UT4Big12 | 11:03 a.m. Sept. 21, 2011 HOUSTON, TXFor someone
that has supposedly lived in Big 12 country his entire life you are extremely
@UT4Big12So basically, Nebraska left because
of.........Texas..........and A&M left becuase
of............Texas...........and Colorado left because of.........a better
opportunity.Ill take being 2/3 right any day. Thats 2/3 more than a
lot of people around here have ever been!
@ Kosta FesenkoThat's interesting how you seem to think you know so
much about the Big 12 schools. Colorado leaving the conference had more to do
with their fan base. Colorado had always wanted to be in the Pac 8 Conference
(dating back to when Colorado was a member of the Big 8). Colorado considers
the Pac 10 a better fit culturally speaking. It, like many Pac 10 schools, is a
member of the AAU and California has a large population of Colorado alumni. Nebraska left because it was no longer the top dog in the conference.
That honor went to OU and Texas. To make things worse, Nebraska lost its annual
rivalry game with OU when the divisions were set up. Before Nebraska lost its
membership in the AAU, it considered itself more in line with the Big Ten (from
an academic perspective). Texas A&M leaving had to do with the
school having to play second fiddle to UT in the State of Texas. Plus, the top
administrators at A&M came from SEC country so they have strong ties with
Let's see here: Texas A&M gets tired of Texas and leaves. Nebraska and
Colorado did the same thing last year. Missouri is all but asking for
invitations from any other BCS league.All of the BYU fans who are
calling for the big invite, be very careful. take a look at those red flags.
No matter how good you are, you'll be taking orders from UT and OU, for the rest
of your sports life. And on really good years, you will be a distant third to
those two (outside of some flukes). Indy is a heck of a deal for you guys
(although ESPN is clearly experiencing buyer's remorse, have you seen the
numbers from saturday, ouch! people were changing the channel in droves!)
@ motorbikeI have lived in Big 12 country all my life and I know my
teams! OU and UT get the same in conference earnings, dude! Why would OU want
to give some of its money to the smaller schools just to have equal revenue
sharing? Are you kidding me? OU had no problem on revenue
distribution when the conference was formed in 1994. OU, Texas and Nebraska all
voted the same on that issue, dude!
@ Still Blue after all these yearsI agree with you totally. OU
wanted Dan Beebe for commissioner and Texas wanted someone else. Now OU wants
Dan Beebe gone. Texas will have no problem with this. Dan Beebe is gone!I agree that the conference will now have to consider imposing a huge
penalty for teams thinking about leaving. $20 million sounds about right. I too would love to see BYU join. Before all this chaos started, the
smaller schools in the Big 12 were guaranteed to receive at least $18 million+
annually from conference earnings (and that is just with the Fox deal). This
does not even include future negotiations with ESPN .
UT4Big12 | 10:03 a.m. Sept. 21, 2011 HOUSTON, TX "OU did
not have the same jealousy toward UT that A&M had."Dude,
really? Have you been paying attention to the news? Oklahoma's unrest is all
about equal revenue sharing and opportunity. And trust me, that has not yet been
solved. The Pac 12 Commissioner knows he's in a position of power right now and
sent a message to Texas with his clearly thought out message of the Pac 12 being
committed to equality. Trust me, his statement was because he know's its
not only important but it's also what others like Oklahoma want to hear. It
simply keeps the pressure on Texas to be re-thinking their position.I'm
not saying Texas and gang end up in the Pac 12 or that they stay in the Big
12...simply saying Oklahoma's not happy until Texas gets on equal footing with
everyone else...contrary to your belief.
Definitely a + for Utah I think. Mr. Scott however must be crying in his
cheerios. I think his ego is larger than his forehead. Thankfully, the
university presidents put him in his place by voting NO.
I believe UT has seen enough light that it can compromise on some of it's LHN
ideas (HS sports for one). And the Big 12 can obviously get rid of its
commissioner, which is an OU demand. But I think that BYU should want the Big
12 to establish a huge penalty (as the ACC has just done) of at least $20
million to leave the conference. That kind of committment will ensure
stability. Without that, I think this becomes an every year occurrance. I hope BYU can get into Big 12 as it gets them in BCS conference and if
the super-conference idea ever does get implemented, they are in the game. But
I would rather see the old regional rivalries maintained.
motorbike-Dan Beebe is gone as Big 12 commissioner-Texas will
agree to equal revenue sharing-Texas will keep the Longhorn Network with
restrictions-The Big 12 will be stabilized because Oklahoma and Texas will
both be happy-BYU will join a stabilized Big 12-Jealous, BYU-haters
will have to find something else to whine aboutMark it down!
@ TrueBlueThe Pac 12 came after Texas and not the other way around.
Texas never needed the Pac 12. No great teams there (other than USC (now
irrelevant) and Oregon). Look at the Pac 12's current record against
non-conference foes. And besides, no one in the Central Time Zone/Eastern Time
Zone cares about Pac 12 sports. And as for Texas A&M and
Oklahoma: Tx A&M has never been able to compete with UT. This is why it is
thought of as being Texas' little brother. Jealousy is what caused A&M to
want to go to the SEC. It is funny that OU did not have the same jealousy
toward UT that A&M had. OU's reason for saying it would leave had to do
with wanting to prove to its fan base that it could go anywhere without UT. OU
gets most of its players from the state of Texas. It would have been foolish to
break its connection with UT. Both schools (UT and OU) know they need each
other. Heck, even Texas A&M realized that the Tx/OU rivalry was more
important to UT than Tx/A&M.
Two things are certain:Big 12 needs to settle their differences;Ute partisans (small minority of them, too) will always spin everything
against BYU's interests. It would be nice if they focused on their "great
team" which had a brilliant showing last Saturday....and are to be
congratulated for a superb performance. Arrogance is easier to handle than
hatred and ignorance. So now they'll ratchet it up another notch----just wait
TrueBlue | 8:41 a.m. Sept. 21, 2011 Orem, UT"...agrees to
equal revenue sharing, figures out a fair way to let Texas keep its Longhorn
Network..."Those two things have little chance of coexisting.
And bottom line, this is the Pac 12 Commissioners way of letting Texas know that
he'll never settle for inequality in his league and to stay away until they're
ready to commit to that.So by your reasoning - BYU never joining the
Big 12 until Texas agrees to financial equality - BYU would never join...because
this is exactly why Texas is still there. It's also why A&M is leaving and
why Oklahoma is not happy...which is why the Big 12 will not be stable for a
long time to come unless they get the new Commissioner that Oklahoma is pushing
to have happen. But even then...we start the circus all over again because now
Texas isn't happy.If you hope for BYU to join a happy and solid Big
12 I'm afraid it's wishful thinking...that's something that is far far away.
Silent LurkerI see lots of jealous rants from our little brothers on
the hill. BYU won't accept an invitation from the Big 12 until it is stabilized
and after that happens, there's no chance that the Big 12 won't survive. The superconference pipedream is dead.
JJHS at 3:59AM;Oh no! BYU is "DOMMED"...that is terrible
that is awful....that is....wait...what does it mean? Since there is
no definition in the dictionary, I will create the definition.Dommed: To be elevated to a high position among ones peers. To inspire jealous rants from obsessive and insecure fans of nearby
educational institutions. Yes!! BYU is Dommed.
Great news for the Big 12. I was hoping that UT would not give in to Pac 12's
demands. Pac 12 wanted UT to give up the Longhorn Network and it wanted access
to Texas TV market (25 million viewers), but yet it wanted UT to give up its
network? I don't think so! Why should UT give up its $300 million deal with
ESPN? The Pac 12 was definitely not Longhorn Network friendly.The
Pac 12 stood to gain more by adding UT than UT would gain from joining the Pac
12. Great job TEXAS for not giving in! Now the Big 12 can move on. OU finally
realized that they would not get an invite to the Pac 12 unless Texas came
along. From what I've read, OU does not want to go to SEC because of
academics.I (like most Texas fans) now hope that the conference will
send an invitation to BYU. BYU would be a great addition. I was at the
Texas/BYU game and I was really impressed with your fan turnout and with how
well your team played. BYU, this may be your last chance for joining a
There are some here who still have the arrogance to believe that BYU is waiting
for things to stabilize in the Big 12 before it accepts an invitation. This is
total nonsense. BYU would jump at the chance to become a member seeing how well
independence is going. On another note if super conferences do
become a reality BYU still may not make the cut. Think about this: if the Big 12
ceases to exist not every school within that conference will be in a super
conference. BYU could very well again find itself on the outside looking in. ie.
KSU, Baylor, ISU and Kansas,
As soon as the Big 12 works out its issues -- fires Beebe, agrees to equal
revenue sharing, figures out a fair way to let Texas keep its Longhorn Network,
and gains a binding commitment from Oklahoma and Texas to remain in the Big 12
for at least the next 5 years -- then BYU will accept an invitation to join the
ESPN is already reporting that BYU will be the first team invited to fill the
void created by Texas A&M's departure and to help stabilize the Big 12:"The Big 12 athletic directors were seeking a 10th team before
Oklahoma started this latest chaos by saying it would like to explore its
options. The ADs called Arkansas (no), BYU (maybe) and never got to the Big East
options of Pittsburgh (now off to the ACC), Louisville (available) and West
Virginia (available). BYU is an independent in football and its other sports are
now in the West Coast Conference after playing in the Mountain West previously.
If the Big 12 stays with its original targets, then BYU would be first up
followed by Louisville and/or West Virginia. But those three schools, let alone
one of them, would have to be assured that the Big 12 will stick together.
There's always a chance the Big 12 could go for all three to get back to
This is good news for BYU. They should get an invitation to a suddenly more
stable Big 12 and they should take it. The biggest reason they should accept is
that you have so much more to play for in a conference. Even after a loss. If BYU was in the Big 12 this year, they would still have the
possibility of winning their division(north) and getting a one game play off for
a birth in the Fiesta Bowl. Much better in my view than only needing to get to
6 wins for a birth in the Armed Forces Bowl. That's not to mention the increase
in revenue they'll get in the Big 12. It's just a no-brainer.
I honestly think that super conferences will eventually happen but for right now
lets just focus on the Utes first year in the PAC. If byu gets the invite to Big
East 12 or whatever they are going to call it good for them.
This all boils down to (mainly) money, and on a secondary concern - recruiting.
The PAC-12 already has their TV contract. In the short and mid-terms, the
individual schools will lose money for the Big-12 teams to join.
The conference gets no more money for teams to join, and the current cash flow
would be spread out to more teams. For teams outside of CA, recruiting in the
So. Cal. area would take a hit. Most of the presidents don't care
about the conference. They want to know how it will impact their paycheck and
employer (their school). The Big-12 schools don't provide anything of value
during the presidents' tenures.
This is all smoke and mirrors, folks, wake up.First of all, this is
neither good nor bad for BYU, no one wants you.Second, the SEC said
"no expansion" and then a week later said they would take A&M.
The ACC and the SEC are expanding. The Big 12 and the Big East are in talks to
merge. The Pac 10 said no expansion when Colorado and Utah were being rumored,
then it happened. This is all big money behind the scenes.The Super
conferences will happen, there is too much greed involved not to. No one in a
super conference will ever play a a mid major such as BYU. BYU will be dommed
to playing CUSA, WAC and MWC teams.
I think it's not really a surprise that Texas isn't coming to the Pac 12 because
there's no chance that the California schools would vote to allow Texas a bigger
piece of the pie or any special treatment that they're not getting, and it
seemed unlikely that Texas would give up anything to come to the Pac 12
(remember, this is Texas - they're worse than Notre Dame for feeling entitled -
Texans still think they're a republic instead of a state and they pledge
allegiance to the Texas flag and their flag code requires that the Texas flag be
flown at the same height as the US flag if they're on separate poles). The fact
that Oklahoma also isn't coming probably means they've worked out some
concessions from Texas (along the lines of "all pigs are equal, but some
pigs are more equal than others") that will keep the Big 12 together for
now. I think this is good news for both Utah and BYU.
This is great news for BYU. I was almost certain that the temptation to create
four 16-team super-conferences with the negotiating leverage and massive revenue
increases this would bring the participating schools could not be resisted.
But, at least for now, loftier considerations appear to have won out for
administrators in the PAC-12 and Big-12. They should be commended. The ACC may
yet poach one or two more Big East schools and the Big East likely was hoping
that the Big-12 would fall apart which would provide additional merger material
but it sounds like all the current conferences will survive. Expect
BYU to get a quick offer from the Big-12 to replace Texas A&M. We should
accept this offer in an attosecond. This experiment in independence has already
demonstrated that we will have trouble scheduling quality opponents throughout
the season and limits our post-season possibilities. BTW, is anyone
else still having 54-10 nightmares every night? What a horrible experience! --
seeing so many smiling faces in cars I passed as I drove back to SLC from Provo