I am a 62 year old graduate of Oklahoma State University now living in central
Florida. I still follow my Cowboys and this conference realignment news. I, for
one, would love to see BYU join the Big 12 North. I believe that Missouri will
remain in the Big 12 and that the conference will remain stable at least for the
next 6 years. I would also love to see the Big 12 invite Boise State into the
North Division and then either San Diego State or South Florida into the South
Division to bring the conference back up to 12.If the conference
then wishes to expand to 14, the addition of San Diego State or South Florida,
which ever remains, another non-Texas school would be nice. One way or another,
this Big 12 fan would love to see BYU join.
@niners - I could better understand your stance if there were fans of other
numerous other schools on BYU's blogs constantly commenting due to the
entertainment value derived. The difference is, outside of Utah, there really
are not.Now, I agree that the hype around Heaps was a bit much as
are some of the prognostications for the season. Now, I can see why they happen
however:1. As a whole, BYU has recruited a lot better lately than
they ever have. In other words, the talent level is probably a lot better than
it was in the eighties and mid 90's when BYU won a lot more than they do now.2. BYU ended last season on a high note though now it appears mostly due
to the schedule lightening up.3. BYU is no longer in a conference
and currently doesn't have a tie to any worthwhile bowl. So, Heaps preseason
comments about focusing on the National Title may look funny because of how
they've played but, do you expect them to set a lofty goal of coming into the
Fight Humanitarians bowl on a hot streak?
"Sorry if my lack of hatred toward BYU takes some of the fun out of your
day..."@Utah'95 - LOL
toosmartforyou,I have to correct a few of your comments. I didn't
say BYU would never be able to compete in the Big 12. I said based on
Duckhunters opinion of Utah, BYU would be at the bottom of the Big 12 by a long
margin this season. It is not my logic that is flawed, it is Duckhunters and
that is what I am illustrating. My own posts all over the Desnews boards will
bear out that I am very realistic in my expectations of the Utes and of BYU.
Your post reveals you haven't followed the entire discussion nor have you
followed my posts on other articles. Blame Duckhunter for putting BYU at the
bottom of the Big 12, because if the Utes are as bad as he says, that's where
BYU would be.
Sometimes I wonder if Deseret News writers write stupid articles like this to
get their fans all excited about BCS chatter dealing with BYU. I think BYU
wants any kind of publicity in any way, shape, or form to market themselves as a
house hold name. They would pay big money to have taken the 54-10 loss to Utah
on ESPN back. Bad publicity and exposure for its sensitive feelings. They are
being very cautious about expansion with the Big 12, because they don't want to
look stupid or get rejected for fear it will look like they are desperate to
join a BCS conference. Therefore, they are arrogant and think like they have
the money and power to do whatever it is they want in college football and it
will be the BCS that will lose out on a deal with BYU and BYU doesn't need the
BCS, but that the BCS needs BYU (TO PUT IT BLUNTLY).
@ Mormon UteApparently you missed the Texas-BYU score of 17 - 16.
BYU was ahead for 3 quarters. So they indeed did play very well in Austin for 3
of 4 quarters and were not buried or intimidated by Texas, a Big 12 school that
is nationally ranked. So just because Utah trashed them (congrats to them for
following their game plan and playing very well) doesn't mean that BYU will
never be able to compete in the Big 12----they've already done that and came
closer to defeating Texas than Utah did to beating USC. Your logic is certainly
flawed by looking through those "crimson" colored glasses all the
time.I was actually at the Texas/BYU game so I know that about which
I am talking. We visited with dozens of Orange-shirted fans and to a person
they said two things:1- BYU fans showed up in numbers that exceed
Oklahoma, and2- It would be great to have BYU in the Big 12.These were fans that have been following Texas and Big 12 sports for
generations, unlike Utah fans who crow about 'everything Utah' since 2004.
Where did Duckhunter go?Long time passing,Where did Duckhunter
go?Long time ago.Where did Duckhunter go?Went to Tulsa,
everyone.But now he has returned,But now he has returned.
Patriot,I answered your question yesterday. I believe my comment is
on page 4 of this board. It is called the WCC and BYU's commitment to the WCC
with its Olympic sports. The LDS Church does not want to offend the Catholic
Schools by pulling out of the WCC after just becoming a member. Even Dick
Harmon (the Chip Brown for all things BYU) failed to point that out in his
nosaerfoecioveht | 12:36 p.m. Sept. 27, 2011 NSL, UT I agree.
The better the competition BYU plays, the better for everyone. Those athletes
deserve to have access to the BCS (as does Utah State).Ducky won't
respond to anything seriously.
Wow mormon ute is absolutely owning the duck right now. This is priceless. I'm
sure he'll keep avoiding the question. On a side note, I haven't
talked to or seen a comment from a single Ute who would care at all about BYU
going to the Big 12. I think it would be a great thing if it actually happens.
@ pugmanGo to the Sltrib and conduct the same survey bud....This is
a BYU biased company so of course more BYU fans are on it. In the sltrib
typically Utah articles have more comments.
re:GoGetterYou are correct. The Y's days are numbered if they
decline an invite however I doubt an invite will even come unless the Y really
promotes itself to the Big 12 in the first place so I don't think we will see a
decline of an offer but rather I see the Y just sort of staying in the back
ground and not really promoting itself ... for some reason. The end result is
that the Big 12 is going to pick up other teams and the Y will be passed over
again - not because they weren't an attractive addition to the Big 12 but
because they showed little interest. The question is WHY is the Y not out
promoting itself to the Big 12? No one seems to know the answer to that
question. I think the fact that Bronco only signed a 3 year deal is very telling
and perhaps gives us a hint as to the future of BYU athletics.
Duckhunter,Maybe I can help you a bit.The latest ESPN
Power Rankings have the Big 12 ranked #1 with the Pac 12 ranked #4. In the AP
rankings the Pac 12 is 5th. You say Utah is in the bottom half of the 4th or
5th best conference in the country. That same Utah team just trounced BYU and
BYU hasn't done anything in any other games to suggest this was an aberration so
it looks like they really are that bad. I would say that would put BYU at the
bottom of the Pac 12 which would also put them at the bottom of the Big 12 way
below the current bottom team in the Big 12.That being said, maybe
the Cougars are the ones afraid of BYU going to the Big 12, not the Utes. You
allege we Utes are commenting on this article out of fear that BYU might
actually accept an invitation. I say you Cougars who are claiming you don't
need the Big 12 are more afraid of the Big 12 than we are. Did I make it relate
to the article enough for you?
Duckhunter,As has been pointed out by many already, your credibility
is in the negative range now.My question is right on topic. I
didn't ask what you thought about the Utes beating BYU. I asked where BYU would
rank in the Big 12 given the fact that the Utes trounced them and you claim the
Utes will be in the lower half of the Pac 12 and on top of that you claim the
Big 12 is a stronger conference than the Pac 12. This question is in response
you the position you have taken right here in comments to this article and is on
topic as it relates to BYU possibly going to the Big 12.I don't care
how angry it makes you or how hard to try to avoid this type of question.
I've conducted my own little survey that began nearly or close to a year ago. As
far as the DNews goes, at the top of their sports page is a tab for all of the
Utah college programs. The one thing that is very very consistant. The amount of
posts on the BYU tabs are about 5 to 1 compared with the U. About 8 to 1
compared to USU, and Weber States is almost nothing at all. I wonder
why??????No....I know why, and so does everyone else....pretty sad.
@ Duckhunter | 9:35 a.m. Sept. 27, 2011 Highland, UT LOL.
@mormon uteYou are posting in an article that is about the
possibility of BYU being invited, and accepting the invitation, to the Big12. It
is not about utah beating BYU. You and all of the other utah "fans"
think that just because you ask a bunch of off topic questions, with the purpose
of simply trying to get BYU fans to give you answers to assuage your fragile
feelings of superiority, that you are somehow entitled to answers. You aren't. I
don't care if that gives you satisfaction or if it simply irritates you even
more.If you want to discuss the actual topic then I'm happy to do
it. If you want me to tell you how great I think utah and its football program
are, even though it has nothing to do with this articles topic, so that you can
feel some sort of vindication for your poor choice to become a utah
"fan" just realize it will be a looooong wait.I don't owe
you anything and neither does any other BYU fan. I don't mind utah
"fans" posting on BYU articles, I actually like it, but I won't do
anything simply because you demand it.
'And the infighting starts. "independence is the best thing
ever.""We only want exposure.""Money
is not a factor.""WCC is a great conference.""We think the large super conferences are bad."Isn't that interesting?' Orangebloods' Chip Brown is reporting
that TCU is back in the Big XII expansion conversation due to a perceived lack
of interest by BYU. There is also a line in the report stating that BYU is not
concerned about the money therefore the conference's financial appeal means
little to BYU.All of this is speculation and honestly I wouldn't
waste my time until some of the Big XII's stability measures have been
signed-off on and implemented. It will be at that time that BYU will publicly
Duckhunter,Why won't you answer any of the questions you're being
asked? Are you afraid of your own answers or just too busy deflecting attention
from your own failed predictions. You and sammyg and other BYU fans were so
sure of your team coming into this season and now your team is floundering. You
were resoundingly beaten by a team you disdain and claim will never rise to
prominence in the Pac 12. So tell us, where do you think your Cougars would be
ranked in the Big 12? We want to see if your predictions for you own team will
be consistent with where you put the Utes and the current performance of each
team. Will you show consistency that brings you credibility or will you reveal
your true motivation. Keep in mind continued refusal to reply to these
questions will speak volumes.
BYU fans:I am going to explain to you why I as a Ute fan get on your
blogs, since it has been bothering you so badly. #1. I can't help
but get on here and read about your pre season national championship predictions
year after year. #2. After BYU loses their first game, I just
cannot help reading all your comments on how your offensive coordinator is
terrible, how Bronco should be fired, and how your Quarterback can't throw 10
yards. #3. After you get on a small win streak, BYU fans change
their minds and say BYU should be in the top 25, how they will destroy Utah next
time they play and how next season they will be a national champion
contender.#4. I love reading the excuses about how you are the
better team after a loss no matter how ugly the loss was, whether it was Florida
St, Air Force, Utah, TCU, USU. BYU is always the better team.BYU
fans may not understand why this is so entertaining but trust me, everyone
outside of "happy valley" sure as heck does. If you want us off your
blogs, quit being so dang funny!
For nearly 18 months BYU fans have put up with the comments about the Utes being
invited to the Pac 10.2 and how BYU would NEVER get a BCS invite.And
here we are today with all the local 'haters' and naysayers throwing a media
hissy fit saying it won't happen when in fact the national consensus is that it
very well could.The discussion was not started by a local BYU fan.
Seems that Duckhunter is once again spot on.Whether or not BYU gets
the invite or accepts it, the story IS driving several Utesies nuts.
BYU, hold out! The Big 12 will eventually bust. Let the SEC take Oklahoma,
Oklahoma State, and Texas.Then, the Pac 12 will see the writing on
the wall and will be forced to take four more teams. If so, they couldn't
possibly bypass BYU again. The other three could be TCU, Texas Tech, and Boise
State. With the natural rivalries in the original Pac 10, then you could have
BYU/Utah, TCU/Texas Tech, and Boise State/Colorado all paired up.
Independence is working out perfectly for BYU; substantially increased revenue
and exposure this season, over what BYU would have had being stuck on the MTN,
and by being independent, BYU doesn't have to worry about Craig Thompson trying
to sabotage BYU's move to the Big 12 in 2012.
@DD JayMarioYou obviously don't follow BYU too closely. The
"weak" schedule only lasts for 2011 and 2012, then they schedule
bigger named teams. In 2012 Oregon State, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech are
scheduled. Last time I check they were BCS teams.Future schedules are getting
BCS schools. Typical of BYU haters they only look at now and not the future.
Keep a close eye on BYUCougars.com and see more new teams pop up for future
AD Holmoe talks about how Independence is all about increased exposure. When
compared to the MWC, I agree. However, by being part of the Big 12 with annual
matchups against Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, and Texas Tech in football and Kansas,
Texas, and Oklahoma in basketball, now that is exposure!!
Random thoughts...So BYU would be in a conference with a school that
believes it is better than everyone else? They would finally know how Air
Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Utah and Wyoming have
felt all these years.To join that Big 12 they first have to get it
past our Big 12.
"How about just being in a conference with Texas? BYU has to ask itself, if
it wants to be in a conference with a school that seems to think it is better
than everyone else."ROFL The pot calling the kettle black.
BYU is capable of making their own deceisons without the help of the sports
reporters.When their decision is made you can report it.
Just like most Ute fans, I would rather see my team go 7-5, 8-4 and play good
competition than go 11-1 or 10-2 against mediocre competition. Utah jumped at
the prospect for 6-6 to 8-4 records for opportunity to play in the Pac-12. BYU
should do the same. Rather see K St., T Tech and Ok. St. than SJSU, NMSU, and
ISU on the schedule. Playing OU and UT more would be awesome too. If the
conference implodes, go back to being independent or better yet, have a chance
at a super conference. Win win in my eyes. Church still gets exposure and fans
get to see better competition win or lose!
I certainly do understand the mission, however, I am sure that all those
boosters who donate tons of cash for the football program, would love to fly
their jets to Texas and Oklahoma every now and then. I would. Much better than
going to Idaho State or any other C-USA location. The program will never be
validated unless you play with the big boys, like Utah is doing this year.
If BYU declines an invite if they get invited, you can kiss BYU athletics
So far 6 of you have commented back. Hook. Line. Sinker.LOL!
Folks, Duckhunter likes to think we Ute fans need to put down BYU to prop
ourselves up, because that is his own problem. If you've followed him at all on
these comment boards he hardly ever says anything positive about the Cougars
without including some Ute bashing. You'll also notice no kudos to the Utes for
our win just statements of how horribly the Cougars played. He has serious
difficulties dealing with reality. I think he bought into Bronco's line last
year about the better team not winning the game. I'm glad the Utes left no
doubt in anyone's mind this time.I for one don't care whether BYU
goes to the Big 12 or not. For the sake of the rivalry I'd like to see their
football program survive, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Brethren in Salt
Lake decide it's time to hang up the cleats within the next 5 years.
@TJ...annual games with: USC, Cal and and semi-annual against
Stanford, UW and Oregon...Semi-annual: 2x a year. Bi-annual: once
every 2 years.@Duckhunter...BYU played horribly...They played? Really?What did they play?Varsity football?
"BYU has to ask itself, if it wants to be in a conference with a school
that seems to think it is better than everyone else."Sounds
like BYU would fit right in. Pot calling the kettle black, much? Oh, the
@TJ...Utah won't compete in PAC-12 with annual games with: USC, Cal and
and semi-annual against Stanford, UW and Oregon...Correction...semi-annual is 2x a year while bi-annual is once every 2
years.Hope you can tell the difference now.@Duckhunter...BYU played horribly...What did BYU play? Certainly not college
football--not even mid-major level football.
It is funny for me to see how many keep thinking BYU is doing nothing about the
Big 12 hoopla and that if they don't act it will be too late or, BYU hasn't even
acted so now that TCU and others are being talked about BYU has already been
left out of the picture. OK, simple, what facts do you all have to fall on? BYU
has never shown their hand until it is time to show it. They never leak
information, they keep tight about everything. On top of that, where has TCU or
any other school shown a request to join the Big 12? TCU joined the Big East and
that is all I have ever heard. There is plenty of guessing by media members as
to what will happen but someone please show me where the schools themselves have
shown the interest. They haven't because the Big 12 has been unstable. Once it
gets settled then lets see what happens but speculation is just that,
speculation and hype done soley by the media to get response like we see all
over this blog. Give me concrete evidence and then lets talk.
@Dutchman ...Go easy on Duckhunter. He just finished a week of rehab
and is having a little difficulty adjusting to reality. The rehab staff will
render an opinion in about a week whether he can still function...Good point.I don't need to wait for the report from the rehab staff.Based on his posts here, I know the program failed...:)
@Kosta Fesenko, I wouldn't know... I don't roam Ute articles. If
there are any there, they're as pathetic as the Utes here.
@ duckhunterI think the fact that you think our entire "self
worth" comes from BYU football shows that you take this way too
seriously...I don't know about you Duckhunter, but not one of my favorite sports
teams has an ounce to do with my self worth, and if BYU football determines your
self worth that explains a lot, i now find myself feeling sorry for you.
Better leave Duckhunter alone. Sounds like she has had a rough day.54-10 and your team quit Ducky.LOL
The author underestimates the WCC. They have done very well against the Big 12
in basketball and baseball.BYU will have its hands full in small loud
gyms. And before anyone snarks about that again. Just remember that Duke also
plays in a small gym.I don't like where college football is going on
the D-1 level. It has become a business with big money. Does that fit the
mission of BYU? If they don't end up in a BCS conference, or super conference.
There is always FBS. At least they have playoffs and are fun to watch.
Uh utah "fans" I was gone for 2 days last week, Monday and Tuesday, to
Tulsa on business. I psoted here on Wednesday I believe when I returned. carnak
even responded to me, she was almost giddy making a response that had absolutely
nothing to do with what I posted about simply so she could try to rub in the
game result.I don't mind. I don't mind any of you doing it either.
BYU played horribly.You see I enjoy watching you expose yourselves
here. The fact you are on BYU articles showing how badly the thought of BYU
going to a BCS conference scares you is all the fun I need. If you all knew how
paranoid you appear you would probably change your posting behavior but self
awareness is not the strong suit of individuals like kostaarticunocoolguy that
have so many screen names or any other ute "fan" trying so desperately
to make their paranoid desires hold true.I'd encourage you to keep
posting your paranoia but I don't need to. At minimum 10 of you will respond to
this post. LOL!
BYU joining any AQ conference only one year after declaring independence would
NOT be a wise idea, regardless of what many "fans" and some writers
think and say.Going independent was not a knee-jerk reaction - it
was a reasoned and informed decision; notwithstanding all the sophmoric
yammering to the contrary.Let administrators and decision makers
make their reasoned, informed decisions and live with them, especially if you
really are a BYU supporter.
socalutefan;@8:50AMIt's simple to understand....Utah won't
compete in PAC-12 with annual games with: USC, Cal and and semi-annual against
Stanford, UW and OregonUtah is relegated to annual finishes in lower
middle of the conference. If the PAC had added the BIG 12 schools, it would have
virtually eliminated the chance of Utah ever finishing in the top half of the
PAC and feeling lucky to get a Vegas bowl invite. See, I can do it
too. And it is just as legitimate as anything else here.
So Duckhunter, please tell us where BYU would rank in the Big 12?I
know you don't want them to go there and don't think they will, but I'm curious
about where you would put your team. Keep in mind you have the Utes in the
bottom half of the Pac 12 and even your coach admitted we have a better team
than you do so be realistic.
Duckunter,LOL!! You are hilarious. Great entertainment reading
your comments. After all the hype you joined in on about Heaps and Doman what
do you have to say for them now? Heaps hasn't shown up in any big games and
with only TCU left on BYU's schedule, he's about out of opportunities this
season. The only reason I can find for Heaps appearing to be so good in
practice and then running scared in games is that the BYU defense must go easy
on him.Doman is riding a pretty steep learning curve in his new job,
but is nowhere near the OC that Norm Chow is and that is to be expected. I
didn't expect Heaps to struggle like this, but I tried to warn you and other BYU
fans about Doman's lack of experience and the new offense he was putting in
place. Of course you said it wasn't a new offense, but just a tweaked version
of the old offense. Well, now we know the offense is so new even the
experienced offensive line and running backs can't make it work.I
don't doubt that both Heaps and Doman have potential, but both are works in
Lol @Pete in Texasno doubt that your rage is just as strong toward
the BYU trolls who roam the Utah boards (though for some reason, we haven't seen
them since last saturday.........odd)
AZjazzFan and Patriot,BYU is in a tight spot. How does BYU go about
agressively selling itself to another conference when it just signed up and
joined the WCC and in so doing told the Catholics that it was a long term
relationship? The decision of what BYU should do next will be made in Salt Lake
City not Provo. The brethren are sensitive to these matters and well versed in
these issues. Most of them were around when the decision was made regarding
athletics that changed the course of BYU-Idaho. I am sure they got plenty of
feed back from that decision. They will make the best decision for the Church
and BYU going forward. It may not be a decision that pleases all the fans.
Okay.... first off: what in the world are we doing allowing all the Ute trolls
to post on a BYU issue? Pretty pathetic that they can't leave well enough alone.
They gotta post.... kinda sad, really.Secondly, I'm a lifelong BYU
fan and if/when BYU gets an invite from the Big 12, I would sincerely hope they
turn it down. The Longhorn's ego rules the roost here, (I'm in the heart of
Texas), and the reason A&M left was because they were tired of putting up
with the "better-than-you" attitude that follows Longhorns everywhere.
BYU is doing fine. I am totally satisfied with independence. For those of you
who will give up season tickets if they don't sign with the Big 12, I'd say....
sweet! BYU doesn't need "fans" like ya'll. (Folks needing to tell Tom
Holmoe how to run the ship.) I don't care if BYU plays Bo-Diddley Tech every
game, or worse, the Utes.... I'd be happy to attend these games. The BCS is on
it's way out. No one will care about "automatic qualifiers" as soon as
they're gone. It's a foregone conclusion. BYU.... stay. You've got
my loyalty. Go Cougars
This is so brain dead obvious it hurts and If Tom Holmoe keeps setting on his
hands BYU is going to passed over yet again. YES YES YES BYU should be down on
its knees begging to get into the BIG 12. Holy Cow Texas, OU, OSU, Kansas, etc..
This is a great football, basketball , track, baseball conference - better than
the PAC 12!! So what if the conference goes belly up in a few years - which I
doubt - if so BYU can easily return to it's independent status again if it wants
to. If BYU doesn't actively pursue this opportunity and then at least EXPLAIN
WHY I am saying it doesn't deserve fan support going forward. If a conference
isn't going to try to be the best then why should fans fall all over themselves
to buy season tickets anymore?? Something REALLY WEIRD is happening in Provo
right now and I don't think too many fans are privy to it. Is BYU considering
dropping NCAA athletics altogether? Bronco only signs a 3 year deal when he was
offered more. I think something is up that many of us don't know about - and
wouldn't like it if we did!
Hopefully the Big 12 (actually 9) gets proactive about being the first
conference to 16 teams (might tie with the SEC) adding TCU, Air Force, Boise
State, BYU and Notre Dame for football, and then considering two between New
Mexico (The Pit), possibly defecting Arizona schools and UNLV. That includes
letting BYU and Notre Dame keep their television deals and niche markets. A Big
XVI could be very stable and very awesome.
I hope I am wrong but my feeling is BYU is waiting around for a possible invite
but are not doing anything to move forward, just sticking to the wait and see
approach. Imagine a salesman who has an excellent product and keeps it to
himself. Imagine a missionary who sits waiting to be approached. BYU spends so
much money on marketing itself, why not do so to the powers that be who can
bring BYU into a conference and be guaranteed every year to play with the big
boys. Who knows, some new rivalries may develop.
Duckhunter -- great to have you back. I for one think it would be
great if BYU was in the Big 12. That means Texas and OU come to the state of
Utah every other year and Kansas basketball every year. That would be great as a
sports fan. I also can see the merits in the Y staying independent. I think that
route is a better fit for the mission of BYU. I am OK as a fan of both schools
either way. I see it as a win/win decision. I will tell you the same
thing I have been telling my Utah brothers over the last year and half. Why not
just be excited about your own team having a shot to get into a BCS league -
rather than trying to make it some sort of "rivalry" point? Does it
really matter what league either side is in for the "rivarly" if we
aren't in the same league? The game matters less and less as new rivarlies are
formed.In a perfect world, Texas, OU, Kansas and BYU join the Pac to
make it Pac16 and we get the best conference in the land.
Kosta Fesenko | 2:37 p.m. Sept. 26, 2011 Chicken McNuggetville, UT ... or once you have lit up these message boards with your dilusions
(see his prior comments about Jake Murphy, every Utah rb and qb, Whittingham,
etc etc etc) and your team takes a 54-10 pasting, you aren't big enough to come
back with some sort of regret. Instead, Ducky disappears for days and days until
he thinks it is safe to reappear with the same old tired banter.
Go easy on Duckhunter. He just finished a week of rehab and is having a little
difficulty adjusting to reality. The rehab staff will render an opinion in about
a week whether he can still function. LOL
I find it amusing that Duckhunter makes these blatantly inflammatory comments
and then says that people are "obsessed" with him when they respond to
him. Is he 10 years old? Its pretty sad if you require an
anonymous internet message board to make yourself feel better about life.
@Duck HunterI actually don't care whether BYU will join Big-12 or
not.I do understand if BYU does not want to join.Yearly
games with Texas, OK, OSU, Tex Tech, Iowa State, Kansas, KSU will be very
difficult for Cougars. So I will not be surprised they will decline if the
invite comes their way.By the way, has it been 2 wks since
54-10--why are you out posting already?
"BYU has to ask itself, if it wants to be in a conference with a school
that seems to think it is better than everyone else."Classic
comment, Robinson. I would argue that the Big12 needs to ask itself if it wants
a school in its conference that seems to think it is better than everyone else.
@ Duckhunter | 1:14 p.m. Sept. 26, 2011 Highland, UT Wrong
again as is your constant pattern. I hope that BYU gets into a BCS conference
because not only does the football team deserve a higher level of competition
than they currently enjoy, but the other sports deserve it too. Playing the
best competition week in and week out is what true athletes desire. You on the
other hand? Probably not.
duckhunter,I can only speak for myself, but as a Ute fan I am not
threatened by the possibility that BYU may get a Big 12 invite. In fact, I hope
it happens.BYU has a long history of having a solid athletic program
top to bottom. They are deserving of a bigger stage, and being a Big 12 member
would be a good fit.I wish the Cougars good luck, but hope the Ute
win all the head to head matchups.Sorry if my lack of hatred toward
BYU takes some of the fun out of your day...
What'sinitforme,"I'm with you on BYU fitting the value the Big
XII is looking for"Just what values are you talking about?
Here are some facts: Both Texas and Missouri are members of AAU (Association of
American Universities) that elite group that includes Cal-Berkeley, Stanford,
Washingtion and UCLA---schools that BYU fans claim kept BYU out of the PAC 12
because of differences in culture and "values". Most Big 12 Olympic
sports play some competition and most championship games on Sunday. The polls
in most of these states Iowa, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas show that
most of the people will not support a Mormom presidential candidate. So, please
tell me how BYU fits "the value the Big 12 is looking for..."
@kosta fesenko aka "articuno BYU" aka "officer coolguy" aka
"duckhunter hunter"I love how obsessed you are with me.
You have replaced failstorm as my number one fan!LOL!
@Duckhunter 1:14I think the Duckhunter has finally snapped. I guess spouting Utah hatred and "inarguable" predictions for
months on end, only to realize you set yourself up for the most epic fail these
boards have ever seen, will do that to you.At this point it's just
kind of sad.
I don't know a single Ute fan who would be bothered in the slightest bit by BYU
going to the Big-12. In fact, BYU and Texas deserve each other. Two programs
with an inflated sense of how important they are. Both like to be the top dog,
even when their performance doesn't warrant it. As far as
Duckhunter accusing others of being "obsessed" with
BYU.....bwahahahahahahaha! If there was a feature that ocunted the number of
posts on a particular forum, quack boy would be #1 on the Utah forum.
maybe BYU should just get out of sports completely they dont play on sunday and
the rest of the teams have to. and save me all that religious speech the
begining of the end of BYU football ? good !
@utah "fans"LOL again and again.yes utah won
that game, I'm not making any excuses for it but it is obvious none of you has
any decent response to what I posted in this article. All any of you can do is
deflect away from it. The truth is you're obsessed with BYU and your entire
sense of self worth is derived from saying "we are in a bcs conference and
you aren't". Pathetic but hilarious for us to read, over and over again.The truth is the possibility that BYU might actually go to the Big12 is
killing you guys. You cannot handle it. You post on every article about it
saying "it will never happen" or "nobody wants BYU" or
whatever other peice of pure fiction you can think of because this simply
crushes you.I personally am not sure I would want BYU to go to any
bcs conference let alone the Big12 but I absolutely love reading the angst that
ozzes from your keyboards over the possibility. It is obvious that you are all
obsessed haters.Please keep it coming. LOL!
PAC12 Fan:All those things are true. So whats your point? great
post. However, let me help even with all that stuff said if you can go into the
Best conference in the country for football and basketball then get real its a
BYU will not keep selling out games if their competition week in and week out is
San Jose State, Idaho, and New Mexico State. The Big 12 has some bottom dwellers
too but at least those games would be meaningful as far as conference standings
are concerned. BYU needs to start marketing itself to the Big 12 or they will
get left behind.
I know it kills you rabid BYU fans that Utah is in a BCS conference and BYU is
not, but I think it's time to face facts. If the only conference BYU can get
into is the Big XII, you're better off waiting 3-5 years. The Big XII will more
than likely be dead in a few years, despite the platitudes of the big boys like
Texas and Oklahoma. If the Big XII survives and BYU becomes a member, BYU can't
compete on a regular basis with the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State,
etc. BYU will, if lucky, win one game out of four against the real powerhouses
and will become the Baylor of the West. If allowed to keep the ESPN deal, how
much of that will be eaten up in traveling to Big XII sites. BYU will probably
be forced to subsidize the travel of the other schoolsas well. And when the Big
XII collapses, BYU will be left on the outside looking in in much worse shape
than it is now. Get over the conference envy and consider what is best for your
I agree with 'Pragmatic'--Perhaps it's time for BYU to get out of
intercollegiate athletics entirely. It's one thing to display BYU
student-athletes as 'a light set upon a hill which cannot be hid,' and quite
another to desire to 'play with the big boys' for the sole reason to receive
worldly fame and glory. Just between us, that sounds wholly like the wrong
reason. I'm proud of BYU (Class of '79), but it seems that the athletic
department is more prone to shoot itself in the foot of late. BYU-I lost their
highly-successful intercollegiate athletic program and they're doing just fine.
You cannot say that desiring to be in the mis-titled Big 12 is compatible with
the mission of the LDS Church. It is not. It's time to get out now and truly be
an example to the world.
Does BYU want to jump into a conference with Texas who thinks that they are
better than everyone else. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. The Y
would fit in there just nicely with Texas. The Y thinks that they are better
than everyone else right now. They have the best fans in the nation, even though
all of them were leaving at the start of the 4th quarter of the Utah game. They
have a huge stadium, with the best fans in it, which by the end of the season
will be half empty due to the Y's record, and lack of competition. They have all
this legacy and tradition, even though that legacy and tradition has not been
around since the late 80's, and 1 season in 96. I think that the Y should join
the Big 12 if invited. Texas and them can become brothers. Texas thinks that
they are better than everyone else, so does the Y, but Texas at least has the
last decade of great football, as where BYU doesn't.
this is great! Duckhunter comes back from hiding, only to make an
emotion-charged rant that gets laughed off because of its silliness. The best
comeback that BYU fans can muster? "Why are you posting on BYU articles?
You are obviously obsessed." and this is coming from the users who troll
the Ute boards the most! dang.....glad Im a Ute fan!
i don't understand why people think we should wait it out for a better chance or
opportunity. where exactly is that opportunity going to come from?there isn't one. what other conference could we possibly join that would be
better and more fitting than the big 12? pac12 is never happening, same for sec,
big 10, big east, acc. our only other options would be conferences that are
essentially worthless like the wac, mwc, c-usa, etc. so its either
stick with being independent or join the big 12, or fold athletics all together
which would be tragic in my opinion. we should join up and make our ambitions
known. if the big 12 crumbles as everyone seems to think so what. we're back to
where we started being independent again. we have nothing to lose by jumping to
the big 12
To: Johnjacob~whateverBYU has been good enough, although it was a
non-bcs game in 1984. While BYU does have a National Championship; sadly TCU,
utah and BSU do not.As to joining the Big 12 ~ I say if an invite
comes, like a duck on a june bug, you jump at the chance. We have to remember 2
things about BYU football;1) The players; these guys want to play
against the best, teams that will challenge them. Players don't want to go to
Wyoming in November and play in front of 10,000 fans. Players want to go to
Oklahoma or Texas and play in front of 90,000 fans.2) The fans; let us be
clear, football at BYU is also played for the fans. We support the players, call
in to sports talk radio shows, buy t-shirts, funny Y flags for our cars and pay
our hard earned money for the "cougar club". The fans don't want to
see us play Wofford St (like utah does). The fans also want to see us play
Miami, Texas, Notre Dame and others.Embrace the big 12 and Rise Up
to their level!
Duckhunter | 9:25 a.m. Sept. 26, 2011 Highland, UT Still
awaiting a response to this oldie but goodie:"May 26th: The
backfield (at the U) consists of a jc transfer (LOL), a freshman, and a rugby
player, none of which has ever had a single D1 carry. All of this with a
mediocre qb who just had surgery and won't even practice until fall camp."
Ducky, with all of your prior posts you have no creditability. Go back to your
2 week vow of silence.54-10 and your team quit.LOL
You may as well face it. If BYU wants in they are going to have to take a risk.
If there isn't a risk, other teams with more market share to offer will jump in
ahead of you. I think the biggest thing that needs to be evaluated is if the
Church feels comfortable in a league where Texas holds all the cards and calls
all the shots.
@ UT4Big12,Seems you missed my point. Sorry I wasn't more clear.My point is that BYU's trump cards are:- Its being able to
stay independent for awhile if not invited, or- If invited to be able to
turn the invite down if necessary conditions aren't met because independence is
there.I'm with you on BYU fitting the value the Big XII is looking
for.As for the ESPN contract, I don't believe BYU would need to give
it all up for membership in the Big XII. Seems JonnyDanger explained that in his
Duckhunter,There you go again, spouting off your opinion, even when
the data disagrees with you. You said:"The Pac-12 is a much
weaker league than the Big12 in football."The Big-12 is
"inarguably superior" to the Pac-12 in football.Uh, here's
the problem with your statements - Sagarin says that the Pac-10 has been
superior to the Big-12 in football four of the last five years, and six times
out of the last ten years.I recommend you take a few moments and
fact check before you make your next "inarguable" statement.
Quack, quack, quack, quack....54-10, Doh! 54-10, Doh! 54-10, Doh!
@Duckhunter...It gives you all a fall sense of superiority...do you mean False instead of fall?False?54-10 (could be
68-10 had Kyle not pulled the starters too early in Q4)
Re:JohnJacobJingleKeimer"BYU should stay independent,
free from the pressures of Sunday play, conference instability, disrupted
rivalries, large areas and winning."They can also stay away
from the pressures of good competition.
Who knows what is best for BYU? Too many qustions out there. By the same
token, if they don't reach out and try to associate with a larger, more
prestigious conference, then I think they will have missed out on an opportunity
for personal and institutional growth. Disregard what the die-hard Utah fans
predict. They do see things with rose colored glasses, and those are reserved
for UNLV. They will be just as successful as a Big 12 member as Utah will be in
the PAC 12, maybe more so, and in a wider variety of sports. And let's face it,
fans in red and blue, there's pretty much a national knowledge that the Big 12
is a much stronger conference in both football and basketball. I think the BIG
12 should offer TCU, BYU, and Louisville a spot at their table.
uu1832why do utah die hards post utah garbage on a y article? u not
getting enough attention? please work on filling you huge stadium before you
expend your energies on Y articles. BTW, even the trib won't publish articles on
u bball. it is going to be a long season....
BYU should stay independent, free from the pressures of Sunday play, conference
instability, disrupted rivalries, large areas and winning.
Welcome back Duckhunter. Was worried about you. Good to see you back on here
telling Utah "fans" how bad Utah is. It just isn't the same without
you. One question: If the Big 12 is "inarguably superior"
to the Pac12 - then how would a team that lost to a "bottom half" of
the Pac12 team by 44 do in the Big12?Couldn't resist -- no response
@SoCalUte fan,What you said is EXACTLY what I have always thought
about the Utes in the PAC. You guys are up in the night if you think you will
waltz into a BCS game in the PAC 12. Let's hear what you have to say after an
entire season of playing with the big boys. No more free lunch!!!That said, are you saying (for both the U and the Y) that you will never
improve by recruiting and playing at a higher level??
@ duckhunter 9:25You know whats hilarious?-54-10
hahah-7 of the last 10 -if not for 2 fluke turnovers by
Ole Miss and UCF, BYU would be 0 and 4!You want hilarious? now that
I have been reading the articles on the Y and U, not responding, but enjoying
the banter back and forth. As I see it the single biggest blow to the U arogence
would be for the Y to get invited to the Big 12. Gone would be the "we are
bcs AQ and you aren't" response to anything the Y fans say about their
team. It doesn't seem to be about winning a bcs conference or bowl game, just so
long as you "belong'. The bcs is terminally ill and will suffer
a demize in two years. There will not be any pac16 "super conference"
or any other for the following reasons:First: Iit would bring the
DOJ and monopoly charges. BCS doesn't need that.Secxond: Super
conferences would make a playoff system easier to institute, they don't want it,
loose too much money.Third: Behind closed doors the bcs people hav
already discussed the possiblity of being sued by some NonAQ, the Y has to be
one of the considerations.The y traveledf to Colo Springs, Fort
Collins, Albaqurque Dallas, San Diego, what's the differnce? Bigger schools,
programs. Easy to fill schedule as well.
fan32: Why would you think I'm against BYU making its best efforts in
athletics. Why do you suppose I feel BYU shouldn't join the Big 12 or any other
high rated conference? I would prefer to do so. I'm just a bit worried about
how many have drank the KoolAid as you put it in in a different form. As for me
I think the words of Elder Oaks ring true (good/better/best) which to me was a
talk on priorities. I am sorry that I don't reject the notion that
football has to be THE priority for Bronco and his players. I am sorry that I
don't see BYU football having a higher mission or calling then just winning
football games. I am not sorry that BYU football tries to recruit athletes that
will live among those principles. BYU's athletic program has been hugely
successful and was the dominant program of the MWC as a sports program. To me
that tells me that these athletes are working hard and that BYU has attracted
high quality athletes to their programs. But I think most, if not all, BYU
coaches, have their priorities in order.
@socalute"fan"And utah is going to be competitive in the
pac12? LOL! utah is obviously in the lower half of that league and it is a much
weaker league than the Big12 in both football and basketball. utah is probably
the worst means basketball program in that league.I understand that
utah "fans" hang their hats on being in a bcs league while BYU is not
in one. It gives you all a fall sense of superiority and allows you to tell
yourselves that you are somehow important. I understand that the prospect of
BYU going to a bcs conference, expecially one that is inarguably superior in the
big 2 sports than the one utah joined, is killing you guys. So you post on every
single article about it just to reassure yourselves. Pathetic but hilarious for
us to read.LOL!
To answer old cougar: Because I don't think prioritizing those things above
football, and being competitive and having football among the priorities, but in
the right place, is mutually exclusive. I think a football scholarship, like a
music scholarship, is an investment in a young person that usually pays
dividends. But perhaps that time will come as it did in Ricks
College that the athletic program be cut for higher priorities. As a past
educator/coach myself I was worried about what that might do to Rexburg and the
community and college life, like many detractors, I fully realized that life
went on and it did there and BYU-Idaho is a vibrant campus. However, I am for
college athletics. But I think all really good coaches, who are there to truly
help build young men, will tell their STUDENT-athletes that things must come in
a certain order. Does it mean that we don't study film? Does it mean we don't
practice? Does it mean that we don't work hard as a total program (coaches,
players, support personnel)? Does it mean that we don't play to win? Again, I
think Bronco has things in the proper order.
BYU should join the Big 12 and then refuse to play a championship on Sunday,
what better way to show that God comes before football. (talk about exposure)And
why should they worry about Texas thinking they are better than everyone else in
the Big 12...BYU has claimed to be better than everyone else for years! They
should fit right in with their Texas size ego.
@WhatsInItForMeYour idea of the Big 12 asking BYU to give up its
network or to give up its deal with ESPN is rubbish! The conference allows all
members to keep their 3rd tier rights. This is how the Longhorn Network came to
be. Oklahoma is trying to get its own network. However, all schools now have
to surrender their 1st and 2nd tier rights to the conference to ensure
stability. You are sadly mistaken to believe that BYU is holding
the trump cards. BYU is small religious school that is furthest away from the
Big 12 footprint of all the potential candidates. Yet, BYU's
market value (number of television viewers), its excellent athletic programs,
its dedication to maintaining high standards and its present academic standing
are the things that will stand out when compared to the other candidates. The
Big 12 is looking for a school that will add to the value of the conference and
BYU sure fits the bill.
It's simple to understand....BYU can't compete in Big-12 with annual
games with: Texas, OK, OSU, Tx Tech, Iowa St, Kansas, etcTo join
Big-12, BYU will accept a finish in lower middle of the conference.
Eagle, you and a handful of the kool ade drinkers will be the only ones left in
the stadium. Tom Holmoe will be run out of town if he botches this one. Start
selling BYU to the big twelve and let's do it quickly. The football team will
improve dramatically with the change. LES will stay full, the Marriot Center
will be full and we can start preaching the message to those midwesterners who
drove us off many years ago. It is perfect and inspired.
The real difficulty with joining the Big 12 is BYU is not competitive in the two
major sports basketball and football in that conference. It is not like Utah
joining a mediocre 1 good team, with the rest being very average. BYU this year
is either the worst or second to the worst team in football in the Big 12. It
may be able to compete with Iowa, Kansas, and Texas Tech. In basketball, they
would have a difficult time beating Texas, Baylor, Kansas, Missouri, or
Oklahoma, but would be more competitive than the football team. Football has in
general been a slightly above average mid-major team for the last 12 years, and
the last two slightly less than average. Moving to a league that has 4 to 5
teams every year being above average major teams is a big, big step up and not
one the Y can easily make.
"Shadows" and "Types".BYU is beginning to look
like USU; trying to get "invited" into the MWC.How did
that work out for USU?BYU worked USU like cheap labor.And somehow, BYU thinks it won't be treated the same way by Texas?
The key question is what our goal was in going independent - to make a statement
that we are available for a BCS conference in the future OR to stay independent
indefinitely.If it is the first one, then we need to think about
whether the Big12 is the best option to get us there and if it is, how to get
in. If it is the second one, then you sportswriters can stop writing articles.
I haven't heard Holmoe say they want to stay independent
indefinitely so assume they are watching how things play out. It would be best
if BYU stated their goals to set expectations for the Big12, WCC and fans.
I would like to see the BIG12 remain at 9 teams for the next two seasons, then
have BYU invited for the 2013 season along with Louisville and either TCU or VT.
I want BYU to play the teams they have scheduled for the next two seasons. If
there is more conference alignment than what has already been announced, I think
the dominos will start falling and BYU should try and join a stable BIG 12.
My experience too Mike Sorenson; some loud BYU loyals laughed at the prospect
that the PAC 12 would add teams, (meaning the current PAC 12 is better than the
best of the Big 12). Then when the Big 12 was possible for BYU they cheered,
(meaning the current Big 12 is better than Independence.)PAC 12PAC
As far as the monetary rewards of BCS/bowls: In a conference, anytime any
school goes to a bowl game, the $$ from that bowl goes to the conference, who
redistributes it. Usually they give more to the teams going to the more
lucrative bowls, but conference affiliation tends to even things out a bit.
This is great for teams not going to bowls, because they still get a piece of
the pie (while not going to a single bowl game for the entire decade, Baylor
made more in BCS bowl money than Utah or Boise did from 2000-2009). Conversely,
some teams that went to BCS bowls last year ended up losing money on the trip
(although they probably gained more in exposure, etc, so it isn't a loss for the
university by any means). As an independent, BYU gets to keep all the money
they generate in any bowl matchup. If they can actually make it to a BCS game,
they get to keep ALL the cash. This year, they get to keep all the cash from
the Armed Forces Bowl...however much that is.
Second, BYU football pays for itself and all other sports. The money spent on
scholarships for athletes, etc is not money that would otherwise be going to
scholars, musicians, etc. BYU athletics gave almost $4 million back to the
university last year (before the ESPN contract), so in essence those athletes
are actually paying for the scholarships of some of the artists and scientists
attending BYU, not the other way around. With more income now, we will probably
see even more $$ going back into the University (in addition to more $$ into the
athletic program overall).
A few points:As was said, tier 1 rights go to EPSN/ABC, tier two to
Fox and tier three can be held by the University. That means for any given
game, ESPN can choose to broadcast it, if they choose not to, then Fox can
broadcast it, and if they choose not to then the University can do with it as
they choose. BYU could keep their contract with ESPN for those third tier
rights and broadcast on BYUtv whenever they don't get picked up. There is not a
school in the country besides Notre Dame that is getting more TV exposure this
year than BYU. Texas and Oklahoma don't get picked up in that first/second tier
every week. Having a guaranteed TV appearance every week would be a HUGE boon
to any team in any conference (hence the LHN).
I know I am a Utah fan but I am going to give my honest opinion on BYU joining
the Big 12....DON'T DO IT! It is a very unstable conference right now and who
knows how much longer it will be a conference. There is no harm in being
patient and waiting for a good stable conference to invite you(In my opinion
will happen, considering BYU is consistently a good football team) Also, there
is no harm in staying independent for a few years and seeing if you can turn
yourself into a Notre Dame type program. Just because the fans want to be in a
BCS conference right now does not make it the best option. Being Independent
for the next four years would not be nearly as bad as joining the Big 12, having
the big 12 collapse in 3 years and BYU being forced to join the WAC.
If bronco claims winning is not that important, watch what happens in the stands
the next few months. The ticket holders don't feel the same way.
Sounds like bronco is reminding Holmoe of what he told bronco when he was hired.
"winning is not the most important thing at BYU." Holmoe was thinking,
"win or be fired." Bronco is nervous.
Re: Jose SchmoeYou may be right but half the cougar fans don't agree
with you. Most cougar fans want great competition. The empty seats
last week I'd only going to grow. Can't find a seat at RES. Thousands of free
tickets were available last week on fb and ksl. So who has the fickle fans or
are there simply a lot of fence sitters?
Sorenson nailed it in the opening of the article:"It's funny
how one's perspective can change overnight.Last week when it looked
like the Pac-12 might expand by four teams and add Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma
State and Texas Tech, some BYU fans snickered at the prospect of the rival Utes
having to suddenly be in a division where they would make annual trips to
Lubbock, Texas and Stillwater, Okla., instead of Los Angeles and the Bay
Area.Hardly 24 hours later, Cougar fans were doing cartwheels over
the prospect of making trips to Lubbock and Stillwater . . . not to mention,
Ames, Iowa, Manhattan, Kan., and Waco, Texas."Ah, the
mysterious minds of Cougar fans....
NO!!!! Stay away from the Big 12. Their biggest teams are trying to get away
and will eventually get away to different conferences. BYU has the perfect
set-up right now and it gives them the ability to be flexible. Independent and
with your own TV contract is so much better than locked into a declining
conference who will regulate more. Notre Dame is independent and it has worked
wonderfully. I wonder if at some point the LDS church may convert to the BYU
-Idaho system of intra-mural sports only....I don't agree with Bronco saying
winning is low on the list but if that is what he is supposed to portray then
maybe DIV I sports can go away at BYU and the money can be integrated into the
Perpetual Education Fund and educating third world LDS members.
whine whine whine.Look at all of the ute fans trying to pose as
Cougars.BYU is in a great place right now. The powers that be can
see the college football is becoming a huge mess and it is probably best to not
get stuck in a conference right now. There are going to be plenty
of lawsuits going on the next few years and being independent in football will
much better than being stuck in a conference.For those that can't
see clearly past the BCS, it is going away so there will no longer be a
"big dance" BCS system. The BCS leaders can see the
writing on the wall and are trying to shake things up once again.That being said, BYU still has to win.I trust in BYU's leaders to
make the decision that will be right for the university.The fence
sitters will have to decide if they are real fans or not.Go Cougars!
Joining the conference is not getting "in the middle of what seems to be a
jealous feud between Oklahoma and Texas". Independence is the route to
suicide, even for the "mission" of the program. Weak scheduling and a
mediocre record will actually harm whatever they see as their
"mission." Football should not bee seen as a primary tool for telling
the world about the church. If "eagle" feels so strongly about what
s/he said, then BYU should shut down its football program or de-emphasize it.
The obsession with PR is twisted.
@ Eagle: So, since football is such a low priority, why do we pay Bronco so much
for something so low on the list? Why do we offer young men expensive
scholarships to play low priority football rather than offering those 100 or so
scholarships to promising young scholars, artists, musicians, etc.? I think I
agree with you, but if we're correct, perhaps BYU should dial down its $
commitment to athletics and redirect our resources to higher priorities.
And the infighting starts. "independence is the best thing
ever.""We only want exposure.""Money
is not a factor.""WCC is a great conference.""We think the large super conferences are bad."Isn't that interesting?
BYU will not get an invite. They have too many issues to be considered, and the
football program is on a downward slide. I really think that BYU fans should
get ready to accept the status of other like-minded schools such as Liberty U
and Oral Roberts. No BCS conference really wants to deal with BYU on a permanent
BYU needs to be agressive about getting the invite.... If they don't organize
themselves and show the Big 12 that we very much want to be apart of their
conference we will probably be making the worst athletic and financial decision
that has ever been made in school history.... Samuelson and Holmoe will forever
be Goats that the Alumni will point to as irresponsible and unqualified for
making the right decisions for the University....If they have not
already done so, a Committee needs to be appointed for the sole pupose of
putting together a presentation and a show and Tell for the Big 12..... We need
to break down the Athletic Financials and have them available for the Big 12 to
look at.... And we need to offer suggestions on how the Conference can work with
our "No Sundays" Requirement.... Folks like Lavell Edwards, Danny
Ainge, Gifford Nielson and those with ties to the Big 12 need to be part of this
effort.I can't even imagine why we wouldn't be tripping over
ourselves for the opportunity. I thought that our goal was Exposure, Financial
Success, and Achiving Excellence... Becoming a member of the B12 satisfies those
"sisucas | 10:53 p.m. Sept. 25, 2011 San Bernardino, CAWhat's
the point of a BCS bowl? Teams want to go there so they can make money. BYU
probably makes a lot more TV money as an independent than they would make by
getting to a BCS game or winning a conference."Lat I checked,
BYU was not making 14 million a year off a tv contract as an independent, not
even close.Getting to BCS bowl game isn't just about money, it is
about being good enough to be included and BYU has not been while Utah, BSU and
TCU have been.
I hate to say this but Bronco is right. I know this might upset
ultra-competitive BYU fans but there are more important things than football.
Bronco's priorities are in order. God, family, friends and education MUST
always trump football. In fact, most coaches believe this, even the guy that
coaches the institution 40 miles north of Provo. It is time to put to bed the
delusions of what most good coaches are about. It doesn't mean that the players
that put these priorities can't play hard, play with focus, play determined and
be competitive in whatever way we want to define this. But football is football,
ultimately it's just a game that should be prioritized properly.
I don't care about all that....just give me a new qb who's name isn't heaps and
I'll be very, very happy. I'd like to see the other qb's now....can't be any
worse then heaps...never know, we may actually get someone who isn't afraid to
play the game, who doesn't think he's going to the NFL next year, who does't say
WE all the time, who doesn't stare down the receiver he's going to throw the
ball too (and that's before it's hiked), and one who doesn't get interviewed all
the time. Seriously Dnews...start interviewing guys that made a good impact on
the game, please. I really hope he gets booood off the field next Friday.
Based on decisions made over the last year, I rather doubt that BYU will make
the right decision. Splitting up their various teams into different conferences,
a football coach telling everyone that he is more concerned about the
"bigger mission" rather than winning football games, does not project
confidence in Cougar fans. It does appear that the glory days for BYU athletics
is in the rear view mirror. It is sad to see this downhill spiral as BYU has
given all of their fans alot of great moments. While the jury is still out on
all of this, I am not confident that this athletic department has a clear view
of where they want to be in 5-10 years. I would be concerned if I were a
conference offical of even extending an invitation to BYU given the recent
What's the point of a BCS bowl? Teams want to go there so they can make money.
BYU probably makes a lot more TV money as an independent than they would make by
getting to a BCS game or winning a conference.
BYU is dragging it's feet too much to get an invite now. Look for TCU to get the
1st invite now. Or Houston. Or Louisville. The Cougars better get used to
independent life peppered with WAC and C-USA opponents. Meanwhile, Utah gets to
enjoy the sweet life of the Pac-12.
1st and 2nd Tier TV rights (equal shares) would be locked up with the rest of
the conference for 6 years. 3rd Tier rights belong to the individual schools
see:LHN. No Sunday, no problem. I think the 1 bowl game that is set for a
Sunday and is not affiliated with the big 12. Once things settle down, it should
be a good conference for many years to come.
Please, Please, Please don't leave out of this one. Send the troops to Texas
and Oklahoma and do what must to get us into the big dance. Independence is nice for a little time but the games right now and in the
future are lame. Remember you had to buy two games you didn't want to get the
Utah game. For thirty years or more we have waited to be part of
the big league. Go. Go now. Do it. Lengthen your stride. The
players deserve this, Provo deserves this and the BYU fan deserves this -
Could someone explain the idea that "BYU would get to keep its ESPN
contract"?The Big 12 tier one broadcast rights are owned by
Fox, a competitor of ESPN. You don't really think that BYU would enter a league
and not be bound by league contracts, do you?
It's time that BYU drops the collegiate sports program completely. It's going
to be too difficult for them to deliver a quality product year in and year
out...given the complex mission and objectives of BYU; other than just WINNING.
As recent events have shown, college football grows increasingly more divisive.
It is rooted in profit motivated self interest creating envy from programs which
reside outside the so called "BCS" system. Joining an increasingly
elite centered system is potentially dangerous to the larger mission of the
church. Whatever is decided the church must remain true to its core principles.
BYU won't keep selling out games if their competition week after week is Idaho
and NM State. Mark it down!
If BYU receives an invite to join the Big 12, and they decline in favor of
remaining independent in football. It will be the beginning of the end of the
BYU football program. Let's hope that the powers that be at BYU can see the
value of being affiliated with a BCS league.
It's doubtful BYU will lose much that it already has by joining the Big XII. If
they want BYU bad enough, they'll allow it to continue its BYUtv setup, a lot of
its ESPN contract, and the no-Sunday play thing. Exposure won't be minimized.BYU's not dumb enough to get into bed with Oklahoma and Texas AND give
all that up, too, just to be in a BCS conference. There's plenty of time before
16-team superconferences occur because of what the Pac-12 recently did.Like someone said Samuelson told him after the BYU game, BYU's "in a good
place right now." Take that for whatever it means, but I think it means
that either way BYU will make the correct decision for itself, because it can.
It's holding the trump cards.
While some might perceive this as BYU getting into an unstable relationship, BYU
athletics in and of itself is unstable as an independent. Right now it is a
standoff since the BYU administration if its afraid of anything is taking an
application forward to LDS Church leaders and having it rejected. Similarly the
Big 12 presidents/chancellors don't want to invite BYU and have this PR disaster
to happen. BYU would be easier to get than TCU since TCU has a singed contract
to join the Big East next year.
I still think the super conferences will not last long even if they do happen.