Cougarfan04,Please read closer. I have conceded that he may be good some
day. I have nothing against him personally. What bothers me is the departure
from what has always worked before. Name me one former BYU QB great that wasn't
developed systematically? This is not only unfair to the team, it's unfair to
@clintharris...well I dont know how you know all of that, unless your on the
inside of BYU's football program. All im saying is the kid is young, cut him
some slack. by his senior year I trust that he will be BYU's all time winningest
QB. Do I love how Heaps has played lately? of course not, but I still stick by
the coaches decision to play him over some other talented QB's. I just think we
need to cut him some slack. he will break out
I really wonder how Heaps would be performing if Anae were still the Offensive
Coordinator. So, while I really have had about enough of Heaps (and had to
purchase a foam TV brick as a result), I'm not so sure that there isn't a bigger
problem in Doman as the OC.
Why is this article not entitled "Jake Hypes is NOT a work in
Article quote: "Then, on the opening drive of the third quarter, BYU faced
fourth-and-3 from its own 39 when Nelson ran the option and pitched the ball to
running back David Foote, who gained 21 yards for a first down."Gutsy, gutsy call.I loved it!The only question I had
was why did we trust our guys to go for it on 4th on our own 39 yard line and
then later on in the game, when we were at about UCF's 40 yard line (?), we
DIDN'T trust our offense on a 4th down situation and punted. That made zero
sense to me.
Let me help translate:Work = going to play 90% of all offensive
snaps.In Progress = the "good" part of our schedule is
coming up so we will show how well Heaps (and the offense) has progressed.Didn't they get time off in camp because they were so far ahead?
@Deserthiker"I'd love to see Riley play but he's a senior and any
growth he makes this year doesn't help the team in the future."Actually Nelsen is a Junior.
CougarsFan123,Go youtube "Jake Heaps worst nightmare" to
see how bad he really is.Those high school teams must have been
really bad. Live in the now, he may have had good stats in high school, but look
at his stats in NCAA football, where he is playing NOW.
I could see this coming at least 2 1/2 years ago at a High School Allstar
passing Tournament in Las Vegas. There were 32 teams from across the West
including two teams from Utah. One team from Utah beat all 4 California Teams
and ended up playing in the Championship Game.The team from
Washington that was led by Jake Heaps did not even make it to the final 16
teams. They had a losing record in the 4 games they played (1-3) and Heaps
(although being watched by many scouts) was really off. Big arm but not much
accuracy. There was no real rush coming but a 4 second time to get the pass off.
Heaps was quite slow and not much of an athlete. He also focused immediatly on
his intended receiver. This was picked up by the free safety in the two games I
watched. Pretty sure Mr. Heaps led the tournament in INT's. He had 3 in each of
the games I was able to see.Best of luck with this guy. Mom and Dad
did a great job marketing him but there is not much Game Time talent.
True Blue, your comparison of Ty and Heaps is completely off base! Heaps isn't
breaking in an O-line like Ty did. Heaps isn't breaking in a WR corps like Ty
did. Not to mention the defense that year. Plagued with injuries and a bunch of
slow guys. I should know, I was one of them. Your way off base!
There is NO comparison what so ever!
Couldn't agree more with the first sentence. In college, you have the benefit of
using the "Red Shirt" and this is what needs to happen here. I
had the chance to see a few practices before the season started and watched the
QBs compete in an accuracy competition after each practice. They took a big
plastic garbage can and placed it forty yards away and each QB had five balls to
see how close they could get. (A long dart throwing competition!) I don't
remember what the big kid did but Riley's closest was three yards away. Heaps
hit it once and Lark put it in the freaking can twice and hit the lip the other
three throws. I'm not sure what Doman is trying to prove but when your starting
QB goes 16/34, and nearly every throw between 5 and 25 yards is thrown high
and/or over thrown, one would think that the dude putting it in the garbage can
from 40 out, ought to get a rep or two.
cougarfan04,This is my third attempt at getting a response approved
regarding your entry. Simple answer: There are many people, parents and players
included, who are devoting time and money to an experience on this particular
team, at this particular institution, for the privilege of attending it for all
it offers and stands for, when properly observed. I know that many of these
young men, some of whom play QB, work harder and are better prepared, even more
highly respected and regarded by teammates than Mr. Heaps. It is my opinion
that it is unfortunate to watch those young men be overlooked, both financially
and athletically, because a coach committed too much, too early before
"proofing his purchase", as it were. As I have said, I think Mr.
Heaps has promise, I just think it is obvious he has been promised more than he
has shown he is ready for.
My biggest fear is once a 5 Star Recruit goes to BYU and he proves time and time
again that he might not be as big as all the Hype.... I worry that if Bronco or
Brandon don't allow Larks to get into the game then they won't pick BYU. I know
it's famous and the University of Quarterbacks but if it is not working move on
and give someone else a chance. You have to prove to the future kids that the
best athletes will play! I am just afraid the current coaching staff hasn't
figured that out!! ESPN and all that is nice but the future kids aren't going
to go to BYU if they can't get on the field! Especially if they kick the older
players tails in camp!!
"Nice try Riverton Cougar. It's tough to catch what's not thrown to you and
the O line has given him plenty of time."Tell that to the
receivers, not me. And if you think he has all day to throw with the O line,
and that the receivers aren't dropping catch-able throws, then I suggest you
watch a replay of the game.I do agree with you on one thing: we (and
he) set himself up to too high of expectations. He his hyping himself too much,
and we are expecting him to play as we would expect an experienced senior to
play. I'm just saying that it's too early to say he's a bad QB in general.
We have so many fans that are just making me sick...our team won!! obviously
there are things that need to be worked on, but for real? I have never seen so
many unloyal fans. Im just as discouraged as you all, but give the kid some
slack, you dont think he is trying to improve his game EVERY SINGLE DAY? if you
dont think he is working his butt of then your only kidding yourself. show some
loyalty to your team, quarterback, and coaches
Nice try Riverton Cougar. It's tough to catch what's not thrown to you and the O
line has given him plenty of time. He's just a scared boy who may be a man some
day but needs time to become one. Too many expectations too early by himself
and others without the time and effort to develop. As many have observed and
commented, he not only looks like he's going backwards, he actually is. He
immaturely displays false confidence in his remarks to the press evidenced by
casting responsibility on the innocuous "we" rather than taking the
mature path and accepting what "I need to improve on", or, better yet,
saying nothing at all and just getting to work.I have said all along that
he MAY be good some day, but now is clearly not that day. Others are ready.
Insiders know it and have for months. We are dealing with egos run a muck. Too
bad for the program and those who are prepared to lead.
Can't wait to see this board light up when the cougs lose to the Aggies at home.
I'm not saying that Heaps is currently the best QB in the nation (because he's
far from it at this point), but you guys should cut him some slack. He just
started his sophomore year, for crying out loud! Do you really think Andrew
Luck or Moore would be more successful in this system (with receivers dropping
catches, and the O-line under-performing, etc.)? Give him a break.That being said, he better step up his game, and if he continues to do poorly,
he should be benched temporarily, to show him that he needs to earn his spot.
Let's be realistic, the whole offense needs work. Let's hope to see some
improvement from our coaches.
First of all, good to see you back in action Ducky. We thought you'd moved to a
foreign country after the Utah game.Second, football coaches tend to
be "alphas" and alphas are stubborn by nature. They do not like to
admit they are wrong and will go to almost any lengths to prove themselves
right. But, what they can't live without is winning. So, my guess is that
eventually we'll see a press conference announcing that after much inner turmoil
and thought Bronco has come to see that the offense needs a new direction and
more energy. Doman will thanked for his contribution and he will move on.
Heaps will go to the bench. Sad thing is that the careers of Nelson and Lark
will have been largely wasted by the time it happens.
Bballjunkie, Barkley was an NFL guy last year as well when he was
just a sophmore. I think that he had something like 26 TD's, and only 10 or 11
INT's. Jake is on pace right now to have only 9 TD passes, and 15 INT's. That is
with a much weaker schedule than Barkley had to play last year in the Pac 10
against Oregon, Stanford, AZ St, and others. Jake is going through more than a
Sophmore slump. However, once he starts to play Utah St, Idaho, Idaho St, San
Jose, he will have like 3 TD's a game, with 325 yards passing, and everything
will all be well again, and you will all say that he is progressing quite
nicely. You will forget that he was no good against good competition, and all
will be well in Provostan.
I still can't believe Doman was hired as the QB coach. Then when they made him
OC, I was like "what?". Now you have recruited a bunch of kids with
talent with an inexpereinced OC calling the plays. What a waste of talent. Not
fair to the recruits and players. Not fair to the fans. Honestly, did Doman do
anything without Luke Staley? What a joke.
If Bronco and Heaps and Doman think they can keep giving us promissory notes,
they are sadly mistaken. Results count. If you can't cut it, go coach or play
somewhere else. It is way past time to take this program seriously.
Let's think about this for a minute:BYU's starting QB is a pure
drop-back passer (i.e., he can't run the ball himself) and he is ranked near the
very bottom of the FBS in pass efficiency. When was the last time BYU had a
starting QB who ranked so low in passing?So relatively speaking, he
doesn't contribute anything as a runner and contributes very little as a passer,
statistically.Sure, some of it might be Doman's fault and there have been
some dropped passes, but do you all really believe that no QB on the bench can
contribute more to BYU's offense than the guy with one of the lowest pass
efficiencies in the nation and has nothing else to offer in his arsenal?
"One more thing, why cant the center snap the ball back to Heaps sharply
instead of that soft toss. It really affects the timing of the play."Seattleview:You are right on. I've been saying the same
since day one. This goes to the very basic fundamentals the game. Enough of the
nerf balls!! Good grief!
Is Bronco really going to sacrifice two seasons so this kid can
"mature"? I don't get it folks. I don't. If he eventually becomes
something, I guess we'll sit back and admire the glow of Bronco's wisdom. But
right now, this is old and getting hard to watch. There is no spark of greatness
in this offense folks, and four games in this season I'm no longer holding out
hope for Heaps. We had that bumper sticker "hope for heaps" after our
"growing" season last year - how about we grow with someone else now?
"Work in Progress" is really being generous.
Heaps is going to be great! Then all you so called BYU fans/ ute fans/ haters
can have a nice HEAPing slice of pie. I seriously don't know what is worse chris
b and the ute haters or these so called arm chair don't know a thing BYU fans.
I see many calling for Heaps to be benched, why? sure he has struggled but he
isnt to blame for all the offenses struggles. There have been a number of issues
so far that have contributed to the struggles offensively from the OL, RB's to
WR's. Heaps and the rest of the offense need to work through these struggles.
BYU is coming off a win, you dont bench a qb after a win, let him try and work
through his issues and get better. He has only started 14 games which means he
really is just getting into his sophomore season as far as starts go. He is
working with a new OC and a new offense as well as alot of young players at the
skill positions. Not trying to make excuses for him because he does need to step
it up and play better but I think benching him this early would be a mistake.
Besides that we have already seen Riley and he just isnt a good passer, he is
purely a runner and a horrible fit for BYUs offense. Lark? who knows what he has
but it isnt time to just give up on Heaps.
I'll be honest. As a die-hard Ute fan, I was glad that Heaps was still starting
over Nelson, Lark or whoever else. If I were a BYU fan, I'd be going crazy with
the preferential treatment that the BYU coaching staff has given to him over the
past two years. They treat him as if they are afraid they will make him mad and
he will transfer.I can recall when BYU used to make their
quarterbacks earn their way. Wasn't Steve Young something like 5th on the depth
chart years ago? Yet he had to convince Coach Edwards to give him a try, and
look how he turned out.Heaps is always playing like he is deathly
afraid of contact in any way. Until BYU opens up the quarterback position to
the best player/leader available, you guys will struggle.
Jake Heaps...a work in progress.Ha ha...now that's funny. I'm laughing so hard
that I'm about to soil my pants. Here is a great plan...BYU should not play
anymore games this year and concentrate on practise. Practise until the season
is over, get rid of Heaps and Doman because they will still be...a work in
progress...then play the division II teams. I know this plan will work out
One more thing, why cant the center snap the ball back to Heaps sharply instead
of that soft toss. It really affects the timing of the play. I know they said
this got fixed after the first game but it still is too soft. I watched the ASU
game vs USC again was impressed with the bullet snaps to the QB and the speed
that their offense showed.It takes coaching and a willingness to be
Jake has talent and his is growing. Give him a little more time. Both Heaps and
the public believed the sports hype and now its time for the reality of
development. He'll be a very good QB.
Just two cents worth of opinion from a 35 year fan. I hope Coach Doman can get
to where he needs to be, and perhaps he can get much better. I am not happy
with Coach Doman's ability to help Heaps with the basics as others have stated.
The ESPN commentators even commented on this- his not setting his feet, etc.
This is too basic to be messing up on a regular basis. Too many people are
giving Doman a pass for whatever reason. What happened to the good old days of
BYU offenses that fooled opponents, moved the ball, scored lots of points, and
showed some grit? BYU used to have some great offensive coordinators.
@ TrueBlue Just for the record BYU is 2-2 this year. The 2 losses
are directly attributable to Heaps. The 2 wins are directly attributable to the
BYU defense. The only logical conclusion is that BYU either needs to play the
defense both ways or replace Heaps. How's your arm?
I see a lot of the same comments about Heaps not showing real QB mentals skills
and the need for more specific coaching that I have made many times in the past.
I expect the BYU coaches know this as well but I dont know if they will do
anything about it or not. Bronco should have hired an experienced OC
last year than Brandon could have worked with yet still focus on QB coaching.Watching all of the missed opportunities agains CFU, I wonder now if
people dont realize why coach Anae didnt "trust" Heaps to not turn the
ball over. It looks like he knew more than the other coaches did.
[Heaps] is a second year starter and the excuse that he is still developing
isn't valid anymore. -- where's the official statute of limitations on
"still developing" codifiedLark is better and he should
start. -- nope Lark has a better arm than Heaps. -- not even
closeWith two returned missionary backups who are better examples to
the youth, not to mention better athletes I can't see why Lark and Nielson
aren't given more of a shot. -- being a returned missionary is great, but isn't
a criteria for being BYU's starting QB and isn't required to be a great example;
there are lots of great LDS athletes who are great examples who didn't serve
Go to youtube and type in Pine View Football Highlight 2004-2005 and you can see
how good Lark really is. Number 7, the quarterback
BYU famns have learned something this year: One, Norm chow was an outstanding
OC. Two, they can't play with the big boys each and every week. You guys are
afraid of scheduling "too many high caliber teams". Three, the fans
want Riley Nelson. Really? They cheered with all their might and he turned it
over against Utah. Fans are fickle all right, and not informed.
@BigSamoanYou have to realize that having a disenting view other
than yours should not be stopped but encouraged. I disagree with your argument
that you have seen the best of Jake Heaps....I have watched too many QBs over my
time. Again I want to remind you of the facts lest they get in the way of your
analysis.Jake is a sophomore at the beginning of that said year.
Not too many of those doing well in our country. The O line is not
blocking well and the running backs are failing to pick up rushers during the
game. The receivers are not getting off the line correctly and
failing to catch all balls within their grasp...not by a mile.Instead of viewing the game, view the tapes by position and you will see what
I see. A more balance view of why we are failing as a team. Jake
will continue to throw interceptions; that's life when you have a gunslinger as
a QB. What will become more dangerous for our opponents is the fact that Jake
will soon be able to pick up 10 yards in his sleep. Thanks for commenting back.
I have always considered myself to be one of the most deeply loyal BYU fans, but
these last two years have been extremely frustrating to me. With two returned
missionary backups who are better examples to the youth, not to mention better
athletes I can't see why Lark and Nielson aren't given more of a shot. I'm sure
Heaps is great in practice, but playing well in a game is COMPLETELY different.
Put in Lark and see what happens!!!!
I don't know much about Lark but Heaps has the tools to be great. I think he
should have settled in by now but I haven't given up on him yet.
Heaps is ranked 110 out of 117 in pass effeciency
@ LonestarRunner It was nice that Heaps agent could finally weigh
in. I guess you'll have to find another money tree because Heaps isn't cutting
it. He's a second year starter and the excuse that he is still developing isn't
valid anymore. Lark is better and he should start. Lark has a better arm than
There are a lot of posters here in support of Heaps, telling the rest of us to
be patient, and that he will eventually be one of the greats. I wish I could be
as patient and optimistic, but I see a much bigger problem than just
"development."If it were just development of skills, I
would be less worried about Heaps. But as Bluto and some others have pointed
out, the biggest difference between Heaps and the BYU Greats of the past is that
the Greats were FOOTBALL PLAYERS with heart. That is part of what made them
great. It is an innate character trait that Heaps does not have. With no heart,
no determination, and no toughness, you can have all the skill in the world--you
can be the best flag football QB ever--and never rise above mediocrity as a QB
in Division 1 football. That is just the way it is.Heaps will not win against
quality teams, ever. I hope I'm wrong because the coaches will not make a change
without an injury. I am afraid we're stuck with him through thick or thin.
Heaps is ranked 110 in pass efficiency out of 117 teams!....
Any other school would make a switch at QB. This is a joke.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Lark deserves a chance to play. Heaps
is immature. I think a two year mission would have done him some good.
Everything is coming too easy for him. And I don't think Doman is
good as an OC.
I would feel better about Heaps if he would quit talking - especially about
"we" or "the team". He is not the coach nor the team leader.
Be quiet and start playing better. He will get there when and if he earns the
BYU Student said it best - Jake needs work but let's back off. I'd love to see
all of the bloggers have their work performance put up where the whole world
could see it. I even imagine some of us have jobs with a bigger P&L than the
annual gate receipts at BYU. So let's grow up and quit piling on the kid. We know the team has lots of issues and will not go far. I'm not sure
what we're going to get out of all of our carping about it. As for
those "fans" who are going to stop coming to games - fine if you do,
let's get some real fans in the seats. Don't forget, football pays the bills for
all the other athletics on campus. Imagine those kids when you make your threats
(many of us know a few personally) and think about the impact. Again, let's see
more maturity here.
by the time his ready to graduate in two years....he might be ready to be a fair
college QB someday.....This guy has no touch or finesse...he is
either in the dirt ten fet in front of his wide open reciever or chucking it
over their heads by twenty yards.......and by the way he can't run a
lick......he is good for minus yds rushing every game......and I am a die hard
BYU fan.....time for Bronco to go....he would make a great boy scout leader, but
he is a terrible football coach!
Someone compared Barkley to Heaps. bwahahahahahaha!!!!! Heaps might someday be
good enough to carry Barkley's towel. but not today. Heaps is a joke. But
hey, please keep him in!The best thing he has ever thrown, is that
press conference to honor himself. HEY-OH!!!!
Lots of clueless naysayers out there who obviously can't see the forest for the
trees. Jake is on the cusp of becoming a very good QB, and has the potential to
be a great QB.The absolute worst mistake BYU could make at this time
would be to bench Jake. I'm glad Bronco is smart enough not to pay any attention
to the mindless babble coming from the "bench Heaps" crowd.
Quoting Bronco Mendenhall,"When you're in a leadership position, it takes
courage to make choices like that, knowing that they're going to be
scrutinized," It's time to take your own advice Coach. Put your
ego aside, show some leadership, and put Lark in at quarterback. It's all about
the team. If it's all about the team then give your players a chance to go out
and have a winning season. BYU can't afford to waste 2 years developing a
mediocre at best QB
Heaps has not performed at all this year. He's digressed from last year to this
year. He knows this and that the fans aren't happy with him. He's probably
scared of losing his starting job to Lark, because of the way he talks like he
will be starting and "improving" on last week's performance. He can
work on his game in practice. Time to put up or move on Heaps!
I know that this is a story about Heaps and his progression...but could someone
tell me why Bronco doesn't ever blitz???I could throw a completion
with that much time and I am 70 years old and over-weight by 80 pounds.
It does BYU no good to put in Larks or anyone else if Bronco thinks Heaps is the
future. Then again next year he can start the season with a 2 QB system with
Magnum and Heaps.Ute fans were saying last year Heaps hasn't proved
anything besides that he can lit up cupcakes with 3 or less wins. To this day
he hasn't thrown for more than ONE TD against a team with 4 or more wins.BYU has a good defense to finish 8-4 so I don't think anything will
Have we noticed a dial down of Jake comments this week? I believe so. Maybe
Jake and the coaching staff do take some interest in the pulse of the fans.As a sophomore it's obvious Jake still needs work. How much longer
before we know what he will develop into, hard to say. Now that the easier half
of the schedule is about to come about it will be welcome relief I'm sure.Must have the 'A' game for this week against USU and prepare hard for
Heaps is not a good QB. Let's give Nelson and Lark a chance. Heaps has had a
fair shot. I've seen several highschool QB's this year who look better than he
@ seer,Please stop! We've heard enough! Who knows but that could
be the very reason why he's struggling. He's been hyped, praised, and built up
so much it's probably the reason why he's struggling and unable to live up to
expectations. I personally would love to see all the hype stop until we see
some results. Hope this Friday we'll finally see the real Heap we
heard so much about. I'm dying to see a break out game from him. Go Cougs!
Wake me up when Heaps is gone, and we have a good schedule.
Heaps < Ben Olsen
The competition at the Elite 11 must test every measure of a HS QB but his
I honestly looked at the other QBs this week just to view the velocity of the
ball. Heaps is the real deal! During his Junior and Senior year, the game will
slow down as his ball speeds up; I think he will get even faster. Even compared
to Jared Lee from LSU, it was not even close. Gang, we have an amazing QB who
throws darts. Those darts are hard to see and catch on the best of days. Once
our receivers can catch these fast balls and Jake tightens up his accuracy a
bit, it will be difficult to stop. I predict that next year, the camera will
have to slow down just in order to tell whether the ball was thrown or if it
just appeared in the receivers hands; the delivery of the ball will be that
fast and precise.
"Baylor and Junior quarterback Robert Griffin III, who has 13 touchdown
passes against only 12 incomplete passes this season, is 15th."More TD's than incompletions. Heaps has more (5) interceptions than TDs (3),
and a QB rating of 100. Griffin has a rating of 236. Griffin is a
Junior who started as a Freshman. Other notable Freshman quarterbacks who were
also very, very, very good as Sophomores:Andy Dalton, TCU, now in
the NFL 42-8 at TCU, 34-3 his last 3 years.Kellen Moore, Boise
State, soon to be the all-time NCAA victory leader as a QB, taking that record
from Colt McCoy, who was a starter at Texas (45-8). Moore's record as a starter
is currently 41-2Sam Bradford, of Oklahoma won the Heisman Trophy as
a Sophomore.BYU Sophomore starters: Marc Wilson, led BYU to a
WAC Championship and top-20 ranking, Jim McMahon, WAC Championship, Ty Detmer, WAC Championship, top 20 ranking as a Sophomore, Heisman Winner as
LonestarRunner,Have you seen any games?Big head, over
throws passes, NEVER rushes.Diamond in the rough? Over the last 2
seasons he has shown zero improvement.I'd take my chances with
polishing lark before Heaps now.Long live Jake Hypes, Utah State's
Heaps should not be starting. If a lineman had been playing this poorly he would
have sat long ago. It will help Heaps to pull him. The kids been enabled for too
@ LonestarRunner,Contrary to what you think, I'm not one of those
"fairweather, bandwagon fan" you refer to, nor am I anxious to jump
"off the bandwagon so quickly" either. I'm just an impatient and
frustrated fan, utterly disappointed at Mr. Heaps' poor level of performance
after all the accolades and hype. He's had a whole year of experience already
under his belt as a freshmen starter, and now into the 5th game of the year as a
sophomore, plus all the springs and fall practices he'd been through. There's
really not much room for excuses anymore. Right now is the time to fine tuned
what you should've already learned during fall and winter practices. Somebody
said something to the effect that when the time to play begins, the time for
preparation is already past. Having said that, I'm anxious for Mr.
Heaps to make me "look mighty foolish" for feeling the way I do. Go
Cougs! Hope Heaps will have a break out game this Friday.
BlutoGilbert did lose his starting job in week 3, but he then had
season-ending surgery on his right throwing shoulder following the game, so
replacing Garrett may not have been the "gutsy, open-minded" decision
you're assuming it was.
Eason starts because he is a senior and a nice kid. I think he even joined the
church. However, Sampson and Hadley are both better players. Bronco is too loyal
to his seniors. Uale is not a very good safety either but Bronco loves him and
therefore he plays. I'm not trying to discount intangibles but Eason and Uale
shouldn't be starting. We've got to have somebody better at safety
on the team than Uale and I know for a fact Hadley and Sampson are better than
Eason. As for Heaps, he needs to learn to pump fake and settle down
in the pocket. He is clearly terrified of taking a hit and thinks the only way
to complete a pass is throw it as hard as he can right after taking a three step
drop. Let the play develop and show some touch!
SammyG ChildWhy would the kids on the hill still be worried about
how their starting QB compares to the starting QB of a non-AQ team that's no
longer "relevant"?The ONLY QB comparison U should be
concerned with right now is Wynn vs PricePrice - 75/112, 67.0%, 983
yards, 14 TDs, 3 ints, 176.6 ratingWynn - 54/99, 54.5.%, 578 yards, 5 TDs,
1 int, 118.23 ratingOnce a little brother, always a little brother.
Where are all those homers saying that the Cougs had three QB's who would start
of Jordan Wynn. Good one guys, keep the jokes coming.
"Texas had no problem giving his other QB's a chance when their starter was
failing. Bronco is too stubborn to make such a move."Texas
stuck with Garrett Gilbert all last season and finished 5-7.
USU has "Heaps" of reasons to be hopeful about competing and even
winning Friday. Too bad for USU Heaps is not playing defense. There is "Van
Noy" way USU wins if the defense and special teams play as well as they did
last week. If BYU can score at least twice in each half (which side of the ball
scores, does not matter to me), BYU wins this game.BYU 28USU
I see the fairweather, bandwagon fans are out in force this morning with their
superficial "analysis" of Heaps performance so far this season.
Whether you can see it or not, Heaps is a diamond in the rough that just needs a
little more polishing.I love Riley's grit and determination, but
he's an option QB, not a passer.Lark, like Heaps, has the skills and
potential to be a very good QB, but he's even more rough and unpolished than
Heaps.Like it or not Cougar fans, Heaps is your starter, and he's
going to make many of you look mighty foolish for jumping off the bandwagon so
Remember all those stud QB's we had, while we had to endure years of Norm Chow
and his little pet Kevin Feterick?Well, here we go again.Texas had no problem giving his other QB's a chance when their starter was
failing. Bronco is too stubborn to make such a move.Jake has been
annointed, and nobody, save an injury, will ever remove him from his lofty
perch.It's Deja Vu all over again.
BYU's passing defense is absolutely atrocious. Opposing QBs have all day to
throw because the line can't get to him. And the secondary just doesn't know
what is going on. The safety, #23, should not be in the game. It's
apparent he can't read; he can't tackle (he tries the dive-with-one-arm form);
and he always allows the receivers to get past him and be open for long balls.
There must be SOMEONE that can play safety better than him.
I'm glad all the people comparing Heaps to Jimmer have stopped talking. He has
no grit and is too afraid of everything. (Remember the wimpy slide against Utah
last week?)Both Riley and Lark deserve to get some real playing time
to see how they do. If they do worse than Heaps, at least the coaches and the
rest of us will know that we are stuck with Heaps. But if they do better, we
have a better chance.And the "he is still really young--a
sophomore" excuse doesn't hold up when you are the starting QB. There is no
"next year." It is always right now.
Some QBs look great in practice but crack under game pressure. Others look so-so
in practice but blossom under the adrenaline rush of a real game. Jake has all
the physical tools and is brimming with potential but seems to be struggling
with the mental aspect of the game. Poor decision making, nervous in the pocket,
missing throws in games he makes over and over in practice, no on-the-field
leadership. He's young but doesn't seem to be progressing. I agree that it may
be time to see what Lark can do. I'd love to see Riley play but he's a senior
and any growth he makes this year doesn't help the team in the future. At this
point of the season, in addition to winning games this year, we need to season a
QB for hopefully better play next year. Based on what I've seen, I'm skeptical
that Jake is the answer for the future. Coaches have some tough choices to
make. Go Cougars!
Despite all of the hype, Heaps is still only a Sophomore, still learning to play
the college game, and he started with a very tough opening four games (14th most
difficut SOS according to Sagarin). As mentioned in another article, even Ty
Detmer, reigning Heisman Trophy winner, got off to a rocky start against tough
competition his senior year. After starting the season 0-3, Detmer finished
8-0-2, good enough to finish 3rd in the Heisman, and to win the Davey O'Brien
(nation's best quarterback) and Sammy Baugh (nation's best passer) awards.Heaps has the skills, he just needs to learn to apply them. Instead of
gunning every throw, he needs to learn when to put a little touch on certain
throws, like putting a little air under that throw to a wide-open receiver that
would have been an easy touchdown against UCF. Heaps also needs to learn to read
defenses better and his receivers need to learn not to drop catchable balls.Except for Detmer, the other great BYU quarterbacks you're comparing
Heaps to were all Juniors and Seniors. Have a little patience Cougar fans. Jake is going to be another great BYU quarterback.
The best college QB in the state is SUU's Brad Sorensen...a BYU transfer! Maybe
they can send Jake down to Cedar City in the off season for some training?
The great thing about independence is that every game is a "bowl
game". It is great training to learn this really is a world based on
succeeding by focusing on the current game at hand and that winning is the
reward and if you lose there is no next time to make it up. Mr. Heaps is not
ready to be starting, but is apparently the best the Y has. Success in high
school should give you a chance to compete to play in college, but you should
have to perform well to start. Finding players that can make the transition is
difficult. Just hope Mr. Heaps, is able to accomplish this at sometime in his
It is time to back off of Heaps. We all know he isn't having a good year. It
just isn't the competition either. One of the comments said it best when they
told of the lead up to all the hype. He hadn't really played Div 1 competition
and became an overachiever in the camps, High school etc. We the fans aren't the
only ones seeing our QB problems. The coaches see it also. They see Jake in
Practice where he throws straight and makes decent decisions with that green
jersey on. Nobody is going to hit him. He is just plain soft and an overachiever
in camps and high school ets. About one more game and the coaches will also have
seen enough. If he doesn't have a breakout game against the aggies, we should
see the change they have not wanted to make. I kind of feel sorry for the kid. I
hope he gets a good education.
Heaps is afraid to take a hit. That pirouetting move to avoid the
ball and contact in the endzone at the start of the Utah game was the most
hilarious play I've seen in a long time.Seems that Heaps is saving
his body for his NFL career.
LOL!I thought Heaps look scared again. He is just so afraid of
losing it makes him look like a little league B team qb. I bet you
wish you had a one armed Jordan Wynn.
I really can't believe that every BYU fan is this critical of Heaps. I've never
liked our fan base because they are so fickle and have such a lack of
understanding of the game. I don't even go to home games because it's
tremendously annoying to hear fans boo THEIR OWN TEAM. You don't boo your team.
Ever. You all want the same thing: a victory.Why are we getting more
critical of Heaps when he's taking responsibility for his weaknesses? Have any
of you ever coached any sport? I coach high school boys in lacrosse, and you
jump for joy when they see a problem, and you don't have to point it out. Heaps
is not some broken piece of junk; he's nervous in the pocket and can't deliver
some of the more finesse passes. Have some faith. I trust that the best QB is
out on the field. The team trusts it as well. We won on Friday, and we should be
happy about that. UCF has one of the best pass defenses in the nation. It's hard
to improve from week to week when the competition is getting better.Go Cougs.
maybe heaps is a good practice player but he is definitely not a gamer...anyone
remember that article comparing heaps to jimmer? that is the most absurd thing i
have ever heard of in my life
"Work in progress" - well Heaps, need to focus on the field and stop
talking to medias and your outsiders - meaning listen to your coaches and watch
I was hoping for some reporting here. Disappointed there wasn't any. Jake strikes me as a kid who's been able to get by on natural ability and
years of football camps. He ruled at the high school level but apparently never
had to develop (and may not have) the grit and intangibles for the next level.
When playing patsies and in practice he's spectacular. When being chased for
real in the backfield down after down by the monsters, he can't handle it.
Compare his mental game with Winn's in the Utah game and it was painfully
obvious. Detmer, Young, McMahon and Max had it. It can't be coached or
taught--you have it or you don't. I hope he finds it in there, but so far it
ain't lookin' too promising.Go Cougars
Unfortunately Doman won't give Nielson or Lark a chance no matter how poorly
Heaps plays. I wonder if its because Doman was the one who recruited Heaps so
diligently that he feels like he's his prized QB. I can't imagine the Cougs
would have done any worse so far this year with Lark as the starter.
Jordan Wynn > Jake Heaps
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sampson or Hadley move to the safety position
after this season to get the most talent on the field. Although next season sees
Bills return to safety and I wouldn't be surprised to see Adam Hines back there
as well.Love seeing Van Noy continue to play so well at outside
backer. It is sad to see Pendleton continue to struggle with injuries. I'm
afraid he is looking like another Luke Staley type of story - oozing with NFL
talent but just can't fight the injury bug.
I would love to keep the blue shades on but Heap's play is definitely alarming.
Particularly since he has now gone through two spring, summer and fall sessions
as well as an entire season and 4 games this season. He seems far less
comfortable in the pocket than he did the last few games of last season.I hope I am wrong but you have to wonder if he is more of a practice
player than game day player? We have seen a few of those - Brett Engemann was
one as was Ben Olson (even though Olson was also derailed by injuries). Engemann
and Olson wowed them in t-shirts but never tanslated that raw talent and great
arm on to the field.Heaps showed us enough at the end of last season
to hope this is just a case of him and his offensive coordinator getting on the
same page. We even see excellent pro QBs struggling when coaching changes are
made. But we really need to see him start to settle down, make his reads, and
put some touch on his throws.
how long until we put in another qb? Heaps is missing the critical open passes.
If he does have touch, then he is definately not showing it.
The good news they have the rest of the season to develop him as there is not
really anything to lose at this point. Bowl eligibility is likely with or
without him in the game.
one of the big things he needs to learn is how to throw the ball to someone wide
open from 10 yards away. i have seen countless throws to wide open guys out in
the flats that have been way off target. i mean these are seriously elementary
throws...can anyone say give lark or someone else a try.
ya a huge work in progress just to become an average D1 qb. we need a good
recruit to come in if heaps is really the best we have.
Why BYU is so committed to Heaps is a mystery to me. It seems like it is time to
give the other guys a shot.
Heaps is a work in progress? He has yet to show progress this season. He needs
to sit for a quarter or two and watch and learn. He is not yet the great QB he
thinks he is. I don't see the rest of the team having confidence that he is
their leader. Go Cougars!
Work in progress is fine because this kid will be the real deal. You have to
remember he is a sophmore, Look back to to USC QB, Barkley he did not have a
great year his sophmore year and now is projected to be a NFL guy. Heaps will be
fine and be will still have a good to great year this year and all you jumpers
can claim you were with him all the way.lol
A work in Progression? Or a work of Digression?Jake needs a
fundamentally sound QB Coach. Brandon was an option QB. He's noteven
teaching Jake the basics.-Jake telegraphs his passes, and rarely
throws to a 2nd or 3rd receiver.-Jake plays scared. He's jumpy, he rushes
his passes out of fear of being hit.-If he runs, he slides out of the play
way too early.-He's missing wide open receivers.Detmer, Young,
McMahon, Wilson, Sheide, Sark, Bosco etc. were football players, first and
foremost. They did not play "Soft", Jake does.Brandon
needs to make his own "Progress" as an Offensive Coordinator. It's
time to hand off Coaching the QB's to someone who can focus entirely on
fundamentals. Just Basics!There is a stubborness at BYU with the
Coaches. Bronco is in his 7th year of coaching. In 5 of those years he has
started out the season at 1-2. This is not how winning programs roll. It's
unacceptable and growing old.This "Perpetual Learning
Curve" dogma is getting very old as well, Spring and Fall camp are the
times to improve. No Bronco, things are not OK.Be Teachable and make
"Progress". Fans are restless!
"It was really hit and miss, to be blunt," Heaps said, when asked to
assess his performance. "There were critical plays, third downs and stuff,
where we needed to make some throws and keep the chains moving. Those are things
that we'll fix "WE??? We??? Who is We??? Heaps, you need to
start taking OWNERSHIP.QUESTION: Why hasn't Lark taken just one snap
in a game so far??ANOTHER QUESTION: Does anyone disagree that Riley Nelson
would complete a higher percentage of passes than Heaps, and also bring a lot
more to the table in the QB position??With the current status quo,
BYU will be lucky to pull of wins against USU, TCU, Hawaii, or Oregon State. I suggest "We" sit Heaps on the bench immediately. He's not
The title of the article should have continued, "...and it only took 20
years." Overconfidence has been his downfall. Will there be a
Gosh, Mr. Heaps, we're into the 5th game of the season coming up against a very
mad, frustrated, and yet very dangerous opponent this week and you just now
realized that you still have a lot of things that need to be fixed in the
offense? Hmmm, I think it's obvious your preparations has been very inadequate
and it's showing, very badly at times I'm sad to admit. I hope
you'll show up this Friday and be ready because those mean nasty Aggies are
thirsty for blood. Not a good time to face them after another let down last
night against Colorado St. Go Cougs!
I would love to see Lark get his shot. When ever I have seen him play he
appears to be a great quaterback that just needs a shot. Give him a
The sad part is that Mr.Heaps is out of chances to prove himself this year. In a
few weeks the Idaho States and New Mexico States will be marched into to Provo
likes calves into a slaughter house. Heaps will throw for 350 yards and 3-4 TD's
and proclaim that everything is fixed. No Jake. The only thing fixed
here is the schedule.
Jake Heaps is a piece of work in progress
Re: seattlecougAgreed. Eason, luv ya dawg, but you get beat too
much. I think Sampson as starting field corner and Hadley at starting boundary
corner would be the best combination possible. I think he can still contribute
in a rotation, but maybe he isn't the best choice for starting.
I like how Frank Layden played it when the Jazz faced the Lakers one year in the
playoffs. Layden simply said we're going to lose because we are not as good as
them. Refreshing. It is what it is.The Cougs just aren't BCS good
last year, this year, or frankly any year. Just as they have improved from a top
40ish recruiting to a top 30ish team, they have improved from a 30ish ranked
team to a 20ish ranked team.In essence, the Cougs generally
over-perform. But the benefits of clean-livin' brotherhood are, in American
football, generally overcome by NFL livin' college teams: roids, buying top
recruits, and obscene budgets. LaVell Edwards knew this long ago. He
said he saw no reason to get out of the WAC, and he was genius. Either we play modest schedulesresulting in 1-2 loses and an upper bowl (and
probably loss), or we gamble on tougher schedulesresulting in 4-5 loses and a
lower middle bowl (and probable victory).As for me, I think we are
getting to big for our britcheswhich have been getting kicked. It is what it is.
So. Cal Reader: But, look at the competition Heap's faced the last 4-5 games of
last year; not really very challenging. It's the same thing with the Cougars
running backs; lots of yardage against relatively weak teams but struggled
against the better ones. Same this year; lots of rushing yardage against UCF but
not much before that. Jake will have to improve A LOT in the next few games -
and he doesn't have the hardest schedule either. He's young which is in his
favor and UCF does have a good defense: if it wasn't for the KO return, would
BYU have won? He's got to show he can perform against the better opposition.
The wins will come but here's the negatives of independence. Unless you go
undefeated or maybe have one loss, there is nothing to play for. BYU should win
enough games to go to a second rate bowl. If BYU was in a conference, they
would have something to play for, the games with San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho
State, USU etc. might have more meaning. As for right now, they don't have much
meaning. Certainly there is more TV exposure from ESPN but unless BYU can
actually win some big games early in the season against its toughest opponents,
much interest for the program will fade.
The field corner is generally a much harder position because you have more
ground/space to cover.
Regardless of fact they are not performing well, offense is just plain old
boring. Zzzzz Philosophy seems to be "We'll run it over them because we
can't pass successfully two plays in a row. Too much pressure on Jake to do
that." Turns out they can't run over them either. Really unimaginative,
Doman has a lot to learn too. Between the two of them the short pass didn't
exist until this last game.
I understand the phrase "work in progress." Has Heaps shown any
actual progress this season?
Heaps has a QB rating of 99.8 (dead last in the state of Utah)! Definitely a
work in progress. Hoke from Weber State is #1 and Keeton from USU is 4th. GO WILDCATS! GO AGGIES!
A "work in progress" is putting it mildly. When his tremendous growth
over the later half of last season, his drastic regression should cause a lot of
concern. And just once, I'd like him to be in sync with Jacobson. Whether it's
the route run or wrong read by Heaps, this is the 2nd season Heaps can't hit
McKay. The offense should cause all of us concern. What happened to the
"opening up the offense" like that of old? Those are the words Doman
himself said. I'm very happy for the win, but you can't have your special teams
win too many games during a season.
Will someone please explain why we have our two best cornerbacks splitting time
at boundary corner? Corby Eason's play is clearly inferior to that of Sampson
and Hadley. Are the two corner positions - field and boundary that different
that we can't start both Hadley and Sampson?Thanks.