"Everyone remembers Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young, Bosco, etc., "I wouldn't say everyone. I am less than 50 years old so I remember
McMahon and Young but only because they had noteworthy professional careers.
By the way i m lds 2 is a utah troll. Don't be fooled by his use of
"we" in his post. It is a common ute troll tactic.
IT'S ABOUT TIME BYU!!! Leaving Gary Sheide out the the BYU Hall of Fame has been
disgraceful to say the least, but not surprising. They, BYU tends to play games,
and likes to show it's power. Without Virgil Carter & Gary Sheide leading
the way I am not sure BYU would have become the Passing Offense or QB Factory
everyone became to know. I remember that first bowl game against Okla St and if
Sheide had not gotten hurt I believe BYU would have won that game. We had one of
our best defenses ever, but they were just worn down before losing to a good
Okla St team. Congratulations Gary
Thanks to SoCal Reader for the All American info.Doug needed to
mention that Gary is a budding broadcaster, he was co-broadcasting the BYU Utah
game for BYUtv. Not that many of us cougar fans will want to watch a rebroadcast
Good QB, not a great photo.
BYU's treatment and oversight of Sheide is shameful, and I also agree with
"skitter" about Virgil Carter. Come on BYU, get it going!
@I M LDS 2College football is all about history. BYU has a great
history. They were one of the original 'little guys' to make it big. Not sure
how old you are, but my guess is that you weren't around to watch some of the
BYU greats. It is odd that this took so long for BYU to recognize
their original great QB.
Loved that book by Benson, as well as the video about greatest moments in BYU
football history done in Detmer's time. Both mentioned Sheide. Great QB
congrats, not all of us forgot you!
Plain and simple, this took far to long to be done. Gary is a great guy, a
neighbor, and coached and taught several of my kids. He is humble and kind and
deserves this. He deserved it 20 years ago.
I was at BYU in 1974. I still have a button that says BYU WAC Champions...You
gotta believe! That's because most of us didn't believe it was possible that
BYU could ever win the WAC. Then along came Gary Sheide...with Coach Edwards
and his team of course....He really was the pioneer!
Max from Syracuse made me go look for the old article.I found it in the
Sept 1975 New Era.The article is called:Is It
Raining?The Conversion of a Quarterbackby Elaine McKay
re: I M LDS 2 "As fans and as a team, we are spending way too much time
living in the past." When you have any sort of Hall of Fame, that's kinda
what you do- recognize athletes/persons from the past. And revel in the
accomplishments of those so recognized.
Same as others have said, I know Sheide as a great, but don't know anything
about Carter. As for the Hall of fame enshrinement, this is probably so BYU can
get a few more people to come to the game...Seriously though, let me
write part of the introductory speech: We're here to honor one of the great
quarterbacks of BYU history. The man, perhaps without whom BYU would never have
reached the prominence it did during the Lavell Edwards era. The man who stood
as the foundation for other quarterbacks. [important part] Gary, on behalf of
BYU let me first apologize for not giving you this recognition earlier. We
really dropped the ball... I guess that makes another one. You should have been
recognized on multiple occasions and we will try to rectify that by getting that
painting redone, and doing whatever else we can to acknowledge that you should
have been honored right there along with the other greats.It doesn't
have to be word for word, but somewhere along those lines.Congrats Gary
Sheide - you deserve this.
As fans and as a team, we are spending way too much time living in the past.Congratulations to Shiede. He deserves this.Now what about
the future of Cougar football? We can't live in the glory days of the past
I agree it's about time, and I enjoyed a lot of this article. However, I didn't
like the embarassing part of Coach Edwards & the telephone call about
looking at the QB photo only then to realize Sheide was not included. LaVelle
Edwards is on holy ground in my book. But a big oversight in this article is
that as great as Sheide was, and the numbers speak volumes about his greatness,
he was not an All-American. Period. 1973- Danny White; 1974- Steve Bartkowski.
Virgil Carter (forgotten in this article), Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon, Young,
Bosco, Detmer & Sarkisian were all... All-American's. And it was the
"All-American" quarterbacks who were honored during the "Y
Quarterback Weekend", where they were also recognized and honored at the
start of the Y-Washington game last season. I'm guessing that's why Sheide may
not be included in the same company. He simply was not an All-American. With
that being said, obviously very, very deserving of his admittance into the BYU
Hall of Fame.
I am a died in the wool Utah fan and have been for many years. I recall when
Bill Meeks was the Utah coach and Utah was about to win the WAC title. The only
game left to assure the conference title was a SURE win over BYU; played at
Utah. I sat through a misserable snow storm and watched Gary Sheide pick Utah
apart with his passing. Utah was behind at half time but I was sure they would
come back in the second half and win the game. Not so. The second half was more
of the same. From my perspective, it was the beginning of the BYU dominance over
Utah which lasted painfully for many years. Congradulations Gary. The
recognition is well deserved and long over due.
About time. Sheide was as good as all the others and he started the dynasty.
By the way, Carter started for the Bears for several years prior to going to the
Bengals. In fact the original Football Follies film had a qb getting pantsed.
That was Carter. It was hilarious.
I'm glad he's finally receiving the recognition he earned. He was a welcome
change from my freshman year, 1969, when the defense outscored the offense for
the first half of the season.Too bad we don't have a quarterback of
his grit and maturity starting for us now.
Love it. I watched him play and he was a blast to watch!
Sheide was LaVell's first great quarterback. Virgil Carter and his success was
what inspired LaVell to go with a passing game.Carter was BYU's
first starter in the NFL -- for the Bengals.Neither Sheide nor
Carter were All-American quarterbacks.
@ Eliot "We will never see Heaps looking like that. His O-line is too good
for that." Bahahahahahahahahha are you serious? That is the
funniest think I have read today! You will never see it because Heaps will curl
up in the fetal position or run the other way to protect HIMSELF!! He won't
take a hit EVER! He won't even get dirty!Can't remember Shields,
but he was before my time :0) Good for him! Sounds like he deserves the
What, people the one we need to forget is here right now the over sold,
underachieved, over blown, prematurely anointed, completely hyped Heaps.Shiede actually did reach record levels and has mile stones for the BYU,
oh yeah Heaps will go down in the BYU history books as the QB 1 who lost by the
largest margin to the schools nemesis Utah. Nice, neat and complete Heaps.
We will never see Heaps looking like that. His O-line is too good for that.
Sheide was not only great but he was better than most of the other great
quarterbacks who played at BYU. Why BYU has snubbed him for so long is indeed a
mystery. He is AT LEAST as deserving as the others and more deserving than most.
(remember, he won the WAC back when Arizona State and Arizona were in the
conference) As an aside, I remember an article he wrote for the
Ensign (or perhaps the New Era) about his conversion to the LDS Church while he
was at BYU: "Is is really Raining" (or something like that). It was
very insightful and helpful. I have never forgotten it.
Think we will ever see a picture like the one in the article of Heaps after a
U was a student at Utah at the time. Sheide was the first cougie I developed a
spate (sports-hate) for, what with his sloped-shouldered resemblance to Joe
Willie and his picking apart my Utes. That alone should have qualified him.
IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!! I was at the game that honored the great BYU quarterbacks
and the first thing out of my mouth was "where is Sheide"? I watched
him play, worked with his brother Greg, and loved the pass offense they were
switching to. He really was a great player. IT IS ABOUT TIME!!!
Sheide was an awesome quarterback!
I remember Gary. I was in my senior year at the Y and he was phenomenal.It's great and it's about time!As for chubbuckidahocougfan,
it never ceases to amaze me how no matter the subject (Sheide in this case),
someone has to make a disparaging remark about someone or something else. Shame
on you.Is the glass always half empty, huh? chubbuckidahocougfan?
I'm not even a BYU fan and I often wondered why Sheide was never inducted into
your Hall of Fame. Afterall, Sheide was the one that started the great QB's of
BYU!Congrats Sheide, hope they knocked some dust off of you?!
Finally!!! What a class act and a great player who paved the way for the other
great BYU QB's. Congrats Gary!!!
Sheide and McMahon were the only two interesting quarterbacks that ever played
at the Y. This is long overdue.
What a great story.I wrote a letter to the editor once, asking why
Sheide was not mentioned among the greats as he should have been. I never
submitted the letter, because I didn't have time to check facts and make it
solid. I regret that...even though it wouldn't have changed anything, it would
have given a little bit more deserved press to Sheide.This story
seems to include an exercise in patience and humility. It hurts to think about
Gary Sheide not being included in the painting, and not being included in the
half-time celebration of BYU quarterbacks. What a remarkable football career
Sheide had.I did not start watching football until 1977 as a 12 year
old, with quarterbacks Gifford Neilson and Marc Wilson. I still learned plenty
about Sheide.Great article, Doug Robinson. And I am glad to learn
the first chapter in Benson's book about BYU Quarterbacks, was about Gary
Gary Sheide,YES, I not only saw him play, I saw him practise in sunshine,
rain and snow. As a member of the SPort Medicine team I saw him get treated...
must have taped his ankles a few times. It is a shame that BYU so often
shows it's unprofessional attitude by not realizing that the quarterback factory
started with GARY SHEIDE.Gary was one of the nicest guys in the team. A
real leader to the group.He threw like Joe Namath and his performance was
a joy to watch. GREAT that he is finally remembered for rightly he
deserves it.Greetings from this side of the globe. Jussi
Skitter:I thought exactly the same thing about Virgil Carter. I checked,
though, and found he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1977. But I agree,
he also is a forgotten BYU quarterback. You and I must be older than the rest
of the readers.
Watched him play. I, and people I know, have alwasy known he was one of the
greats. Thank you BYU for the belated aknowledgement!
These legendary QB's sure make Jake Heaps irrelevant. I'm still waiting for a QB
like TY Detmer who hung 70 points on the Utes 20 years ago. Those were the days.
I'm going to grab a glass of lemonade and go watch old Cougar Classics to dumb
the feeling of the debale I witnessed last Saturday.
Jay Miller caught 22 passes in one game against New Mexico -- Thrown by Gary
I was just a kid in Jr High at the time but I do remember him as the guy who
turned BYU football around. He deserves this. Way to go Bensen and DN for
I beg to differ a little on Sheide being the forgotten quarterback. I think the
most forgotten quarterback in BYU history is Virgil Carter. That guy was a stud
in college and he didn't play for Lavell's down field passing team. Bill Walsh
started the west coast offense at the Cincinatti Bengals with Virgil in mind as
the quarterback to lead it. Pretty impressive credentials. Carter led BYU to
its first ever conference title and broke 6 NCAA records doing it. Sadly many
people don't even know who he is cause he did not play in the Lavell era.
Its about time. He was the original great QB. I don't remember him, but I grew
up on stories of how BYU was winning the Fiesta Bowl over Ok. State, until he
was injured, then things turned. Congratulations to you and your family Mr.