Procuradorfiscal says: "How much more of Utah DO liberals expect to place
off-limits to Utahns?" Facts are so inconvenient, aren't they? First, national monuments (as well as national parks and wilderness
areas) are no more "off-limits" to Utahns than to citizens from any
other state; in fact, creating a national monument preserves the land FOR Utahns
and other citizens, and prevents the land from being placed
"off-limits" by your beloved private developers.Second,
the land that is now a national monument did not belong to any particular
citizens of Utah, nor even to the Utah state government; it was and is federal
land. It was not confiscated or condemned; there was no "land-grab."
As such, it belongs to all the people of the United States. Where do you get
the idea that because land is located in Utah, it belongs exclusively to Utahns?
Would you also conclude that Gettysburg belongs exclusively to Pennsylvanians?
Observing and gathering facts from world history indicates danger when a
government is in control of peoples land, money, education, etc. Why do we keep
making the same old mistakes?
Numbers are so easy to manipulate that it is scary. Let's start with the poll.
It was a small 400 person sample, taken outside the area most affected, with
questions that are part of what is called "push polling" or polling
with a preconceived finding in mind. It is a biased poll.The $50
Million did not go to education, it went into a trust fund where it earns
interest and only a part of that interest is paid to education. As
for the coal and mineral resources, they have not yet been realized and some may
never be realized. There was a lost opportunity cost by trading the lands on
the Kaparowits Plateau for other potential assests. They should have been
blocked up at the proposed Andalex coal mine site and the mine should have been
pursued. It would have provided a better economic return for local government
and education. Miners are paid a lot better than hospitality people. There are
also areas in the Escalante Canyons that have proven oil and gas reserves. I
love hiking the canyons, but facts are facts and the trade by SITLA cost
education dollars. Numbers can be looked at many ways.
DC- You mean the property taxes Utah waives for Corporations. Have you been to
staircase, I doubt it if you think it's real estate development property. There's plenty of room still around Kanab to grow and guess what last
time Kanab experienced growth John Wayne was in town.
HVHsold only once? maybe, but property taxes collected yearly adn the
property made productive in perpetuity.
Yes! Look at our national debt, poor education, and high unemployment. Is it
really wise to have our lands grabbed and controlled by the same liberals?
Re: "I would bet if there was an honest debate on this issue alone, the
people of Utah would support Crystal, not Herrod. The fact that Utahns vote for
Republicans is not because of this issue."I'd take that bet.
It's a sure thing. Yours is the classic liberal argument -- "if only there
were an HONEST debate, everyone would agree with me."Well,
now's the time. Be honest.What ARE liberal plans for a
liberal-elite petting zoo in the West?How much more of Utah DO
liberals expect to place off-limits to Utahns?How much more free
reign DO liberals intend to give SUWA/EPA/Sierra Club to destroy agriculture and
recreation in Utah?The fact that Utahns vote Republican is because
we Democrats have nothing to offer but excuses -- for more taxes, more
profligate government, more regulation, more unemployment, more radical
environmentalism, and more support of indecency and perversion.Unfortunately, honesty is about the last thing Utahns have come to expect from
I enjoy reading the postings with all the different labels being placed on
people. Radical environmentalists, anti-growth liberals, east bench cultural
elites (that's a new one). If I didn't know better I would think that world was
coming to an end.
"The monument has benefited local economies. Employment...grew 38
percent... Real per capita income grew by 30 percent."The
question is did this growth occur because of, or despite monument
designation?Many areas of the west where there are no national
monuments experienced similar levels of growth over the same time period. In Kane and Garfield counties, where the GSENM is located, most of the
employment growth was in non travel and tourism industries (53%), while
employment in tourism related industries (which you would expect to receive the
most benefits from the GSENM) grew only 7%.
And then we have Mr procuradorfiscal that commences to name calling without
facts. I think in the end we were better served by protecting natural beauty
than turning it over to oil companies and the like to purge our resources from
Mother Nature all the while feeding your misconception that society would see
some money. Of course some see the beauty of oil rigs and air pollution, I
"If the land is developed"???Where do you propose to get the
water and who do you believe will move to Southern Utah to live?
What you are talking about is a one-time payment. If the land is developed, it
is cash in the hands of the local county and school district every single year.
It is not a good deal for our kids, no matter how you spin it.
Thank you, Crystal, for being a clear voice of reason in an echo chamber of
@ procuradorfiscal, I would bet if there was an honest debate on this issue
alone, the people of Utah would support Crystal, not Herrod. The fact that
Utahns vote for Republicans is not because of this issue.
a) If only I lived on the East Bench. If only. b) If having a deep and
abiding passion for Bach, Stravinsky, Beethoven, and Mozart over Britney Spears
and Eminem makes me a cultural elitist instead of making me someone who seeks
the things that are "virtuous, lovely, or of good report or
praiseworthy" as my religion encourages, then I welcome the denotation of
being a cultural elitist. I just try to fill my life with enlightening,
spirit-filled entertainment!c) I am the former communications director of
the Young Dems of Utah.
lost in DC said: And despite some possible temporary benefits, You
mean like strip mining it for coal, or selling it as real estate once.
Crystal,how much of that job growth was from 1996-2001, and how much came
after?You could say job growth grew an infinite amount if you expand
your time from 1845 to 2008.And despite some possible temporary
benefits, you're saying you are OK with giving ANY pres dictatorial powers to
conduct future land grabs? If such powers are OK for land grabs, what other
purposes are they OK for? Where do you draw the line?
I think people are becoming wise to the shenanigans Grand Ol Party and their
corporate interests. Thank you for your letter.
Re: ". . . Utahns really don't want the vision of Herrod and his special
interest group masters.Hmmmmm.He, and people a lot like
him, seem to be elected and re-elected in Utah -- a lot more often than radical
greenies.Maybe that's a better indicator of what Utahns want than a
condescendingly elitist opinion piece by the communications coordinator of Utah
Young Democrats.Or even a reader comment in response.
The writer of this letter is correct. Herrod playing an old, tired political
game here in Utah that is driven by a small group of vocal land users that just
want to serve their own personal financial interests. Same old, same old. And
Utahns really don't want the vision of Herrod and his special interest group
Thanks for setting the record straight Crystal. The old argument that
maintaining strict environmental standards, researching and developing clean
sources of energy and a host of other issues lumped into the environmental
category, is naturally bad for business or bad for the economy is nonsense.
Your letter does an excellent job of illustrating that fact. The national parks
and monuments in Utah are part of what makes Utah uniqure; sets it apart from
most other states. It's part of what makes Utah special. Let's keep it that
Re: "And Utahns see through the divisive anti-environment
rhetoric."Yeah -- we sure do.We see that Grand
Staircase-Escalante is just another in a long series of assaults by radical
environmentalists and anti-growth liberals on Western states' independence and
way of life.It's only East-bench cultural elites, like the writer,
that laud the condescending actions of Left-coast and Back-east liberals and
greenies to turn the West into their own private petting zoo.Out-of-state liberals wanting to lock more and more land away from Americans
should direct their attention to Eastern or West-coast states, and leave us
alone to enjoy Utah as we always have.