"Between first down to third down, our offense needs to make significant
improvement."That is the sophisticated analysis of BYU's OC.
With the lineup of tin cans they have after Utah State how is anyone going to
know if they're inches away from anything?? Another repeat of last year. Beat
up on a bunch of losers and get excited that your QB is a Heisman candidate and
you're going undefeated the next year. ha!
If BYU's offense doesn't click this season; Will BD get to do his best Maxwell
Here's hoping Utah State hangs THEIR biggest win on the Y tonight since 1922.Go Aggies!
If those "inches" are the depth of the bench, Doman is right. As soon
as Heaps is on the bench, the offense will turn around.
sammyg:Good to see you have emerged from your self described fetal
position.Your analysis as described above is suspect.However, that fact, has never kept you from exposing your bias.What are fans for, if not to expose their bias?Right?Unlike last week, the Cougars will be facing a confident, determined
opponent.If Pendleton could only play, if Heaps only played, if
Doman was only a better OC, if the team does not give up etc. etc. etc., the
Cougars could erase the memories of last seasons loss at Logan. I'm
expecting the usual response cataloging awards from Cougar teams in the past,
stadium size matters, so on and so forth.Your catalog of awards will
probably be missing the following, so I will provide them to you ahead of
time.2 consecutive Utah wins (one, at UTAH, a last minute "hail
mary" blocked kick, knife in the heart, and the other, at BYU, a complete
domination, beatdown, not seen since 1922).UTAH 54 BYU 10.As a new member of the big 9.1, big 10.1, big 11.1, the Cougars should fit in
perfectly as the "newest .1" addition to the conference.
@johnjacobjingle....One of the funniest posts yet! On the fourth
turnover the Y's defense rested!LOL!!
Should be a good game tonight and a BYU win.
Doman on Heaps: "He hasn't played up to the expectation of himself, first
and foremost. He has high expectations and he wants to be great,"...Maybe this is what happened to Ben Olsen and now Jake Heaps,
expectations were too high... too much pressure to perform... prevented these
athletes from achieving the mental focus and high level of play necessary in
Division 1 football. We know Heaps has been hyped in the media, Jake
believes the hype... but can't live up to it yet, and this disappointment
affects his subsequent performance. The cycle continues unbroken. Jake Heaps needs to get all the hype out of his system. I keep thinking that
these humbling performances (such as 54-10 against Utah at home) will humble
him, bringing back the focus (and extinguishing the hype in his head). I am
still hoping he can put it all together and be the great athlete he believes he
720 inches, the distance of the red zone, which BYU cannot get to or through!This year is done, and will be spent developing the young QB at the
expense of the upper classmen. At least let Riley face his old
A two fingered catch will someimes save a shipwreck, however, there were larger
gaps in that Utah/Byu blowout that led to disaster. BYU had better be quiet
about being inches away. Sounds like they are stalling for time while running
short of breath.
I do believe in Doman's comment about being "inches away". He means
inches away from being fired. When that happens, he needs to take Heaps with
him. USU will win and the band of brothers' weakness will again be displayed.
Only "inches" away?Really?Must be some mighty
big inches....I love my Cougars but I'm not buying it.GO
sammyg | 8:37 p.m. Sept. 29, 2011Utes 0-1 against BCS opponentsBYU 1-1 against BCS opponents----------That BCS team
that BYU beat still hasn't won a Division 1 team.My prediction next
week you're back to your old smack talk:1) Stadium size2) ESPN exposure
Lets go Cougars. Get it together this week and get revenge on those pesky
Aggies. USU Looks good but had real trouble throwing the ball against the Rams.
If they can't throw against BYU it may be a long night. BYU is due to break
out on offence. Hopefully it will be this week.
inches away from the creampuffs
@sammyg...BYU 1-1 against BCS opponents...BYU is 1-2 against
BCS opponents.Won game with Ole Miss.Lost to Texas. Lost
big to mighty Utes 54-10 (could be 68-10 had Kyle not pulled the starters early
---sammyg | 8:37 p.m. Sept. 29, 2011 Springville, UTLove the Utesies
comments. You guys have played who thus far? Let's see 0-1 in your conference
against a sanctioned team AND another way of looking at it...Utes
0-1 against BCS opponentsBYU 1-1 against BCS opponents---I guess you forgot about 54-10Yes, 54-10It was 54-10I recall
54-10Yep, 54-10Still 54-10And on the 7th Fumble, the
No doubt these are the two best teams in the state. BYU 42USU 17
Love the Utesies comments. You guys have played who thus far? Let's see 0-1 in
your conference against a sanctioned team AND another way of looking at it...Utes 0-1 against BCS opponentsBYU 1-1 against BCS
opponentsWell your season finally starts, I can't wait. Not worried
about the Cougars they will be fine and improve.The big story, BYU
to BIG 12???, oops I meant to say... Will the Utes survive in the Pac 10.2?Get your excuses ready.
Talk is cheap! Just prove it on the field.
Inches from mediocrity is more like it.
@GoGetter ...How many inches? ...63,360
The best thing heaps could do Friday night is tuck that football and run
downfield and take some hard hits. We would know then that he is a football
player. That would get my respect and I would ease up on him. If he gets a
little banged up so be it. Doman should call some quarterback keeps and prove to
all of us that Heaps is a football player.
As a BYU fan, I wonder whether someone poured grape Koolaide into Provo's water
supply. "Doman said. 'We're inches away.'"The team
broke our trust with the in-season exposure after the pre-season bluster.
Remember that lost trust is not recovered by talking more but by doing more and
not talking at all."BYU enjoyed a productive running game,
rushing for 127 yards.""Productive?" I've read recaps
crowing about how BYU stuffed opponents' run games after allowing more yards."But the growth that's been experienced for him in these last four
weeks, I don't know where else we would have found it"May be true.
But, in the context of the letdown from August's expectations, this should be
coupled with an acknowledgement that you didn't foresee that this experience is
broke our trust and there's a mountain of disappointment and incredulity to
clear away. Back off the promises because,"The nature of working
through trust issues is everytime you step closer, it floods the other person
with anxiety [even if the other person invited that step]."-- Dr. Ira
...the problem is more than just the offense.
Golfhack20 said: "The Church has good Scoutmasters and Youth leaders to
teach the future generations. Coaches jobs are to win not build boys."I couldn't disagree with you more on this. Any coach who is only focused
on winning, to the exclusion of everything else, needs to find something else to
do. Case in point: I was at a 7th Grade football game the other night and had
the privilege of listening to one of the coaches screaming and cussing at these
kids about what he was going to do to their rear ends if they didn't shape up.
Seriously?? And he was just an asst. coach. C'mon, coach. If you are too
immature to get your point across without losing control and swearing your head
off, please stay away from these young men. They don't need to hear that from
someone like you. Sad thing is this guy coaches basketball at the high school
level too and does the same thing. You can win and still provide a good example
for the young men you coach. I would respectfully ask any coach who can't do
that to please stay home.
Only in BYU language could 54-10 equate to "Inches Away!"Gotta love the complete obliviousness from Cougar nation.Perhaps
he means "Inches away from scoring more than 1 offensive TD in a
game." That would make a lot of sense actually.
Turbin is going to have a field day against the Y's defense. What they allowed
White to do to them is only going to be worse with Turbin. Agg's offense will
win this game for them, if the defense plays better than average. Sorry cougs
you guys are not that athletic this year.
"...in the long run, Heaps will benefit from going up against tough
defenses like he's seen from Ole Miss, Texas, Utah and UCF...'It's as good of an
experience for his growing that he could possibly facethe growth that's been
experienced for him in these last four weeks, I don't know where else we would
have found it...'"Well, he certainly couldnt have found it in
practice against the cougar D. Haha! Gotta love the cougars starting to
prepare for the season...MIDSEASON!
That is all they make "inches per play". Can't score!
For the Love of everything holy! I am sick of hearing all the talk and no
action on the field. Bronco what are you looking at in Fall Camp? You took
your team to a movie instead of practice!! Hans Olsen didn't want to say it on
his show a couple weeks ago but Jake Heaps is the all-star in practice but can't
take it to the field. We need a solid effort in all aspects so that it will
carry over to the field. Coaches don't go home early everyday! Come early and
stay late! If you work a little on Sunday's fine. You all get paid to much
money not to win and just talk about winning! The Church has good Scoutmasters
and Youth leaders to teach the future generations. Coaches jobs are to win not
build boys. Now get on with it already and stop the jabber and show it on the
You can all argue the difference between BYU and Utah's schedule all you want.
In a head to head matchup, Utah won by 44 points. Texas only barely got by the Y
and your touting how great they are?
Unfortunately, the way the Cougars are scheduled this year, it was the first 4
games that mattered most (plus the one against TCU later).2-2 is not
bad...really close to 3-1 and also really close to 0-4. However, from now on,
the offense really will have a chance only to prove they are bad. Any breakout
games from here on will come against sub-par defenses and will prove nothing,
whereas continued struggles will reveal there truly are problems with the
coaches and players.They had their chance to prove what they were
already, and they proved that they are quite mediocre. From here on out, they
are basically in a no-win situation. Hopefully the indy schedule after 2012 does
not put them in the same position. You need good late season opponents to
I want this offense to measure itself by points not the ruler. I would like to
see 10 points a quarter average, 40 points a game. That is what the fans want to
see, an offense that can score. From what I have seen so far we are no where
"Inches away"Talk is cheap.The product speaks
BYU's season is a quarter finished. We keep hearing how they are getting better
and the offense is close, etc. Are there even going to be any games left when
the "potential" is reached? After this week when the
creampuff part of the schedule begins the offense should get at least 300 yards
for a change. Nothing helps a team reach its potential like playing
San Jose State and Idaho.
First, is Coach Doman watching the same games as I have over the past few weeks?
If BYU is inches away, what is he referring to? The number of turnovers and
misfires I have seen are far away from inches. This offense has miles to go, not
inches. I would have to give credit to the defense and special teams play here.
This weeks game is very much a toss up.
I don't think we'll know if there has been a breakthrough until TCU. The rest
of the games on the schedule are teams BYU should be able to roll over.
too bad the game is played in yards....gaining only inches doesn't generate much
offense. Didn't Bronco tell him?
Again, let me help translate:We - Cougarsare inches away - We
are almost (one game away) from the part of our schedule that, we as coaches,
feel comfortable with.Thanks goodness for WAC schools.....
So we learn from the article:By the end of the year, all of the bugs
should be worked out. So much for spring training and fall camp.
Who am i: You state how many BCS teams the WAC has beaten (2), then you go on to
say how great your PAC teams are because they have lost to 6 BCS teams. That is
called comparing apples to oranges. How many BCS teams have you PAC teams
beaten? Two, One, Zero? Or five? Which is it? WAI, defend yourself.
re:catram"From a big Cougar fan here to Heaps and Doman, please, for
all of our well being, deny all interviews!! Thank you." If you add Bronco
in with Heaps and Doman it would be the best thing I have heard all year!
Who am I sir?Let's see. Boise State & TCU are not BCS teams.
Washington St, Oregon St, Colorado, and Arizona, are BCS. hmmm!I
guess, I see what you mean. Are you making excuses for the Utes? The whining
is beginning! Envy of cougar schedule? You play no one of the Longhorn
caliber. Not even Stanford or Oregon.
Who is the guy in the pictures? And what is he reading? In the second picture,
is he saying "peace" or "two inches"?
Utah State can and will score against BYU. BYU is going to have to score at
least 35 to be in the game. That is a BIG jump for the Y. Can they do it?? I
doubt it without a running game. Prediction: USU 35 BYU 24
Prep Fanatic,Utahs schedule isn't that brutal. Their not playing
Stanford and Oregon. Southern Cal is average at best.
@TJ 7:51"...(WSU, OSU, UCLA, UA, CO). They are on par with the
WAC teams BYU will play." TJ has said this before and I dismissed it with
a "Nuff said". Since he has repeated his position I feel I must
defend my position.BYU will play 5 WAC teams whose records to date
are:Idaho 1-2 (Wins over Western State College and Northern Colorado)San Jose 1-3 (Win over U of North Dakota loss to Bowling Green)New
Mexico State 1-3 (Win over U of Minnesota)Utah State 1-2 (Win over Weber
State; los to Auburn and Colo. St.)Hawaii 2-2 (Win over Colorado and UC
Davis; loss to UNLV)Summary record 5-12 (2 wins over BCS teams)Utah
will play (I did not include Ore State - both the Y and U play)Washington
State 2-1 (loss to SDSU)UCLA 2-2 ( wins over San Jose State, Ore State;
Loss to Houston, Texas)University Arizon 1-3 (loss to Oklahoma State,
Stanford, Oregon)Colorado 1-2 (win Colo State, loss to Cal and Ohio
State)Summary 6-8 (of 8 losses 6 are to BCS teams)Now TJ
defend your position.
A couple of thoughts I've had...Doman's offense seems to rely heavily on play
action. Play action does not work unless the running game is effective which is
why they have spent so much time trying to establish the running game. Perhaps
he needs to have a "pass first" mentality to start the game. That
should open up the running game and allow for some play action in the second
half.I also wonder what the coaches are seeing in practice that we
don't see. I, like everyone else, think they should under promise and over
deliver. They aren't doing that so they must be seeing something in practice
that isn't translating to game day. Maybe our 1st team D needs to practice
against the offense and give them a better game day look.
I really don't know what to make of this game. BYU has a suspect offense and
Utah State hasn't figured out how long the fourth quarter is. I do believe that
BYU fans underestimate the talent level at USU. The Aggie offense is good enough
to play with a pretty good BYU defense. The Aggie defense is good enough to play
with anyone for 3 1/2 quarters. I think everyone is baffled by BYU's inability
to show any consistency. That said, I like USU by 3.
As a cougar fan I'm sure glad BYU hired a coach who admits he "is still
learning" to call plays. I'm being sarcastic. Hiring Doman wasn't fair to
the players or the fans. Coaches should be hired on their past performance as a
coach, not because they used to play quarterback for BYU.
That Doman really thinks we are that close to having a good offense is very
disturbing. Doman, our offense is horrible!! we are inches away from being one
of the worst offenses in the nation. We are many yards away from being
offensively competitive. In addition, we are not improving as an offense - we
appear to be getting worse. I am very worried about Utah State, which means we
are not a well-prepared football team. It appears Doman is in over his head and
isn't ready to have this job. He doesn't seem to grasp the concept of
recognizing what are offensive talents are. Clearly, we can't run the ball well
and Heaps has a strong arm. Open it up, baby!! Our running game will improve
as we move towards a pass-first attack. If you can't do that, put Lark in and
let him have his day in the sun.
It's not a matter of "inches". Rather, it's a matter of games. After
Friday it will be amazing how great the offense (and defense) will become. The
O line will live up to its expectations. The defensive front seven will be as
great as predicted. The defensive secondary will have matured and become all
"independent" caliber. Oh, there will be a couple speed bumps, TCU
and Hawaii, but overall the team's play will be such that next year the Y can
look forward to the national championship.
"It's a game of inches..."
Inches away? lol byU's "superior" offensive line and
running game produced 11 yards against your rival at home. 11 yards!I really don't think byU has a chance against USU. You can't coach touch and
Heaps has little to none. oh well
blah blah blah ... words words words ... just do it on the field and then talk.
"We're inches away." Don't know if that's the quote you want in print.
But let's hope Doman is right, and let's hope we can finally see an offensive
beat-down against 'dem Aggies! It strikes me that this "new" offensive
scheme is so complicated. The obvious question is do we have the right personnel
for the offense? Hasn't looked too good thus far, and that's with a very
seasoned o-line and backfield. We know the QB is the trigger in any offense. I
liked the Doman promotion and want him the his scheme to succeed in the worst
way, but find it interesting that the first few games of the Anae Era was much
more effective & explosive. Again, personnel?
TJ:As already stated above OSU is in the same class with SJS, NMS,
I, and ISU.To show you how pathetic those teams really are, UCLA's
only wins this year are against San Jose State and Oregon State.The
2011 Bruins are terrible.The five "gimmies" on the Cougar
schedule are even worse.
Offense should have been inches away before the start of the season and not
after four games
Based on how the offense has played the first four games, I think they are
"yards" away not "inches" away. Heaps missed Jacobsen
running wide open against UCF for a certain TD by yards, not inches. The poor
snap to Heaps against Utah was at least a yard from where it should have been,
not inches.Seriously, the only games left to judge the offenses
progress will be against Utah State and TCU (maybe Hawaii, but I think Hawaii's
offense is much better than their defense). Even if the offense performs well
against Idaho, SJSU and Idaho State, that is not a good gauge. I'm hoping we'll
see Lark given a chance to see what he can do.
BYU has faced 4 very tough defenses to start the year, with a young quarterback,
and a newly revamped offensive system. He is still learning the ropes. People
need to remember, that Heaps didn't win the overall starting job last year,
until the Florida state game. Playing musical quarterback last year affected him
and his confidence. when BYU turned the season around, it was against some
weaker opponents, and that is when we all started to see what Heaps was made of.
Going into this year, BYU fired its offensive coordinator, and named Brandon
Doman, its new offensive coordinator. Just like Heaps, he's inexperienced and
still learning the ropes. Doman and Heaps will get better, and the rest of the
season although weaker than the first 4 games, looks brighter for BYU. With that
being said, we all will probably see simalar things from Utah, as they enter the
PAC12 stretch of games. Utah has a brutal schedule, playing against very good
defenses, and Jordan Wynn will be running for his life. He, like Jake, will not
take a hit, and just like BYU found out against good defenses, Utah will also
Y Dad / Y Grad - I agree with many of your posts but, this is football, not
Sacrament meeting. Now, I agree that these are kids who shouldn't
be picked on mercilessly (same goes for those who dress in red and white) though
I don't think it's unreasonable to be calling for a change at QB when the
results on the field against quality competition have called for it since day
two (I'll give him a pass against Washington, he wasn't bad). The
posts here have been rather tame. I graduated from Texas and regularly read our
boards where a QB (with very similar hype actually) was recently taken to the
woodshed compared to what has been said about Heaps.Max Hall's
tirade may have been embarrasing but, it's a heat of the moment thing and I
highly doubt he would have gone on record on a Tuesday afternoon after class and
made such remarks. That's when it would be time to worry.
How many inches?
Game 5 and we're still waiting for a breakout game? I'm a patient man but a lot
of the season has passed us already. I for one, am looking for more than just a
breakout game.. I want to see the team have a winning season... No More Loses -
just WINS!Go Cougs
Timpman: Tempo was one of the things I liked in the cougs play against UCF.
They came out in the opening serious and clearly had the first couple of plays
drawn up. It put UCF on guard. I've always thought that when BYU slows down
they don't play as well -- you know, those run out the clock times? I really
think an up-tempo game is critical to keeping defenses guessing.I've
thought exactly the same as you regarding run blocking too. Yes, the defenses
we've played have been fast, but most of those guys have not been anywhere near
as big as our offensive line. At least in the first half, we should be blowing
those defenses off the line and opening huge holes for running backs. Here's hoping it all comes together against the Aggies!
Brandon, can I teach you some good expectation management? Don't say we are
inches away. Say "we've not played well in the first 4 games, our QB play
has not been sharp and we've not opened enough holes for our running game to be
successful. We continue to work on these things and know we need to be better
to win against USU." Then, IF things are better, you can say AFTER the
game that you saw some improvement. But this just questions your credibility
because we all see the games and know we are not inches away.
Doman says - "First downs have to be managed better, so we're not in
second-and-long and third-and-long. Between first down to third down, our
offense needs to make significant improvement."Up to now you could
pretty much count on BYU doing a running play up the middle on first downs. It
is so vannila and predictable. What happened to passing on first down? The run
blocking has also been poor to start the season. I thought that was one of the
offensive strengths.I look for the Cougs to get things going on Friday
night with more wide-open play calling, execution, and tempo.
I am torn about this game. I would love to see the offense explode and live up
to its potential, but I don't want mediocrity. I would rather see the offense
fall flat on its face than another round of mediocrity. Maybe that will be the
only way that the coaches actually make a change and try Lark at QB and look
seriously at Coach Doman's competence as an OC.
I am concerned. I an concerned that Jake seems to have back-slid from the last
half of last year. Whether it is a new offense, new offensive coordinator or
loss of confidence, he needs to reach down inside and find what it takes. But
he knows that.I am more concerned for some of us. Assuming 80% of
the commentators are LDS, and at least half of the rest are Christian, or adhere
to some charitable code of ethics, the level of spiteful vindictiveness is a
real concern.Max Hall's melt down was not funny and I would hope
that each of us would regret any part our idle words might have played in that
sad episode. Sorry to have to say, but idle words spoken in annonimity will
still be held to our account, for good or for bad.
I will wait and see what the numbers are at the end of this season and compare
them with other sophmore QB's from BYU's past. BYU has played a more diffucult
opening 4 games the last 2 years than what the local teams were used to while in
the MWC. Heaps should do exceptionally well against the weaker teams but so
should Wynn do better against the last 5 teams the Utes play this year(WSU, OSU,
UCLA, UA, CO). They are on par with the WAC teams BYU will play.
Heaps has not gotten the job done. I agree with Sunny that anyone could say the
numbers will improve against the weak teams that are upcoming. The bottom line
is Heaps is not the QB he and everyone thought he would be.
In the UCF game Jake missed two open receivers for touchdowns and at least two
or three third down passes that should have been fairly easy throws. Those would
have translated into eleven points (we ended up kicking a field goal after the
first missed td pass) and several extended drives. Who knows what those extended
drives would have turned into as far as points for the offense and rest for the
defense. Either way the score would have been at least 34-17, which would have
made us all much happier. Inches away? Maybe-or at least 4-5 better throws away.
But there is still no reason to be missing that many relatively easy throws.
Until Jake gets enough confidence to show his skills against ALL competition we
are going to have to continue to rely on special teams and defense.
Aren't we all, Mr. Frazier, aren't we all.
Jake Heaps maximum potential has allready been reached. Can we try somebody else
at quarterback now?
From a big Cougar fan here to Heaps and Doman, please, for all of our well
being, deny all interviews!! Thank you.
...But the growth that's been experienced for him in these last four weeks, I
don't know where else we would have found it...And now Heaps in only
'inches' from full potential.How many inches?
Redwood trees and kindly birds? What in the world is that guy talking about. I
hope for his sake the "talent" shows up on the field Friday night
because so far it's been pretty much missing in action. If not at least there
will be sweet notes delivered to his stinging ears on Saturday and Sunday during
GC. Robert Turbin is the real deal. Go Aggies!
I love the nay sayers and would love to see them when BYU starts to meet
expectations. It is just a matter of time. It is impossible to take our talent
and work ethic coupled with the charity work that happens and not eventually
reach your potential. Be patient folks....it takes time for a redwood tree to
grow. This reminds me of the children's story of the giant redwood that takes
all the abuse from the other trees as it begins to grow. Soon, it is in a
different atmosphere, unable to even hear the other so called trees except for
the notes delivered by the kindly birds. Simple but true.
The thought of playing San Jose State, New Mexico State, Idaho State, Oregon
State, and Idaho would make any OC "state" that the offense is
"inches away".30 to 50 point wins and 500 yard passing
games are just around the corner.
Heaps and Doman are still in training wheels, and all the talk in the world
won't change that. "Inches" away from greatness? Getting ahead of
itself, aided and abetted by the press, seems to be the only thing BYU is truly
great at now.Go Aggies!
I really hope the offenses breakout game is on Friday. It might need to be. No
disrespect to Utah State's defense, but besides studs like Bobby Wagner, as a
whole I think the past 4 weeks the defenses BYU has faced have been better. I
like our chances if our special teams play is solid too.Go Cougs!
Beat the Ags on Friday!