flintrock | 12:09 a.m. Sept. 23, 2011 Rigby, IdUtah is not as good
as we think and BYU is not as bad as we think. If the game has no turnovers it
would as close as kissing your girlfriend.-----------Nice try posing as a Ute fan. But we know you're not.In fact, are
you sure you're not Jake Heaps? Tell me how your flimsy argument has any
merit."If we didn't get so many turnovers...". Blah blah
blah. Get serious.The fact is, our defense DID cause most of those
turnovers. And that's part of the game. You and Heaps make it sound like
turnovers are purely an element of luck and nothing more.If BYU
wanted that "different outcome," then why did they allow all those
turnovers to occur?Anyone who knows anything recognizes that as
nothing more than an ignorant attempt at an excuse.It's like me
saying, "we would have won if we would've gotten into the end zone
more."The fact remains that BYU did make those turnovers, and
that's nobody's fault but their own. Deal with it.
@ alsoaduckTell that to Alabama...
The best part of this Utah team is how young they are...if you thought they were
good now, wait until next year, and the year after. Holy Smokes, the best is
yet to come. Go Utes!Just loved the smack-down last Saturday
against the cougars...talk about taking the wind out of the cougs sails...wow.
Also a Duck, is that you Duckhunter? We have been wondering where you have
been; too much crow? Also Duck, why would we take the ramblings of a jealous Y
fan as fact as to whether Utah is as fast as the Ducks or Cardinal? Fact is
Utah has played Oregon pretty close in the past. BYU on the other hand is slow
as slow gets as evidenced by all the Ute players running by the Y players
countless times last Saturday on yet another touchdown run. Ouch!Too
funny as well all the Y fans saying if BYU hadnt had all those turnovers the
game would have been different. Since Utah caused most of them its kind of like
saying if the other team hadnt scored so many touchdowns the game would have
been close; no wonder people think Y fans are delusional.
@alsoaduck: Utes do not have the speed or the athletes to play with the Ducks
or Stanford. You guys are just lucky that Texas and that bunch are not coming on
board. -----------You mean the same Texas team that beat
BYU by 1 point at home the week before Utah smashed BYU by 44 points @LES?Utah held its own @USC and Texas is as good as them. So I think we have
the athletes and speed to compete but I just think we don't have the depth as
those teams.BTW Utah lost at #11 Oregon by 7 points with our 2nd
string QB in 2009.
@flintrockAt half TOs were 3-2 Utah and the Utes up 14-10.Start of 2nd on the first drive your seondary gets beat by an injured QB on a
59 yard play: Utah 21-10 (5 plays, 75 yards)BYU then gets pinned at
their own 13 on the kickoff. BYU 3 and out, 3 plays for 3 yards. Utat's 2nd position of the 2nd half. Punt returned for 29 yards to BYU 40.
Utah settles for FG (4 plays, 19 yards): 24-10Notice that it's still
3-2 turnovers with Utah up 24-10. Then the flood gates open with the TOs.So please tell me how was BYU going to make up 2 TDs against when...A) They Utes crushed their running game: 11 yards on 22 carries for 0.5
per carryB) Heaps in his career still has not thrown for more than
ONE TD against a team with 4+ winsEven without TOs Utah was driving
against the Cougar defense, but you can't say the same for BYU's offense against
the Ute defense. Conclusion, if the game was played today Utah wins
by 10 points.
I happen to be a BYU fan but also have had Oregon Duck tickets for about 15
years. After watching both the BYU/Utah game and all of the Oregon games I have
to tell you guys that the Utes do not have the speed or the athletes to play
with the Ducks or Stanford. You guys are just lucky that Texas and that bunch
are not coming on board.
Dear flintrock:I love Eastern Idaho.Furthermore...If I had looks, talent and money, then Julia Roberts would be my girl
friend...54-10 does not leave too much room for "if"
As always Bill, your stories are always spot-on, well written, and much
appreciated. We're exicted about this ute team, especially the fact that
they keep improving game after game. Wynn takes a while to warm up, but he is
running Chow's offense pretty good. And nothing can get a Ute fan more excited
than just mentioning this defense. Could be one of the best and deepest we've
ever put on the field by the time this season is over. Expect more NFL draft
picks for Utah defenders. GO UTES!!
I love the BYU "turnover arguement". Really? The fact remains that
Wynn didn't bobble a ball in his own endzone and Utah kick returners didn't muff
any kickoffs. Now obviously BYU had many more opportunities to muff them due to
the fact that Utah kept running over their defense. The bottom line is that BYU
had seven turnovers and Utah didn't. Utah is a MUCH better team than BYU.
flintrock, have you ever played football before? I ask because I have and every
coach that I have had from little league through college has coached about the
importance of turnovers. The better coached team won that game. Obviously the
Cougars need to be coached on how to protect the ball. To your point of the
Utah offensive line opening holes after the game was over... Do you really think
the stud Cougar defense decided to throw in the towell and let John White run
all over them? I admit that they had to be discouraged from seeing the
scoreboard, but I believe that would have been motivation to stop the Utes. I
wish the best for the Cougars this year and I hope they have an opportunity to
jump to the Big12.
I don't think Utah has proved that much. I would be fine printing this article
if they win against Washington and ASU, but right now they haven't won a single
PAC 12 game. It's easy to get excited about the beat down last week, but
the team still has a lot to prove. They have the talent, and especially the
schedule to make it to the pac championship game. We can judge at the end of the
season if they have proved people wrong.
Love what the Utes have done, but I say the jury is still out. The D looks good,
but has given up a lot of yards. Forcing the turnovers is what has caused the
defense to be good. But opposing teams will learn quickly about Utah's
turnover-forcing defense and will take care of the ball more. Utah might not be
able to count on having 3 or 4 turnovers in a game. In other words, how well
will Utah's defense perform if the opposing team has no turnovers in a game? We
don't know yet, because that hasn't happened, and therefore the jury is still
out.Also, the Utes are an injury away from a big problem. If Jordan
Wynn gets injured, Utah has no passing game. If John White IV get injured, Utah
has no running game. These are concerns.Not trying to be
pessimistic, just bringing up concerns. Anyway, I am confident Whit
knows these issues and will address them as the season goes on! Go UTES!!!
flint & AZJazz,I guess Utah's defense didn't force any of those
turnovers. BYU just walked up to the line of scrimmage, hiked the ball and then
handed it to Utah 7 times. It's called denial and delusion. Just
admit you were beat by a better team
Things look like they're moving in the right direction. Wynn played better
against USC and BYU. One thing I want to see Wynn improve upon, however, is his
ability to throw a tighter ball, and stop leaving his receivers out to be
pummeled. DeVonte Christopher is lucky to be alive after some of the hits he
took against BYU, that were caused by Wynn's "hanging" throws. That's
the next aspect of Wynn's game that needs to return to form coming off of
surgery: velocity when throwing the ball.
maybe if we didn't have 4 or 5 turnovers last year against tcu the game would
have been closer. maybe if we put a little more pressure on andy dalton the
game would have been closer. maybe if we just "executed" our gameplan
the way the coaches drew it up the game might have been drastically
different.or maybe we just got blown out by a better team.
I have to laugh at anyone who says "if not for the turnovers, the game
would have been different". Congrats on that observation. The same idea
could be said of every single athletic ocmpetition that has ever been played in
the history of the world. "If only we had made more shots...."
"If only we had hit a cuople more home runs....." "If only I had
run a little faster....." blah, blah, blah.......Sour grapes. But, that's
par for the course when it comes to BYU. The other team is never better, its
just that BYU didn't play like they could have. What a bunch of poor sports.
@flintrockIf if's and but's were candy and nuts, we'd all have a
wonderful Christmas.The fact is: Your team (BYU) DID commit those
turnovers, they ARE part of the game, and turnovers ARE part of what makes a
team good or bad.
Utah is in a nice position and are looking pretty darn good. The future remains
to be seen. GOOOOO Utes!
Critics have not been answered until Utah wins some league games. Beating a
team that had seven turnovers (not all forced) is not much of an accomplishment.
Wynn still has a fragile arm and not much experience behind him at QB.
Utah is not as good as we think and BYU is not as bad as we think. If the game
has no turnovers it would as close as kissing your girlfriend. You look real
good when all the turnovers are going your way and really, really bad when they
aren't. Play the same two teams next week and you could have a different
winner.Wynn is still a big question mark?Offensive line only
opened the holes after the game was over and the BYU defense had given up. I'm
still concerned about the O line.If BYU hadn't given up so many
turnovers they would have had the time to exploit our safeties. Both Rowe and
McGill have made a lot of mistakes and are very green at their positions. Whit
wants speed but is giving up experience and a lot of mistakes to see if these
two have what it takes. They both tackle like girls. No wrap ups and a lot of
bounce offs.Linebackers get an A and so does the D Line. Very tough.
Very hard hitters.Special teams get an A except the field goal
kicker. He gets a C
The Utes have traditionally been a bit slow out of the gate, but they catch up
quite nicely. This is a solid team whose play is typical of Kyle Whittingham's
blue-collar work ethic and intelligent coaching. No quit in these guys. Go UTES!
I'd say the jury is still out on what we have learned about this Utah team.
Beating FCS teams tells us very little, other than the part about the difficulty
we had vs. them in the 2nd Half. And beating irrelevant mid-majored Indy-WACers
playing at a Sun Belt level by 44-pts doesn't say much either. We're going to
have to wait until we meet Washington to begin to realize this team's
@Lifelong, I would agree. Whittinham is one of the best in the nation at
This team has unlimited potential. If the cards align it could be an ending much
like 2004 and 2008. Defense is solid. White is a beast. And Wynn is doing just
fine overall. To the top!