again.
While we are thrilled for the saints in Star Valley, I have to admit that the
announcement that the only temple in Wyoming is to be built there, left some of
us in the stakes of central and Northeastern Wyoming scratching our heads a
little. We read that the drive from Star Valley to a temple has been an hour
and a half. Ours is five hours. We have no doubt that Star Valley saints are
great temple attenders. If they exceed us, maybe the distance they have had to
go has something to do with it.
Here in Tucson we are still hoping to be on the next list!
mightymite You are amusing. From everything I have seen in my temple
visits, temple attendance is actually up. Conversions are up. Church growth is
up. Faithfulness of members is up. Conference viewership is up. 97% of the
world now has access to LDS General Conference through its many distribution
outlets. I love it all.
Let me just comment on the use of the existing exterior walls of the tabernacle.
Several have commented that it would be better to demolish them and start over,
or that it's hard or impossible to build a new building inside an existing
exterior. Well, we Americans are used to "new" and "modern"
buildings. But in other parts of the world, saving and restoring exteriors is
very common. In Brugges Belgium it is prohibited to destroy the old "row
house" facades of downtown. While I was there I saw totally empty lots
with facades being held in place with scaffolding and bracing while a new
building was constructed within the existing exterior walls. I've also stayed
in the Park Hotel in Den Hague, Netherlands which is also a new hotel within the
ancient "row house" exterior facade. From within it's just like any
other modern hotel, but from outside, it's appearance remains as several
adjacent "row house" structures. Building a new temple interior
within the existing tabernacle walls will not be a new or difficult thing,
except that it isn't common in Provo.
tosmartforyou @ 9:55 PM 10-1-11, wrote:"As far as suggesting a name,
that's pretty presumptuous to think suggestions or a poll is appropriate; the
brethren will name it whatever the Prophet approves/decides." ---end
quoteHey... IMHO it doesn't take a prophet to pick a name for a
temple. It's a no-brainer that every time a new temple is built (or new stake
created, etc. etc.) the Brethren entertain suggestions from the local
authorities as to what that new temple/stake/ward/etc. ought to be named.I think it would be awesome if the Church Temples Department set up some
method for members of the church to submit suggestions for the new name. Great
"PR" move by the church!
toosmartforyou: For it to remain on the historical register they have to used
what is left of the orginal building. An example would be the Provo city
library ws built using the orginal structure of an exsisting but falling down
This is my opinion on why the Church might build new temples even when the
economy is tough or attendance is down. Again, this is just opinion.1)
Attendance is down perhaps because times are hard. People are working more or
cannot afford gas, bus/plane tickets or baby-sitters. The Church is perhaps
bringing the temple to the people in order to facilitate attendance. This is
particularly applicable for the DR Congo temple. Currently the Saints there are
traveling thousands of miles. This is not to say that the Church is building a
Kinshasa temple instead of the mentioned Kenya temple, or that it could not
afford to build a Kenya temple. 2) Usually the Church waits for a certain
number of stakes or a certain strength of the Church in an area to build a
temple. Sometimes it seems that building a temple in a country strengthens the
Church there. Members take ownership of the temple and serve there, and it
becomes a beacon in that country or area.
With the sharp decline in current Temple attendence, I don't understand why more
are being built at this time? I think the current operating Templed attendance
should be shored. This is a bad business model, many corporation retract and
fold because of this pie in the sky growth model.
@ snowmanIt isn't practical to leave tall unreinforced masonry walls
standing while trying to construct a building that meets modern codes within
those walls. For one thing, any seismic shock would bring the walls down
immediately. A better course of action is to carefully document the exterior
and when it is rebuilt, make it identical in every detail. But realize that the
new brick walls, while being constructed of the same brick, would be attached to
a structural frame capable of resisting an earthquake, strong winds, snow loads
and the entire building will be fire sprinkled.Historical structures
are defined as those "over 50 years old" so sometimes they don't make
sense. In this case, it does make sense and it will look like the original on
the exterior when it is finished. Just watch what happens and perhaps you'll be
surprised.I've atttended events in that building and look forward to
seeing it rebuilt as a Temple.
Allen#1: The tabernacle is on the national and state historical records. It is
Utah oldest historical building. For them to rebuild it they have to use as much
of the original design that they can so they can't tear it down and start over.
rightascension: the tabernacle already has a basement complete with a baptismal
Why even include Provo in the name of the new temple? The temple in
American Fork is called the Mount Timpanogos Temple, the temple in Daybreak
portion of South Jordan is called the Oquirrh Mountain Temple, and the other
temple in South Jordan is called the Jordan River Temple.Our stake
is named Salt Lake Jordan North Stake and it is NOT in Salt Lake City nor in any
city with the name of "Jordan".
I am GLAD the Church is in excellent financial health. How could the
Church help people all over the Earth if it were in poor financial health?
I guess it's not a down economy for everybody. It seems that the church is in
excellent financial health as always.
It's awesome that the temples are being built world-wide. There are places that
have needed temples for a while, and these that will be built in Africa and
Colombia are going to be very much appreciated.
On the name Provo Tabernacle Temple has actually been used here. They can of
course rename the existing Provo Temple, so the final name of either is
possible. I would not be surprised if Provo Tabernacle Temple is the used name
Actually the Temple Patron's Fund is not new, it has existed for some years. If
I understood what my grandmother said on this matter though, at times in the
past donations to it were not processed through tithing slips.
The Provo Tabernacle is a large building that can seat hundreds. I am not sure
how that will translate into a "small temple". This is especially
true since the new building will probably have an expanded underground area.I seem to recall that President Monson said that the exterior of the
tabernacle would be retained.
For all you speculators concerning the design, just look at Nauvoo (identical on
the exterior---built from scratch) and Vernal (actually preserved the existing
exterior walls) to see what was done. The Provo Tabernacle has no shell
remaining to use; that is why the brick walls are all braced to keep them from
collapsing. The old pioneer engineering did have buildings with center
spires---Coalville Tabernacle, Assembly Hall on Temple Square, Provo Tabernacle.
Over time they needed repair as winter snow loads worked to deteriorate the
lumber used to support the center spire structures, as well as horizontal wind
loads. Expect a nearly identical exterior reconstuction with a completely
different interior as the use of the building will drastically change. The
existing remains will be fully documented to be sure prior to demolition. The
new building will also need to meet modern building codes, like Nauvoo and
Vernal. As far as suggesting a name, that's pretty presumptuous to think
suggestions or a poll is appropriate; the brethren will name it whatever the
Prophet approves/decides. This will augment not only Provo, but Payson and
Timpanogos Temples. This is an exciting development in my view, along with MTC
I would not be surprised if after the Provo Tabernacle Temple is completed, that
they shut Provo down for a while and do the changes there that they are doing in
Ogden. I am really happy to hear about a 2nd temple in Provo, way to go.
As a Young boy living in Star Valley over 60 years ago I heard stories that it
had been said by someone long before that there would be a temple in that
area.Great news of that now happening to my chidhood home and the home of my
Grand parents who passed away before I was born but were early settlers of that
Sometimes it is better to demolish old, inadequate buildings. (Think old Salt
Palace Arena vs the modern Delta Center.)We were married in the
Logan Temple and are un-impressed with the renovated Logan Temple. Wouldn't it be less expensive to completely demolish the unsafe shell of the
Provo Tabernacle and build a new, modern SAFE building? If desired, couldn't the
architects design a completely new temple that closely resembles the former
InspectorC: According to the picture released it is to be build using the
oringinal plans.Chachi: I think they will stay real close to the
There are at least 5 stakes just in Kinshasa, and another stake right across the
river in Brazzaville. There are 3 other stakes in The Democratic Republic of
the Congo. There are no temples anywhere close to htere. It is
true that Kenya is very far from a temple, but there is only one stake in Kenya,
so building a temple there is not likely anytime super soon. I guess Manitoba
has one stake and a temple on the way. It is possible, but not likely.
InspectorC: The LDS Newsroom website makes it clear the temple won't be an
entirely new construction. It says, "The project will include a complete
restoration of the original exterior."The Copenhagen Denmark
Temple is another example of a historic building that was remodeled into a
temple, and in that case, they built an underground addition to the side of the
existing structure that connected into the basement in order to provide enough
space.It also remains to be seen what will happen to the old
smokestack of the former heating plant. It features decorative brickwork and has
some historic value. I assume it will have to go.
i loved this conference. How spiritually upifting and inspiring it was.
President Monson was so charming and portrayed his sweet spirit through his
speaking. When he announced the Provo tabernacle will be a new temple, I was
reminded of the beautiful fire-bird, the Phoenix rising out of its own ashes,
and soar toward the heavens. It was so good to hear that historic building will
be given a chance to shelter the most sacred works and ordinances of the Church
within its walls. I was so thrilled to hear President Monson annoounce all the
other temples being built, especially the one in Wyoming. It's so good to know
that the Church is growing and the work of the Lord is going forth.
Im always so excited to find out where the temples are going to be when
conference comes around. Before the temple in Omaha was completed we either had
to go to Denver or Chicago which in itself is about a 500 mile trip one way. Now
that we have the temple in Omaha it sure is alot closer and we are able to go
when circumstances and money permit. How I love going to the temple and feel it
a great blessing to have one closer than having to go clear to Chicago or
Denver. It sure is a blessing to get ones built closer.
Nice to se civil discussion on this story here. It's getting so I can't even
read the Trib anyomore. As a Liberal, I used to really like that newspaper, but
some people just don't know how to act like adults.
I think it was also good to hear about the creation of a fund to help those
seeking to go to the temple who live in an area where there isn't a temple and
for whom it is very difficult to get to one. I don't know the reason for why
some areas are blessed to have a temple versus another, but am grateful to know
that a means is being provided to help all be to make and receive the blessings
of the temple no matter where they live.
jdd: It may be small, but it's not the only temple being built within the
current Provo Utah Temple district to relieve its pressure (think the
groundbreaking in Payson next week for the temple being built there.) And having
a temple within EASY walking distance (I lived 1.25 miles from the Tabernacle
until last month, and about 3 miles from the Provo temple. Now I live where I'll
eventually be in Payson's temple district.) for the 'pioneer neighborhoods'
(Joaquin/Maeser/etc.) would be very nice.InspectorC: That would be a
great name. Another one (I wish it was as good) would be the Provo Peak Utah
Temple (I know it's not on the peak... but hey, the peak is still visible from
For: JDD, I can see your point about not having a large amount of square
footage. I would expect that construction plans could include support service
space, such as offices, training space, storage and utilities in added
underground space such as what is south of the tabernacle and a few other areas
around Temple Square.
With out a douby its the one to be Built in the Congo that excites and amazes
me. The other two and the one in South Amers yes but not so much.
But the Congo thats Special, if you don't think so Read the History and do the
Math.I got rid of my Dish, first time I have seen conference on
Computer in real time. Worked out well. Computer Down Stairs and Upstairs and my
Daughters Lap Top. I heard the TV Speakers so they hooked the Computer into the
TV. 10 years ago I had to drive to the Stake Center, because the local Cable
Company was blocking BET to show conference and the Militery blocked it out so
the people could watch BET and rightly so. The next time around they showed it
on one of the public stations. Far better for every one concerned. We can still
not get it on the the Radio in Hawaii. If I get my 10 Watter thats the first
thing I am going to do is get Conference on Radio. I want a Ten Watter so I
can be a Talk Show Host and Play Modern Jazz and Country.
While it's great news that they're keeping the Provo Tabernacle building, rather
than gutting it, I'm very puzzled about building such a small temple in Provo
to relieve the demand on the busy Provo Temple. Isn't this a bit like building
a 7/11 convenience store to relieve the demand at a busy Super WalMart?
I wonder what they will _NAME_ the new temple in Provo??! (since "Provo
Utah Temple" is already taken).Wouldn't it be AWESOME if the
Church provided a way for members to submit "suggested names" for the
new temple? (Hint, Hint for the Temples Department at Church HQ! Are you
listening?)That would be a VERY COOL thing for the Church to do
--allowing the members to have some "input" on the naming of the new,
second temple in Provo!How about "The Provo Pioneer
Temple"?! (copyright pending ;^)OTHER SUGGESTED NAMES??
A handful of you have made comments (here) to the effect that the old shell of
the tabernacle will be "re-used", or saved, in constructing the new
temple.What gave you that impression? Or where did you get that
information? I wonder if you're jumping the gun and falsely presuming that they
will keep the old. That was never announced that way.I would just
presume they'll demolish the old tabernacle ruins, and start from scratch. But
perhaps you know something that I don't??
Almost as soon as I read that the tabernacle had burned down, I knew they would
work on replacing it as a temple. It didn't make sense to me that they would
rebuild a tabernacle, since they are less useful in today's times. The Provo
temple is very busy and this will be a nice addition to allow the people of
Provo more temple opportunities and a better use of the land and Church
resources.It also follows the model of the Church using temples as a
means of helping cities revitalize their urban areas.
Esthetically the (interior) ceiling was a problem for years and really had kind
of ruined the Tabernacle in my opinion. Certainly the plain, flat ceiling was
not the original and frankly it, along with the non-incandescent, recessed
lighting it contained, was grossly anachronistic and out of character for the
building. Plus the rest of the interior could never have been truly restored.
The Tabernacle served an honorable mission. Now, the wholesale,
adaptive reuse of the entire interior, preservation of the exterior and
restoration of the original roof line, is a great idea. Also a great example of
how a good or perhaps even better thing can come of a pile of ashes. Now, it would be great if a new, multi-stake meeting center and/or nice
concert hall, with a new, concert pipe organ, could also be built to replace
that functionality of the old Tabernacle, which served the community and BYU
music department for years.
Pres. Monson's announcement in general conference that our old historic Provo
pioneer tabernacle will become a second temple in our fair city is wonderful
news. Kaye and my ancestors who helped make the bricks and cut the timber for
its construction over a century ago must be rejoicing in heaven that they were
actually building a holy temple to their God. The converted tabernacle that
becomes a holy temple will bless many in our community and visitors from around
The biggest cheer was for the Star Valley temple-----must be a lot of Wyoming
people in conference today.
The illustration of the tabernacle temple looks beautiful--then I realized that
the Nu-Skin building is not in the background. The architectural style of the
Nu-Skin building is a dark spot in downtown Provo and should have never been
approved. With a temple nearby it is even more obvious of a mistake.
Rebuilding the Provo Tabernacle as a temple will certainly be a huge
undertaking. Those walls will have to be reenforced seismically and a basement
level will have to be dug out and created with a seismically reenforced
foundation. The original tabernacle design with that central tower
was so ahead of its time that it could not be built with the existing technology
of the 1880s and 1890s, hence why the tower had to be removed back in 1917. I
am glad that steel trusses and reenforcement will make the central tower
possible again.Despite what the rendering show, I suspect that 100
South will be removed south of the new temple. Security reasons for a start.
Provo's post office at 100 s - 100 W is now so out of date and so small for the
size of the community that I also suspect that the church will buy the property
and that a more modern bigger post office will relocate somewhere else in
Actually, the Church itself, not just the French media, had announced its
intention to build a temple in France. Go to the LDS Newsroom site and search
for "Church Statement on Temple in France," from July 15 of this year.
That is why Pr. Monson stated it not as an announcement, but merely as a
recognition that the Church continues with its efforts on that front.The announcement of a temple in Kinshasha shows the Church's dedication to
bringing the gospel to the whole world, regardless of the cost. The LDS Church
is growing quickly in Africa, but the DRC is no easy place to put a temple. GDP
per capita is $328, and crime is rampant. It's hard to get materials and
workmanship up to temple standards in places like that, and often the Church
must build supporting infrastructure and provide 24-hour security. All of that
was necessary in Aba, Nigeria, and even still the temple had to be closed for
over a year due to fears of violence, kidnappings, and other crime.
This has come to be one of my favorite parts about conference -- the Prophet
announcing more temples to be built. Its getting to the point where such
announcements are made at each and every opening session of conference.I too was thrilled about the Provo Tabernacle announcement. I was born in
Provo and remember fondly attending stake conferences there as a small boy. My
father always let us sit in the balcony (being upstairs is always a strong draw
for small kids). And what a bonus, it looks like they'll restore the center
lantern which was on the building in the early 1900's, but had to be removed.As a family, we committed ourselves to donating what we could to the
Temple Patron fund. What a wonderful thing.
I wonder if President Monson had stopped off at a hospital or a nursing home to
give a blessing or some form of ministry. He is amazing! He has always lived in
a way that says people are more important than meetings. The Paris Temple had
only been announced in the media and by media in France. It had not been
announced yet in general conference yet, so I fully expected it and still gasped
and then cried. Think how many generations of French saints have been waiting
for a temple within their own borders. It makes me smile and my step lighter.
Provo's loss of a community center in the Provo Tabernacle is now known to be a
permanent change. But even the non-LDS residents of Provo now know that they
will be able to enjoy the tabernacle as a permanent landmark, restored to its
pre-1917 appearance. And its presence will transform the Center Street area.I thought it funny that the mention of the plans for a temple in
Paris--which was announced a while ago--drew a collective gasp.
Very excited about the temple announcements! My Dad's family were born and
raised in the Star Valley area. Kind of ironic that so much is going on so close
to our old home, now that we're living in Germany: first with the Brigham City
temple and now the Star Valley one!
Wonderful News about the Tabernacle, always loved that building and the special
feeling it gave me every time I saw it. I cried when it burned and felt so sad
at the loss, like the loss of an old friend. But today, I got chills and
rejoiced out loud as all did in the conference center and around the world. What
a blessing that will be to the saints that will come from all over to do the
work of the Lord. I was almost more excited about that announcement than all the
rest and I've been wondering when there would be one in Paris, so that is also
I had heard that architectural planning and engineering was going forth for the
Provo Tabernacle. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine this!
As a Provo native and one who has roots for generations in Provo, I was broken
hearted when our Tabernacle burned. I couldn't even stand to go past it for
quite a while. I have prayed that it would be saved. I am so thrilled that it
will not only be saved, but turned into a new Temple. GLORY HALLELUJEH!
I am sooo excited about all of these announced temples, but I am most excited to
see the ones going up in Africa. What a great day for our brothers and sisters
in the African nations, and what great love the Lord has for these saints.
The city name is Bogotá, not Bogata.
Tears filled my eyes when the Provo Tabernacle burned & again with the
announcement this morning. While a student at The Y in 1972 we would take walks
down center street with our 2 year little girl to the Tabernacle.
And the work of the Lord continues...
I still have tears in my eyes- and I know that those who have proceeded us, in
who the Tabernacle was a special place, are rejoicing as well
Wow. My friends of Kenya are going to scratch their heads again.Still
Wonderful news about converting the Provo Tabernacle into a temple. Also
delighted to hear the news about Wyoming's first temple in Star Valley.